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TenQ:
You speak good English but you seem not to even understand by
1. The phrases Ontological and Metaphysical
2. I hope you meant to say that
I don't know the difference between "Metaphysical Reality" and "Ontological Contradiction" and not that I dont know the difference between "Metaphysical Duality" and "Ontological Contradiction"

Secondly,
Your explanation of the difference between Soul and body in Islam you gave is FALSE.
In Islam
Is the Soul of Moses TRUELY Moses in Islam or not?
Is the Body of Moses TRUELY Moses in Islam or not?

Even though you don't believe in TRINITY of Man, Islam believes in the DUALITY of Man.

If you don't understand this basics, how can you understand the basics of the Trinity of Man or the Trinity of God.



In as much as you cannot respond to the CONTRADICTIONS that
1. Moses could be Dead YET Alive at the same time
2. Moses could be in the Grave on earth YET walking about in Paradise.
3. The Qur'an is Eternal and Uncreated YET has a date of publication and a publisher

If you cannot answer these questions, your repeating your question is borne out of gross ignorance



Your lack of comprehension is obviously affecting you.
1. Was Moses TRUELY buried on earth and is in his grave praying?
2. If the above is TRUE, who then told Mohammed to reduce the prayer time given by Allah from 50?

If both answers about Moses is YES, then your understanding needs help for that is the meaning of Duality of Man (if you reject the Trinity of Man)



Is the Hafs Qur'an, a Quran or not?
If it is Qur'an according to you Muslims, then your arguments are futile.

Do you Muslims allow a woman having her mensuration to touch the Qur'an?
Quran 56:79
"Which none shall touch but those who are clean:"

Is the physical Book the Qur'an or not?

It is the Qur'an sir!

So, my question remains:
If the physical book is the Qur'an , even as a recitation, it has a beginning and can be destroyed.



You have displayed gross ignorance of the subway hand and you are forming knowledge from lack of understanding and misrepresentation of Clear explanations.

At the risk of redundancy,
Let me show you again
a. Moses is at least a duality (as Christians, every human being is a Trinity).
-There is Moses's Physical Identity by which everyone on earth recognises him and by which he interacts with the physical realm. This is Moses's BODY and he is known on Earth as Moses!
- There is Moses's Spiritual Identity by which everyone in paradise recognises him and by which he interacts with the spiritual realm. This is Moses's SOUL and he is known in paradise as Moses!
b. Moses is ONE but he has at least TWO different identities.

Thus, Moses can be dead and Alive at the same time. His Duality makes this not contradictory.

2. According to Muslims, the Qur'an is Kalām Allāh from the Umm al-Kitab in paradise and is eternal and uncreated.
This Quran became a book on earth and you call it the Qur'an. You treat is a the exact words of Allah! You give the book honour by the way you treat is.
It means that
a. The Qur'an is a duality of the Qur'an in paradise and the Qur'an on earth.
b. The Qur'an on earth is not eternal and is created. The Qur'an in paradise is uncreated and eternal.

Thus the physical Qur'an can be destroyed and yet the Qur'an still remains undestroyed.

3. YHWH is ONE Being who exists with the IDENTITY of the Trinity of the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit.
If you like (as an analogy)
*YHWH with the Identity of the Holy Spirit
He is invisible and the whole physical and spiritual universe are within Him. He is Omnipresent identity of God whose power is distributed throughout the Universe
*YHWH with Identity as the Father
He is visible to the Angels in paradise and He presides over the physical and spiritual realm.
*YHWH with the Identity as the Word
He is the manifest presence of God anywhere in Creation. By Him everything was commanded to be. He became human by incarnating and taking up human nature with it's weaknesses.

I have asked you the question before
When Jibril became a perfect man, did he cease being an Angel?
AND
When the Word became Human, should he cease to be the Word?

Phillipias 2:6
"Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage."

Philippians 2:7-8
"But emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross."

Hebrews 4:15
"For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin."



As a test to your sincerity
According to Christians, Moses is ONE Being having the Identities of a Body, a Soul and a Spirit.
BUT For your sake (I will use the dual nature of man: meaning that Moses has a Body and a Soul).

When Moses died,
1. Did Moses Body Die?
2. Did Moses Soul Die?
Is Moses truely Living or Dead?


When the Word put on Limitations, according to the Christian doctrine.
1. Did the Father also put on Limitations?
2. Did the Holy Spirit also put on Limitations?
Did God become Limited or remain Unlimited?

Your answer to this will show if all these discussions is a WASTE of precious time or not


NB:
The fact that you cannot comprehend the Wave-Particle Duality of Matter doesn't make it false. It only shows that you are ignorant.

Thank you for your response. I continue to value interfaith dialogue conducted with sincerity and reason. However, your latest reply, while passionate, unfortunately does not meet the standard of logical clarity required for theological discourse. It primarily reasserts already addressed claims without logically resolving the contradiction I originally posed to your Christology.

Allow me to address your points in order, and then return to the central issue.

📌 1. Category Confusion: Still Not Resolved

You accuse me of “not understanding metaphysics and ontology,” yet you proceed to make the exact same category error I previously highlighted — and have yet to answer:

> You equate the metaphysical composition of humans (soul and body) with the contradictory divine-human nature you attribute to Jesus.

In Islam, the soul and body are distinct but not contradictory aspects of human existence. When the body dies, the soul continues to live in the barzakh. This is not a contradiction, because different properties are attributed to different components (body is mortal; soul is immortal). This is metaphysical duality — not an ontological paradox.

Your Christology, however, proposes something else entirely: that one and the same individual Jesus is both omniscient and ignorant, immortal and mortal, untemptable and tempted — within the same unified person. That is a contradiction in essential attributes, and repeating the example of Moses does not solve this problem. It merely shifts the topic and avoids the original challenge.

🔁 2. Your Argument Is Circular and Repetitive

You have restated the same rhetorical questions:

"Was Moses’ soul Moses or not?"

"Was his body Moses or not?"

"Is the physical Qur'an the Qur’an or not?"

"Can something have two aspects but still be one?"

All of these have already been explicitly answered in my previous message — and you have not addressed those answers with counter-reasoning. You’ve only repeated your questions as if repetition substitutes for argument. It does not.

Let me summarize again for clarity:

Moses is one person. After death, his body is in the grave, and his soul continues to exist in a conscious state. This is the standard metaphysical understanding of life after death — affirmed not just by Islam but by Christianity itself.

The physical mushaf (paper, ink, recitation) is created, while the speech of Allah (Kalām Allāh) is uncreated. The medium is not the essence. The Qur’an is eternal in its essence, not in every form it takes.

You are conflating essence with manifestation — a basic philosophical error.

❗ 3. You Still Have Not Answered the Central Contradiction

Let me return, again, to the core challenge I raised — which you continue to avoid:

> How can Jesus be both fully God and fully man when the attributes of divinity and humanity directly contradict each other?

God is omniscient (all-knowing). Man is limited in knowledge.

God is eternal and immortal. Man is subject to death.

God cannot be tempted (James 1:13). Jesus was tempted (Matthew 4:1).

These are not complementary attributes. They are logically contradictory. Claiming that the "Word took on limitations" does not solve the contradiction — it reasserts it.

If the “Word” became limited, then either:

He ceased to be fully God, which contradicts your claim of “fully God,”
or

He remained fully God while also not having God’s attributes, which is a contradiction in terms.

You quote Philippians 2:6-8 — but those verses only describe the claim of incarnation, not how it avoids logical contradiction. Doctrine must not just be asserted, it must be coherently defended.

🧪 4. Your "Test of Sincerity" Backfires

You ask:

> "Did Moses' body die? Did his soul die? Is Moses alive or dead?"

Answer (from Islamic theology):

His body died, and remains in the grave.

His soul lives in the barzakh.

So, he is dead in the bodily sense but consciously alive in the soul. This is not contradictory because different attributes apply to different components.

You then ask:

> "When the Word became human, did the Father and Spirit also become human?"

If your answer is no, then your theology is fractured: the Word (allegedly God) took on ignorance, hunger, sleep, and death — but the rest of the Godhead did not. That would make God divisible, not one in essence. And if your answer is yes, then the entire Trinity lost divine attributes — which invalidates divinity.

Either way, the contradiction remains unresolved.

📚 5. Your Physics Analogy Fails

You appeal to “wave-particle duality” as if scientific paradoxes justify theological contradictions.

But the wave-particle duality is a model of quantum behavior, not a logical contradiction. It does not claim that something is entirely a wave and entirely a particle in the same respect and sense. It means it displays different properties under different conditions. No law of logic is violated.

By contrast, claiming that a being is fully omniscient and fully ignorant at once violates the law of non-contradiction — and no scientific analogy can rescue that.

✅ Conclusion: Stop Repetition — Address the Real Issue

You are welcome to continue this dialogue, but if it is to be fruitful, it must stop circling around rhetorical distractions. I respectfully ask that you address the core question without repetition or deflection:

> How can Jesus be fully God and fully man without violating the law of non-contradiction, when divinity entails omniscience, immortality, and impassibility — and humanity entails their opposites?

If you cannot resolve this contradiction, then simply restating Islamic beliefs about the soul, the Qur'an, or Moses does not help your case — nor does labeling questions as ignorance when they are in fact logical critiques of your doctrine.

As Muslims, we affirm:

One indivisible God — eternal, omniscient, and perfect.

No incarnation, no death of God, no logical paradox.

Clear metaphysical categories, consistent with reason and revelation.

The Islamic doctrine of Tawḥīd offers clarity, coherence, and the unity of attributes — without contradiction. I again invite you to reflect on that.

TenQ:
Isa 53:3-12:
"He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he has borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was on him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way ; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all . He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he opens not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he has put him to grief: when you shall make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he has poured out his soul to death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."

The people of God!

The narration started from chapter 52..
Read it in context.
It is the kings of the earth that are talking. Israel was suffering as a result of their iniquities and oppression. Read 10-the end.
The servant will live if he makes restitution, God will prolong his days ....
It is not about the J-man. You can't take a text out of its context. That is not how to read a story. You won't learn anything like that.
Put everything in context, then read it. Start from chapter 52. That is where the narrative started from.

JimRohn:
Thank you for your response. I continue to value interfaith dialogue conducted with sincerity and reason. However, your latest reply, while passionate, unfortunately does not meet the standard of logical clarity required for theological discourse. It primarily reasserts already addressed claims without logically resolving the contradiction I originally posed to your Christology.
Allow me to address your points in order, and then return to the central issue.
📌 1. Category Confusion: Still Not Resolved

You accuse me of “not understanding metaphysics and ontology,” yet you proceed to make the exact same category error I previously highlighted — and have yet to answer:
> You equate the metaphysical composition of humans (soul and body) with the contradictory divine-human nature you attribute to Jesus.

In Islam, the soul and body are distinct but not contradictory aspects of human existence. When the body dies, the soul continues to live in the barzakh. This is not a contradiction, because different properties are attributed to different components (body is mortal; soul is immortal). This is metaphysical duality — not an ontological paradox.

1. You seem not to have the foggiest understanding of what you even mean by the words metaphysics and ontology
2. Your lack of comprehension is seriously evident by your statement
You said:
In Islam, the soul and body are distinct but not contradictory aspects of human existence.
According to your understanding, in christianity, is the soul and body not distinct but contradictory aspects of human existence.

You made a confused statement like:
> You equate the metaphysical composition of humans (soul and body) with the contradictory divine-human nature you attribute to Jesus
No sir,
I gave you statements like'
Duality of Soul and Body being ONE and the same even though having two different natures
THEN
the Duality of WORD and Jesus being ONE and the same even though having two different natures

But your lack of sincerity made you see exactly whatever you wanted to see!

JimRohn:
🔁 2. Your Argument Is Circular and Repetitive
You have restated the same rhetorical questions:
"Was Moses’ soul Moses or not?"
"Was his body Moses or not?"

"Is the physical Qur'an the Qur’an or not?"
"Can something have two aspects but still be one?"

All of these have already been explicitly answered in my previous message — and you have not addressed those answers with counter-reasoning. You’ve only repeated your questions as if repetition substitutes for argument. It does not.

Let me summarize again for clarity:

Moses is one person. After death, his body is in the grave, and his soul continues to exist in a conscious state. This is the standard metaphysical understanding of life after death — affirmed not just by Islam but by Christianity itself.
You are conflating essence with manifestation — a basic philosophical error.

You did NOT answer my question, you only glossed around it and then convincing yourself that you have answered it.

Let me rephrase if you don't understand:
1a. What is the Name of the IDENTITY of the Person (Body of Moses) in the Grave?
1b. What is the Name of the IDENTITY of the Person (Soul of Moses) in Paradise?

2a. What is the Name of the IDENTITY of the (non physical Quran) Kalām Allāh from the Umm al-Kitab in paradise?
2a. What is the Name of the IDENTITY of the (physical Quran) on Earth of the Kalām Allāh from the Umm al-Kitab in paradise?

Please don't beat around the bush

JimRohn:
❗ 3. You Still Have Not Answered the Central Contradiction
Let me return, again, to the core challenge I raised — which you continue to avoid:
> How can Jesus be both fully God and fully man when the attributes of divinity and humanity directly contradict each other?
God is omniscient (all-knowing). Man is limited in knowledge.
God is eternal and immortal. Man is subject to death.
God cannot be tempted (James 1:13). Jesus was tempted (Matthew 4:1).
These are not complementary attributes. They are logically contradictory. Claiming that the "Word took on limitations" does not solve the contradiction — it reasserts it.

If the “Word” became limited, then either:
He ceased to be fully God, which contradicts your claim of “fully God,”
or
He remained fully God while also not having God’s attributes, which is a contradiction in terms.

Your ignorance (sorry for the language) is like that of an uneducated illiterate screaming on top of his lungs repeatedly asking the question "show me the HIV virus on my plate!".

Have you been able to explain how Moses was fully dead (on earth) BUT also fully alive in paradise?
Have you been able to explain how the Quran (on earth) is perishable and with a date of BUT also uncreated/eternal?

These above are your supposed LOGICAL contradictions!

if you don't even understand your deen, how can you understand someone else's doctrine!
SMH!!

JimRohn:
🧪 4. Your "Test of Sincerity" Backfires
You ask:
> "Did Moses' body die? Did his soul die? Is Moses alive or dead?"
Answer (from Islamic theology):
His body died, and remains in the grave.
His soul lives in the barzakh.
So, he is dead in the bodily sense but consciously alive in the soul. This is not contradictory because different attributes apply to different components.
You then ask:

> "When the Word became human, did the Father and Spirit also become human?"
If your answer is no, then your theology is fractured: the Word (allegedly God) took on ignorance, hunger, sleep, and death — but the rest of the Godhead did not. That would make God divisible, not one in essence. And if your answer is yes, then the entire Trinity lost divine attributes — which invalidates divinity.

Either way, the contradiction remains unresolved.

So, according to Islamic theology
When Moses died, His Body Died AND His soul Died!?
This willful ignorance was why you couldn't respond to a direct question with a simple YES or NO answer.

I asked:
> "When the Word became human, did the Father and Spirit also become human?"
The Question is exactly like
When Moses body died, did Moses Soul also die?

JimRohn:
📚 5. Your Physics Analogy Fails
You appeal to “wave-particle duality” as if scientific paradoxes justify theological contradictions.
But the wave-particle duality is a model of quantum behavior, not a logical contradiction. It does not claim that something is entirely a wave and entirely a particle in the same respect and sense. It means it displays different properties under different conditions. No law of logic is violated.

By contrast, claiming that a being is fully omniscient and fully ignorant at once violates the law of non-contradiction — and no scientific analogy can rescue that.

See how you wave aside the implication of the wave-particle duality
If I get you correctly the characteristic properties of a wave and the characteristic property of particulate matter are exactly the same and NOT contradictory.

I see, that yours is wilful ignorance
I am convinced that you are a Denialist at heart as you combine and obstinate, unreasonable, dogmatic, partiality to plain doctrines.
The Truth is not important to people like you.

JimRohn:
✅ Conclusion: Stop Repetition — Address the Real Issue
You are welcome to continue this dialogue, but if it is to be fruitful, it must stop circling around rhetorical distractions. I respectfully ask that you address the core question without repetition or deflection:

> How can Jesus be fully God and fully man without violating the law of non-contradiction, when divinity entails omniscience, immortality, and impassibility — and humanity entails their opposites?

If you cannot resolve this contradiction, then simply restating Islamic beliefs about the soul, the Qur'an, or Moses does not help your case — nor does labeling questions as ignorance when they are in fact logical critiques of your doctrine.

As Muslims, we affirm:
One indivisible God — eternal, omniscient, and perfect.
No incarnation, no death of God, no logical paradox.
Clear metaphysical categories, consistent with reason and revelation.

The Islamic doctrine of Tawḥīd offers clarity, coherence, and the unity of attributes — without contradiction. I again invite you to reflect on that.

As Christians, we see that Allah by the Reason of the Taoheed cannot be God the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth because he lacks the Characteristics of YHWH
Allah is NOT Omnipresent:
Allah is a subset of the Universe as Air is above and below him. A subset of the universe can not be omnipresent. Muslims agree that Allah is on the top of the seven heavens which is above the seven earths. Allah has to descend from his throne to even get close to our lowest heaven thus leaving his throne behind empty

Allah is NOT Omniscient:
Allah says Dhul Qarnayn saw the setting place of the sun and he even met a people there. Women have reproductive fluids coming from their Taraib (ترائب). As far as Allah is concerned, hail stones are cut from mountains of ice in the sky. Even the stars are missiles to chase the Jinn to prevent them from eavesdropping on Allah (muslims have not explained how they would pass through the seven gates to reach where they can listen to Allah). Allah's historical records in the Quran are not above the level of the knowledge of an uneducated Arab man of the 6th century. Allah doesn't even know if the destiny of a boy is to die as a young boy or to become a mushrik at adulthood. Allah does not even sure of the pronunciation of Abraham in the Quran.

Allah is NOT Omnipotent:
Allah doesn't even have the power to be somewhere and everywhere at the same time. Allah cannot enter what he calls his creation. Allah couldn't even make Mohammed perform a single miracle. Allah couldn't say the sequence by which he created the universe without getting it wrong.

Allah is NOT YHWH:
Allah claims that he is YHWH the God of the Christians and Muslims. Unfortunately, from his 99 names, none of the names is YHWH. It was a blessing that the Jews do not call God their Father by Name: if not, Mohammed would have put it inside the Quran.
YHWH disciplines His prophets when they commit sins: Allah justifies the Sins of his Messenger:
Moses was punished for Adultery and Murder, Solomon was punished for Idolatry, Samson was Punished, Eli was punished, King Saul was punished. How about Allah? He arranged how Mohammed married the Wife (Zainab) of his Adopted son (Zaid): Allah thereafter cancelled adoption just to legalise this sin so that every muslim man can marry the wife of their adopted son. Allah gave the ordinance of Mutah and halal prostitution to Muslims which Mohmmed later (out of shame) abrogated.

The paradise of Allah is different from the Paradise of YHWH:
In the paradise of YHWH, Jesus said people do NOT marry just like Angels don't get married. Allah and his prophet promises marriages, brotels, endless orgies where you will drink as much as you want without getting intoxicated. Allah women from Hell whose qualification is that they have nice front and inside (I pity women who are not well endowed) who enter hell fire as they have no escape.


God back to YHWH, the God of the Real Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
God back to the God who doesn't give excuses but backs up his prophets with His power and presence




Using your Claim:
Satanist worship one God and his name is satan. He is just one person and simple to understand.
For satanists: One indivisible God — whose name is Satan (Iblis).
No incarnation, no death of Satan, no logical paradox.
Clear metaphysical categories, consistent with reason and revelation.

See how Alike you Muslims are with worshippers of Iblis

sonmvayina:
The narration started from chapter 52..
Read it in context.
It is the kings of the earth that are talking. Israel was suffering as a result of their iniquities and oppression. Read 10-the end.
The servant will live if he makes restitution, God will prolong his days ....
It is not about the J-man. You can't take a text out of its context. That is not how to read a story. You won't learn anything like that.
Put everything in context, then read it. Start from chapter 52. That is where the narrative started from.

Who were these people of God?

TenQ:
1. You seem not to have the foggiest understanding of what you even mean by the words metaphysics and ontology
2. Your lack of comprehension is seriously evident by your statement
You said:
In Islam, the soul and body are distinct but not contradictory aspects of human existence.
According to your understanding, in christianity, is the soul and body not distinct but contradictory aspects of human existence.

You made a confused statement like:
> You equate the metaphysical composition of humans (soul and body) with the contradictory divine-human nature you attribute to Jesus
No sir,
I gave you statements like'
Duality of Soul and Body being ONE and the same even though having two different natures
THEN
the Duality of WORD and Jesus being ONE and the same even though having two different natures

But your lack of sincerity made you see exactly whatever you wanted to see!


You did NOT answer my question, you only glossed around it and then convincing yourself that you have answered it.

Let me rephrase if you don't understand:
1a. What is the Name of the IDENTITY of the Person (Body of Moses) in the Grave?
1b. What is the Name of the IDENTITY of the Person (Soul of Moses) in Paradise?

2a. What is the Name of the IDENTITY of the (non physical Quran) Kalām Allāh from the Umm al-Kitab in paradise?
2a. What is the Name of the IDENTITY of the (physical Quran) on Earth of the Kalām Allāh from the Umm al-Kitab in paradise?

Please don't beat around the bush


Your ignorance (sorry for the language) is like that of an uneducated illiterate screaming on top of his lungs repeatedly asking the question "show me the HIV virus on my plate!".

Have you been able to explain how Moses was fully dead (on earth) BUT also fully alive in paradise?
Have you been able to explain how the Quran (on earth) is perishable and with a date of BUT also uncreated/eternal?

These above are your supposed LOGICAL contradictions!

if you don't even understand your deen, how can you understand someone else's doctrine!
SMH!!



So, according to Islamic theology
When Moses died, His Body Died AND His soul Died!?
This willful ignorance was why you couldn't respond to a direct question with a simple YES or NO answer.

I asked:
> "When the Word became human, did the Father and Spirit also become human?"
The Question is exactly like
When Moses body died, did Moses Soul also die?


See how you wave aside the implication of the wave-particle duality
If I get you correctly the characteristic properties of a wave and the characteristic property of particulate matter are exactly the same and NOT contradictory.

I see, that yours is wilful ignorance
I am convinced that you are a Denialist at heart as you combine and obstinate, unreasonable, dogmatic, partiality to plain doctrines.
The Truth is not important to people like you.




As Christians, we see that Allah by the Reason of the Taoheed cannot be God the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth because he lacks the Characteristics of YHWH
Allah is NOT Omnipresent:
Allah is a subset of the Universe as Air is above and below him. A subset of the universe can not be omnipresent. Muslims agree that Allah is on the top of the seven heavens which is above the seven earths. Allah has to descend from his throne to even get close to our lowest heaven thus leaving his throne behind empty

Allah is NOT Omniscient:
Allah says Dhul Qarnayn saw the setting place of the sun and he even met a people there. Women have reproductive fluids coming from their Taraib (ترائب). As far as Allah is concerned, hail stones are cut from mountains of ice in the sky. Even the stars are missiles to chase the Jinn to prevent them from eavesdropping on Allah (muslims have not explained how they would pass through the seven gates to reach where they can listen to Allah). Allah's historical records in the Quran are not above the level of the knowledge of an uneducated Arab man of the 6th century. Allah doesn't even know if the destiny of a boy is to die as a young boy or to become a mushrik at adulthood. Allah does not even sure of the pronunciation of Abraham in the Quran.

Allah is NOT Omnipotent:
Allah doesn't even have the power to be somewhere and everywhere at the same time. Allah cannot enter what he calls his creation. Allah couldn't even make Mohammed perform a single miracle. Allah couldn't say the sequence by which he created the universe without getting it wrong.

Allah is NOT YHWH:
Allah claims that he is YHWH the God of the Christians and Muslims. Unfortunately, from his 99 names, none of the names is YHWH. It was a blessing that the Jews do not call God their Father by Name: if not, Mohammed would have put it inside the Quran.
YHWH disciplines His prophets when they commit sins: Allah justifies the Sins of his Messenger:
Moses was punished for Adultery and Murder, Solomon was punished for Idolatry, Samson was Punished, Eli was punished, King Saul was punished. How about Allah? He arranged how Mohammed married the Wife (Zainab) of his Adopted son (Zaid): Allah thereafter cancelled adoption just to legalise this sin so that every muslim man can marry the wife of their adopted son. Allah gave the ordinance of Mutah and halal prostitution to Muslims which Mohmmed later (out of shame) abrogated.

The paradise of Allah is different from the Paradise of YHWH:
In the paradise of YHWH, Jesus said people do NOT marry just like Angels don't get married. Allah and his prophet promises marriages, brotels, endless orgies where you will drink as much as you want without getting intoxicated. Allah women from Hell whose qualification is that they have nice front and inside (I pity women who are not well endowed) who enter hell fire as they have no escape.


God back to YHWH, the God of the Real Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
God back to the God who doesn't give excuses but backs up his prophets with His power and presence




Using your Claim:
Satanist worship one God and his name is satan. He is just one person and simple to understand.
For satanists: One indivisible God — whose name is Satan (Iblis).
No incarnation, no death of Satan, no logical paradox.
Clear metaphysical categories, consistent with reason and revelation.

See how Alike you Muslims are with worshippers of Iblis

Your response is not only logically incoherent but laced with juvenile mockery and theological ignorance masquerading as cleverness. You confuse verbosity for reasoning, sarcasm for scholarship, and polemics for precision. Let’s strip away the noise and face your theological and philosophical failures point by point.

📌 1. You Still Don’t Understand the Argument — and Repetition Isn’t a Refutation

You have once again repeated your flawed analogy between the soul/body duality and the divine/human duality — despite it being thoroughly dismantled. You falsely assume that two complementary components (soul and body) in a created being can serve as an analogy for a logical contradiction in God’s essential attributes.

Let me spell this out for you one more time — slowly:

A soul can be immortal.

A body can be mortal.

These are not contradictions because they belong to different parts of the same human.

But what you claim about Jesus is that one single, unified person (not two beings) is:

Fully omniscient and ignorant at the same time

Fully immortal and mortal at the same time

Fully untemptable and tempted at the same time

This is not metaphysical complexity. It is a logical contradiction.

You claim the “Word became flesh.” Fine. Now answer: Did the divine Word lose divine attributes when it became flesh or not? If yes, then it was no longer fully God. If no, then it possessed contradictory attributes at once — which violates the law of non-contradiction.

You’re not answering the critique. You’re dodging it with false analogies and circular logic.

🔄 2. Your "Name Game" Questions Are Linguistic Red Herrings

You ask:

> What is the name of the soul of Moses in paradise?

> What is the name of the body of Moses in the grave?

The answer is obvious and already given: Moses. It’s one person with two components, each with different properties. But again, no contradiction arises unless you claim his body is both dead and alive in the same respect, which no Muslim does.

The same applies to the Qur'an:

The eternal Qur’an is the uncreated speech of Allah (Kalām Allāh).

The physical mushaf is a temporal medium that contains that speech in a created form.

Different manifestations, not contradictions. You’re confusing ontology (what something is in essence) with modality (how something appears or is transmitted). That’s your failure — not ours.

🚫 3. Your Quantum Analogy Still Doesn’t Work

Wave-particle duality does not teach that something is fully a wave and fully a particle at the same time in the same respect. It describes how subatomic entities display different properties depending on how they are observed.

That’s not a contradiction. That’s conditional behavior — which respects logic. Your Christology, however, violates the law of identity and non-contradiction.

You’re trying to justify metaphysical nonsense with scientific uncertainty. That’s intellectual laziness.

🔥 4. You’ve Resorted to Mockery Because You’ve Run Out of Reason

You call me a "denialist", accuse me of being “uneducated,” and liken Muslims to “Satanists.” This is pure emotional deflection. It is a clear admission that you cannot answer the contradiction posed in your own doctrine, so you resort to petulant sarcasm and pseudo-theological insults.

But fine — let’s return the favor, with substance.

⚔️ 5. You Attack Islam with Fallacies, Lies, and Fabricated Theology

Let’s demolish your points, one by one:

❌ “Allah is not omnipresent”

Correct — in Islamic theology, Allah is not inside creation. That’s not a weakness. That’s transcendence.

Unlike your god, who allegedly entered the womb of a woman, came out of her private parts, and was crucified by his own creation — our God is not bound by space, time, or flesh. He knows all things, hears all things, and is near without being physically “inside” creation.

That’s called divine perfection, not limitation.

❌ “Allah is not omniscient”

Your claims here are misinterpretations and distortions.

The sun “setting in a muddy spring” is the perceptual description in the story of Dhul Qarnayn — not a scientific claim.

The “tara’ib” issue is a misreading of Arabic grammar — and has been refuted by scholars for centuries.

Hail from the sky and stars as missiles? These are metaphors describing cosmic phenomena, not physics textbooks.

You think you’re making theological critiques, but you're just regurgitating orientalist misunderstandings that have been refuted in every serious tafsir.

Meanwhile, your own God didn’t know the fig season (Mark 11:13), claimed mustard seeds are the smallest seeds (which is false), and allegedly created light before the sun. Take the plank out of your own eye.

❌ “Allah is not omnipotent”

This is ironic. According to Christianity:

God died on a cross, cried on the cross, and begged to be saved.

God cannot forgive without blood.

God was powerless to send down a scripture without making Himself a human.

That’s impotence — not power.

Meanwhile, Allah says:
“When He wills a thing, He says to it, ‘Be!’ and it is.” (Qur'an 36:82)

No need to incarnate. No need to suffer. No need to die.

🚮 6. Your Attacks on Prophet Muhammad ﷺ Are Blasphemous and Ignorant

Let’s clarify:

Zayd’s divorce was initiated by him, and the marriage to Zaynab was by divine command to abolish pre-Islamic taboos — not justify sin.

Temporary marriage (mut'ah) was permissible for a time, then abrogated — that’s called gradual legislation, not “halal prostitution.”

As for “paradise with orgies” — that’s your vulgar mind talking. The pleasures of Jannah are beyond your comprehension. The Prophet ﷺ said:
“No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no heart has imagined what Allah has prepared…”

You ridicule what you don’t understand.

✅ Islamic Tawḥīd vs. Christian Contradiction

Let’s compare:

Islamic Monotheism:

One God.

Absolute oneness.

No contradictions.

No death of God.

No divine ignorance.

No humiliation of the Creator by His own creation.

Christian Trinitarianism:

Three “persons” but one essence (which no one can define).

God dies.

God weeps.

God gets tempted.

God doesn’t know the Hour.

God is hungry and whipped by Roman soldiers.

Then you say this is “the truth.”

You’ve taken Greek metaphysics, baptized it in confusion, and called it revelation.

🧠 Final Challenge: Can You Defend Christology with Logic?

> How can Jesus be fully God and fully man without violating the law of non-contradiction?

You’ve dodged this question repeatedly.

No amount of rhetorical noise will help you until you answer it. So I challenge you again:

Is Jesus omniscient or not?

Is he mortal or not?

Is he subject to temptation or not?

Pick a side — because claiming “both at once” is not theology. It’s intellectual suicide.

Return to the truth of pure monotheism.

One indivisible God.

Eternal.

All-Knowing.

All-Powerful.

Above His creation.

Free of contradiction.

This is Tawḥīd. This is Islam. This is reason aligned with revelation.

Now, unless you have a logical, coherent, and respectful answer to the contradiction within Christology — spare us the mockery and emotional theatrics.

Because theology is not a circus, and truth is not served by noise.

TenQ:
Who were these people of God?

Israel/Jacob is God's servant.
When the kings of the earth realized that Israel has been innocent all along, that is what they would say. Who has believed what we (the kings of the earth) have heard(Israel is innocent) and to whom was the right hand revealed

4 Indeed, he bore our illnesses, and our pains-he carried them, yet we accounted him as plagued, smitten by God and oppressed.
5 But he was pained because of our transgressions, crushed because of our iniquities; the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his wound we were healed.



It is the kings of the earth that is talking....they thought that God was punishing Israel through them.

sonmvayina:
Israel/Jacob is God's servant.
When the kings of the earth realized that Israel has been innocent all along, that is what they would say. Who has believed what we (the kings of the earth) have heard(Israel is innocent) and to whom was the right hand revealed

4 Indeed, he bore our illnesses, and our pains-he carried them, yet we accounted him as plagued, smitten by God and oppressed.
5 But he was pained because of our transgressions, crushed because of our iniquities; the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his wound we were healed.



It is the kings of the earth that is talking....they thought that God was punishing Israel through them.

If I understood you well
Vs 6 Israel (Jacob), has gone astray
God this laid on the Nation of Israel the Iniquity of Jacob

Is the people of God Isra-el?
I am not understanding?

Who are these people of God?




The Nation of Israel was wounded

JimRohn:
Your response is not only logically incoherent but laced with juvenile mockery and theological ignorance masquerading as cleverness. You confuse verbosity for reasoning, sarcasm for scholarship, and polemics for precision. Let’s strip away the noise and face your theological and philosophical failures point by point.

📌 1. You Still Don’t Understand the Argument — and Repetition Isn’t a Refutation

You have once again repeated your flawed analogy between the soul/body duality and the divine/human duality — despite it being thoroughly dismantled. You falsely assume that two complementary components (soul and body) in a created being can serve as an analogy for a logical contradiction in God’s essential attributes.

Let me spell this out for you one more time — slowly:

A soul can be immortal.

A body can be mortal.

These are not contradictions because they belong to different parts of the same human.

But what you claim about Jesus is that one single, unified person (not two beings) is:

Fully omniscient and ignorant at the same time

Fully immortal and mortal at the same time

Fully untemptable and tempted at the same time

This is not metaphysical complexity. It is a logical contradiction.

You claim the “Word became flesh.” Fine. Now answer: Did the divine Word lose divine attributes when it became flesh or not? If yes, then it was no longer fully God. If no, then it possessed contradictory attributes at once — which violates the law of non-contradiction.

You’re not answering the critique. You’re dodging it with false analogies and circular logic.

Khai!
Your willful ignorance is disheartening
You admit that
A soul can be immortal AND
A body can be mortal.

According to Christian theology
1. Is the Word Jesus (who created all things)
2. Is the Son of Mary (the human) still Jesus?

But you are still confused!?
You need help

JimRohn:
🔄 2. Your "Name Game" Questions Are Linguistic Red Herrings

You ask:

> What is the name of the soul of Moses in paradise?

> What is the name of the body of Moses in the grave?

The answer is obvious and already given: Moses. It’s one person with two components, each with different properties. But again, no contradiction arises unless you claim his body is both dead and alive in the same respect, which no Muslim does.

The same applies to the Qur'an:

The eternal Qur’an is the uncreated speech of Allah (Kalām Allāh).

The physical mushaf is a temporal medium that contains that speech in a created form.

Different manifestations, not contradictions. You’re confusing ontology (what something is in essence) with modality (how something appears or is transmitted). That’s your failure — not ours.

And you think When the Word became human, it is a contradiction
Like when Jibril (an Angel) became human, it is a contradiction!?

You need help sir!

JimRohn:
🚫 3. Your Quantum Analogy Still Doesn’t Work

Wave-particle duality does not teach that something is fully a wave and fully a particle at the same time in the same respect. It describes how subatomic entities display different properties depending on how they are observed.

That’s not a contradiction. That’s conditional behavior — which respects logic. Your Christology, however, violates the law of identity and non-contradiction.

You’re trying to justify metaphysical nonsense with scientific uncertainty. That’s intellectual laziness.

Are the characteristic properties of a wave and the characteristic property of particulate matter exactly the same and NOT contradictory?

I guess you should answer the question!


Of a truth, that yours is wilful self imposed ignorance
I am further convinced that you are a Denialist at heart as you combine an obstinate, unreasonable, dogmatic, partiality to plain doctrines.
The Truth is not important to people like you!

JimRohn:
🔥 4. You’ve Resorted to Mockery Because You’ve Run Out of Reason

You call me a "denialist", accuse me of being “uneducated,” and liken Muslims to “Satanists.” This is pure emotional deflection. It is a clear admission that you cannot answer the contradiction posed in your own doctrine, so you resort to petulant sarcasm and pseudo-theological insults.

But fine — let’s return the favor, with substance.

I have shown you that your easily understood Taoheed is applicable to Iblis.
So, how are you special!

Indeed, you are a denialist!
Just like in what is called "Trauma Bonding" , you defend the one taking you to hell fire.
It's the same characteristics of behaviour sir!

JimRohn:
⚔️ 5. You Attack Islam with Fallacies, Lies, and Fabricated Theology

Let’s demolish your points, one by one:

❌ “Allah is not omnipresent”

Correct — in Islamic theology, Allah is not inside creation. That’s not a weakness. That’s transcendence.

Unlike your god, who allegedly entered the womb of a woman, came out of her private parts, and was crucified by his own creation — our God is not bound by space, time, or flesh. He knows all things, hears all things, and is near without being physically “inside” creation.

That’s called divine perfection, not limitation.

Is air not above and below Allah?
Then, he is a subset of the universe and thus not Omnipresent!

JimRohn:
❌ “Allah is not omniscient”

Your claims here are misinterpretations and distortions.

The sun “setting in a muddy spring” is the perceptual description in the story of Dhul Qarnayn — not a scientific claim.

The “tara’ib” issue is a misreading of Arabic grammar — and has been refuted by scholars for centuries.

Hail from the sky and stars as missiles? These are metaphors describing cosmic phenomena, not physics textbooks.

You think you’re making theological critiques, but you're just regurgitating orientalist misunderstandings that have been refuted in every serious tafsir.

Meanwhile, your own God didn’t know the fig season (Mark 11:13), claimed mustard seeds are the smallest seeds (which is false), and allegedly created light before the sun. Take the plank out of your own eye.

All you need to do is to combine seen the sun setting in the horizon and finding a people near it: it is a perception IMPOSSIBILITY sir.
Did Dhul Qarnyn find the sun setting in a POOL or the Sea?

Allah's words must be re-interpreted as he cannot speak clearly.

JimRohn:
❌ “Allah is not omnipotent”
This is ironic. According to Christianity:
God died on a cross, cried on the cross, and begged to be saved.
God cannot forgive without blood.
God was powerless to send down a scripture without making Himself a human.
That’s impotence — not power.

Meanwhile, Allah says:
“When He wills a thing, He says to it, ‘Be!’ and it is.” (Qur'an 36:82)

No need to incarnate. No need to suffer. No need to die.

If Allah truely created the heavens and the earth, why does he mix up the sequence?
Why was it impossible for him to give Mohammed his most important prophet signs? Why always silly excuses?

JimRohn:
🚮 6. Your Attacks on Prophet Muhammad ﷺ Are Blasphemous and Ignorant
Let’s clarify:

Zayd’s divorce was initiated by him, and the marriage to Zaynab was by divine command to abolish pre-Islamic taboos — not justify sin.

Is this not shameful in your hearing?
Tell me,
Is it islamic for a Muslim man to enter into the house of a woman whose husband is not at home?

Who said this statement:
Praise be to Allah who makes my heart flip for you..
It was said to the hearing of the wife of a married woman who was a wife to a Muslim!

You will defend shamelessness I know!!

JimRohn:
Temporary marriage (mut'ah) was permissible for a time, then abrogated — that’s called gradual legislation, not “halal prostitution.”

As for “paradise with orgies” — that’s your vulgar mind talking. The pleasures of Jannah are beyond your comprehension. The Prophet ﷺ said:
“No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no heart has imagined what Allah has prepared…”

1. Did Allah allow Muslim men to operate a brothel with their girls?
Yes or No!
2. Did Allah abrogate Mutah anywhere in the Qur'an?
Yes or No?
3. Did any prophet before Islam allow halal prostitutions?

Paradise with orgies:
1. Is it UNTRUE that your prophet promised you endless erections?
2. Is it untrue that your job in paradise would be deflowering virgins?
3. Is it untrue that there is a market in paradise where you can point to any 3D image of men and women and go into them?
4. Is it untrue that FEMALE inmates of Hell would be given to Muslim men in paradise and the qualifications of those girls is simply because they have good cleavages (I don't want to use vulgar terms)?

And you say you paradise is not a brothel!

JimRohn:
You ridicule what you don’t understand.
✅ Islamic Tawḥīd vs. Christian Contradiction

Let’s compare:

Islamic Monotheism:

One God.

Absolute oneness.

No contradictions.

No death of God.

No divine ignorance.

No humiliation of the Creator by His own creation.

Christian Trinitarianism:

Three “persons” but one essence (which no one can define).

God dies.

God weeps.

God gets tempted.

God doesn’t know the Hour.

God is hungry and whipped by Roman soldiers.

Then you say this is “the truth.”

You’ve taken Greek metaphysics, baptized it in confusion, and called it revelation.

🧠 Final Challenge: Can You Defend Christology with Logic?

> How can Jesus be fully God and fully man without violating the law of non-contradiction?

You’ve dodged this question repeatedly.

No amount of rhetorical noise will help you until you answer it. So I challenge you again:

Is Jesus omniscient or not?

Is he mortal or not?

Is he subject to temptation or not?

Pick a side — because claiming “both at once” is not theology. It’s intellectual suicide.

Return to the truth of pure monotheism.

One indivisible God.

Eternal.

All-Knowing.

All-Powerful.

Above His creation.

Free of contradiction.

This is Tawḥīd. This is Islam. This is reason aligned with revelation.

Now, unless you have a logical, coherent, and respectful answer to the contradiction within Christology — spare us the mockery and emotional theatrics.

Because theology is not a circus, and truth is not served by noise.

First handle the gross difference between the God of Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus, then come back again!

Islam cannot handle scrutiny, it breaks down the twin towers an 9/11 in USA

There is no escaping for you sir. For if Allah is false, Islam is false.
Unfortunately for you, if we assume for the sake of argument that Allah is real, Christians, Jews and Sabeans (who worship stars) will enter paradise!

Is this confusion or ignorance of Mohammed?

TenQ:
Khai!
Your willful ignorance is disheartening
You admit that
A soul can be immortal AND
A body can be mortal.

According to Christian theology
1. Is the Word Jesus (who created all things)
2. Is the Son of Mary (the human) still Jesus?

But you are still confused!?
You need help



And you think When the Word became human, it is a contradiction
Like when Jibril (an Angel) became human, it is a contradiction!?

You need help sir!


Are the characteristic properties of a wave and the characteristic property of particulate matter exactly the same and NOT contradictory?

I guess you should answer the question!


Of a truth, that yours is wilful self imposed ignorance
I am further convinced that you are a Denialist at heart as you combine an obstinate, unreasonable, dogmatic, partiality to plain doctrines.
The Truth is not important to people like you!

Your emotional outburst and ad hominem tantrum only confirm what’s been clear from the start: when reason fails, you resort to insult. You’ve abandoned rational argument and now accuse me of "willful ignorance" while dodging every logical challenge I’ve placed before you.

Let me respond in kind—without theatrics, just truth.

📌 1. You Still Don’t Understand What a Contradiction Is

You shouted:

> “A soul can be immortal AND a body can be mortal.”

And I already agreed—because they are two different components of one being. There’s no contradiction in Moses having a mortal body and an immortal soul—because those are distinct parts.

Now compare that to your doctrine:

You claim Jesus is one person—not two.

And this one person is:

Fully God (eternal, omniscient, untemptable)

Fully man (mortal, ignorant, tempted)

That’s not two components with different roles. That’s one subject with contradictory attributes. And unlike body and soul, divinity and humanity are metaphysically exclusive.

You still haven’t answered:

> When Jesus hungered, did God hunger?

> When Jesus said, “I don’t know the Hour,” did God not know?

> When Jesus died, did God die?

You dodge. You spin. You name-call. But you don’t answer—because the only options are:

1. The divine lost divine attributes (so no longer God)

2. The human was just an illusion (so no real incarnation)

3. You affirm contradictions (so logic is dead)

Pick your poison. Because all three are fatal to your theology.

🚫 2. You Repeated the Quantum Analogy — And Still Don’t Understand It

You asked:

> “Are the properties of wave and particle not contradictory?”

No. They are complementary, not contradictory. Learn the difference.

In physics, wave-particle duality means subatomic entities behave differently based on observation and interaction. But they never manifest two contradictory properties at the same time in the same way.

Your Christology, however, claims one person is:

Immutable and changeable

Infinite and finite

Almighty and helpless

Simultaneously. In the same person. Without qualification.

That is not complexity. That is philosophical suicide.

And no, Jibril becoming human is not comparable—because an angel is created, and taking a different created form doesn’t involve contradiction. But you are saying that the uncreated became created, the infinite entered finitude, and the eternal was born. That’s not a mystery. It’s blasphemy dressed as theology.

🔥 3. You Rant, Because You Have No Response

Your final resort is to declare me a “denialist” because I reject your incoherent doctrine. That’s not an argument. That’s a confession of defeat.

You accuse me of being “dogmatic”? I’m using the same logic you apply to all other religions when you reject their gods, prophets, or scriptures. I simply apply it consistently—to Christianity as well.

You appeal to emotion. I appeal to reason.

You hide behind “mystery.” I expose contradictions.

You rely on inherited dogma. I rely on coherent monotheism.

❗️Islam: Where Logic Meets Revelation

Unlike Trinitarianism, Islam never asks us to believe that the Creator became creation, or that the all-knowing became ignorant, or that God died.

> “He neither begets nor is begotten.” (Qur’an 112:3)

Not because we lack imagination, but because we refuse to violate reason.

We submit to the truth without needing to suspend logic to believe it.

So here’s your challenge:

Either explain how “God died” is not a contradiction, or admit your doctrine depends on abandoning reason.

And if you can’t distinguish between a paradox and a contradiction, then you don’t need a debate—you need a dictionary.

TenQ:
I have shown you that your easily understood Taoheed is applicable to Iblis.
So, how are you special!

Indeed, you are a denialist!
Just like in what is called "Trauma Bonding" , you defend the one taking you to hell fire.
It's the same characteristics of behaviour sir!



Is air not above and below Allah?
Then, he is a subset of the universe and thus not Omnipresent!



All you need to do is to combine seen the sun setting in the horizon and finding a people near it: it is a perception IMPOSSIBILITY sir.
Did Dhul Qarnyn find the sun setting in a POOL or the Sea?

Allah's words must be re-interpreted as he cannot speak clearly.


If Allah truely created the heavens and the earth, why does he mix up the sequence?
Why was it impossible for him to give Mohammed his most important prophet signs? Why always silly excuses?



Is this not shameful in your hearing?
Tell me,
Is it islamic for a Muslim man to enter into the house of a woman whose husband is not at home?

Who said this statement:
Praise be to Allah who makes my heart flip for you..
It was said to the hearing of the wife of a married woman who was a wife to a Muslim!

You will defend shamelessness I know!!



1. Did Allah allow Muslim men to operate a brothel with their girls?
Yes or No!
2. Did Allah abrogate Mutah anywhere in the Qur'an?
Yes or No?
3. Did any prophet before Islam allow halal prostitutions?

Paradise with orgies:
1. Is it UNTRUE that your prophet promised you endless erections?
2. Is it untrue that your job in paradise would be deflowering virgins?
3. Is it untrue that there is a market in paradise where you can point to any 3D image of men and women and go into them?
4. Is it untrue that FEMALE inmates of Hell would be given to Muslim men in paradise and the qualifications of those girls is simply because they have good cleavages (I don't want to use vulgar terms)?

And you say you paradise is not a brothel!



First handle the gross difference between the God of Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus, then come back again!

Islam cannot handle scrutiny, it breaks down the twin towers an 9/11 in USA

There is no escaping for you sir. For if Allah is false, Islam is false.
Unfortunately for you, if we assume for the sake of argument that Allah is real, Christians, Jews and Sabeans (who worship stars) will enter paradise!

Is this confusion or ignorance of Mohammed?

🔥 Enough Screaming. Let’s Dissect Your Delusions — Piece by Pathetic Piece

Your entire reply is not a theological argument. It’s a desperate rant — an incoherent fusion of Islamophobic slogans, missionary myths, and juvenile filth masquerading as a debate.

You didn't respond to a single logical point I raised. Instead, you hurled accusations, fabricated hadiths, and weaponized vulgarity like an online troll who lost the argument 10 messages ago.

But since you insist on exposing your ignorance, let me gladly put it on display.

⚔️ 1. You Compared Tawḥīd to Iblīs?

Congratulations. You’ve officially abandoned all theological sanity.

Yes, Iblīs believes in one God — but refuses to submit. That's called kufr, not tawḥīd. Even Pharaoh said "I am your lord most high." Does that make him a monotheist?

Monotheism isn’t merely stating “God is one.” It’s worshipping Him alone, without idols, sons, or co-equal persons. Your god-man theology is the very shirk Iblīs promotes — not what he practices.

So thank you for proving: Tawḥīd is intact, and Christianity is Iblīs’s theology — because only Satan benefits from turning God into a man who gets crucified.

🧠 2. You Say “Air is Around God” — So God Isn’t Omnipresent?

This is your idea of a philosophical point?

Islam teaches that Allah is not a physical body inside space. That doesn’t mean He’s “boxed in” by creation — it means He’s transcendent, unlike your god who was nailed to a cross and needed someone to feed him.

You don’t even understand your own critique. Omnipresence doesn’t mean "God is part of the air.” It means God’s knowledge, power, and will encompass all things — without being physically in the creation.

> “There is nothing like unto Him.” (Qur’an 42:11)

We don’t turn God into an atom or a man — you do.

📚 3. Your Attacks on the Qur’an Are Laughably Weak

You said the sun can’t set in a muddy spring? No kidding.

The verse says:

> “He found it setting in a dark, muddy spring…”
(Qur’an 18:86)

It’s describing Dhul Qarnayn’s perspective, not a physics textbook. The same way your own Bible says:

> “The sun rises and sets” (Ecclesiastes 1:5)

Are we to believe your Bible is false too?

As for creation sequence — read Surah 41 properly. Allah says:

He created the earth in two periods.

Then turned to the sky while it was smoke.

Then completed the heavens and spread the earth.

Not mixed up — just your inability to read Arabic or tafsīr.

🤥 4. You Lie About Prophet Muhammad ﷺ

Let’s tackle your filth point by point:

❌ “Your Prophet entered a house of a woman alone.”

Baseless. This is pure missionary slander with no authentic narration.

❌ “Praise be to Allah who makes my heart flip…”

A weak narration, distorted in meaning, with no connection to sin. Unlike your Bible, where David lusts after Bathsheba, commits adultery, and kills her husband (2 Samuel 11). And yet you call him a prophet?

❌ “Did Allah allow brothels?”

No. Islam outlawed all forms of prostitution, including pagan practices of temple sex slavery. You’re confusing temporary marriage (which was legislated in a specific wartime context and later abrogated) with harlotry — again showing your ignorance.

❌ “Is Mut'ah in the Qur’an?”

Yes — it was permitted in 4:24. Then abrogated by the Prophet ﷺ, just like alcohol was gradually prohibited. That’s called progressive revelation, something your own Bible admits in Hebrews 7:12.

❌ “Endless erections? Virgin deflowering? 3D market orgies?”

You're not quoting Islam — you’re quoting orientalist lies, fabricated narrations, and perverse interpretations invented by enemies of Islam to insult Paradise.

> “No soul knows what joy is hidden for them…” (Qur’an 32:17)

That’s what Allah promised — not your twisted fantasies.

Meanwhile, let’s talk about your “heaven”:

> “They will be like the angels in heaven, neither marrying nor given in marriage.”
(Matthew 22:30)

So your eternal reward is what? Celibate angelhood?

Enjoy your ghost-like eternity while mocking the reward of Jannah, which Allah prepared for those who believe and do righteous deeds — not idolaters who call a man “God.”

🤯 5. You Said 9/11 Was a Breakdown of Islam?

That’s your climax? A terrorist attack done by a deviant group — as if that proves a theological doctrine false?

Shall we judge Christianity by the Inquisition, the Crusades, the colonial genocide of Africa, or the burning of women as witches?

You don’t want to go down that road.

🚨 6. Final Exposure: You Still Can’t Defend the Trinity

I asked you logical questions — and you dodged every single one:

Can God be omniscient and ignorant at the same time?

Can God die and remain immortal?

Can God be tempted while being untemptable?

Instead of answering, you rage-type insults and babble nonsense.

So once again, here is your intellectual noose:

> If Jesus is fully God and fully man, Then he is both mortal and immortal, Omniscient and ignorant, Tempted and untemptable.

This is not deep. It is delusion.

🛡️ Islam Stands. Christianity Falls.

Islam:

One indivisible God.

Eternal, unchanging, omnipotent.

Revelation free of contradictions.

A Prophet of moral perfection.

Scripture preserved.


Christianity:

God died.

God cried.

God got whipped by Romans.

God doesn’t know the Hour.

Scripture corrupted by councils.

Trinity that defies all logic and all prophets before.


So here’s my challenge — again:

> ❓ Can you defend the core of Christology without contradiction?

No diversions. No mockery. No missionary filth. Just answer:

How can one being be 100% God and 100% man without violating the law of non-contradiction?

Until then, know this:

We are Muslims. We worship the Eternal God.

You are grasping at smoke — and calling it truth.

CreativeOrbit:
Thank you for your thoughtful reply and for engaging with the question in a serious manner. I appreciate your distinction between what the Scriptures actually teach and what many church traditions have come to assert — particularly regarding the divinity of Jesus (peace be upon him).

You made several important points, which I would like to address briefly and respectfully, from an Islamic theological standpoint:

🔹 1. Jesus as a Prophet Like Moses (Deut. 18:18)

Indeed, Deuteronomy 18:18 prophesies about a prophet like Moses. We Muslims fully affirm this — and we believe this prophecy finds its ultimate and complete fulfillment not in Jesus, but in Muhammad ﷺ, who, like Moses:

Brought a complete law (Shariah/Torah)

Was born naturally (unlike Jesus’ miraculous birth)

Was a statesman, leader, and lawgiver

Lived a full human life with children and nation-building responsibilities

Jesus (peace be upon him), while greatly honored, had a fundamentally different mission and life — one of calling the Children of Israel back to true monotheism, not to deliver a new comprehensive law or form a political state.

🔹 2. Moses Was "God" in Exodus 7:1?

Exodus 7:1 says:

> "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh..."

This is clearly metaphorical. The verse uses the phrase "like God" or "as God" — not that Moses was literally God. It simply means he was given authority to speak and act with divine backing, especially in his confrontations with Pharaoh. This linguistic usage does not imply ontological divinity. In fact, the Bible often uses such metaphorical language (e.g., Psalm 82:6 — “You are gods, sons of the Most High,” referring to human judges).

Likewise, being given power to perform miracles does not make one divine. Many prophets were empowered by God to perform miraculous deeds — including Elijah, Elisha, and Moses — yet none were called divine.

🔹 3. Jesus’ Pre-Human Existence (John 8:58)

You mentioned John 8:58 ("Before Abraham was, I am" as evidence of Jesus’ pre-existence. However:

Pre-existence does not equal divinity. From the Islamic perspective, all souls exist in a pre-worldly state (see Qur’an 7:172). Even angels pre-exist — yet they are not divine.

The phrase “I am” (Greek: ego eimi) does not necessarily denote Godhood. It can simply be a declaration of existence or role. Context matters, and many scholars argue that Trinitarian interpretation of this phrase reads too much into the text.

🔹 4. Hebrews 5:7 – Jesus Begging God for Help

You rightly noted:

> “During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death...” — Hebrews 5:7

This verse directly undercuts the idea of Jesus being Almighty God. A being who prays, cries, and begs for deliverance is not the One who answers prayers, but the one in need of help. By definition, God does not cry for rescue — He rescues.

🔹 5. Islamic Perspective: Absolute Monotheism (Tawhid)

Islam offers a clear and uncompromising vision of God's nature:

God is One, Unique, Eternal

He does not beget, nor is He begotten (Qur’an 112)

He is not subject to hunger, sleep, weakness, or death (Qur’an 2:255)

Prophets — including Jesus — are honored servants and messengers, not incarnations of God

This clarity avoids the theological dilemma of reconciling divine perfection with human weakness.

🤝 Final Reflection

I truly respect your willingness to challenge mainstream doctrine and look at the scriptures afresh. In that spirit, I gently invite you to consider: if Jesus (peace be upon him) is not Almighty God — as your message suggests — then isn't it time to reassess the entire Trinitarian framework, which is nowhere explicitly taught by Jesus himself?

Islam offers a return to the pure monotheism preached by Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad (peace be upon them all) — to worship the One Creator without intermediaries or divine partners.

May God guide us all to truth and sincerity.
Peace be upon you.

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I really appreciate the respectful and thoughtful way you’ve laid out your perspective. It’s refreshing to see someone dive into these deep theological questions with such clarity and sincerity. Your focus on monotheism and the Islamic view of Jesus as a prophet resonates with a desire to keep faith pure and centered on God alone, which is something many Christians also hold dear.

From a Christian perspective, I’d like to add a bit to the conversation. The idea of Jesus’ divinity in Christianity doesn’t come from equating him with God in a way that cancels out monotheism but from seeing him as the unique expression of God’s presence among us. For example, in John 1, Jesus is described as the "Word" who was with God and was God, yet the passage still emphasizes one God. It’s a mystery that’s tough to wrap our heads around, but it’s meant to show God’s love in coming close to humanity, not to create multiple gods.

Your point about Hebrews 5:7 is powerful—it shows Jesus’ humanity so clearly. Christians see this not as a contradiction to his divinity but as part of the beauty of the Incarnation: God chose to experience human weakness to connect with us. It’s like a parent getting down on the floor to play with their child—not less powerful, but more loving.

I also hear your call to reassess the Trinity. It’s true that the word “Trinity” isn’t in the Bible, but Christians point to passages like Matthew 28:19, where Jesus speaks of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, as hinting at a relational unity in God. It’s less about three gods and more about one God in three persons, though I’ll admit it’s a concept that stretches human language to its limits.

Your emphasis on Tawhid reminds me of the importance of keeping God at the center, without distractions. That’s a challenge for Christians too, as we wrestle with how to honor Jesus while staying true to one God. Thanks for pushing the conversation forward—it’s a great reminder to keep seeking truth with an open heart.

I will answer just the first part to prove to you that you are an unrepentant deliberate and confirmed Denyalist!
Prove me wrong!

JimRohn:
Your emotional outburst and ad hominem tantrum only confirm what’s been clear from the start: when reason fails, you resort to insult. You’ve abandoned rational argument and now accuse me of "willful ignorance" while dodging every logical challenge I’ve placed before you.

You give the impression of one who just heard of the English word from the dictionary and decides to use it whether he understand them or not. Same way when you began to throw around words like metaphysical and ontological without knowing their meanings.

JimRohn:
Let me respond in kind—without theatrics, just truth.
1. You Still Don’t Understand What a Contradiction Is
You shouted:
> “A soul can be immortal AND a body can be mortal.”
And I already agreed—because they are two different components of one being. There’s no contradiction in Moses having a mortal body and an immortal soul—because those are distinct parts.

You are the one who doesn't know what a contradiction is and you give examples in similitude to " An Orange is contradictory to an Apple" and you fly with it as truth.

At least, here you agree that
A Human Being of Identity AAA = BODY
A Human Being of Identity AAA = SOUL

Thus the BODY and SOUL are distinct parts of the same Human Identity AAA and THUS, the SOUL can be Immortal while the BODY is Mortal
Is this correct?

JimRohn:
Now compare that to your doctrine:
You claim Jesus is one person—not two.
And this one person is:
Fully God (eternal, omniscient, untemptable)
Fully man (mortal, ignorant, tempted)

That’s not two components with different roles. That’s one subject with contradictory attributes. And unlike body and soul, divinity and humanity are metaphysically exclusive.

Let me test your Comprehension

Using the same Argument

A Being of Identity Jesus = THE WORD
A Being of Identity Jesus = MAN


Thus the HUMAN andTHE WORD are distinct parts of the same Identity Jesus and THUS, THE WORD can be Immortal while the HUMAN is Mortal
Is this correct?

JimRohn:
You still haven’t answered:
> When Jesus hungered, did God hunger?
> When Jesus said, “I don’t know the Hour,” did God not know?
> When Jesus died, did God die?
You dodge. You spin. You name-call. But you don’t answer—because the only options are:
1. The divine lost divine attributes (so no longer God)
2. The human was just an illusion (so no real incarnation)
3. You affirm contradictions (so logic is dead)

Wrong Question:
When the Body of the Human Jesus hungered, did the WORD Hunger? NO!
When the Body of the Human Jesus died, did the WORD Die? NO!
When the Body of the Human Jesus felt PAIN, did the WORD feel Pain? NO!

So, answer your own question again
When the Body of the Human Identity "AAA" died, did the SOUL die?
When the Body of the Human Identity "AAA" was Buried, was the SOUL Buried?
When the Body of the Human Identity "AAA" was Cut, was the SOUL Cut?

If your answers are NO: then resolve the CONTRADICTIONS if you think these are contradictions!


Again:
1. When Jibril INCARNATED as a perfect man, did he cease being an Angel?
2. Did the INCARNATED Jibril have the characteristics of a Man or the Characteristics of Angels ?
In similar manner:
3. When the WORD INCARNATED as Jesus the Man, Did He cease being God?

I can almost predict your answers:
And your preemptive response is why I call you a Denialist as by nature, you will deny the above and repeat your questions borne out of gross ignorance.

TenQ:
I will answer just the first part to prove to you that you are an unrepentant deliberate and confirmed Denyalist!
Prove me wrong!

You give the impression of one who just heard of the English word from the dictionary and decides to use it whether he understand them or not. Same way when you began to throw around words like metaphysical and ontological without knowing their meanings.


You are the one who doesn't know what a contradiction is and you give examples in similitude to " An Orange is contradictory to an Apple" and you fly with it as truth.

At least, here you agree that
A Human Being of Identity AAA = BODY
A Human Being of Identity AAA = SOUL

Thus the BODY and SOUL are distinct parts of the same Human Identity AAA and THUS, the SOUL can be Immortal while the BODY is Mortal
Is this correct?



Let me test your Comprehension

Using the same Argument

A Being of Identity Jesus = THE WORD
A Being of Identity Jesus = MAN


Thus the HUMAN andTHE WORD are distinct parts of the same Identity Jesus and THUS, THE WORD can be Immortal while the HUMAN is Mortal
Is this correct?


Wrong Question:
When the Body of the Human Jesus hungered, did the WORD Hunger? NO!
When the Body of the Human Jesus died, did the WORD Die? NO!
When the Body of the Human Jesus felt PAIN, did the WORD feel Pain? NO!

So, answer your own question again
When the Body of the Human Identity "AAA" died, did the SOUL die?
When the Body of the Human Identity "AAA" was Buried, was the SOUL Buried?
When the Body of the Human Identity "AAA" was Cut, was the SOUL Cut?

If your answers are NO: then resolve the CONTRADICTIONS if you think these are contradictions!


Again:
1. When Jibril INCARNATED as a perfect man, did he cease being an Angel?
2. Did the INCARNATED Jibril have the characteristics of a Man or the Characteristics of Angels ?
In similar manner:
3. When the WORD INCARNATED as Jesus the Man, Did He cease being God?

I can almost predict your answers:
And your preemptive response is why I call you a Denialist as by nature, you will deny the above and repeat your questions borne out of gross ignorance.

To the one who dodges clear contradictions with philosophical gymnastics,

You can twist words, invent analogies, and create imaginary metaphysical categories all you like — but you will not escape the fatal blow that reality deals to your theology:

> God cannot be tempted. Jesus was tempted. Therefore, Jesus is not God.

Now instead of answering this contradiction, you ran behind a wall of pseudo-intellectual babble about "identity" and "body/soul dualism" like you're lecturing from a failed seminary.

Let’s dissect your circus act.

🔥 1. Your Soul-Body Analogy is a Theological Joke

You said:

> “When the body of Jesus suffered, the Word did not suffer. Just like when your body is cut, your soul isn’t.”

This is a poor attempt to excuse the absolute contradiction of your belief. You’re comparing the eternal, unchanging nature of God to a soul inhabiting a body — but here’s your error:

🔻 The soul is created. God is not.
🔻 The soul is distinct from the body. But in your belief, Jesus IS FULLY GOD and FULLY MAN — not just inhabited by the Word.
🔻 You claim Jesus is God, not just that he contains the divine Word.

So if Jesus IS God, and Jesus was tempted, then God was tempted — which contradicts James 1:13. Your analogy falls apart on impact.

🤡 2. You Keep Saying “THE WORD” Didn’t Die — But the Bible Says Otherwise

If “The Word” didn’t die — then congratulations, you’ve just nullified the crucifixion.

Who died for your sins? The “man” part only?

But your doctrine claims: “God died for us.”

Yet you just said: “God (the Word) didn’t die.”

So either:

✅ You admit Jesus wasn’t God, and it was just a man who died (which invalidates your atonement),
or
❌ You accept that God died, which is blasphemy and logically impossible.

Pick your poison. You can’t have it both ways.

💣 3. The “Incarnated God” Fantasy is Pure Pagan Invention

You asked:

> “Did the Word cease being God when incarnated as man?”

Let’s ask you instead:

> Did the Almighty Creator, the Sustainer of the heavens and the earth, become a helpless baby? Did He get hungry, cry, sleep, bleed, and die?

That’s not a God. That’s a Greek myth with Hebrew labels.

The concept of an “incarnated God” is not monotheism — it is the exact pagan nonsense the prophets were sent to destroy.

No prophet — not Adam, not Noah, not Moses, not even Jesus — ever taught that God became a man. This idea is a Christian innovation, imported from Roman theology and wrapped in the name of Jesus.

📖 4. Your Bible Refutes You, Not Us

You referenced “the Word became flesh” (John 1:14) — as if that justifies divine mutation.

But let’s remind you:

The Bible says “God is not a man” — Numbers 23:19

The Bible says “No one has seen God at any time” — John 1:18

The Bible says “God cannot be tempted” — James 1:13

The Bible says “God is immortal” — 1 Timothy 6:16

You can invent a thousand analogies — but your Bible has already condemned your theology as contradictory and false.

🕋 5. The Islamic View: No Confusion, No Contradiction

In Islam:

God is absolutely One — indivisible, eternal, self-sufficient.

He does not become His creation, nor does He change His essence.

Jesus (peace be upon him) was a mighty prophet, born miraculously, but never divine.

This view doesn’t need philosophical acrobatics to make sense. It’s pure, consistent, and honored by every prophet, not just Islam.

✅ Final Word

You called me a “denyalist” — but what am I denying?

I deny:

That God can die

That God can be tempted

That God becomes a man

That God needs to eat, sleep, or bleed

I deny paganism dressed in a priest’s robes.

You can cling to your invented metaphors and soul-body excuses. But at the end of the day, your God died on a cross, and your scripture says God is immortal.

That is not theology.
That is idolatry wrapped in philosophy.

Now, if you want to debate further, bring a real answer, not emotional tantrums. Until then, your Trinitarian house of cards stands refuted by its own contradictions.

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JimRohn:
To the one who dodges clear contradictions with philosophical gymnastics,

You can twist words, invent analogies, and create imaginary metaphysical categories all you like — but you will not escape the fatal blow that reality deals to your theology:

Indeed you are a denialist to the core!
It is either you piece by piece dismantle my argument and answer my questions otherwise, it is a complete waste of time discussing with you!

AGAIN:
I will answer just the first part to prove to you that you are an unrepentant deliberate and confirmed Denialist!
Prove me wrong!
No long grammar, Address the issue at stake!

JimRohn:
Your emotional outburst and ad hominem tantrum only confirm what’s been clear from the start: when reason fails, you resort to insult. You’ve abandoned rational argument and now accuse me of "willful ignorance" while dodging every logical challenge I’ve placed before you.

You give the impression of one who just heard of the English word from the dictionary and decides to use it whether he understand them or not. Same way when you began to throw around words like metaphysical and ontological without knowing their meanings.

JimRohn:
Let me respond in kind—without theatrics, just truth.
1. You Still Don’t Understand What a Contradiction Is
You shouted:
> “A soul can be immortal AND a body can be mortal.”
And I already agreed—because they are two different components of one being. There’s no contradiction in Moses having a mortal body and an immortal soul—because those are distinct parts.

You are the one who doesn't know what a contradiction is and you give examples in similitude to " An Orange is contradictory to an Apple" and you fly with it as truth.

At least, here you agree that
A Human Being of Identity AAA = BODY
A Human Being of Identity AAA = SOUL

Thus the BODY and SOUL are distinct parts of the same Human Identity AAA and THUS, the SOUL can be Immortal while the BODY is Mortal
Is this correct?

JimRohn:
Now compare that to your doctrine:
You claim Jesus is one person—not two.
And this one person is:
Fully God (eternal, omniscient, untemptable)
Fully man (mortal, ignorant, tempted)

That’s not two components with different roles. That’s one subject with contradictory attributes. And unlike body and soul, divinity and humanity are metaphysically exclusive.

Let me test your Comprehension

Using the same Argument

A Being of Identity Jesus = THE WORD
A Being of Identity Jesus = MAN


Thus the HUMAN andTHE WORD are distinct parts of the same Identity Jesus and THUS, THE WORD can be Immortal while the HUMAN is Mortal
Is this correct?

JimRohn:
You still haven’t answered:
> When Jesus hungered, did God hunger?
> When Jesus said, “I don’t know the Hour,” did God not know?
> When Jesus died, did God die?
You dodge. You spin. You name-call. But you don’t answer—because the only options are:
1. The divine lost divine attributes (so no longer God)
2. The human was just an illusion (so no real incarnation)
3. You affirm contradictions (so logic is dead)

Wrong Question:
When the Body of the Human Jesus hungered, did the WORD Hunger? NO!
When the Body of the Human Jesus died, did the WORD Die? NO!
When the Body of the Human Jesus felt PAIN, did the WORD feel Pain? NO!

So, answer your own question again
When the Body of the Human Identity "AAA" died, did the SOUL die?
When the Body of the Human Identity "AAA" was Buried, was the SOUL Buried?
When the Body of the Human Identity "AAA" was Cut, was the SOUL Cut?

If your answers are NO: then resolve the CONTRADICTIONS if you think these are contradictions!


Again:
1. When Jibril INCARNATED as a perfect man, did he cease being an Angel?
2. Did the INCARNATED Jibril have the characteristics of a Man or the Characteristics of Angels ?
In similar manner:
3. When the WORD INCARNATED as Jesus the Man, Did He cease being God?

I can almost predict your answers:
And your preemptive response is why I call you a Denialist as by nature, you will deny the above and repeat your questions borne out of gross ignorance.

TenQ:
Indeed you are a denialist to the core!
It is either you piece by piece dismantle my argument and answer my questions otherwise, it is a complete waste of time discussing with you!

AGAIN:
I will answer just the first part to prove to you that you are an unrepentant deliberate and confirmed Denialist!
Prove me wrong!
No long grammar, Address the issue at stake!


You give the impression of one who just heard of the English word from the dictionary and decides to use it whether he understand them or not. Same way when you began to throw around words like metaphysical and ontological without knowing their meanings.


You are the one who doesn't know what a contradiction is and you give examples in similitude to " An Orange is contradictory to an Apple" and you fly with it as truth.

At least, here you agree that
A Human Being of Identity AAA = BODY
A Human Being of Identity AAA = SOUL

Thus the BODY and SOUL are distinct parts of the same Human Identity AAA and THUS, the SOUL can be Immortal while the BODY is Mortal
Is this correct?



Let me test your Comprehension

Using the same Argument

A Being of Identity Jesus = THE WORD
A Being of Identity Jesus = MAN


Thus the HUMAN andTHE WORD are distinct parts of the same Identity Jesus and THUS, THE WORD can be Immortal while the HUMAN is Mortal
Is this correct?


Wrong Question:
When the Body of the Human Jesus hungered, did the WORD Hunger? NO!
When the Body of the Human Jesus died, did the WORD Die? NO!
When the Body of the Human Jesus felt PAIN, did the WORD feel Pain? NO!

So, answer your own question again
When the Body of the Human Identity "AAA" died, did the SOUL die?
When the Body of the Human Identity "AAA" was Buried, was the SOUL Buried?
When the Body of the Human Identity "AAA" was Cut, was the SOUL Cut?

If your answers are NO: then resolve the CONTRADICTIONS if you think these are contradictions!


Again:
1. When Jibril INCARNATED as a perfect man, did he cease being an Angel?
2. Did the INCARNATED Jibril have the characteristics of a Man or the Characteristics of Angels ?
In similar manner:
3. When the WORD INCARNATED as Jesus the Man, Did He cease being God?

I can almost predict your answers:
And your preemptive response is why I call you a Denialist as by nature, you will deny the above and repeat your questions borne out of gross ignorance.

Your emotional outburst and petty insults are a clear indication that you are unable to intellectually and theologically handle the implications of your own doctrine. Throwing around words like “denialist” repeatedly does not answer the serious contradictions I raised. It only exposes your frustration and inability to reconcile the clear inconsistencies in Trinitarian theology.

Let’s get to the core issue — without your dramatics.

1. Your "Soul and Body" Analogy Fails Miserably

You attempt to use the human composition of body and soul as a parallel for Jesus being both God and man. This analogy collapses instantly.

The body and soul are two parts of one created being — a human.

Jesus being both fully God and fully man is not a union of two created substances, but an alleged union of the Infinite (God) and the finite (man).

Unlike body and soul, God is uncreated, eternal, omnipotent, and unchanging. Man is created, limited, and mortal. Merging the two results in a contradiction in essence.

So no — your analogy fails. God is not comparable to a human soul, and your attempt to smuggle in Trinitarian confusion through a simplistic soul-body example is intellectually dishonest.

2. You Didn’t Answer the Question — You Evaded It

I asked:

> If Jesus is God, how can he hunger, not know the Hour, and be tempted by Satan — when God by definition is free of these limitations?

You replied with:

> “When the body of Jesus hungered, did the Word hunger? No!”

This is nothing but theological double-speak.

If Jesus is fully God and fully man, then when he is tempted, YOU CANNOT claim “only the man part was tempted” and “the God part was not.”

You don’t get to divide Jesus into parts when it becomes inconvenient. That’s called Nestorian heresy — separating the divine and human natures of Christ as if they operate independently.

If only the man part hungered, died, or lacked knowledge, then your doctrine of hypostatic union becomes meaningless. You’ve split Jesus into two beings — which destroys the “fully God, fully man” claim.

So again, your reply dodges the real contradiction by smuggling in theological sleight of hand.

3. Temptation Is a Moral Test — Not Just Physical

You wrote:

> “The Word was not tempted, only the human body.”

Then how do you explain James 1:13:

> “God cannot be tempted by evil.”

If Jesus is God, and he was tempted by Satan (Matthew 4:1), you have a contradiction.

You can’t say, “only the human side was tempted,” because temptation targets the will — and according to your theology, Jesus has one unified will, not two separate agents.

If Jesus was truly tempted, he was either susceptible to evil (which disqualifies him as God), or the entire temptation was a sham and meaningless — which makes the Bible deceptive.

4. Your Jibril Comparison Is Another Failure

You bring up Angel Jibril (Gabriel) appearing as a man. You ask:

> “Did he stop being an angel?”

No — but Gabriel never claimed to be BOTH man and angel at the same time in essence.

He appeared in human form, but no Muslim says “Jibril is fully man and fully angel.”

He was still functionally an angel, not ontologically a man.

Your attempt to compare this to the ontological claim that Jesus is God and is man simultaneously is a red herring.

5. What You're Really Doing: Playing Mental Gymnastics

You’ve reduced theology to a gymnastics contest:

When Jesus is hungry — “that’s just the man.”

When Jesus walks on water — “that’s God.”

When Jesus doesn’t know the Hour — “that’s the man again.”

When he forgives sins — “ah, that’s God again.”

This is not theology. This is intellectual fraud.

The very idea of being "fully God and fully man" at the same time, in one person, leads to absurdity. You are not explaining a mystery — you are defending a contradiction.

✦ Final Reminder:

In Islam, there is no confusion.

God is God — eternal, all-knowing, above all weakness.
Jesus (peace be upon him) is a noble Prophet and Messiah — but a servant of God, not God Himself.

The One God is not composed, not incarnate, not tempted, and not crucified. He is above such limitations.

So if you're done with childish name-calling and personal attacks, and you're ready to actually defend your theology logically, then I’m here.

Otherwise, keep shouting “Denialist” — it only confirms you’ve already lost the argument.

Hello Jim Thank you for your respectful and honest question. It’s a deep one, and many Christians have asked the same over time so you’re not alone.

Here’s how we see it as Christians:

1. Jesus was truly God, but he also became truly human.
When Jesus came to this world, he didn’t just wear human skin like a costume he became a real human being. That means he could feel hunger, pain, tiredness, and temptation, just like the rest of us. But that doesn’t mean he stopped being God. He was both God and man at the same time.

2. God cannot be tempted, yes but Jesus was tempted as a human.
As God, he cannot sin or be tempted. But as a man, Jesus allowed himself to be tested to show us that it’s possible to overcome temptation. He was like us in every way, except he never sinned (Hebrews 4:15). His temptation was real, but he didn’t fall.

3. When Jesus said he didn’t know the Day of Judgment, he was speaking as a man.
The Bible says Jesus “emptied himself” (Philippians 2:7). That means he left some of his powers aside when he came to earth. He humbled himself to live like us depending on God the Father for everything. That’s why sometimes he spoke with human limitation not because he isn’t God, but because he chose to live fully as a man too.

4. Why did God become man at all?
It was love. Pure love. God became a man in Jesus so that he could feel our pain, carry our sins, and save us. He didn’t come as a rich king or a spirit floating in the clouds he came as one of us, so he could lift us up.

We respect that Muslims believe differently, and we agree that God is one. But in Christianity, God’s oneness is not simple it's deep. One God, but in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

We appreciate this kind of honest conversation. God bless you as you seek Truth. 🙏🏽