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MaxInDHouse:
In the first century "Church" is a group of Christians {1Corinthans 14:34 compare to Revelations 1:4} therefore when someone mention the word "Church" back then he is referring to the gathering of Jesus' followers but later different religions began claiming they have a church and since they are not into preaching and teaching which made Jesus' disciples known as Christians in the first century {Act 11:26} what they use to call members for worship into their worship center is loud songs not preaching as real disciples of Jesus used to do so instead of calling members by the group name "Church" they are now calling their worship center "Church"

Today different religions claiming they are Christians have adopted the same thing since they're not used to preaching and teaching to make disciples like the first century disciples now call their worship centers "Church" because it's the building that's calling for interested persons to come join their religions.

So if such a religion now wants to make a female their leader it's OK but going by the practice of first century disciples of Jesus who preaches and teaches from house to house and door to door females were never permitted to officiate at all rather they remain silent when males takes the lead! 1Timothy 2:11-12

The Bible did not tell us why Israelites never had a female priest or why Jesus never chose a female among his twelve apostles but Paul revealed that angels in Christianity don't recognize women as leaders {1Corinthans 11:10} so we don't allow women to pastor in true Christianity! Ephesians 5:24

Sounds like misogyny to me. I’m not even surprised, the Bible undermines and berates women in several chapters of the Bible, plus the fact that God also supported slavery. The Bible is an old book written in a prehistoric era when slavery and misogyny was deemed alright. It’s not a book that passes the test of time, nor a book that is scientifically accurate or morally accurate due to the inconsistency and bias it holds.

Imma624:
The issue of a woman pastoring a church is a subject of controversy today. Some argued for with their own explanation while some argued against.
To you, should a woman pastor a Church? Let's discuss

Sometimes you just need to search out thread on Nairaland that had dealt with this topic comprehensively.

Kavod:
ITS NOT A MATTER OF HEAVEN GET LOOSE OR NOT ITS UMBILICAL, IF YOU SAY YOU REALLY WANT TO FOLLOW THE BIBLE WHICH IS YOUR HOLY BOOK THEN ITS UMBILICAL.


PERIOD

No,
It is not biblical
It is human culture and tradition recorded in the bible

paxonel:
ALL THESE WHILE SO MANY YEARS NOW THAT WOMEN HAVE SUCESSFULLY PRESIDED MANY CHURCHES EVERYWHERE WORLDWIDE INCLUDING THE ONES WE HAVE HERE IN NIGERIA, DID HEAVEN GOT LOOSE ?

The poster will be better of seeing other thread on this than recycling what we know will undermine the way God works

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
Just as heaven never fall when people kill people or when they commits adultery, fornication, robbery, fraud

who say heaven did not fall?

Oya, go and try and do all these things now and see whether heaven will not fall

spiSeyi:
Apostle Paul already addressed this having a female pastor is out of the biblical context and it's European.
The Bible was written by the Israelites who shared no cultural background with the European but African.
Now ask yourself this, does it makes sense for a woman to be head of the family, after all the church is made up of a family of Christians

Not permitted to speak yet they lead praise and worship in your midst were men are involved.

gohf:
a church may not be of God when they lay hands on carnal men and appoint them into posts, such can also be said of those who appoint women as bishops but let's not mistake that woman can be shepherds and they can be teachers, as long as they are appointed by the holy Spirit who appoints men as well into those roles and offices.

When people think the know all the way the spirit of God operates you begin to see them legislate on what they don't have explicit command over.

spiSeyi:
Were they leading the church those were activists and not religious leaders. Read your Bible

They were leading a whole nation. I repeat a whole nation giving directive and men seeking direction from them

gohf:
if you read your Bible it referred to wives not all females being silent with reference to their roles as been submissive to their husbands, then what about unmarried females and in what context are they expected to be silent when they are free to prophesy in the church.

Don't ridicule the truth by referring to Deborah as some activist

You know when their regimented religious leaders have a mode of operation. Their subjects quickly fall in line. You see when they change stance over the matter. They won't even raise objections they are doing now.

Hushpuppy20:
Let woman keep silent in a church ⛪️ when they want to ask questions let them ask their husband at home.

I know the women in churches all over the world today don't keep silent. Can you Identify one church where women are silent without speaking?

blackboy2star:
Women can Pastor a church but must accord respect to her husband and must not share the Grace after preaching, the Grace of the Lord should be shared by all...

This one looks like a legislation of particular church definitely not part of the Bible that you carry

Christianity has never stuck to any doctrine as they were made or revealed by divinity for the ancient days followers... Funny enough, the religion be like car production, newer models all of the time like Toyota. LE = limited editions, S - sport, Hybrid etc...depending on you, the followers. Just buy and give it to any driver (man or woman). As far as I know in the real context, bible dey talk hin own, people dey do what pleases dem. They forget that judgement day is not mundane court. Wetin concern women concern public speaking, God knows us well. Give them a space to lay their head, they will ask for a space to lay a bed. It's gone beyond redemption now, who is going to reverse it...?

Fiscus105:
Yes, Deborah was prophetess, and she presided over Israelites, both men and women obeyed her.



You guys should stop Cherri picking a verse and force it on gullible people. You should also endeavour to read the events that led to pronouncement, you are quoting for biblical Corinthians.

You are correct about the various offices Deborah held. But in all of these, there is neither Teacher(Rabbi), Priest or Pastor.

The only ministerial position she held in Prophetess, and that is the only spiritual function you can find a woman holding in the Bible. For your information, a prophet is not necessarily a spiritual leader, but a vessel through which God gives messages and revelations to his people.

achorladey:
They were leading a whole nation. I repeat a whole nation giving directive and men seeking direction from them

Israel didn't have a king then and they didn't lead the whole nation bcs they neither Judges nor Priests .
They were heroine of their time just like we have freedom fighters and activists. Awolowofought for the Nigerian independent does that makes him our president

Of course preaching to unbelievers is the responsibility of both male and female Christians but in the midst of Christians (baptized) women are not permitted to officiate.
If no baptized male in the congregation a baptized female can officiate but must have her head covered {1Corinthans 11:10} with a veil that's a sign showing that such responsibility belongs only to males, as soon as the males are baptized the females return to their silent mode in the congregation!

Tallesty1:
Well written bro, well written and quite insightful; but believe there's a minor interpretive error regarding the passage you quoted.

To properly understand Paul’s writings, you to visualize and understand the audience, cultural context, and specific circumstances of the church he was addressing. For example, in 1 Corinthians 14:34–35, Paul writes:

“Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.”1 Corinthians 14:34,

Ordinarily, this may appear like universal ban but the Corinthian church was known for disorder during worship services. Corinth, being a bustling, diverse, and morally chaotic city, often struggled with maintaining structure in public gatherings. It's on record that their services had become noisy and unruly with everyone speaking at once, making it difficult to teach or worship effectively ( 1 Corinthians 14:26–33)

It is within this specific context of disruption that Paul addressed the issue of women who, at the time, have not received as much formal teaching and speaking out during worship. His instruction was about restoring order, not silencing women universally. In fact, earlier in the same letter, Paul acknowledges that women both pray and prophesy in public worship:

“But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head...” (1 Corinthians 11:5, NKJV)



This emperical evidence that women were allowed and even expected to participate vocally in worship under appropriate spiritual authority and order.

Therefore, Paul was not contradicting himself but offering specific corrective guidance for a specific situation. To interpret the “silent” passage as a universal prohibition on women preaching or teaching would be to ignore the broader scriptural witness and the immediate literary and historical context.

alfredfrddy:
That a woman prophesies doesn't in any way make her a priest or a pastor, does it?

It does make her a minister, in the same league as apostles, pastors, evangelists, and teachers, according to Ephesians 4:11-12 NIV‬
[11] So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, [12] to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up
Christ made everyone priests by the covenant of His blood but God equips everyone as He pleases according to the gifting of His spirit which He has poured out in these last days.

MaxInDHouse:
According to the Bible women aren't given any equal right with men when talking about headship in sacred service.

Try to read your Bible from Genesis and see if females were mentioned in the genealogy of God's people.

Adam's descendants, Noah's children, Abraham's, and many others only males were mentioned it's only when something tragic occurred that a female will be mentioned by name. For instance the only female name mentioned among Jacob's children is "Dinah" who was raped even Jesus' male siblings were mentioned by name {Mark 6:3} but no mention of his female siblings.

So Bible writers don't reckon with females except when something significant is involved!

People can equally swallow lies and like it because they are too weak to read deep and think about your post

According to the Bible women aren't given any equal right with men when talking about headship in sacred service.

In sacred service God is not interested in whether you are male or female. Those God want to worship him in spirit and truth does not come with the condition of being male or female.

Try to read your Bible from Genesis and see if females were mentioned in the genealogy of God's people.

Coming from a person who pride himself as being an elder in the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar, Perez the father of Hezron, Hezron the father of Ram, Ram the father of Amminadab, Amminadab the father of Nahshon, Nahshon the father of Salmon, Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab,

Now the below smells as lies from thousands of miles away

Adam's descendants, Noah's children, Abraham's, and many others only males were mentioned it's only when something tragic occurred that a female will be mentioned by name. For instance the only female name mentioned among Jacob's children is "Dinah" who was raped even Jesus' male siblings were mentioned by name {Mark 6:3} but no mention of his female siblings.

Then this.....

So Bible writers don't reckon with females except when something significant is involved!

That's why Jehovah’s witnesses don't reckon with women in their midst like some other religions and religious denominations

Fiscus105:
Is book of Roman in ur Bible? If yes, interpret Romans 16:1-2 for the public to read.
I will indulge you to stop holding on to your long belief that some pastors in the past had, imposed into mind.
Bible is opened to everyone to read and understand by himself,....if you read king James version and you don't understand it, go and read Bible of ur local version. (Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa among others)

We have lots of females in our midst and they do things like cooking when there is a feast but they don't lead in worship.

Do you get it now?

spiSeyi:
Israel didn't have a king then and they didn't lead the whole nation bcs they neither Judges nor Priests .
They were heroine of their time just like we have freedom fighters and activists. Awolowofought for the Nigerian independent does that makes him our president

When you see regimented and legislted kind of thinking you know from afar.

Israel didn't have a king then and they didn't lead the whole nation bcs they neither Judges nor Priests

The acts of Deborah was recorded in what book?

A. Kings
B. Judges
C. I look away here.

They were heroine of their time just like we have freedom fighters and activists.

Answer the question above first make I see something

Awolowo fought for the Nigerian independent does that makes him our president

first Premier of the Western region of Nigeria. He was a leader in the midst of the Yorubas.

TheAdvocate:
In the genealogy, a woman was mentioned. Reread your Bible.

Thanks jare. They will just push narratives to advance non existent agenda and pack lies on top the Bible they carry.

spiSeyi:
Israel didn't have a king then and they didn't lead the whole nation bcs they neither Judges nor Priests .
They were heroine of their time just like we have freedom fighters and activists. Awolowofought for the Nigerian independent does that makes him our president

Jesus set the standard so there is no need to argue at least Jesus chose twelve apostles and Paul was number thirteen no single female among those he chose!

chatinent:
A woman cannot preside over a man in Christianity but of course, what is practised nowadays is not true Christianity.

The problem of your words involving.... what is practised nowadays is not Christianity is the many nonsense associated with this topic. There is always the mindset of interpreting the scriptures the right way is a sole property of true Christianity

MaxInDHouse:
Anytime a woman is mentioned it's just to remind the reader what occurred.
Do you know the names of any daughter born to Adam, Jacob or Joseph (Jesus' foster father)?

Mouth don change to it is just a reminder of what occurred. You first stance was they were never mentioned in the genealogy. Lacks integrity.

Jughead29:
Woman should not because of some facts in the Bible.

When a woman is in her monthly period cycle, they are not to be seen near the pulpit.

Woman already have enough to face in this life that they will be called to lead God's people instead of man.

What happened when the woman pastor is in her cycle?
Or when she's pregnant?

Just that in Africa and mostly in Nigeria, I really do not know where they got the doctrine they preach today.

You might as well bring back the ten commandment and the mosaic laws regarding cleanliness. Man don't have emission or discharge abi?

gohf:
tell that Spirit speaking to you that I said it is a lying Spirit, what is the difference between a fellowship hall and a church. the devil is an author of confusion o. Imagine deceiving you that you cannot lead prayers nor preach and you believed

They will just spill their letters that killeth all over the platforms as correct and proper interpretation of the scriptures. That's how they stifle the spirit of God they believe in.

MaxInDHouse:
According to the Bible women aren't given any equal right with men when talking about headship in sacred service.

Try to read your Bible from Genesis and see if females were mentioned in the genealogy of God's people.

Adam's descendants, Noah's children, Abraham's, and many others only males were mentioned it's only when something tragic occurred that a female will be mentioned by name. For instance the only female name mentioned among Jacob's children is "Dinah" who was raped even Jesus' male siblings were mentioned by name {Mark 6:3} but no mention of his female siblings.

So Bible writers don't reckon with females except when something significant is involved!

Somehow you forgot the impact of Deborah, Ruth, Esther, Magdelene, Dorcas, Priscilla etc

Not keep silent as you think, you need to think deep about scriptures and pray for the understanding.

achorladey:
I know the women in churches all over the world today don't keep silent. Can you Identify one church where women are silent without speaking?

Mutaino7:
Somehow you forgot the impact of Deborah, Ruth, Esther, Magdelene, Dorcas, Priscilla etc

Of course they served God along with their male contemporaries.
What we are saying is taking the lead in worship not that no woman has ever served the true God before.
So can you remember the name of any female priest or Highpriest in ancient Israel?
Can you mention one female apostle in the midst of Jesus' chosen twelve?

That's what we are saying!

Hushpuppy20:
Not keep silent as you think, you need to think deep about scriptures and pray for the understanding.

Many don't believe any of these things they just want to misconstrue whatever is written so that those putting faith in the Bible may not reach a unanimous conclusion!

brainhgeek:
We do not box God and who He decides to use. If He uses a donkey to declare His intentions, women are better than donkeys.
A balanced analysis of the verses quoted will help a lot. We may want to ask ourselves 'was Paul speaking to the universal assembly or a local assembly? I am of the opinion that he was addressing the assemblies in Corinth and Ephesus where there were contending issues that needed to be addressed ASAP. Remember, same Paul had women (Priscilla, Phoebe, Junia(mentioned by Paul as an Apostle Romans 16:7), Chloe, Euodia, Syntyche, Mary, Julia, Tryphaena, Tryphosa ) who worked with him and many of them must have been in leadership positions and even had Churches in their houses (Romans 5) and were admins in other branches.
The verses in the book of Timothy and Corinthians did not address universal Christian women and have been taken contextually without an understanding. There was a mention of women keeping quite but elsewhere in Corinthians and Joel, the gift of prophesy is encouraged and promised. How do you prophesy and pray when you are quite? May the revelation of Christ be full in our hearts. Amen

God that used Necho of Egypt to convey message to Josiah which Josiah failed to heed and suffer the death consequence is what they want to box regarding women matter

Lamasta:
Do you know who Deborah and Esther is in the bible at all

No too mind thay one oooo. He can spill and spin anything to suit the beliefs of his religious organization even sometimes goes against them.

Satya1:
Only a silly man will go to church where a woman is the head pastor

How do you define a man of God. It will be interesting for me to know.