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smtx:
Environment being dirty is not life threatening.... It's two different scenarios.

It's just an example. I'm sure you won't do whatever is not your job description. The job description of every rank and file is well spelt out to avoid clash of duties

All of you exonerating the woman are fools.


As a professional whose job is to save life, what effort did she make to get the porters? From her attitude did she show any concern, any feeling of empathy, did she behave as if there's a situation at hand? If the victim was her father or husband was that the way she would have reacted?




Anyway Nigeria is full of mad people.

Akabuking:
we're talking about human life, you are here talking about hierarchy

If she touched that patient and he died, they will say she killed him. There would have been loads of underlying issues that patient would have had that she was unaware about. Even carrying the patient into the car could have caused damage that neither she or the good samaritan was aware off. A Dr's creed is to first do no harm. The people that put him in the car should have brought him out for her to make a proper evaluation. If he was brought in by paramedics, they would have had information to give her immediately on arrival. But brought in by someone with no medical training, she was right in being cautious. Bring the patient down and she will examine

Skydivine:
As long as the doctor is present at the scene, he /she is in charge. It’s authoritative. All he needs to do is to use the authority to issue orders. The level of responsibility and expectations are quite different.

You are missing the point. The others are not present. There is supposed to be division of labour. Do you think that doctor can function optimally if she is carrying patients up and down all day? Definitely more emergencies will come. Should she be carrying all the patients?

Twy:
They are leaving in droves for money not for struggling to help carry patients. Health workers abroad especially the young ones work 80 hours week, some can work 24 hrs straight. Abroad, if there is an emergency situation, a doctor is advised to take charge not forced but by a call of civic duty to help out. For example in a medical emergency on a plane they always ask for a doctor, part of your civic duty is to assist.

Abroad doctors are paid well too. Those shifts you are talking about are not through out the month. Some do it for 10-12 days straight and that is the end for that month. Except they go to other hospitals to work. It's same for other health workers there. Work pattern is flexible but you might do multiple jobs just to offset bills

atiku4President:
It's not the duty of a doctor to bring out patients from the car. Simple. The only mistake she made was to engage the man videoing in argument. She should have walked away and go to call the attention of the appropriate personnel.

It's not about duty, it is saving lives. I detest this argument. If it were your dying child, you'd say otherwise.

He was not wrong.The hospital staff showed no sense of urgency in attending to the accident victim. An emergency should not be handled that
way.Imagine telling someone that brought an accident victim to hospital that you have no hand gloves?

ibechris:
I watched the video and the man in question was wrong.

He agitated the lady and i don't expect him making that video.

Jeje247:
You are missing the point. The others are not present. There is supposed to be division of labour. Do you think that doctor can function optimally if she is carrying patients up and down all day? Definitely more emergencies will come. Should she be carrying all the patients?

Who divides the labor?
Who is responsible for implementation and compliance?
Do you know why other healthcare workers are considered to be under the supervision of the doctor?
Do you know why medical school curriculum has more courses on biomedical ethics?

ibechris:
My brother,I am not medical personnel but I felt for that lady. Is it the work of a doctor to carry an accident victim.
Even if it's her work,can she alone carry him?

The guy recording the video is the clown in the story. He could have used that energy and ask for support in carrying the victim. Nigerians will blame the doctor because most are frustrated and are always seeking who to pour their frustrations on.

Skydivine:
Who divides the labor?
Who is responsible for implementation and compliance?
Do you know why other healthcare workers are considered to be under the supervision of the doctor?
Do you know why medical school curriculum has more courses on biomedical ethics?

The hospital management should have such mechanisms in place. The doctors, nurses and scientists can not be doing their primary duty and still being carrying patients out of vehicles just because health assistants are not doing their jobs.
Not forgetting the so called Samaritan that drove down and stood aside. He took didn't exercise any will to assist in bringing out the patient. You could hear him say that he has has brought the patient, the staff should bring him down from the car. I would assume that if he even tried to assist, those women would have also lent a helping hand. Standing aside for women to do it while he was filming is diabolical

Jeje247:
The hospital management should have such mechanisms in place. The doctors, nurses and scientists can not be doing their primary duty and still being carrying patients out of vehicles just because health assistants are not doing their jobs.
Not forgetting the so called Samaritan that drove down and stood aside. He took didn't exercise any will to assist in bringing out the patient. You could hear him say that he has has brought the patient, the staff should bring him down from the car. I would assume that if he even tried to assist, those women would have also lent a helping hand. Standing aside for women to do it while he was filming is diabolical

All these lapses you identified and mentioned should be looked into after helping the patient and not prior to that. You do not play office politics with human life. There is a word known as empathy in the medical community. In fact, empathy is cardinal for doctor/patient relationships.
To answer your question surrounding the appeal to gender role, that license (MD) does not distinguish between male and female. Equal responsibility!

Professor822714:
Walk away from an emergency patient? First off, she didn't even examine the patient in the car!! Are you nuts?

You dont even need to engage him because he is obviously nuts..if it were his relative in that situation he wouldn't be spewing such jargons from his mouth..Is Nigeria more advanced than America that doctors come out to help bring people out of cars into the hospital?The first, primary and ONLY duty of a Doctor is save lives..

In such situations even if you are short staffed,it is only the right thing to do bringing out the patient to attend to the patient..even the laxity in her actions is enough reason to revokeher medical license because she has no empathy at all..

GboyegaD:
The guy recording the video is the clown in the story. He could have used that energy and ask for support in carrying the victim. Nigerians will blame the doctor because most are frustrated and are always seeking who to pour their frustrations on.

Very big clown ooh.
The man is very stupid.
If I am him and I am carrying an emergency case, I won't even wait for them to bring wheelchair before dragging the man out of my car and lifting him into the emergency room. When I dump him on the available bed and they now do nothing that is when I will have issues with them.

As far as I am concerned the man is stupid.

Judolisco:
Bro, he is not lying and he is not nuts... If u go to any general hospital or teaching hospital and stay there for like 6 months you'll know better.... A diabetic patient once fainted right in front of me... I rushed towards him sat him up and I saw a Dr approaching, immediately I called, doc pls help out, he came asked d man jst two questions and walked straight into his car.... He jst finished his call(duty) and was on his way home....he asked me to call a nurse.... I think it's a job hazard, they tend to lose human feelings on d job, not only doctors even a cleaner in d hospital no dey pity people again oh... They've seen all sought

What Nigerians don't understand is that the healthcare sector is grossly UNDERSTAFFED.
Statistics are being released everytime to show total number of doctors and nurses in Nigeria to attend to over 200 million people.

Most times the teams are never complete( just about 30 percent). That means each staff will be doing 3 people's job.

Staff have complained to management and policy makers and nothing is being done. I guess they prefer to buy new cars , renovate and loot while the masses keep blaming the doctors and nurses.


The effect is what you have experienced.

GboyegaD:
The guy recording the video is the clown in the story. He could have used that energy and ask for support in carrying the victim. Nigerians will blame the doctor because most are frustrated and are always seeking who to pour their frustrations on.

the guy was actually smart, helping total strangers in an accident and the hospital couldn't respond, the patients could have been left to die while the helper takes the blame, this is Nigeria.

Sometimes I wonder if we don't actually deserve the kind of leaders we have. On every wrong anyone commits, there are couple of like minds that'll quickly defend with silly reasons! So a cp cannot come to the rescue of a robbery victim or take his statements because the job is meant for people beneath his rank? Are you guys just intentionally daft or what? Anyone in the health sector has the primary assignment of giving care to patients. Doctors, nurses, midwives or porters, so far you can help at that moment of emergency, nothing stops you from helping. The said lady was nonchalant and obviously doesn't care about human life. Silly people justifying her actions wouldn't say same if the patient is their loved one. Buncha hypocritical sods talking greasy!

Skydivine:
All these lapses you identified and mentioned should be looked into after helping the patient and not prior to that. You do not play office politics with human life. There is a word known as empathy in the medical community. In fact, empathy is cardinal for doctor/patient relationships.
To answer your question surrounding the appeal to gender role, that license (MD) does not distinguish between male and female. Equal responsibility!

It's easy to say but I'll believe that this is not a first time occurrence. The issues may have been there and complaints made have been falling on the deaf ears of the management but when a situation like this happen, same management that failed to address the internal issues would throw the staff under the bus to protect their jobs

stasius:
Very big clown ooh.
The man is very stupid.
If I am him and I am carrying an emergency case, I won't even wait for them to bring wheelchair before dragging the man out of my car and lifting him into the emergency room. When I dump him on the available bed and they now do nothing that is when I will have issues with them.

As far as I am concerned the man is stupid.

Do you know that carrying a victim without medical experience or training aside the health hazard to you can do more harm to the casualty and you will be held responsible?

The patient relative is a trouble maker that's why he was quick to start videoing the scene instead of helping his dying relative.

It's unfortunate that most govt hospitals have deteriorated to a level that they lack basic consumables needed to give emergency services.

The entire system is so horrible that it's better one prays not to be a patient in govt hospitals, otherwise , sorry will be your name.

There was a country according Chinua Achebe

@op, please enlighten me, what is the purpose of posting 3 photos which are exactly the same?

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atiku4President:
It's not the duty of a doctor to bring out patients from the car. Simple. The only mistake she made was to engage the man videoing in argument. She should have walked away and go to call the attention of the appropriate personnel.

Later na we blacks go dey shout racism up and down, when na so so wickedness and hatred full our hearts as a human being.
I'm very curious to know what you would have done as the said doctor in question.?

Stevosty:
Do you know that carrying a victim without medical experience or training aside the health hazard to you can do more harm to the casualty and you will be held responsible?

But he picked the man from the road and carried him into his car according to him. Did he consider all these things you said when carrying the man into his car? He doesn't know he can be held responsible for any harm to the casualty abi?

If we go by your statement then he should have left the man on the roadside to die so that he cannot expose himself to hazard or be held responsible for any bad thing that happens to the patient while on transit.

atiku4President:
It's not the duty of a doctor to bring out patients from the car. Simple. The only mistake she made was to engage the man videoing in argument. She should have walked away and go to call the attention of the appropriate personnel.

If you say so unfortunately she was there at the entrance so what should a doctor do in such situation??

Omagi:
That's the problem, where have they gone to? We can see the doctor on duty, the morticians use to switch off their phones most times to avoid being reached to come and carry corpses of patients. I'm sure you will blame the doctor and nurses for this

In England, the doctor that saved Fabrice Muamba's life wasn't on duty that day. He didn't wait for the doctors on duty to do their jobs. He saw a dying man and saved his life.

The cardiologist that saved Erikson's life wasn't on duty, he was just a fan enjoying a football match with his family. He never waited for anyone on duty or blamed anyone for not being at their duty post. He saved a life.

Only in Nigeria do people like you excuse disgraceful behaviour. You rather engage in blame game than save a life.

damilton:
Previous thread: https://www.nairaland.com/8446358/nurse-refuses-treat-accident-victim

It is very important to know that not all females working in the hospital are nurses, likewise, not all males working in hospital are doctors. The recent incident that happened in Federal Medical Centre in Abuja shows a doctor who refuses to attend to an accident victim and from the video captured, it took more than 4 minutes before help came to the victim. I am not saying it is the duty of that dr to bring out the patient. Infact, it is not the duty of a doctor nor a nurse to bring out the patient.

There are people designated for that but this is Nigeria where right things goes wrong and wrong things goes right.

It is just sad that Nigerians in our myopic way of thinking are quick to point an accusing finger to Nurses if anything goes awry in the hospital forgetting that not all female you see in the hospital are Nurses. There was a post here, that tagged a Nurse as the culprit who refuses to assist the accident victim.

But the said person is not a nurse but a doctor. Her name and title is boldly written on her left chest. We need to know that everyone should be accountable for his or her actions. Everything, especially unfortunate circumstances doesn't boil down to Nurses who are been rate low in the health sector.

Lobish, once you are a medical personal, you 1st duty is preservation of life at any cost. The role of Doctors is universal, so nothing different in Nigeria. If those persons die, that lady can be sued for coperate manslaughter. All she needed to do was get gloves, get a stretcher asked others there to give her a hand to get the victims to an area of help. If she was not meant to be in that area what is she doing in A and E then ? People are meant to work as a team in these places

FunkyAlhaji2015:
In England, the doctor that saved Fabrice Muamba's life wasn't on duty that day. He didn't wait for the doctors on duty to do their jobs. He saw a dying man and saved his life.

The cardiologist that saved Erikson's life wasn't on duty, he was just a fan enjoying a football match with his family. He never waited for anyone on duty or blamed anyone for not being at their duty post. He saved a life.

Only in Nigeria do people like you excuse disgraceful behaviour. You rather engage in blame game than save a life.

Exactly and these same people will go to the UK and act right .OP is full of brain dust.

Stevosty:
Do you know that carrying a victim without medical experience or training aside the health hazard to you can do more harm to the casualty and you will be held responsible?

This is true, but we live in a country where we do not have responds as in ambulance or paramedics, so he did what was next to best

airsaylongcome:
If she touched that patient and he died, they will say she killed him. There would have been loads of underlying issues that patient would have had that she was unaware about. Even carrying the patient into the car could have caused damage that neither she or the good samaritan was aware off. A Dr's creed is to first do no harm. The people that put him in the car should have brought him out for her to make a proper evaluation. If he was brought in by paramedics, they would have had information to give her immediately on arrival. But brought in by someone with no medical training, she was right in being cautious. Bring the patient down and she will examine

U must have petrol as blood.Has he not done enough for humanity by bringing these strangers to the hospital in his own car which he now has to go and deep clean cos of blood stains ??
Just look at the kind of people we live along wiv in 9ja

Omagi:
It's just an example. I'm sure you won't do whatever is not your job description. The job description of every rank and file is well spelt out to avoid clash of duties

The field of saving life fru medicine does no follow that logic I'm afraid

erico2k2:
U must have petrol as blood.Has he not done enough for humanity by bringing these strangers to the hospital in his own car which he now has to go and deep clean cos of blood stains ??
Just look at the kind of people we live along wiv in 9ja

I do not have petrol for blood. I am talking as the child of a General Surgeon who was assaulted multiple times on different occasions by family members of different patients. When you see the other side of patients running away without paying bills, or their families tracking you to your home to assault you as a doc, you will do exactly what this female doctor has done. It’s not meanness. It’s self preservation

airsaylongcome:
I do not have petrol for blood. I am talking as the child of a General Surgeon who was assaulted multiple times on different occasions by family members of different patients. When you see the other side of patients running away without paying bills, or their families tracking you to your home to assault you as a doc, you will do exactly what this female doctor has done. It’s not meanness. It’s self preservation

You are scared of assault .you funny.what about the police.Army etc?you think they do t face same or even more risk that that?look there is no excuse.if U can't b3ar the heath get out of th3 kitchen simple