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Ruke1991:
you are confused. The dream of Daniel is explained by an angel. The beasts before the throne of God in the book of revelation were not interpreted by any angel.
So why do your elders add their own traditions to the bible? Your elders want to automatically use the animal in the book of Daniel which means nations to interpret the meaning of animals in every other bible verse. You see why your governing council gets it all wrong. So goat in your own dreams now mean Grecian empire and in every bible verse goat continues to be an empire. You should use your own reasoning and you will be able to see why JW governing council are in error

Oga, is Revelation chapter 1:1 in your Bible?

Did you or your pastors gave John the interpretation of the Bible book of Revelation?

Oga,Why are you deceiving yourself on this forum?

JJesus said many words that never made it into the Bible. Even people who take direct dictations make mistakes. Jesus's words were remembered misremembered, told and retold, until someone finally wrote them down. Then there were translations and modifications.
You can't know better than those who were right there by disecting the few modified words that finally came down to you!

Janosky:

The holy scriptures THINK for genuine believers .
John 12:49-50, did Jesus Christ think for himself?
Therefore,Daniel 12:1-2 =John 5:28-29, Jesus Christ is doing the work of archangel Michael because he is.


. Daniel 12:2 & John 5:28-29 spoken by Jesus,is the greatest evidence that Jesus Christ is archangel Michael.
Your Trinitarian mentors believed it too.

Oga, do you have evidence that Daniel 12:2 & John 5:28-29 is missing in your Bible?

YES, no governing body told Jesus what to say or think!
The Holy scriptures say disparate things. It is left for you to digest all and use YOUR OWN God-given thinking faculty to synthesise it and come up with a reasonable answer. Example, if you read Moses started life by KILLING a man in cold blood then some elder tells you that Jesus was like Moses Or you know Jesus said that JohnTB was Elijah but he and His disciples never at anytime even almost indicate anything about He being an angel of any sort, that's where YOUR own thinking comes in!

Janosky:
Oga,Go and study your Bible & stop deceiving yourself.
Was every revelation in your Bible given to Peter?
NO.
Which apostle of Christ outlived his peers?
John the apostle outlived other apostles.

John the apostle @ Revelation 12:7-9 revealed the identity of the serpent of Genesis 3:15 as well as the identity of the Seed who defeated the serpent of Genesis 3:15

@ Daniel 12:1-2, Did Daniel the prophet know that archangel Michael will raise the dead?
Yes.

John 5:28-29 Jesus revealed he is doing the work of archangel Michael to raise the dead, 1 Thessalonians 4:16.

So after exhaustively studying your Bible and you put it aside and contemplate what you've read and the activities of the various actors, you'd come to the conclusion that Angel Michael created everything, and that once you've seen Angel Michael you've seen God, and he's not an angel at all but the ONLY begotten Son of God. Okay o

Janosky:
Person wey no know the difference between nature and status in his Bible,nah wetin him wan teach others?

My brother the funny thing about them is how they look down on the BODY that Jesus promised his future disciples still they feel like teaching others whereas each of them don't want to learn.

QuinQ:
You keep reposting these same words when you know the internet is full of negatives about JW. Don't anger someone into dumping a ton of those here. See just a few below. I told you to THINK for yourself just this once. If you did you'd KNOW Christ can be neither Moses nor Angel Michael

What you failed woefully to do is present a better performing group than the one you are condemning it makes no sense when you condemn something but can't present another whereas millions are becoming better equipped with the Bible daily through this organization.

MaxInDHouse:
You never give any definite answer so the question is not for you from the onset!

See pot calling kettle black. You are the one with the reputation of never giving definite answers. Also, all can see that I have provided succinct definition of the words "beginning" and "end".

FYI, I do not need the addition of prepositional phrases before giving the definition of a word👀!

Gabrielshow24:
See pot calling kettle black. You are the one with the reputation of never giving definite answers. Also, all can see that I have provided succinct definition of the words "beginning" and "end".

FYI, I do not need the addition of prepositional phrases before giving the definition of a word👀!

Good!

Now go and teach your Bible students out there what you know sir i'm doing the same in my neighborhood.

MaxInDHouse:
Good!

Now go and teach your Bible students out there what you know sir i'm doing the same in my neighborhood.

😂😂😂Just skewing the lives of the gullible 👀!

Gabrielshow24:
😂😂😂Just skewing the lives of the gullible 👀!

OK o!

Janosky:

** 1
John 12:49-50 , will Jesus speak, teach you what his Father did not command?
Jesus won't even try it.

**2
@ Revelation 19:10 & Matthew 4:10, did Jesus teach your Trinitarian rendition of Hebrew 1:6?
NO.

The Catholic Church who brought Trinity into the world disagree with your claim.

God said :"Let All the angels Pay homage to Jesus".
Hebrew 1:6, Catholic Church New Jerusalem Bible.
The original meaning of proskuneo is exemplified by the screenshots.
Kneeling, paying homage or prostrate before a Senior man or monarch.

Godhead is NOT in any Greek manuscript of the Bible.
Trinitarians invented it.

John 20:28 Thomas called Jesus his God. Did you see Jesus rebuke him? no. Because Jesus is God

Heb 1:6 angels are commanded by the father to worship.jesus. So jesus is God - he is not angel Michael. No angel is worthy of worship. The verse you quoted ( Rev 19:10 ) validates my point.

Revelation 19:10 - that is an angel that tells John to bow or worship only God. Angels can never be worshipped. Read the whole chapter and see that the person talking is an angel not Jesus.

The book of revelation commenced with a vision of Jesus and it was clearly stated that John bowed to him in worship (rev 1 :17,18) in the first vision and wasn't rebuked or asked to refrain. Later on angels appeared at different stages beginning from chapter 4 and the book of revelation did not call them Jesus or describe them in any way like Jesus. it simply calls them angels. Only JW blasphemers try to equate jesus to angels

An angel rejecting to be worshipped validates my words that Jesus is God therefore he can be worshipped and he did accept worship in the scripture. The angels appeared numerous times to John in the book of revelation, but in chapter 1 where the series of vision started, the first person that appeared to John identified himself as jesus - who was dead and is alive and lives for ever. This Jesus here accepted the worship from john and never rebuked him like angels did in rev 19 and rev 22 - because he is God.

Rev 1:17,18 - John bowed to Jesus here. Jesus did not rebuke him. Can you read jesus saying I am he that was DEAD and alive and live forever. I hold the keys of death and live. Angels cannot hold the keys of death and life. Only God can. Only Jesus was dead and is alive - so you cannot claim that this is the father talking.

Jesus did not tell John that he cannot be worshipped when John bowed in rev 1:17,18. But in two other instances where John bowed to angels in this same book of revelation, the angels rebuked him.

Matt 28:9,10 Mary Magdalene worshipped jesus. Jesus did not rebuke her or ask her to worship only the father. You are free to compare the original greek word for worship. It is worship that was used not obeisance - since you like playing with words

This verses I am bringing up each time, tears to shred the core beliefs of the JW movement and it's a bit embarrassing. JW members actually think pentecostals are bible novices. But am sure they are realising for the first time that themselves are not really good at bible interpretation nor vast in bible knowledge like some of us. No go there o

Ruke1991:
John 20:28 Thomas called Jesus his God. Did you see Jesus rebuke him? no. Because Jesus is God

Heb 1:6 angels are commanded by the father to worship.jesus. So jesus is God - he is not angel Michael. No angel is worthy of worship. The verse you quoted ( Rev 19:10 ) validates my point.

Revelation 19:10 - that is an angel that tells John to bow or worship only God. Angels can never be worshipped. Read the whole chapter and see that the person talking is an angel not Jesus.

The book of revelation commenced with a vision of Jesus and it was clearly stated that John bowed to him in worship (rev 1 :17,18) in the first vision and wasn't rebuked or asked to refrain. Later on angels appeared at different stages beginning from chapter 4 and the book of revelation did not call them Jesus or describe them in any way like Jesus. it simply calls them angels. Only JW blasphemers try to equate jesus to angels

An angel rejecting to be worshipped validates my words that Jesus is God therefore he can be worshipped and he did accept worship in the scripture. The angels appeared numerous times to John in the book of revelation, but in chapter 1 where the series of vision started, the first person that appeared to John identified himself as jesus - who was dead and is alive and lives for ever. This Jesus here accepted the worship from john and never rebuked him like angels did in rev 19 and rev 22 - because he is God.

Rev 1:17,18 - John bowed to Jesus here. Jesus did not rebuke him. Can you read jesus saying I am he that was DEAD and alive and live forever. I hold the keys of death and live. Angels cannot hold the keys of death and life. Only God can. Only Jesus was dead and is alive - so you cannot claim that this is the father talking.

Jesus did not tell John that he cannot be worshipped when John bowed in rev 1:17,18. But in two other instances where John bowed to angels in this same book of revelation, the angels rebuked him.

Matt 28:9,10 Mary Magdalene worshipped jesus. Jesus did not rebuke her or ask her to worship only the father. You are free to compare the original greek word for worship. It is worship that was used not obeisance - since you like playing with words

This verses I am bringing up each time, tears to shred the core beliefs of the JW movement and it's a bit embarrassing. JW members actually think pentecostals are bible novices. But am sure they are realising for the first time that themselves are not really good at bible interpretation nor vast in bible knowledge like some of us. No go there o

"Thomas was just amazed" 😂😂, "it's more of an exclamation 😂". If you hear their flagrant logic🤣, you will doubt whether or not they really went to school.

It's a known fact that Jews do not blaspheme the name of God(titles included👀) either as an exclamation or otherwise😁!

MaxInDHouse:
What you failed woefully to do is present a better performing group than the one you are condemning it makes no sense when you condemn something but can't present another whereas millions are becoming better equipped with the Bible daily through this organization.

You kidding, right? They lying to you. Even the Catholic Church is better preforming because it is NOT a cult, talkless smaller Christ-centered churches.

MaxInDHouse:
Ó paá yán yán! Proverbs 26:4

The bone don hook throat

QuinQ:
You kidding, right? They lying to you. Even the Catholic Church is better preforming because it is NOT a cult, talkless smaller Christ-centered churches.

So are you saying that Catholics do preach and teach from house to house and door to door as God's Son commanded his disciples? Matthew 10:11-13; 28:19-20
Or are you saying Catholics don't hate and go to war killing their fellow worshipers in other lands due to worldly politics just as Jesus condemns? John Matthew 5:43-48

Emusan:
The bone don hook throat

Àbí o!

Gabrielshow24:
"Thomas was just amazed" 😂😂, "it's more of an exclamation 😂". If you hear their flagrant logic🤣, you will doubt whether or not they really went to school.

It's a known fact that Jews do not blaspheme the name of God(titles included👀) either as an exclamation or otherwise😁!

That is the lie they do tell themselves.

The other one agreed that Jesus is the beginning and the ending but to tell us what does the beginning and the ending means it's too difficult for him

MaxInDHouse:
Àbí o!

Yes ooo!

Since you already shot yourself on the foot.

I remember when Janosky was claiming that Jesus was not "The Beginning and The Ending, The First and The Last, Alpha and Omega" in that Revelation because Revelation was all about Jehovah but now you've pour sand sand into his Garri

Emusan:
Yes ooo!
Since you already shot yourself on the foot.
I remember when Janosky was claiming that Jesus was not "The Beginning and The Ending, The First and The Last, Alpha and Omega" in that Revelation because Revelation was all about Jehovah but now you've pour sand sand into his Garri

I believe that's enough reason for you to go out there and teach whoever wants to learn from you just as i keep my own teachings for my Bible students!

MaxInDHouse:
I believe that's enough reason for you to go out there and teach whoever wants to learn from you just as i keep my own teachings for my Bible students!

That's why I'm here

Àbí Nairaland not part of your OUT THERE

At least you're learning from my teaching as well

Emusan:
That's why I'm here
Àbí Nairaland not part of your OUT THERE
At least you're learning from my teaching as well

Hmmmmmmm, everyone that learns from me i always make sure they get baptize as one of Jehovah's Witnesses because that's the organization where i belong!

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmm, everyone that learns from me i always make sure they get baptize as one of Jehovah's Witnesses because that's the organization where i belong!

And everyone who learns from me always got baptized in the NAME of The Father, and of The Son and of The Holy Spirit because that is what our Master instructed us to do Matt 28:19 and we're seriously following His command.

Can you provide the scripture where you were instructed to baptized anyone AS ONE OF JEHOVAH WITNESSES?


Next diversion pls....

Emusan:
And everyone who learns from me always got baptized in the NAME of The Father, and of The Son and of The Holy Spirit because that is what our Master instructed us to do Matt 28:19 and we're seriously following His command.
Can you provide the scripture where you were instructed to baptized anyone AS ONE OF JEHOVAH WITNESSES?
Next diversion pls....

I'm just telling you that your teachings is totally useless to me so whenever you find anyone interested get them baptized in whatever you believe as for me i make sure they are baptized as Jehovah's Witnesses!

MaxInDHouse:
So are you saying that Catholics do preach and teach from house to house and door to door as God's Son commanded his disciples? Matthew 10:11-13; 28:19-20
Or are you saying Catholics don't hate and go to war killing their fellow worshipers in other lands due to worldly politics just as Jesus condemns? John Matthew 5:43-48

I am saying that even Catholics (whom people say don't closely follow the Bible) are better than JW because they are not a CULT - and that trumps everything else. Just ask this guy below if he'd not have been better off being a Catholic.

Gabrielshow24:
"Thomas was just amazed" 😂😂, "it's more of an exclamation 😂". If you hear their flagrant logic🤣, you will doubt whether or not they really went to school.

It's a known fact that Jews do not blaspheme the name of God(titles included👀) either as an exclamation or otherwise😁!

How many times have I told them - you take everything TOGETHER, not ISOLATE verses here and there!
If someone tells you that once you see him you've seen John, and that he and John are one and the same, then someone calls him John, you don't say it was just an exclamation!
Jesus Himself claimed to be God, add to that, OT said God was coming to visit us, add to that, Jews tried to stone Him for claiming to be God, add to that, Jesus was called the Alpha and Omega, (notice no one ever said any of these about anyone else in the entire history of mankind. Also notice the Jews never tried to stone anyone else for claiming to be God!). When you know that's the background of Thomas calling Him God, then you KNOW he meant to call Him just that - God!
Ruke1991, good compilation by the way

QuinQ:
I am saying that even Catholics (whom people say don't closely follow the Bible) are better than JW because they are not a CULT.

So are you saying Jehovah's Witnesses are a CULT because they follow the Bible? Matthew 10:24-25

MaxInDHouse:
I'm just telling you that your teachings is totally useless to me

But you can't do without listening to the same teaching.

so whenever you find anyone interested get them baptized in whatever you believe

You read it in my post that I always do that.

Why foaming in mouth

as for me i make sure they are baptized as Jehovah's Witnesses!

And the question still remains, who instructed you to baptized anyone AS JEHOVAH WITNESSES?

You can silent me by just providing the verse or are you afraid to put me to shame with God's word?

Emusan:
But you can't do without listening to the same teaching.



You read it in my post that I always do that.

Why foaming in mouth



And the question still remains, who instructed you to baptized anyone AS JEHOVAH WITNESSES?

You can silent me by just providing the verse or are you afraid to put me to shame with God's word?

Whatever you think nah at least i'm not interested in your teaching so go and baptize whoever wants to learn from you!

Emusan:
But you can't do without listening to the same teaching.



You read it in my post that I always do that.

Why foaming in mouth



And the question still remains, who instructed you to baptized anyone AS JEHOVAH WITNESSES?

You can silent me by just providing the verse or are you afraid to put me to shame with God's word?

"You mean God's spokesperson's word! 😂😂😂". Max doesn't go with God's spokesperson's word, he only follows God's word👀but unfortunately for him this also runs his arguments into the Mariana trench 😁!

MaxInDHouse:
So are you saying Jehovah's Witnesses are a CULT because they follow the Bible? Matthew 10:24-25

Very funny. Ha-ha!
It's not just me saying they're a cult - people who know them inside out say so - unlike other churches! Because they're brainwashed - some governing board in US determines what they can say and think and they're scared of disfellowship and the shunning that goes with it!

QuinQ:
Very funny. Haha!
It's not just me saying they're a cult - people who know then inside out say so - unlike other churches! Because they're brainwashed - some governing board in US determines what they can say and think and they're scared of disfellowship and the shuning that goes with it!

Just like Islam!!! 😁 How's that for correlation 😂?

Maximus692:
Whatever you think nah at least i'm not interested in your teaching so go and baptize whoever wants to learn from you!

I'm with those who are interested in God's word including you.

Who instructed you to baptized anyone AS JEHOVAH WITNESSES?

Now that your other moniker has been banned, can you share the screen of your post so that we can see insulting, derange & abusive speeches your post contains?

QuinQ:
Very funny. Ha-ha!
It's not just me saying they're a cult - people who know them inside out say so - unlike other churches! Because they're brainwashed - some governing board in US determines what they can say and think and they're scared of disfellowship and the shunning that goes with it!

Jesus already told us you people will call us a cult:

“A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household? Matthew 10:24-25

Your type in the first century called Jesus a cultist because his disciples must follow him like his slaves {Luke 17:10} who have no option! Luke 9:23

So you're just fulfilling what Jesus said about his modern day true disciples the JWs!

Emusan:
I'm with those who are interested in God's word including you.

So in what group are those interested in the word of your God so that we can see how well they are doing?

See how well Jehovah's Witnesses are doing throughout the globe!

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!