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Dtruthspeaker:
See, how you prove you are Liar and a person who loves Lies and Deceits

Every reasonable person can see that my point was to see whether you could tell us the Truth and give us conclusive proof of persons everyone whom we all know that they had Truly died eg Napoleon, Hitler, Hammurabi, Mohammed.

I will now add Abacha, Adisa, Atagha, Junior Pope etc (at least we now have cameras today) whether you have seen any of them living on the earth after they died.

So it is fraudulent of you to change the question into whether I asked if your grandfather existed, because you already know that you are speaking lies on this reincarnation sheet

Dtruthspeaker:
The mere fact that no one has seen nor identified Napoleon, Hitler, Hammurabi, Mohammed etc since they died proves all these you say are just your wishes.

I have included your original assertion. If you view my view point on incarnation as lies, perhaps you will do better by pointing us to the person Jesus said will not taste death till he returns.


You will also tell us how we will identify John whom the Bible tells us will return to earth in the last days.

chieveboy:
I have included your original assertion. If you view my view point on incarnation as lies, perhaps you will do better by pointing us to the person Jesus said will not taste death till he returns.

You will also tell us how we will identify John whom the Bible tells us will return to earth in the last days.

All these are Off Points and Departure from Posts.

Shall not taste death is not reincarnation and shall return which has not yet happened is not reincarnation

MaxInDHouse:
This is why i asked you from the onset:

Do you believe the Bible?

According to that book faith in God is not a possession of any nation or tribe {2Thessalonians 3:2} this means there is never going to be a nation where all the people there will agree together on faith but individuals from different nations will come out {Isaiah 2:2; Micah 4:1} and join the global family of faith irrespective of their backgrounds they will break free from sentiment and nationalism {John 8:32} to form a global family of peace! Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3

I think this makes groups like the Bhudists, Sikhs, Eckankar, The Red Cross, Search for Common Ground and other NGOs.

Can you mention a case where members of Jehovah's Witnesses join in any conflict?

The groups above and hundreds others do not join in conflicts.

Humans will always have a reason to get annoyed or offended but what i'm telling you is that when a person is offended JWs will use what Jesus taught us to calm the person instead of taking sides, that's where all others failed woefully because they will take sides in support of their own.

I am aware the existence of events like Disfellowshipping, Shunning, etc. We had cases of sexual abuse and others. There more controversial ones I do not wish to parse. Does this sound like peace to you within the close-knit circle which in your books is how your kind of peace could thrive?

How is taking medication related to picking up weapons in support of war?

May be you need to get what peace is. I see that you believe it is only when weapons are taken that you have what qualifies as a conflict. Enlighten yourself.

JW is a global family of peace where the members have emerged from countries around the world and there has never been a case where JWs lose our sanity to support any race or tribe in conflicts.

Bhudists, Eckists, Sikhs, out of many are a global groups who go straight to the foundation of how peace can be achieved which teaching you that it can only be found within and it manifests without. They teach practices like Dharma (rightful living) . They encourage what they call Bhakti ( Selfless Love). There had never been when they supported race or tribe in conflicts.

All those people you mentioned will still pick up weapons against people in other lands so their so called "peace" is useless if it only works within a location! John 4:23-24

I think whatever makes those groups who are for peace pick up weapons would make JWs too, until then, they are all for peace and they are doing remarkable well with proven results unlike JWs who so far only have medicine to cure hunch back for now.

Dtruthspeaker:
All these are Off Points and Departure from Posts.

Shall not taste death is not reincarnation and shall return which has not yet happened is not reincarnation

No, we're talking of identification for now. How we will identify Napoleon when he returns and so on. Failure to do so means the point is a "lie" according to you.


Remember if it goes for the goose, it goes for the gander.

Since we failed to identify Mohammed, Napoleon, Abacha etc, we are liars and we agree. Now help us identify those two folks please so that we do not conclude the bible is a book of lies.

chieveboy:
No, we're talking of identification for now. How we will identify Napoleon when he returns and so on. Failure to do so means the point is a "lie" according to you.

You are just changing post up and down.

The fact remains that you have still not given us anyone who died recently in camera as you said who recently died and you saw living again on the earth.

Dtruthspeaker:
You are just changing post up and down.

The fact remains that you have still not given us anyone who died recently in camera as you said who recently died and you saw living again on the earth.

Yea, and I am a liar for saying such. But when I discovered I was a liar, I remembered the Bible said someone will not die till Jesus returns. It also said John will come back to Earth. I now asked that since Jesus had not returned yet where is the person?

Is the Bible too a liar like me?

chieveboy:
I think this makes groups like the Bhudists, Sikhs, Eckankar, The Red Cross, Search for Common Ground and other NGOs. The groups above and hundreds others do not join in conflicts.

So can you find members of these groups everywhere you go and how are they extending the message of peace to others?
Note that JWs began preaching to their neighbors in the year 1919 and today we have JWs in all the countries around the world!

chieveboy:
I am aware the existence of events like Disfellowshipping, Shunning, etc. We had cases of sexual abuse and others. There more controversial ones I do not wish to parse. Does this sound like peace to you within the close-knit circle which in your books is how your kind of peace could thrive?

Disciplinary actions against individuals who turned against what we all agreed upon doesn't demean our peace since it's only the individual even his family members won't support him against the organization so our peace remains among all obedient members!

chieveboy:
May be you need to get what peace is. I see that you believe it is only when weapons are taken that you have what qualifies as a conflict. Enlighten yourself.

No matter what you think say or do it's when weapons are carried that your spirituality becomes useless. So people can be offended and it will be resolved but when it turns to carrying weapons then there is no sense in that again!

chieveboy:
Bhudists, Eckists, Sikhs, out of many are a global groups who go straight to the foundation of how peace can be achieved which teaching you that it can only be found within and it manifests without. They teach practices like Dharma (rightful living) . They encourage what they call Bhakti ( Selfless Love). There had never been when they supported race or tribe in conflicts.

How are they extending the message to others the same way JWs are going from countries to countries, town to town, house to house and door to door?
That's what makes a JW feel at home in any country he gets to as JWs are one family throughout the world.

chieveboy:
I think whatever makes those groups who are for peace pick up weapons would make JWs too, until then, they are all for peace and they are doing remarkable well with proven results unlike JWs who so far only have medicine to cure hunch back for now.

Let them come to my area and prove their worth nah. If truly they have what it takes to pass the message of peace to others!

The truths leave you gobsmacked and shellshocked

Gabrielshow24:
🤣🤣🤣I have always known you to make logical leaps that astonish the mind! Such Leaps are as clueless as the mind that brought about them😅! Even monkeys can't make such leaps🤔, you are really one of a kind😁!

chieveboy:
Yea, and I am a liar for saying such. But when I discovered I was a liar, I remembered the Bible said someone will not die till Jesus returns. It also said John will come back to Earth. I now asked that since Jesus had not returned yet where is the person?

Is the Bible too a liar like me?

See how you prove that you are true son of Satan?

Now because it is clear that you are a Liar now you have stretched forth your evil hands to dirtify the bible and drag it down along with you.

And because you are so full of Satan and evil you never knew what Christians knew.

Thus just like Satan you shall be in ever lasting Fire for your sins shall never ever be forgiven from the day of your birth to forever not-ending.

Dtruthspeaker:
See how you prove that you are true son of Satan?

Now because it is clear that you are a Liar now you have stretched forth your evil hands to dirtify the bible and drag it down along with you.

And because you are so full of Satan and evil you never knew what Christians knew.

Thus just like Satan you shall be in ever lasting Fire for your sins shall never ever be forgiven from the day of your birth to forever not-ending.

Son of Jehovah, answer the question.

chieveboy:
Son of Jehovah, answer the question.

Since ye know that I am a son of God then ye know that I would never tell you the answer for righteousness have no fellowship with the children of Satan

Dtruthspeaker:
Since ye know that I am a son of God

Satan himself is a son of God. On this light, you are indeed a son of the almighty God, but then a child of light?...

then ye know that I would never tell you the answer for righteousness have no fellowship with the children of Satan

Actually, you are caught red-handed. Giving an answer to that will incriminate the Bible as a book of lies going by your line of reasoning since it too cannot identify that person who is living since 2k years ago. This makes both of us liars.

Thanks for the answer .

Dtruthspeaker:
You want people to talk of something which they know that if Just Is is done, they would not be qualified?

I am just seeing this question clearly. This question of yours clearly points to the fact if the truth would portend danger, it is not wanted in Christianity even if Biblical.

It shows that it is better for your lot to continue on misinformation and falsehood if peradventure investigation into the Bible shows that indeed Rapture had taken place.

You colleague-in-line-of-reasoning on the other hand believes that despite the fact that the word "Rapture" is referring to the event in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, as far as the word "Rapture" is not the one used, Aluta Continua. What wisdom