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raumdeuter:
Trump is not attacking immigrants, that is a lie. He wants legal immigrants and those who obey the law of the land. Who love America. Immigration is a privilege and not a right. You have to obey the laws of any place you are immigrating to

If not then leave. You cannot come to a country and be fomenting trouble

You can use all the scare tactics of Germany Hitler, etc they are stale, no one is buying it, Trump is Hitler, he is an existential threat, he is this and that. All those who sold you that lie are all walking it back and going to frolick with the same man they called Hitler while you are still parroting the stale worn out talking point

Yeah right. That’s why he is targeting foreign students.

IjeBos:
He's a troll. I can't envision any real person believing 1/4 of the things he posts.
His logic breaks down to: Everyone is being murdered, but you're still alive so why are you worried. So, be worried only when you yourself get murdered.

You nailed it. But watch how Raumdeuter is dodging anything about Trump blowing up the deficit.

Maeve7:
Yeah right. That’s why he is targeting foreign students.

There are millions of foreign students who are in the country today who aren't targeted as long as you follow the laws of the land, You don't threaten other students free movement and you don't go around screaming the end of western civilization

If you hate America an its policies, you don't have to come here. You can go elsewhere.

raumdeuter:
There are millions of foreign students who are in the country today who aren't targeted as long as you follow the laws of the land, You don't threaten other students free movement and you don't go around screaming the end of western civilization

If you hate America an its policies, you don't have to come here. You can go elsewhere.

If you hate America, you vote for a guy who blows up the deficit.

Maeve7:
If you hate America, you vote for a guy who blows up the deficit.

Obama blew up the deficit, Biden blew up the deficit, Bush blew up the deficit, I guess they hate America and you supported some of them

raumdeuter:
Obama blew up the deficit, Biden blew up the deficit, Bush blew up the deficit, I guess they hate America and you supported some of them

Not like Trump who promised to reduce it.

Maeve7:
You nailed it. But watch how Ramdeuter is dodging anything about Trump blowing up the deficit.

When the Big beautiful bill is implemented, Americans keep more of their earned money, more manufacturing is brought to the shore, American jobs are prioritized, More people work, they are fulfilled
When you get economic growth, cut unnecessary foreign aids, You have a bigger base to get taxes from and reduce the deficit

Maeve7:
Not like Trump who promised to reduce it.

Did Obama, Bush and Biden promise to increase the debt?

raumdeuter:
Did Obama, Bush and Biden promise to increase the debt?

Master of Deflection, who is your president now that is blowing up the deficit?

Maeve7:
That’s the problem I have with you people. No amount of evidence will suffice until it hits you personally. That’s how Germans claimed that they didn’t know anything about the concentration camps when the war ended.

They'd rather be lied to, and the liars know their sheep. Hence their alternative facts for the gullible.

A US government report on children's health cited "totally fabricated" studies to back up its findings, academics wrongly listed as the authors of those studies have said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdj98vrzpyvo

budaatum:
This just shows an inability to comprehend due to the inability to use ones own senses to look for oneself and see, and it is a mistake many make too that allows them to accept they are slaves made from mud as opposed to rulers and dominators and subduers in God's image.

But I am not in the least surprised since you already admitted a preference for knowledge that is revealed to you (which includes how you must understanding the text concerned), over experiential knowledge (which is how your own eyes and your own mind might see), so I don't expect you to see what I see with my own senses.



Genesis Chapter 2 clearly provides detail of additional creations after God had created both male and female in his own Image in chapter one and found them to be good, rested on the Sabbath, and then created ignorant slaves from mud to tend a tiny portion of what was created in chapter 1. Damn! God didn't even bother finding Adam good, which to the discerning might imply less effort was inputted to the molding of the mud, which makes sense since its job was to slave in a poxy garden.

What God told Adam is not what God told his own image, and the food Adam was to eat is less than what the image was given to eat.

One might argue that Adam was slaving in the garden to tend the fruits of knowledge for the Image to eat, since it's eating is a requirement for gaining the knowledge and ability to rule and subdue and dominate and multiply, but I think that might stretch you way too far.

You are posting nonsense here.

Genesis 1:26-27: Humanity (man = adam) is created in God’s image, male and female, on the sixth day, with dominion over creation.

God declares all creation “very good”
(Genesis 1:31).

Genesis 2:1-3: God rests on the seventh day, having completed creation.


Genesis 2:4-25: This chapter shifts to a detailed account, starting with: These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created(2:4). It describes the formation of “the man” from dust (2:7), the planting of the Garden of Eden (2:, and the creation of animals and Eve (2:18-23).

The creation of Adam, Eve, and the garden is understood as part of the “man” created in Genesis 1:26-27.

Genesis 2-4 doesn’t indicate a new creation phase.
This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.

The tree of knowledge is in the garden (2:9), and Adam is told not to eat from it (2:17). Eating its fruit leads to knowledge of good and evil (3:5-7), not dominion or multiplication, you know they already had that in Genesis 1:28.

You said he is a slave, if that is true why was he given dominion over everything?

Dominion: Power or the use of power; sovereignty over something; stewardship, supremacy.

You cannot have dominion over everything if you are a slave.

I already made it clear Adam was created in the image of God in Genesis c1 no new creation took place in Genesis c2.

You don't understand the Bible

budaatum:
Is that not why animals can not reason, plan, dominate, rule, and subdue?

Humans who do not eat fruits of knowledge are not much better than animals.

No, animals can reason, but they are not created to be like humans. God already stated, even before the fruit was eaten, that humans should have dominion over the animals.

Your argument does not make sense. Why not say that other fruits did not eat the fruit as well, which is why they cannot reason?

The difference in reasons between humans and animals is that humans were created in the image of God.

budaatum:
Do you understand what you wrote at all?

Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth.

God was not talking to Adam in Chapter 9! Adam died in Chapter 5.

Happy that verse was to Noah. How about Genesis 1:28

Genesis 1:28 ►

God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

budaatum:
Is that not why animals can not reason and plan and dominate and rule and subdue?

Humans who do not eat fruits of knowledge are not much better than animals.

Animals can reason

budaatum:
No it is not talking about Adam and Eve when God created humans in his image in chapter 2. And if you had been paying attention you would have raised this point so we thrashed it at the start of my stretching where I said the following, which at the time I knew hadn't been understood by you.



Genesis Chapter states clearly that Adam and Eve were created on the eighth day, after the God had rested on the seventh day, and after "creating the humans in his image both male and female created he them" on the sixth day.

Their job descriptions are different, the image being told to rule the earth and multiply and subdue, while Adam was told to tend a tiny poxy garden.

And their pay/reward is different, with the image being told to eat every fruit from every seed bearing tree while Adam had a pay cut of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Besides, God can not possibly have created humans in his image from mud because that would be a hypocrisy that contravenes the second law as given in Exodus which states, "You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below", and unlike magas forgiving grab them by the pussy, billions in the world would not have forgiven that God (though I'm sure they would, considering the wuruwuru most do to justify the ungodly).

Saying Adam and Eve is the Image of God is step one in your enslavement by those who brought you the book. They themselves were not working in any tiny garden and not eating fruits of trees of knowledge. They were using the knowledge they nourished themselves with to get on ships to go dominate the entire earth to subdue the people they found where they got to so they themselves can plunder your wealth and multiply while you eat there fearing fruits of knowledge is deadly poison.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlYE6vgGeSQ?si=MeoqJbprQQBUwTBq

The above is a song the Brits sang on their way to enslave you. Note how its full of rule and subdue and multiply, and tell me if it does have similar sentiment to "free Palestine from the river to the sea". We might have resisted them more, I'd think, if we had heard them singing it when they first arrived on our shores, because it clearly hints at their intent.

TLDR. That's Jehovah Witness type of interprets.
My point is that one should not care about those things, xtianity dies not rely on the misspellings, placement and sequence of bible verses.
If Jesus didn't resurrect then xtianity falls flat in it's face. Fullstop. Period.

Maeve7:
Master of Deflection, who is your president now that is blowing up the deficit?

Obama Biden Bush all blew up the budget, you supported some of them, were you an enemy of America

raumdeuter:
When the Big beautiful bill is implemented, Americans keep more of their earned money, more manufacturing is brought to the shore, American jobs are prioritized, More people work, they are fulfilled
When you get economic growth, cut unnecessary foreign aids, You have a bigger base to get taxes from and reduce the deficit

Just abolish all taxes and you will live in paradise. Who would have thought it was that simple?

raumdeuter:
Obama Biden Bush all blew up the budget, you supported some of them, were you an enemy of America

Trump is blowing up the deficit. What do you have to say about it?

Maeve7:
Trump is blowing up the deficit. What do you have to say about it?

He is doing what other presidents before him have always done

Maeve7:
Just abolish all taxes and you will live in paradise. Who would have thought it was that simple?

We won't abolish all taxes, we will reduce it enough so that working people can keep more of their money and have more incentive and encouragement to work

basilico:
Happy that verse was to Noah. How about Genesis 1:28

Genesis 1:28 ►

God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

Adam was not created until Chapter 2, so that instruction could not have been given to Adam, who after being created on day 8 after God had rested on the seventh, was put in the garden to tend it.

You don't rule and subdue the earth if you are a naked ignorant enslaved gardener.

basilico:
TLDR. That's Jehovah Witness type of interprets.
My point is that one should not care about those things, xtianity dies not rely on the misspellings, placement and sequence of bible verses.
If Jesus didn't resurrect then xtianity falls flat in it's face. Fullstop. Period.

See the bold? That's like claiming one can understand Chinua Achebe's Thing's Fall Apart by not reading the pages in their published order, but by jumping around the chapters like church reading is. And if that is a philosophy you adopt when reading anything, it would explain the numerous unfounded conspiracies you post here without bothering to see if there is any connection apart from you love for dump. You are a Christian, so I would suggest you go pick up a Bible and start at page one and work your way to the end. You might even see Yahweh evolving from some angry fire and brimstone god into meek and gentle forgiving Jesus.

As for your "If Jesus didn't resurrect then xtianity falls flat in it's face", it's a pity you think this way, as it's like claiming if the tortoise in Things Fall Apart did not claim his name was All of Us it would not have the sections on its supposed cracked shell, or that there is nothing to learn in the stories of the hare and the tortoise you read as a child.

Jesus does not have to have died for Christianity to have merits, because, regardless of his death, love your neighbour and turn the other cheek still has immense value, along with a lot of other fictional stuff in the Bible, if understood. In fact, the Bible has merit as a book in its own right whether you believe it or not.

In case you don't know, your Christ is risen indeed only when you understand, otherwise, you just crucify your Jesus all over again.

The below is my response to your https://www.nairaland.com/4508641/american-politics-thread-trump-47th/5145#135566029 that bot got.

budaatum:
Adam was not created until Chapter 2, so that instruction could not have been given to Adam, who after being created on day 8 after God had rested on the seventh, was put in the garden to tend it.

You don't rule and subdue the earth if you are a naked ignorant enslaved gardener.

Where is your proof of this? Quote the verse where Adam was created.

budaatum:
They'd rather be lied to, and the liars know their sheep. Hence their alternative facts for the gullible.

It's an intellectually lazy crowd. But they don't have to do more because as you said they know their sheep.

RFK put out a report on Make America Healthy Again that was rife with lies, fake studies and faked conclusions. Seems he let AI write it like some of the posters in this thread.

Robert F Kennedy Jr’s flagship health commission report contains citations to studies that do not exist, according to an investigation by the US publication Notus.

The report exposes glaring scientific failures from a health secretary who earlier this week threatened to ban government scientists from publishing in leading medical journals.

The 73-page “Make America healthy again” report – which was commissioned by the Trump administration to examine the causes of chronic illness, and which Kennedy promoted it as “gold-standard” science backed by more than 500 citations – includes references to seven studies that appear to be entirely invented, and others that the researchers say have been mischaracterized.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/29/rfk-jr-maha-health-report-studies

IjeBos:
It's an intellectually lazy crowd. But they don't have to do more because as you said they know their sheep.

RFK put out a report on Make America Healthy Again that was rife with lies, fake studies and faked conclusions. Seems he let AI write it like some of the posters in this thread.

They believe Michell Obama is a man. They will believe anything

cococandy:
They believe Michell Obama is a man. They will believe anything

It is such a weird and racist conspiracy thing to focus your energy on.

JD Vance is too educated not to know better.
So, it's clear it's just something else he deliberately lies about because he knows his base won't know.

He doesn't seem to recall Operation Paper Clip which then US Space program was founded on or even that Elon Musk who currently has tons of space contracts is an imported foreigner.

I keep saying one of the US's greatest assets is how it draws in the greatest minds from around the world. Not only does it advance US interests but it also deprives host countries from those minds aka brain drain.

Operation Paper Clip

The Operation Paperclip was a secret United States intelligence program in which more than 1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians were taken from former Nazi Germany to the US for government employment after the end of World War II in Europe, between 1945 and 1959; several were confirmed to be former members of the Nazi Party, including the SS or the SA.


Kurt Debus (front row, third from the left), a former V-2 rocket scientist who became a NASA director, sitting between US President John F. Kennedy and US Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1962 at a briefing at Blockhouse 34, Cape Canaveral Missile Test Annex
The effort began in earnest in 1945, as the Allies advanced into Germany and discovered a wealth of scientific talent and advanced research that had contributed to Germany's wartime technological advancements. The US Joint Chiefs of Staff officially established Operation Overcast (operations "Overcast" and "Paperclip" were related, and the terms are often used interchangeably) on July 20, 1945, with the dual aims of leveraging German expertise for the ongoing war effort against Japan and to bolster US postwar military research. The operation, conducted by the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA), was largely actioned by special agents of the US Army's Counterintelligence Corps (CIC). Many selected scientists were involved in the Nazi rocket program, aviation, or chemical/biological warfare. The Soviet Union in the following year conducted a similar program, called Operation Osoaviakhim, that emphasized many of the same fields of research.

The operation, characterized by the recruitment of German specialists and their families, relocated more than 1600 experts to the US. It has been valued at US$10 billion in patents and industrial processes. Recruits included such notable figures as Wernher von Braun, a leading rocket-technology scientist. Those recruited were instrumental in the development of the US space program and military technology during the Cold War. Despite its contributions to American scientific advances, Operation Paperclip has been controversial because of the Nazi affiliations of many recruits, and the ethics of assimilating individuals associated with war crimes into American society.

The Republican Party Folks. The Jesus party.
If you kick people of medicare people will die.
GOP Sen. Ernst "Well, we all are going to die".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwnsVuO_hGk

IjeBos:
The Republican Party Folks. The Jesus party.
If you kick people of medicare people will die.
GOP Sen. Ernst "Well, we all are going to die".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwnsVuO_hGk

Crazy 😳

bemeruca:
Where is your proof of this? Quote the verse where Adam was created.

Genesis 2 King James Version

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Verse 5, along with the others bolded, explicitly imply the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul" on the eight day after he had rested.

After the Lord had then formed the man from dust did he "planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed".

But that's not even the conclusive evidence. The fact Adam was not given the same duties and pay as the Image shows they couldn't possible be the same creation unless you want to argue God decided to demote the Image to a naked ignorant slave, which he's unlikely to be able to do since they are themselves in God's image with the same powers and abilities and might resist being enslaved by their peer. Hence, slave Adam.