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chieveboy:
And this is why I asked when it was mentioned on this thread that the term existed in the bible. I see how you perceive the "Bible" and you presented it like some authority on reality. Why don't we study it to become doctors, biologists, physicists, astrologists, Pilots etc? after all, Aren't those disciplines a study of reality?

Hmmm, now i know what your problem.

All those fields you mentioned are for different purposes and surely they are important but none of them can make people from different geographical locations on planet earth form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers just as God promised in the Bible! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

The purpose of Bible is to help mankind cohabit peacefully throughout the globe!

chieveboy:
➜I am not sure of you watched the video. I still am not sure if you understood if you did.
This is is pure history if I should summarize

Abegi! Why not watch it and break down the parts you think make sense to you so we can address them to see how it is not of Scripture but of his private Christian delusion. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

First things first, the whole idea of Rapture comes entirely from the doctrines of the religion of Christianity... it is not in fact biblical. Second, what the man mostly describes is the Coming of the Kingdom of God, which took place right before the destruction of Jerusalem, the exiling of more than 1/3rd of the population of Judah who survived the decimation and desolation of their land back in the 1st century AD. That is what is referenced in much of Revelation. That is no Rapture but rather the events that were part of the coming of the Kingdom of God.

chieveboy:
➜Here is an archeological find that goes along with what this young man is saying

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7504300786537565445/

Nonsense!

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmm, now i know what your problem.

Kindly Solve it then by providing answers to my questions by not deflating them. We are talking of reality and how you present the bible as if it was meant and intended to he a complete work on reality.

I then asked if the Bible is a complete work on reality as you would have us believe, why don't we use it to become doctors, philosophers, etc considering all those are studying reality from their own methods.

All those fields you mentioned are for different purposes and surely they are important but none of them can make people from different geographical locations on planet earth form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers just as God promised in the Bible! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

The internet can do this better pooling people of different languages together via tools like Zoom and AI providing real-time translations and information, leading to instant understanding, edification and perspectives in the face of conflicting and divergent view points which notoriously is the cause of divisions and conflict of interests. This is how peace and unity can be achieved. Mere mortals have studied and understood this

The Bible cannot do and never achieve this in that it holds unbending views that are not compatible with other people's cultures, doctrines and most importantly realities. E.G Jesus being God while they know different.

The purpose of Bible is to help mankind cohabit peacefully throughout the globe!

If you understand why conflict occurs as I tried to explain to you, you will of your own accord suggest a different approach to peace, and have whomever gave you the idea of this tool you're touting go check their 'wisdom quotient'.

Kobojunkie:
Abegi! Why not watch it and break down the parts you think make sense to you so we can address them to see how it is not of Scripture but of his private Christian delusion. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

That would be doing too much for the lazy...

First things first, the whole idea of Rapture comes entirely from the doctrines of the religion of Christianity... it is not in fact biblical. Second, what the man mostly describes is the Coming of the Kingdom of God, which took place right before the destruction of Jerusalem, the exiling of more than 1/3rd of the population of Judah who survived the decimation and desolation of their land back in the 1st century AD. That is what is referenced in much of Revelation. That is no Rapture but rather the events that were part of the coming of the Kingdom of God.

What event then passes as the Rapture to you?

chieveboy:
Kindly Solve it then by providing answers to my questions by not deflating them. We are talking of reality and how you present the bible as if it was meant and intended to he a complete work on reality. I then asked if the Bible is a complete work on reality as you would have us believe, why don't we use it to become doctors, philosophers, etc considering all those are studying reality from their own methods. The internet can do this better pooling people of different languages together via tools like Zoom and AI providing real-time translations and information, leading to instant understanding, edification and perspectives in the face of conflicting and divergent view points which notoriously is the cause of divisions and conflict of interests. This is how peace and unity can be achieved. Mere mortals have studied and understood this. The Bible cannot do and never achieve this in that it holds unbending views that are not compatible with other people's cultures, doctrines and most importantly realities. E.G Jesus being God while they know different. If you understand why conflict occurs as I tried to explain to you, you will of your own accord suggest a different approach to peace, and have whomever gave you the idea of this tool you're touting go check their 'wisdom quotient'.

Please present any group or organization that has used what you are suggesting to gather people from different countries throughout the world and unite them so that they won't lift up weapons against themselves yet members of such an organization or group emerged from countries around the world.

That's what the Bible God promised! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

In fact the Bible God promised they will speak in harmony as if they are speaking the same language! Zephaniah 3:9

Dtruthspeaker:
You want people to talk of something which they know that if Just Is is done, they would not be qualified?

Also "not being qualified" is a corner the deceiver have pushed a lot of people so as to generate fear.

Advanced information tells you that the ultimate God cannot regret making man and cannot be angry.

The earth is designed to experience calamities and troubles like the apocalypse, but remains the best school for Souls to learn the qualities of divine love and move in to his rightfully place as a manifested Son of God.

So even if the earth is turned upside down, it will always house Souls who dare to incarnate on earth.
Eternity means perpetuity.

MaxInDHouse:
Please present any group or organization that has used what you are suggesting to gather people from different countries throughout the world and unite them so that they won't lift up weapons against themselves yet members of such an organization or group emerged from countries around the world.

Its one thing to have a tool, its another to use...

That's what the Bible God promised! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

In fact the Bible God promised they will speak in harmony as if they are speaking the same language! Zephaniah 3:9

This sounds cool. But put it behind your mind that someone who could make such bold claims would not use conflicting methods and ideas to bring about this.

They would most likely use tools which everyone understands, something like Google Translate...

Hold on, aren't we being "speak(ing) in harmony as if we are speaking the same language! Zephaniah 3:9" when we use Google Translate and similar tools?

Its one thing for a prophecy to be made, its another for the people concerned to catch it's fulfilment because it obviously is easy miss. This is what this thread is about.

chieveboy:
Its one thing to have a tool, its another to use...



This sounds cool. But put it behind your mind that someone who could make such bold claims would not use conflicting methods and ideas to bring about this.

They would most likely use tools which everyone understands, something like Google Translate...

Hold on, aren't we being "speak(ing) in harmony as if we are speaking the same language! Zephaniah 3:9" when we use Google Translate and similar tools?

Its one thing for a prophecy to be made, its another for the people concerned to catch it's fulfilment because it obviously is easy miss. This is what this thread is about.

He is talking about Jehovah's witnesses....they are peace loving and best performing group/cult.

chieveboy:
Its one thing to have a tool, its another to use...
This sounds cool. But put it behind your mind that someone who could make such bold claims would not use conflicting methods and ideas to bring about this. They would most likely use tools which everyone understands, something like Google Translate...
Hold on, aren't we being "speak(ing) in harmony as if we are speaking the same language! Zephaniah 3:9" when we use Google Translate and similar tools?
Its one thing for a prophecy to be made, its another for the people concerned to catch it's fulfilment because it obviously is easy miss. This is what this thread is about.

This is why i asked you initially if you are a Bible believer because the tool (Bible) has achieved this globally and as for the language my guy this is spiritual not just physical language.

Let me enlighten you:

The importance of language is not just to speak what the other person could interpret rather to speak in harmony and cohabit peacefully.

So the world can't get any tool no matter the technology only God's word (Bible) can achieve that and it's undergoing fulfillment today!

MrPresident1:
There is a movie 'A tribe called Judah' putting it right in our faces that Nigeria is where Judah is - the people.

See what is written:

Zephaniah 3:10
From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering.

From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia, the LORD'S people will come

🤕and so Nigeria is conclusively Judah? 🤦🏾‍♂️What kind of deductive reasoning did you employ that warranted such a distorted conclusion? 🤧
God have mercy, nothing wey Adamu no go see for gate🤔!

chieveboy:
Also "not being qualified" is a corner the deceiver have pushed a lot of people so as to generate fear.

Advanced information tells you that the ultimate God cannot regret making man and cannot be angry.

The earth is designed to experience calamities and troubles like the apocalypse, but remains the best school for Souls to learn the qualities of divine love and move in to his rightfully place as a manifested Son of God.

So even if the earth is turned upside down, it will always house Souls who dare to incarnate on earth.
Eternity means perpetuity.

🤔By what standard did you use to determine that this "ultimate god" of yours cannot get angry? 🤨

Just another baseless claim from someone trying to project his own mental description of God! 🤔

chieveboy:
And this is why I asked when it was mentioned on this thread that the term existed in the bible.

I see how you perceive the "Bible" and you presented it like some authority on reality.

Why don't we study it to become doctors, biologists, physicists, astrologists, Pilots etc? after all, Aren't those disciplines a study of reality?

As far as Permanence trumps temporariness then Biblical reality trumps all these! The bible clearly buttresses that all these disciplines, although offshoots of knowledge, dwarfs in comparison to the real spiritual reality that stems from God! The one missing from mankind.

So yes, it's an authority as it serves as an ethical book of principles coupled with the fact that it addresses men on how to be one with God😁!

chieveboy:
➜That would be doing too much for the lazy... What event then passes as the Rapture to you?

I stated that rapture is an imaginary idea — wholly created for those in the religious circle by their many gods of men. So, why ask me this?

Kobojunkie:
I stated that rapture is an imaginary idea — wholly created for those in the religious circle by their many gods of men. So, why ask me this?

Kobojunkie are you religious?

Truthseeker10:
➜ are you religious?

I think I was clear that if we are to base it on the Oxford definition, then pretty much every human being on the planet is at one time or another religious, and we can close that case out. Why are you dragging this out for longer than it should be?

chieveboy:
Thessalonians 4:17 (Tongue-in-cheek)

Will all those who have faith in Christ be raptured to heaven?

Kobojunkie:
I think I was clear that if we are to base it on the Oxford definition, then pretty much every human being on the planet is at one time or another religious, and we can close that case out. Why are you dragging this out for longer than it should be?

😂😂😂kobo has finally agreed that he is religious. Wonderful.

So what's your religion?

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂kobo has finally agree that he is religious. Wonderful. So what's your religion?

Knowledge and understanding! That is what I devote myself to.

Kobojunkie:
Knowledge and understanding! That is what I devote myself to.

Knowledge and understanding of what sir?
Do you mean you don't believe in the existence of a superhuman power?

Truthseeker10:
Knowledge and understanding of what sir?
Do you mean you don't believe in the existence of a superhuman power?

Everything! My devotion to knowledge and understanding means a belief in anything else does not matter.

Kobojunkie:
Everything! My devotion to knowledge and understanding means a belief in anything else does not matter.

😂😂😂you mean you don't believe that the God of the bible exists?

Truthseeker10:
Will all those who have faith in Christ be raptured to heaven?

If you create a system where all man must reap from what they sow down to even if the breath in something, they must breathe out something else in return, will you throw everything up and decide to burn those who had been good all the while and reward an evil doer who at the last time accept someone as his lord and Savior?

Will you build a whole planet within a an unspeakable galaxy of galaxies then put just a single race of beings in it and make accepting anyone as your savior a yardstick for grooming your children not minding their character?

chieveboy:
If you create a system where all man must reap from what they sow down to even if the breath in something, they must breathe out something else in return, will you throw everything up and decide to burn those who had been good all the while and reward an evil doer who at the last time accept someone as his lord and Savior?

Will you build a whole planet within a an unspeakable galaxy of galaxies then put just a single race of beings in it and make accepting anyone as your savior a yardstick for grooming your children not minding their character?

So explain 1 Thessalonians 4:16. You quoted verse 17 earlier.

MaxInDHouse:
This is why i asked you initially if you are a Bible believer because the tool (Bible) has achieved this globally and as for the language my guy this is spiritual not just physical language.

In which land?

Statistics shows that (relatively) atheist or non-religious populations (countries) are more peaceful and harmonious than the religious ones. More so, religion and their books are single-handedly behind most atrocities on earth.

Let me enlighten you:

The importance of language is not just to speak what the other person could interpret rather to speak in harmony and cohabit peacefully.

So the world can't get any tool no matter the technology only God's word (Bible) can achieve that and it's undergoing fulfillment today!

Before the Bible came and after it did, there had been conflict. I am not even sure how you reasoned yourself into thinking peace exists in and would be ushered via a random book which basically is a compilation of personal letters, biography and history where the original characters never intended it to be used as it is being done, neither they being aware their letters would one day be referred to as a Bible and held in the regard that you folks do.

You sound like God asked that a book called "Bible" be written and should become "his word".

Truthseeker10:
So explain 1 Thessalonians 4:16. You quoted verse 17 earlier.

That is not what it means to "quote". He requested information and I shared with him.

Even if I quote it, what point does it make? I could quote it to highlight opinions which differ from it.

Kobojunkie:
I stated that rapture is an imaginary idea — wholly created for those in the religious circle by their many gods of men. So, why ask me this?

Here we have a You who obviously is oblivious of the scientific and mystical import of 'imagination' and its place in the scheme of what reality is to the human sensoria.


Just to point out: you did not state Rapture was imaginary other than now. Props to you though, we do not have audio-visual evidence yet on the event much as we do not in several other realities and "imaginaries" like how the universe came to be.

chieveboy:
That is not what it means to "quote". He requested information and I shared with him.

Even if I quote it, what point does it make? I could quote it to highlight opinions which differ from it.

You don't believe in the information of 1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17?

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂you mean you don't believe that the God of the bible exists?

From what I have learnt, I am of the mind that the God of Israel exists as God of the Israelites— the blood descendants of the man called Jacob. What does this information help you with in regard to this particular topic we are on?

Kobojunkie:
From what I have learnt, I am of the mind that the God of Israel exists as God of the Israelites— the blood descendants of the man called Jacob. What does this information help you with in regard to this particular topic we are on?

Is the God of the isrealites your creator?

chieveboy:
➜Here we have a You who obviously is oblivious of the scientific and mystical import of 'imagination' and its place in the scheme of what reality is to the human sensoria.
➜Just to point out: you did not state Rapture was imaginary other than now. Props to you though,
➜we do not have audio-visual evidence yet on the event much as we do not in several other realities and "imaginaries" like how the universe came to be.

1. Imagination has yet to make Santa Claus and the North Pole manifest, is what I know for sure.

2. When I said, "The whole idea of Rapture comes entirely from the doctrines of the religion of Christianity." What did you think that meant?

3. Nonsense!

Truthseeker10:
➜Is the God of the isrealites your creator?

According to the Israelites, He is. So, what does that have to do with this Rapture talk?