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Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Truthseeker10: 5:05pm On May 18, 2025
QuinQ:
Respectfully, this conversation is above your pay grade. Bye-bye
😂😂😂😂😂baba come back here oo...no run....give us specific bible verses of Jesus's statement that were easy to remember.
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:11pm On May 18, 2025
QuinQ:
You were asked to mention one and you're rambling.

*Why did he change his name to Jesus?

*What's wrong with Michael?

*And how come he never indicated he was anything Michael but instead agreed with Peter He was THE Son of the living God?
*Michael is an angel so now that he's an human he can't bear the same name and the meaning of Jesus is Jehovah is Salvation.

*Michael is not fitting because now he is the Christ who will replace Adam as our father. Adam is the father who transfered sin and death to all humans but we now have another father who will transfer live to everlasting life to all those who accepts him as teacher.

*He told his disciples that they can't bear all the information but holy Spirit will TEACH them the rest they need to know. John 16:12-13
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by QuinQ: 5:23pm On May 18, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
*Michael is an angel so now that he's an human he can't bear the same name and the meaning of Jesus is Jehovah is Salvation.

*Michael is not fitting because now he is the Christ who will replace Adam as our father. Adam is the father who transfered sin and death to all humans but we now have another father who will transfer live to everlasting life to all those who accepts him as teacher.

*He told his disciples that they can't bear all the information but holy Spirit will TEACH them the rest they need to know. John 16:12-13
* What's wrong with Michael?
* This your obsession with Adam. Next now will be Moses. Christ wilfully did not sinless. Adam didn't know the difference between sin and not-sin
*He told His disciples He was the son of God and that JohnTB was Elijah. They could handle that but not Michael?
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Truthseeker10: 5:26pm On May 18, 2025
QuinQ:
* What's wrong with Michael?
* This your obsession with Adam. Next now will be Moses. Christ wilfully did not sinless. Adam didn't know the difference between sin and not-sin
*He told His disciples He was the son of God and that JohnTB was Elijah. They could handle that but not Michael?
You mean that Adam did not know that eating from the tree was a sin?
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:30pm On May 18, 2025
QuinQ:
* What's wrong with Michael?
* This your obsession with Adam. Next now will be Moses. Christ wilfully did not sinless. Adam didn't know the difference between sin and not-sin
*He told His disciples He was the son of God and that JohnTB was Elijah. They could handle that but not Michael?
*Name as a spirit being.

*Adam was born (created) sinless that's what makes him greater than all humans. The sin Adam committed got all his descendants into sin {Romans 5:12} so only a perfect and sinless soul like Adam can redeem mankind from what Adam brought upon mankind that's why said John the sandals of this person he is unfit to untie. Only Adam and Jesus were perfect humans.

*A perfect Son of God just like Adam! Luke 3:38
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by QuinQ: 6:32pm On May 18, 2025
Truthseeker10:
You mean that Adam did not know that eating from the tree was a sin?
He didn't have notion of sin. He was incapable of it. All he knew was that God told him not to eat it and if he ate it he'd die. I doubt he fully comprehended what "die" implied
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Truthseeker10: 6:42pm On May 18, 2025
QuinQ:
He didn't have notion of sin. He was incapable of it. All he knew was that God told him not to eat it and if he ate it he'd die. I doubt he fully comprehended what "die" implied
So Adam did not know that eating from the tree was a sin or was bad?
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by QuinQ: 6:42pm On May 18, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
*Name as a spirit being.

*Adam was born (created) sinless that's what makes him greater than all humans. The sin Adam committed got all his descendants into sin {Romans 5:12} so only a perfect and sinless soul like Adam can redeem mankind from what Adam brought upon mankind that's why said John the sandals of this person he is unfit to untie. Only Adam and Jesus were perfect humans.

*A perfect Son of God just like Adam! Luke 3:38
*People are named Michael today
*There is a huge difference between knowing the difference between good and bad and CHOOSING to do good, and not knowing the difference at all to start with
*My friend, Angel Michael was not Jesus. Stop disgracing yourself and making me little angry. Michael was a servant, a messenger. That's all. Hence the Devil told Jesus His Father would send His angels (Michael) to make sure His toe did not strike upon a rock (if He threw Himself down)
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Truthseeker10: 6:46pm On May 18, 2025
QuinQ:
*People are named Michael today
*There is a huge difference between knowing the difference between good and bad and CHOOSING to do good, and not knowing the difference at all to start with
*My friend, Angel Michael was not Jesus. Stop disgracing yourself and making me little angry. Michael was a servant, a messenger. That's all. Hence the Devil told Jesus His Father would send His angels (Michael) to make sure His toe did not strike upon a rock (if He threw Himself down)
In what verse did Michael appear to be the one to save Jesus?
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by QuinQ: 7:14pm On May 18, 2025
Truthseeker10:
So Adam did not know that eating from the tree was a sin or was bad?
Another dumb question. It says it right there in your Bible that until he ate the fruit, he didn't know the difference between good and evil - didn't even know he was naked, just like a lower animal
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by QuinQ: 7:19pm On May 18, 2025
Truthseeker10:
In what verse did Michael appear to be the one to save Jesus?
I told you to leave this discussion alone as it is above you.
Mathew 4:
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Truthseeker10: 7:54pm On May 18, 2025
QuinQ:
I told you to leave this discussion alone as it is above you.
Mathew 4:
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
So where is Michael mentioned?
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Truthseeker10: 7:56pm On May 18, 2025
QuinQ:
Another dumb question. It says it right there in your Bible that until he ate the fruit, he didn't know the difference between good and evil - didn't even know he was naked, just like a lower animal
😂😂😂so your God was telling someone with an animal brain to obey him?
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:08pm On May 18, 2025
QuinQ:
My friend, Angel Michael was not Jesus.
Ọmọ Jesus is the same Archangel Michael who was transformed into an embryo in the womb of Mary so if you disagree it's OK but that's the truth! smiley
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Janosky: 8:18pm On May 18, 2025
QuinQ:
*People are named Michael today
*There is a huge difference between knowing the difference between good and bad and CHOOSING to do good, and not knowing the difference at all to start with
*My friend, Angel Michael was not Jesus. Stop disgracing yourself and making me little angry. Michael was a servant, a messenger. That's all. . Hence the Devil told Jesus His Father would send His angels (Michael). to make sure His toe did not strike upon a rock (if He threw Himself down)

At no time did any Trinitarian mouth your claim.
QuinQ is even claiming that Michael is many angels.

Before king James Bible was printed,As far back as before 1599, your fellow Trinitarians have been teaching that Archangel Michael is Jesus Christ.
Read Daniel 10:13 & 12:1 in the Geneva Bible & confirm.
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Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by QuinQ: 8:34pm On May 18, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ Jesus is the same Archangel Michael who was transformed into an embryo in the womb of Mary so if you disagree it's OK but that's the truth! smiley
So when Jesus asked His disciples who He was, why didn't Peter who answered correctly say Angel Michael?

Truthseeker10:
So God cannot be known?

Is you saying that Jesus is God an effort to describe God?
It is beyond human capacity to grasp the full nature of God

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂so your God was telling someone with an animal brain to obey him?
Who said animal BRAIN?? He was like an innocent child

Truthseeker10:
So where is Michael mentioned?
You are master of dumb questions
"His angels" include Michael

Janosky:


Leave your theories in the dustbin.

Jesus Christ used earthly concepts to describe spiritual things.

grin grin grin.
And that's exactly why you CAN'T understand Him. He said he and the Father are one, yet to you they are two not one

Janosky:

Oga, look for another excuse.

Don't come Nairaland to dey deceive yourself.

Simple Bible truth dem go reject am & dem go dey mouth baseless man made theories.
Screenshot evidence of their delusion.

Chai !

grin grin grin
So you don't believe there are other dimensions. So where is the spiritual world and how come you can't see or feel it?
Can someone living in a two dimensional world describe dimensional world?
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Truthseeker10: 8:35pm On May 18, 2025
QuinQ:
Sp when Jesus asked His disciples who He was, why didn't Peter who answered correctly say Angel Michael?



Itbis beyond human capacity to grasp the full nature of God



Who said animals BRAIN?? He was like an innocent child



You are master of dumb questions
"His angels" include Michael





So you don't believe there are other dimensions. So where is the spiritually world and how come ulyou can't see or feel it?
You mean Michael and all the angels in heaven?😂😂😂

These were your words about Adam below in bold.

he didn't know the difference between good and evil - didn't even know he was naked, just like a lower animal
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:41pm On May 18, 2025
QuinQ:
So when Jesus asked His disciples who He was, why didn't Peter who answered correctly say Angel Michael?
Archangel and only begotten Son of God means the same thing.

So Peter is right! smiley
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by QuinQ: 8:44pm On May 18, 2025
Janosky:

At no time did any Trinitarian mouth your claim. is even claiming that Michael is many angels.

Before king James Bible was printed,As far back as before 1599, your fellow Trinitarians have been teaching that Archangel Michael is Jesus Christ.
Read Daniel 10:13 & 12:1 in the Geneva Bible & confirm.
grin grin
Who told you I'm a "Trinitarian"?
You should have asked them why Peter did not answer that Jesus was angel Michael
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Janosky: 8:44pm On May 18, 2025
Ruke1991:
If he is not God, can you explain Phil 2:6?

Lot of verses given to you guys already. If you are not brainwashed try to reason it with your own brain - stop viewing bible only through your elders eyes - use your own
Phillipians 2:6 Bill mounce Greek interlinear is very different from ANY Trinitarian rendition you think of.

Screenshot evidence:
"Christ did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped."

Paul the apostle @Phil 2:6 supports 1 Corinthians 11:3 & Jesus teaching of John 14:28 which is in conflicting against Trinitarian rendition of Phil 2:6.
Oga, you are doing the same thing you make accusations against.
cheesy

Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by QuinQ: 8:48pm On May 18, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Archangel and only begotten Son of God means the same thing.

So Peter is right! smiley
So God had seven ONLY begotten sons

Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by QuinQ: 8:51pm On May 18, 2025
Truthseeker10:
You mean Michael and all the angels in heaven?😂😂😂

These were your words about Adam below in bold.

he didn't know the difference between good and evil - didn't even know he was naked, just like a lower animal
Just like amimals don't know they are naked - doesn't mean he had animal BRAIN!!
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Janosky: 8:53pm On May 18, 2025
QuinQ:
Who told you I'm a "Trinitarian"?
You should have asked them why Peter did not answer that Jesus was angel Michael
Job 1:6 , Job 2:1, angel meaning son of God.

Jesus Christ is an angel,son of God.
@ John 5:28, Jesus Christ is doing the work of archangel Michael @Daniel 12:2.
He quoted John 5:28 from Daniel 12:2.

@ Genesis 3:15
We read of the Serpent as well as the Seed who defeated the serpent.
John the apostle revealed their identity @ Revelation 12:7-9 & 1st John 3:8.

IYKYK
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Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by QuinQ: 8:57pm On May 18, 2025
Janosky:
Job 1:6 , Job 2:1, angel meaning son of God.

Jesus Christ is an angel.
@ John 5:28, Jesus Christ is doing the work of archangel Michael @Daniel 12:2.
He quoted John 5:28 from Daniel 12:2.

@ Genesis 3:15
We read of the Serpent as well as the Seed who defeated the serpent.
John the apostle revealed their identity @ Revelation 12:7-9 & 1st John 3:8.

IYKYK
grin grin
Ok, so there are seven ONLY begotten son of God since there are 7 archangels
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:57pm On May 18, 2025
QuinQ:
So God had seven ONLY begotten sons.
Apart from Michael please quote a verse where another is called Archangel? smiley
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Janosky: 9:00pm On May 18, 2025
QuinQ:
Ok, so there are seven ONLY begotten son of God since there are 7 archangels
Archangel is singular ,ONLY one not multiple.
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Janosky: 9:05pm On May 18, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Apart from Michael please quote a verse where another is called Archangel? smiley
ONLY archangel Michael is stated in the holy Bible.
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:07pm On May 18, 2025
Janosky:
ONLY archangel Michael is stated in the holy Bible.
Wait nah, why are you in a hurry?

Our teacher may surprise you o! undecided
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by QuinQ: 9:14pm On May 18, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Apart from Michael please quote a verse where another is called Archangel? smiley
Do you think "archangel" is Hebrew or Greek?
You obviously don't know the meaning of "archangel" which is a compound word
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by QuinQ: 9:15pm On May 18, 2025
Janosky:
Archangel is singular ,ONLY one not multiple.
Define archangel and show source of your definition.
And also tell us why Peter didn't yell "archangel!"
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:24pm On May 18, 2025
QuinQ:
Do you think "archangel" is Hebrew or Greek? You obviously don't know the meaning of "archangel" which is a compound word
Angels are God's spirit sons He calls them "Morning Stars" {Job 38:7} only one is called "Archangel" {Jude 9} and only one angel is called "Bright Morning Star" Revelations 22:16

So if only one angel is called Archangel and head of all loyal heavenly armies {Revelations 12:7} just as Jesus also has his angels {Matthew 25:31} and Jesus is called the "Bright Morning Star" {Revelations 22:16} while all other angels are called "Morning Stars" surely it's this same person that is the only Archangel among others! Daniel 12:1

Your grievances can't change anything so it's either you agree or disagree! wink
Re: If Jesus Is God, Why Did He Say 'pray Our Father'? by Janosky: 10:12pm On May 18, 2025
QuinQ:
Define archangel and show source of your definition.
And also tell us why Peter didn't yell "archangel!"
Oga, did Peter the apostle ever make reference to archangel in any of the verses of the holy Bible?

I won't make conjectures about Peter's mind.
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QuinQ:
Do you think "archangel" is Hebrew or Greek?
You obviously don't know the meaning of "archangel" which is a compound word
Greek lexicon 743
arxággelos (from 758 /árxōn, "of the first order, chief" and 32 /ággelos, "angel"wink – an archangel; an angel of the highest rank (see Dan 10:13, 12:1; see also Lk 1:19; Rev 8:2, 12:7); "a ruler of angels, a superior angel, an archangel" (Souter).

Screenshot evidence with Bible references:
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