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MaxInDHouse:
In the first century "Church" is a group of Christians {1Corinthans 14:34 compare to Revelations 1:4} therefore when someone mention the word "Church" back then he is referring to the gathering of Jesus' followers but later different religions began claiming they have a church and since they are not into preaching and teaching which made Jesus' disciples known as Christians in the first century {Act 11:26} what they use to call members for worship into their worship center is loud songs not preaching as real disciples of Jesus used to do so instead of calling members by the group name "Church" they are now calling their worship center "Church"

Today different religions claiming they are Christians have adopted the same thing since they're not used to preaching and teaching to make disciples like the first century disciples now call their worship centers "Church" because it's the building that's calling for interested persons to come join their religions.

So if such a religion now wants to make a female their leader it's OK but going by the practice of first century disciples of Jesus who preaches and teaches from house to house and door to door females were never permitted to officiate at all rather they remain silent when males takes the lead! 1Timothy 2:11-12

The Bible did not tell us why Israelites never had a female priest or why Jesus never chose a female among his twelve apostles but Paul revealed that angels in Christianity don't recognize women as leaders {1Corinthans 11:10} so we don't allow women to pastor in true Christianity! Ephesians 5:24

Well written bro, well written and quite insightful; but believe there's a minor interpretive error regarding the passage you quoted.

To properly understand Paul’s writings, you to visualize and understand the audience, cultural context, and specific circumstances of the church he was addressing. For example, in 1 Corinthians 14:34–35, Paul writes:

“Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.”1 Corinthians 14:34,

Ordinarily, this may appear like universal ban but the Corinthian church was known for disorder during worship services. Corinth, being a bustling, diverse, and morally chaotic city, often struggled with maintaining structure in public gatherings. It's on record that their services had become noisy and unruly with everyone speaking at once, making it difficult to teach or worship effectively ( 1 Corinthians 14:26–33)

It is within this specific context of disruption that Paul addressed the issue of women who, at the time, have not received as much formal teaching and speaking out during worship. His instruction was about restoring order, not silencing women universally. In fact, earlier in the same letter, Paul acknowledges that women both pray and prophesy in public worship:

“But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head...” (1 Corinthians 11:5, NKJV)



This emperical evidence that women were allowed and even expected to participate vocally in worship under appropriate spiritual authority and order.

Therefore, Paul was not contradicting himself but offering specific corrective guidance for a specific situation. To interpret the “silent” passage as a universal prohibition on women preaching or teaching would be to ignore the broader scriptural witness and the immediate literary and historical context.

gohf:
tell that Spirit speaking to you that I said it is a lying Spirit, what is the difference between a fellowship hall and a church. the devil is an author of confusion o. Imagine deceiving you that you cannot lead prayers nor preach and you believed

Seems you know a lot about the Bible Sir.
I concur with your submissions and pray that God gives you more insight to His word

Imma624:
The issue of a woman pastoring a church is a subject of controversy today. Some argued for with their own explanation while some argued against.
To you, should a woman pastor a Church? Let's discuss

According to the new testament, no.

Ask why Jesus didn't select any woman as part of the 12. Even when Judas had to be replaced even the thought of a woman didn't come to mind.

According to the new testament, women have their own ministry, and surely not to lead nor teach.

People don't really fear and love God genuinely. That's why something would be boldly and clearly written in the Bible, especially the new testament but they still want to argue. They had better go and write their new Bibles.

God bless

Splendour99:
Yes, God pours out His Spirit on all flesh and has used women to do great things in the past, and still does.

But in the New Testament, when Paul was giving instructions as to the headship of a local church, he said the church should be led and pastored by men. True, women are also co-heirs of the coming kingdom, but they can use their teaching gifts to teach other women also in the church, and not to stand in the pulpit, Sunday after Sunday, teaching and leading men.

This is what God ordained for the church.

We do not box God and who He decides to use. If He used a donkey to declare His intentions, aren't women better than donkeys?
A balanced analysis of the verses quoted will help a lot. We may want to ask ourselves 'was Paul speaking to the universal assembly or a local assembly? I am of the opinion that he was addressing the assemblies in Corinth and Ephesus where there were contending issues that needed to be addressed ASAP. Remember, same Paul had women (Priscilla, Phoebe, Junia(mentioned by Paul as an Apostle - Romans 16:7), Chloe, Euodia, Syntyche, Mary, Julia, Tryphaena, Tryphosa ) who worked with him and many of them must have been in leadership positions and even had Churches in their houses (Romans 5) and were admins in other branches.
The verses in the book of Timothy and Corinthians did not address universal Christian women and have been taken contextually without an understanding. There was a mention of women keeping quite but elsewhere in Corinthians and Joel, the gift of prophesy is encouraged and promised. How do you prophesy and pray when you are quite? May the revelation of Christ be full in our hearts. Amen

There should be nothing wrong with a woman pastoring a church, women are humans just like men are and can be used by God.

Tallesty1:
Well written bro, well written and quite insightful; but believe there's a minor interpretive error regarding the passage you quoted.

To properly understand Paul’s writings, you to visualize and understand the audience, cultural context, and specific circumstances of the church he was addressing. For example, in 1 Corinthians 14:34–35, Paul writes:

“Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.”1 Corinthians 14:34,

Ordinarily, this may appear like universal ban but the Corinthian church was known for disorder during worship services. Corinth, being a bustling, diverse, and morally chaotic city, often struggled with maintaining structure in public gatherings. It's on record that their services had become noisy and unruly with everyone speaking at once, making it difficult to teach or worship effectively ( 1 Corinthians 14:26–33)

It is within this specific context of disruption that Paul addressed the issue of women who, at the time, have not received as much formal teaching and speaking out during worship. His instruction was about restoring order, not silencing women universally. In fact, earlier in the same letter, Paul acknowledges that women both pray and prophesy in public worship:

“But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head...” (1 Corinthians 11:5, NKJV)



This emperical evidence that women were allowed and even expected to participate vocally in worship under appropriate spiritual authority and order.

Therefore, Paul was not contradicting himself but offering specific corrective guidance for a specific situation. To interpret the “silent” passage as a universal prohibition on women preaching or teaching would be to ignore the broader scriptural witness and the immediate literary and historical context.

You are one of "very very few" people that I have met either online or offline, who not only understand Bible, but have deep knowledge, how to interpret any book correctly, devoid of biases or primordial sentiments.

Meanwhile, in other to buttress your submissions,.....the same Paul admonishing congregants in Cenchrea, (in the book of Roman 16:1-2), by telling them to give Phoebe (female) all necessary supports they could give, for her to be successful in her ministerial role, as new head of church in Cenchrea.

Splendour99:
They were God's commandments through Paul for the setup of the church, and not Paul's opinions.

1 Corinth 14:37, "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 14 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
²⁹ Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
³⁰ If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
³¹ For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
³² And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
³³ For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
³⁴ Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
³⁵ And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
³⁶ What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
³⁷ If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

I just did a research....

When Paul admonished women not to speak in church, he wasn't speaking against women ordained as pastors. What he was speaking against was the disorderly manner some high status women in the Corinthians church who taught and preached in their services.

Paul wanted these women to correctly submit to church authority in the Corinthian church before handling church leadership.

Paul wasn't referring to women pastoring a church.

The New testament was in Greek, so there are bound to some misinterpreting in English.

wowcatty:
I believe it’s the spirit of God, maybe I didn’t put it well. What I meant by a fellowship hall is small room for about 20 people. And not leading a prayer in church like a pastor after preaching. See ehn, we all see true worship differently. I don’t believe you can really worship God in spirit and in truth if you wear shoes during prayer, with women hair uncovered and so many other things.

so you don't believe what Jesus said about God the Father seeking those who worship him in spirit and in truth.

That you had to add remove shoes and cover your hair?

Splendour99:
You can choose to believe what you want.

and I choose to believe the truth of God's word.

MaxInDHouse:
According to the Bible women aren't given any equal right with men when talking about headship in sacred service.

Try to read your Bible from Genesis and see if females were mentioned in the genealogy of God's people.

Adam's descendants, Noah's children, Abraham's, and many others only males were mentioned it's only when something tragic occurred that a female will be mentioned by name. For instance the only female name mentioned among Jacob's children is "Dinah" who was raped even Jesus' male siblings were mentioned by name {Mark 6:3} but no mention of his female siblings.

So Bible writers don't reckon with females except when something significant is involved!

Do you know who Deborah and Esther is in the bible at all

Imma624:
But what do we say about Churches who gives pastor, bishop, apostleship title to female.
Are they not true church and don't you consider it gender inequality if men are only permitted to pastor a Church

those churches that give women those titles don't know what they are doing


There's nothing like gender inequality in spirituality, all regions don't rate men n women as the same.

Even many traditions n cultures don't rate women as d same


It is d woke wannabe that are forming gender equality

There nothing like that in spirituality

Fiscus105:
Is book of Roman in ur Bible? If yes, interpret Romans 16:1-2 for the public to read.

I will indulge you to stop holding on to your long belief that some pastors in the past had, imposed into mind.
Bible is opened to everyone to read and understand by himself,....if you read king James version and you don't understand it, go and read Bible of ur local version. (Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa among others)

What are you implying? If anything the passage buttresses the role of women as SERVANTS of the church, not leaders. Just same way we have Reverend sisters in the catholic church as servants of the church while Reverend fathers lead the church.

Tallesty1:
Well written bro, well written and quite insightful; but believe there's a minor interpretive error regarding the passage you quoted.

To properly understand Paul’s writings, you to visualize and understand the audience, cultural context, and specific circumstances of the church he was addressing. For example, in 1 Corinthians 14:34–35, Paul writes:

“Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.”1 Corinthians 14:34,

Ordinarily, this may appear like universal ban but the Corinthian church was known for disorder during worship services. Corinth, being a bustling, diverse, and morally chaotic city, often struggled with maintaining structure in public gatherings. It's on record that their services had become noisy and unruly with everyone speaking at once, making it difficult to teach or worship effectively ( 1 Corinthians 14:26–33)

It is within this specific context of disruption that Paul addressed the issue of women who, at the time, have not received as much formal teaching and speaking out during worship. His instruction was about restoring order, not silencing women universally. In fact, earlier in the same letter, Paul acknowledges that women both pray and prophesy in public worship:

“But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head...” (1 Corinthians 11:5, NKJV)

This emperical evidence that women were allowed and even expected to participate vocally in worship under appropriate spiritual authority and order.

Therefore, Paul was not contradicting himself but offering specific corrective guidance for a specific situation. To interpret the “silent” passage as a universal prohibition on women preaching or teaching would be to ignore the broader scriptural witness and the immediate literary and historical context.

How about 1 Timothy 2:12?

In the setup of the church, should women be elders and pastors over men? The clear biblical answer is no.

See 1 Tim. 3:1-7; Titus 1:5-9 (qualifications for elders, which clearly are framed with men in view: “husband of one wife,” “manages his household well,” etc.). Also, 1 Cor. 11:3-16 clearly presents the hierarchy: God, Christ, man, woman, which applies both to the church and the home.

Since elders/pastors both teach and exercise authority, 1 Tim. 2:11-15 prohibits women from occupying this office (the reasons given in that text are not culturally determined).

Imma624:
The issue of a woman pastoring a church is a subject of controversy today. Some argued for with their own explanation while some argued against.
To you, should a woman pastor a Church? Let's discuss

Galatians 3:27-28
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

MaxInDHouse:
In the first century "Church" is a group of Christians {1Corinthans 14:34 compare to Revelations 1:4} therefore when someone mention the word "Church" back then he is referring to the gathering of Jesus' followers but later different religions began claiming they have a church and since they are not into preaching and teaching which made Jesus' disciples known as Christians in the first century {Act 11:26} what they use to call members for worship into their worship center is loud songs not preaching as real disciples of Jesus used to do so instead of calling members by the group name "Church" they are now calling their worship center "Church"

Today different religions claiming they are Christians have adopted the same thing since they're not used to preaching and teaching to make disciples like the first century disciples now call their worship centers "Church" because it's the building that's calling for interested persons to come join their religions.

So if such a religion now wants to make a female their leader it's OK but going by the practice of first century disciples of Jesus who preaches and teaches from house to house and door to door females were never permitted to officiate at all rather they remain silent when males takes the lead! 1Timothy 2:11-12

The Bible did not tell us why Israelites never had a female priest or why Jesus never chose a female among his twelve apostles but Paul revealed that angels in Christianity don't recognize women as leaders {1Corinthans 11:10} so we don't allow women to pastor in true Christianity! Ephesians 5:24

Galatians 3:27-28
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Imma624:
But what do we say about Churches who gives pastor, bishop, apostleship title to female.
Are they not true church and don't you consider it gender inequality if men are only permitted to pastor a Church

Anybody can be a "pastor" ...self anointed ..appointed ... however. Whether that church is 'approved by God' is a different matter. There are specific conditions set out in the Bible for one to be a pastor. One specific condition is a pastor cannot be a woman ...there is no exception to that. If you know this then there's no need to find out if she can ...it is Biblical. Are there women Pastors? ....hundreds. But are we going to follow the Bible?.... or go against the Bible and follow the explanation by man?

Any woman can pastor a church because even thieves pastor churches and religion is just a game of leading brainwashed people.

Women didn't have much rights back then like they do now.b
But that book of Joel talks of the promise that sons and daughters will dream dreams and speak in tongues.
The Holy Spirit is for everybody
But women shouldn't lead a church.

I never go church wey man dey pastor you dey talk of bleeding gender. Tufiakwa!


I don't even wish to work under a woman, I would rather remain unemployed. Women add shakara and wickedness to everything dey do, most of them dey behave as if dem dey do competition with men.......Nor be me woman go take shine. God forbid!

One would assume that it would be unacceptable for a woman to be at the pulpit while on her menstrual period.

The answer should be an emphatic NO.

This is not an issue in mosques. This is not debatable.

Na abomination

nothing wrong in it, the first RCCG parish i ever attended was pastored by a woman ,i was so blessed by her ministrations, was so sad when she was transferred to another parish.

Exactly my point

In the era of irresponsible men and of leadership, God is not one sided..
There are some matters we should leave for God and him only to Judge.

Women leading a ministry is not a sin. They are operating in the power of God as well.

God permits certain things for the advancement of his kingdom.

brainhgeek:
If the Bible is not explicit over the issue, any other explanations are exegesis. There were prophets and there was a king when Deborah led a war.
Joel 2, God said He'd pour out His Spirit upon all flesh . The Spirit that equips for the saints is not for men alone

Joel 2:28.,29.
28. And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 29. And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

Only a silly man will go to church where a woman is the head pastor

brainhgeek:
If the Bible is not explicit over the issue, any other explanations are exegesis. There were prophets and there was a king when Deborah led a war.
Joel 2, God said He'd pour out His Spirit upon all flesh . The Spirit that equips for the saints is not for men alone

Joel 2:28.,29.
28. And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 29. And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

That a woman prophesies doesn't in any way make her a priest or a pastor, does it?

What women are allowed to do in the church.
1..teach. Titus 2:4-8
Women are allowed to teach.
Older women are allowed to teach younger women to be obedient, submissive and to love their husband.

Prophet: Joel 2. 28
The book of Joel says young men and women shall prophesy. They can be a prophet


Serve including missionary work
Acts 18.18. 1 timothy 4:19

Example is Priscilla of Aquilla &Priscilla
making of items of gift. Give to the poor and share God's word. Minister needs to others

WhatIf:
Capital NO, it is unscriptural! Women were not permitted to lead where there is men!

Maybe for church matters sha but the late Queen Elizabeth was the head over millions of men.
Why?

[quote author= post=135751085]In the first century "Church" is a group of Christians {1Corinthans 14:34 compare to Revelations 1:4} therefore when someone mention the word "Church" back then he is referring to the gathering of Jesus' followers but later different religions began claiming they have a church and since they are not into preaching and teaching which made Jesus' disciples known as Christians in the first century {Act 11:26} what they use to call members for worship into their worship center is loud songs not preaching as real disciples of Jesus used to do so instead of calling members by the group name "Church" they are now calling their worship center "Church"

Today different religions claiming they are Christians have adopted the same thing since they're not used to preaching and teaching to make disciples like the first century disciples now call their worship centers "Church" because it's the building that's calling for interested persons to come join their religions.

So if such a religion now wants to make a female their leader it's OK but going by the practice of first century disciples of Jesus who preaches and teaches from house to house and door to door females were never permitted to officiate at all rather they remain silent when males takes the lead! 1Timothy 2:11-12

The Bible did not tell us why Israelites never had a female priest or why Jesus never chose a female among his twelve apostles but Paul revealed that angels in Christianity don't recognize women as leaders {1Corinthans 11:10} so we don't allow women to pastor in true Christianity! Ephesians 5:24[/quote]You still here?
Still actively at it?

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judewrites:
All church leadership in the Bible were males, but that doesn't mean a woman can't head a church.

Most of what Paul said against women leading in church was from His own opinions not God's.

Why would God gift women with the same spiritual gifts as men if He didn't want them to pastor churches?

GOD BLESS YOU greatly sir.

Finally, someone that sees things from my view point.

Thank GOD Paul didn't marry if not, his wife would have seen shege promax!

PS: not a fan of Paul. Peter was much better.

[quote author=blackboy2star post=135755170]Women can Pastor a church but must accord respect to her husband and must not share the Grace after preaching, the Grace of the Lord should be shared by all...[/quote
Hmm
No wonder my mom usually made me or dad to share the grace after morning prayer

I can't be a member of such congregation

MaxInDHouse:
In the first century "Church" is a group of Christians {1Corinthans 14:34 compare to Revelations 1:4} therefore when someone mention the word "Church" back then he is referring to the gathering of Jesus' followers but later different religions began claiming they have a church and since they are not into preaching and teaching which made Jesus' disciples known as Christians in the first century {Act 11:26} what they use to call members for worship into their worship center is loud songs not preaching as real disciples of Jesus used to do so instead of calling members by the group name "Church" they are now calling their worship center "Church"

Today different religions claiming they are Christians have adopted the same thing since they're not used to preaching and teaching to make disciples like the first century disciples now call their worship centers "Church" because it's the building that's calling for interested persons to come join their religions.

So if such a religion now wants to make a female their leader it's OK but going by the practice of first century disciples of Jesus who preaches and teaches from house to house and door to door females were never permitted to officiate at all rather they remain silent when males takes the lead! 1Timothy 2:11-12

The Bible did not tell us why Israelites never had a female priest or why Jesus never chose a female among his twelve apostles but Paul revealed that angels in Christianity don't recognize women as leaders {1Corinthans 11:10} so we don't allow women to pastor in true Christianity! Ephesians 5:24

Bro , this is beautiful, I love ❤️ 😍 💖 you. May the good blessed LORD bless you forever in JESUS' Name.