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Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Janosky: 10:51am On May 12, 2025
QuinQ:
Another one is that he is exactly like Moses. I don't know who comes up with this stuff for them
Acts 3:19-23.
As God revealed Matthew 16:13-17 to Peter, God also revealed Acts 3:19-23 to the apostle.
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Brenbentondiaz: 10:58am On May 12, 2025
Ruke1991:
You need to read to understand rather than reading to argue. In the Godhead, unity is the key. The father doesn't dishonor jesus like you are doing despite being the head of the Union. Jesus doesn't dishonor the father. Neither does the holy spirit contravene the purpose of mission of Christ. These three have one mind, one purpose and pursue one cause. None abuses the office or privileges. You are only thinking the way you do because you are a man bound to abuse any privileges or office or power at your disposal no matter how little. That's why you cannot comprehend the concept of the father honouring Christ and Christ honouring the father and both working as one
A husband not dishonouring his wife doesn't mean he is not the head in that marriage. If your boss respects you, it means both of you are equal, right? The amount of mental gymnastics you trinitarian carry out to justify you funny unbiblical doctrines can be hilarious at times (most times, by the way).
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Janosky: 10:58am On May 12, 2025
QuinQ:
OK, and you say he's exactly like Moses. Is Moses also Archangel Michael?
And how about John the Baptist? Remember he also came from heaven
Moses and John the Baptist, each of them is an angel too.
If you care to study the meaning of Aggelos,go ahead..

Ignorance is not an excuse anymore.

grin grin
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Janosky: 11:07am On May 12, 2025
gohf:
the devil went to the woman and asked is there any tree God said you should not eat from. There are questions that are demonic because they avoid God's revealed truth.

So because I and my wife are one, it means my wife is me. So because Christ and the disciples and church are one, it means we are Christs. So because we abide in him and he is us, it means we are Jesus?


What should I say to one who if you had ears you would hear what the Holy Spirit is saying
Very relevant questions.
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Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Emusan(m): 11:19am On May 12, 2025
Janosky:
Is God a Spirit?
Yes.

Are angels Spirits having a Father?
Yes.

Is Jesus a spirit having a Father?
Yes.
This is not about NATURE.

You haven't said anything about NATURE here.

Definitely,all of them have God's nature.
No! The Angels only SHARE IN GOD'S NATURE not HAVING GOD'S NATURE. The moment a being HAVING GOD'S NATURE means that being is FULLY GOD.

Man was created in the image and likeness of God.
But not HAVING GOD'S NATURE.

Therefore, Man too has God's nature but man is mortal infested with sin.
But God our Father is not mortal.
So you know this as still used the word "HAS" cheesy grin cheesy grin

Definitely, man doesn't have GOD'S NATURE.
But man only share in God's NATURE.

Emusan use your brain.
I do use it

Do you also use yours?

What you can't refute so far is that The Nature of God absolutely BELONGS TO GOD.

Any being who HAS GOD'S NATURE IS FULLY GOD.

Just refute this first cheesy grin wink cheesy
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Emusan(m): 11:22am On May 12, 2025
Janosky:
Acts 3:19-23, because Jesus Christ would perform the function similar to Moses.

Did God save disobedient Israelites who refused to listen to Moses?
No.


Acts 3:19-23, Will God save disobedient people who refused to listen to Jesus ?
No.
So Jesus whom Jehovah Himself created and used to create ALL OTHER THINGS including Moses himself is also like Moses grin cheesy grin cheesy

Always try to pick your brain from your hall before coming out.
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Emusan(m): 11:23am On May 12, 2025
Janosky:
Oga, why do you pretend you don't understand the screenshot?
Read this screenshot for the next 24 hours until it sticks firmly......
grin grin grin
Your screenshot only explained the meaning of divine.

My question is very simple.

Is the Father divine or not?
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:48am On May 12, 2025
delkuf:
max be humble
If i'm not humble i wouldn't have left my former religion so it's you and your friends that are not humble because what i'm saying is simple not a dogma! smiley
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:49am On May 12, 2025
QuinQ:
No one ever addressed Jesus as servant.
Except the apostle Jesus called "the rock" Act 3:22 smiley
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:51am On May 12, 2025
Emusan:
I've addressed your question.
You're the one who is turning a blind eyes to my questions.
Is Jesus Micheal a teaching or preaching?
Is Jesus God a preaching or teaching?
YES or NO. smiley
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Emusan(m): 12:05pm On May 12, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
YES or NO. smiley
Meaninghuh
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:36pm On May 12, 2025
Emusan:
Meaninghuh
Did Jesus lied when he said John is Elijah?

YES or NO? smiley
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by QuinQ:
MaxInDHouse:
Except the apostle Jesus called "the rock" Act 3:22 smiley
English don hard our boy o.
Addressing somebody is not same as talking about the person.
Peter addressed Jesus as "Son of the living God"
If he were addressing Moses he'd have said "You are servant of the living God"
Besides, this was something as remembered by someone, then passed along person to person until it reached the person decades later who finally wrote it down, then it was severally translated and modified. Error could have crept in at any moment. That's why you can't cherrypick the Bible. It has to be taken as a whole

Janosky:
Yes.
@ Acts 3:13 the Greek word for SERVANT is the same word for SON /Child @ Acts 4:27 @Acts 3:26 @ Acts 4:30.
Jesus Christ is always SON/Servant.
Janosky:
@ Acts 3:13 the Greek word for SERVANT is the same word for SON /Child @ Acts 4:27 @Acts 3:26 @ Acts 4:30.
Jesus Christ is always SON/Servant.

Oga, pls let the holy scriptures amend your viewpoint.
Shalom.
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Janosky:
Oga, why nau?
Pls use the screenshot evidence of the holy Scriptures (Acts 3:13. Acts 3:26. Acts 4:27 . Acts 4:30) to amend your viewpoints.
Jesus Christ admitted himself is a Servant, Matthew 12:15-18, he quoted from the prophet Isaiah.
Janosky:
A divine being is a god or godlike.
That is the actual meaning.
Jesus is a god !
Screenshot evidence.

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Janosky:
Every being sent from heaven to minister on earth is an angel.

The screenshot evidence says it all.
Janosky:
John 14:24 is Jesus expression explaining for your bolded comment.

He is NOT saying "he's same as God. "
Funny thing is, you write all this yet you accept that Jesus is THE Son of God and was with God b4 creation, YET you still try to equate Him with Moses and others!
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:45pm On May 12, 2025
QuinQ:
Addressing somebody is not same as talking about the person.
Well we are TALKING about Jesus here not ADDRESSING him nah! smiley
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by QuinQ: 1:49pm On May 12, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Well we are TALKING about Jesus here not ADDRESSING him nah! smiley
I said nobody ever ADDRESSED Jesus as a servant. Peter addressed him as THE Son.
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Emusan(m): 1:55pm On May 12, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Did Jesus lied when he said John is Elijah?

YES or NO? smiley
I've answered your question.

Answer mine.

Is Jesus Micheal a teaching or preaching?
Is Jesus God a preaching or teaching?
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by delkuf(m): 2:14pm On May 12, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Did Jesus lied when he said John is Elijah?

YES or NO? smiley
Jesus never said John is Elijah....
Make una not dey twist Bible
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:30pm On May 12, 2025
QuinQ:
I said nobody ever ADDRESSED Jesus as a servant. Peter addressed him as THE Son.
Peter told his listeners while preaching that Jesus is a SERVANT of God! Act 3:13
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by MaxInDHouse(m):
Emusan:
I've answered your question.
Answer mine.
Is Jesus Micheal a teaching or preaching?
Is Jesus God a preaching or teaching?
What is your answer, YES or NO? smiley
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:34pm On May 12, 2025
delkuf:
Jesus never said John is Elijah....
Make una not dey twist Bible
"And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come." ‭Matthew 11:14 NIV‬

Who said the above?
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Emusan(m): 4:13pm On May 12, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
What is your answer, YES ot NO? smiley
So you're blind when I provided answer.

Now, go back to my first post you'll find the answer there.

Now, answer my questions.
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:15pm On May 12, 2025
Emusan:
So you're blind when I provided answer.
Now, go back to my first post you'll find the answer there. Now, answer my questions.
Guy when you are ready you will come out openly just a YES or NO is all i need then i will respond to whatever you want to know but until then abeg keep whatever you think you know! wink
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:22pm On May 12, 2025
Banned for aggressively using vulgar speeches.

True believers speak to others with mild temper and deep respect! 1Peter 3:15
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:33pm On May 12, 2025
Since Jesus never said "i am God" then whatever doctrine claiming so should be kept within it's adherents so that people can see the FRUIT of such a teaching and thereby decide on it's practical benefit.

Jesus said: By their FRUITS you will know them {Matthew 7:16} so such teachings that's under scrutiny should be kept among it's adherents until it's fruitage is noticed by all! smiley
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Emusan(m): 5:03pm On May 12, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Guy when you are ready you will come out openly just a YES or NO is all i need then i will respond to whatever you want to know but until then abeg keep whatever you think you know! wink
Answer my questions first. It's just Yes or No!

If you keep whatever you know with yourself you won't be on this thread till page 9. So, listen to your own advice first.
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Emusan(m): 5:09pm On May 12, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Banned for aggressively using vulgar speeches.

True believers speak to others with mild temper and deep respect! 1Peter 3:15
See this hypocrite!

I've never used word like Craz.y, Asínwín.w e.t.c on this forum but such words are your favorite which you'll even justify the reason why you have the right to use them and you'll get angry when it's being used for you.

The screenshot is what I posted and kindly point out the vulgar speech there and you can even see the antibot ban only lasted for just for few minutes.

Hypocrite!

Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by QuinQ: 5:25pm On May 12, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Peter told his listeners while preaching that Jesus is a SERVANT of God! Act 3:13
English don hard our boy o.
Addressing somebody is not same as talking about the person.
Peter addressed Jesus as "Son of the living God"
If he were addressing Moses he'd have said "You are servant of the living God"

Here's how you ADDRESS somebody:
Mathew 16:16
Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, THE Son of the living God.”
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by QuinQ: 5:36pm On May 12, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
What is your answer, YES or NO? smiley
I'll answer for him with a question:
Did JohnTB lie when he said he was not Elijah? wink
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:11pm On May 12, 2025
Emusan:
Answer my questions first. It's just Yes or No!

If you keep whatever you know with yourself you won't be on this thread till page 9. So, listen to your own advice first.
So you're not ready better i ignore you! wink
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:19pm On May 12, 2025
QuinQ:
English don hard our boy o.
Addressing somebody is not same as talking about the person.
Peter addressed Jesus as "Son of the living God"
If he were addressing Moses he'd have said "You are servant of the living God"

Here's how you ADDRESS somebody:
Mathew 16:16
Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, THE Son of the living God.”
If you want to learn it's not difficult.

Addressing someone differ from talking about the person the OP asked about Jesus so like Peter i answered him that Jesus is a SERVANT of God.

For instance an ancient Israelite will tell a stranger that David is a servant of God but if he wants to address David he will call David "Lord" Why? Because among God's people David is serving as king representing God.

So the OP asked and i gave him the best answer but if he wants to join God's people then is the time to tell him how we address Jesus among us that he is our Master, Lord and King yet he is not our God because he himself is one of the SERVANTS of our God just like David his (human) ancestor! Isaiah 9:6-7 wink
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Ruke1991: 7:19pm On May 12, 2025
Brenbentondiaz:
A husband not dishonouring his wife doesn't mean he is not the head in that marriage. If your boss respects you, it means both of you are equal, right? The amount of mental gymnastics you trinitarian carry out to justify you funny unbiblical doctrines can be hilarious at times (most times, by the way).
You are thinking of equality in terms of flexing muscle Ie show of force. The doctrine of Trinity thinks of equality in terms of the state of existence.

You exist as human, your son exists as human. That means two of you are equal in the sense of being human. Regardless of whether you are the senior or father. That's it

The father exists in the God state. Jesus exists in the form of God as well (Phil 2:6). That's what the equality is about

Rat exists in the form of animal. Lion exists in the form of animal too. No matter the difference in terms of lion muscles, animal na still animal. So both are of equal in state of existence which is animal state

Animals, humans, angels God are different forms I. Which life exists.

Jesus possess divinity, the father possesses divinity. Bible says all knees must bow to jesus in the book of Philippines I quoted earlier. Bowing is worship. And only a God can be worshipped. If Jehovah witness like make dem no bow.
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