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judewrites:
Exactly the point I was trying to prove.
Paul was directly addressing the Corinthian church and not as a general standard that women shouldn't lead churches.

Sorry this is not true!

Paul said each letter should be read in all the churches he established:

And when this letter has been read among you, arrange for it also to be read in the congregation of the La·o·di·ceʹans and for you also to read the one from La·o·di·ceʹa. Colossians 4:16


I am putting you under the solemn obligation by the Lord to have this letter read to all the brothers. 1Thessalonians 5:27

The letters are for all the congregations!

achorladey:
Remove the all. Things that are not clearly defined is what you will call all laid out.

I don't get what you mean? Are you saying that the scriptures doesn't have biblical gender roles laid out in them?
Because the scriptures that I know of have them clearly defined, if yours don't have them laid out then I'm afraid that what you're talking about has absolutely nothing to do with the Christian Religion.

Fiscus105:
You are one of "very very few" people that I have met either online or offline, who not only understand Bible, but have deep knowledge, how to interpret any book correctly, devoid of biases or primordial sentiments.

Meanwhile, in other to buttress your submissions,.....the same Paul admonishing congregants in Cenchrea, (in the book of Roman 16:1-2), by telling them to give Phoebe (female) all necessary supports they could give, for her to be successful in her ministerial role, as new head of church in Cenchrea.

Where in the text does it say that Phoebe is the new head of the church?

Tallesty1:
Ordinarily, this may appear like universal ban but the Corinthian church was known for disorder during worship services. Corinth, being a bustling, diverse, and morally chaotic city, often struggled with maintaining structure in public gatherings. It's on record that their services had become noisy and unruly with everyone speaking at once, making it difficult to teach or worship effectively ( 1 Corinthians 14:26–33)

It is within this specific context of disruption that Paul addressed the issue of women who, at the time, have not received as much formal teaching and speaking out during worship. His instruction was about restoring order, not silencing women universally. In fact, earlier in the same letter, Paul acknowledges that women both pray and prophesy in public worship:




This emperical evidence that women were allowed and even expected to participate vocally in worship under appropriate spiritual authority and order.

Therefore, Paul was not contradicting himself but offering specific corrective guidance for a specific situation. To interpret the “silent” passage as a universal prohibition on women preaching or teaching would be to ignore the broader scriptural witness and the immediate literary and historical context.

If you argue that Paul’s instruction for women to remain silent in church as seen in 1 Corinthians 14:34–35 was limited only to the Corinthian congregation and not intended as a universal command, then that raises a serious inconsistency. Why, then, were only women told to be silent? Were men completely innocent of causing any disruptions in the church? Was it only the women who were creating disorder, while the men were always orderly and quiet? That’s highly unlikely, especially considering human nature and the general pattern of behavior observed across both genders as well as the context of the text. If Paul’s concern was simply about maintaining order, he would have addressed both men and women equally if both were equally responsible. But he singles out women not out of prejudice or cultural sensitivity but because he is reinforcing a principle that goes beyond Corinth and touches the structure God ordained for church leadership and teaching.

To further reinforce this, consider 1 Timothy 2:11–14, where Paul instructs, "Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence." He doesn't appeal to cultural norms of the time or some isolated church issue, his reason is theological and rooted in creation itself: “For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived fell into transgression.” In other words, this instruction is not based on temporary customs or first-century Greco-Roman culture, but on the created order established by God from the beginning. Paul is making a universal, doctrinal point, not giving context-specific advice.
This makes it clear that the office of elder or pastor is reserved exclusively for qualified men. This isn’t about personal opinion or modern preferences, it’s about obedience to the clear teaching of Scripture. Eldership involves authoritative teaching and spiritual oversight of the congregation, both of which 1 Timothy 2 says a woman is not to exercise over men. Those who support the idea of female pastors must wrestle not just with a handful of verses, but with the entire biblical framework for spiritual leadership in the Church (and home as well). The Pastoral Epistles which includes 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, and Titus outline specific qualifications for elders and overseers, and in every instance, those qualifications assume a male leader (“the husband of one wife,” “manages his household well,” etc.).

Churches that place women in pastoral roles, no matter how well-intentioned, stand in open contradiction to these commands. This isn’t about demeaning women or diminishing their worth. On the contrary, women are vital to the life of the church and serve in many necessary and meaningful roles. But the authoritative office of pastor or elder is not one of them and this is not because women are inferior, but because God, in His wisdom, designed it that way. To reject this structure is not to challenge a tradition, it is to defy the authority of Scripture and God Himself.

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry this is not true!

Paul said each letter should be read in all the churches he established:

And when this letter has been read among you, arrange for it also to be read in the congregation of the La·o·di·ceʹans and for you also to read the one from La·o·di·ceʹa. Colossians 4:16


I am putting you under the solemn obligation by the Lord to have this letter read to all the brothers. 1Thessalonians 5:27

The letters are for all the congregations!

Paul was simply instructing order in the then Corinthian church. The Corinthian church women were not organized in their speaking in church and that was why Paul said they should be silent.

Why would God put the HOLY GHOST in men and women and expect women to be quiet?

Haba, don't be biased.

GreatAchiever1:
I don't get what you mean? Are you saying that the scriptures doesn't have biblical gender roles laid out in them?
Because the scriptures that I know of have them clearly defined, if yours don't have them laid out then I'm afraid that what you're talking about has absolutely nothing to do with the Christian Religion.

Stop using all gender roles when you know your Bible didn't state all gender roles
Do you get it now?

MaxInDHouse:
You don't understand the import of that verse! 1Corinthans 13:9

Paul wrote this letter around 60-66 c.e. that's around three decades after Jesus' death so the Bible (Complete Scriptures) has not been completed which means all what they knew as at that time is still INCOMPLETE since the Bible has not been complete the inspiration continues until around 98 c.e. by that time Paul has been killed when John the apostle wrote his letters and gospel.

That's what Paul meant not that we will now abandon the standard Jesus laid down and start practicing what is not in his teachings.

Whether you like it or not a teacher does not need to say everything by words his actions also teaches intelligent students as they watches everything he does not just words! 1Peter 2:21

What you know even till today is incomplete you are not omnipotent or omniscient

judewrites:
Paul was simply instructing order in the then Corinthian church. The Corinthian church women were not organized in their speaking in church and that was why Paul said they should be silent.
Why would God put the HOLY GHOST in men and women and expect women to be quiet?
Haba, don't be biased.

God's Holy Spirit works in many ways so the spirit given to females in Christianity is not to lead in worship that's why Paul said angels are concerned! 1Corinthans 11:10
The letters must be read in all the churches not only among Corinthians!

Lamasta:
What you know even till today is incomplete you are not omnipotent or omniscient

So let us practice the one we know now and leave the ones unknown!

MaxInDHouse:
So let us practice the one we know now and leave the ones unknown!

You one you think you know you only know it in part

achorladey:
Stop using all gender roles when you know your Bible didn't state all gender roles
Do you get it now?

My guy, it's clearly you either don't know the bible or you don't know what you're saying.

Lamasta:
You one you think you know you only know it in part

Knowing in part back then simply means the Bible has not been completed if you don't understand that's why John the last inspired writer said:

"NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION" Revelations 22:18-19

Otherwise you have nothing to say when Muslims claim they got something new!

MaxInDHouse:
Knowing in part back then simply means the Bible has not been completed if you don't understand that's why John the last inspired writer said:

"NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION" Revelations 22:18-19

Otherwise you have nothing to say when Muslims claim they got something new!

Go and sit down are you John the Baptist seeing visions

GreatAchiever1:
My guy, it's clearly you either don't know the bible or you don't know what you're saying.

Simple question for you

Do your Bible specify all gender roles for men and women?

A. Yes

B. No

C. A and B

D. Thread carefully

achorladey:
Simple question for you

Do your Bible specify all gender roles for men and women?

A. Yes

B. No

C. A and B

D. Thread carefully

Unlike you that shy away from direct questions thrown at you. I will answer this.

Scriptures contain everything needed for life and godliness which is shown in 2 Peter 1:3-4. It says, " His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires."
This verse highlights that believers have all they need to live a life that pleases God and to experience His promises because of God's omnipotence and the knowledge of Jesus Christ and that includes gender roles amongst others , so going by that, your answer is A.

Lamasta:
Go and sit down are you John the Baptist seeing visions

I'm not standing in the first place so if you are not comfortable with the truth it's no big issue that's the same way the prophets of Baal in Israel were arguing against Elijah despite seeing what Moses taught in the law. Matthew 5:11-12
No woman has ever led worship in God's word they are appreciated for the part they played in supporting pure worship in kind but they were never part of Priests in the Old Testament or Apostles in the New Testament!

GreatAchiever1:
Unlike you that shy away from direct questions thrown at you. I will answer this. Scriptures contain everything needed for life and godliness which is shown in 2 Peter 1:3-4. It says, " His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires."
This verse highlights that believers have all they need to live a life that pleases God and to experience His promises because of God's omnipotence and the knowledge of Jesus Christ and that includes gender roles amongst others , so going by that, your answer is A.

Many have trashed faith in God but when others are talking about faith they rush in not for righteousness but to discourage faithful ones.

Please ask him the church where he practice his own Christianity today.

At least he was once a JW the funny thing is he criticizes all churches that stands out from corruption.

Before i used to engage him as he often speaks against Jehovah's Witnesses but the last time i noticed him speaking against Kumuyi i realized he's not interested in faith again he's just trolling up and down!

GreatAchiever1:
Unlike you that shy away from direct questions thrown at you. I will answer this.

Scriptures contain everything needed for life and godliness which is shown in 2 Peter 1:3-4. It says, " His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires."
This verse highlights that believers have all they need to live a life that pleases God and to experience His promises because of God's omnipotence and the knowledge of Jesus Christ and that includes gender roles amongst others , so going by that, your answer is A.

Looooool! See my question again.....

Do your Bible specify all gender roles for men and women?

You came back with

This verse highlights that believers have all they need to [b]live a life that pleases God and to experience His promises because of God's omnipotence and the knowledge of Jesus Christ and that includes gender roles amongst others [/b], so going by that, your answer is A.

Knowledge of Jesus Christ and God's omnipotence is different from specific gender roles for men and women.

Option A don't match your wordy answer to hide what you know is not in your Bible.


Don't confuse yourself in hope of wanting to convince me of what I know is not in your Bible.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not standing in the first place so if you are not comfortable with the truth it's no big issue that's the same way the prophets of Baal in Israel were arguing against Elijah despite seeing what Moses taught in the law. Matthew 5:11-12
No woman has ever led worship in God's word they are appreciated for the part they played in supporting pure worship in kind but they were never part of Priests in the Old Testament or Apostles in the New Testament!

You are not saying any truth you are only saying from your little knowledge, I have asked you where in the bible was it written that women should not pastor a church or Jesus emphatically said it that women should not pastor a church you did not give a direct answer but beating round the bush telling us you have knowledge......

You can compare me with whatever you like cos am not surprise though but one thing is sure You can never know the ways of God fully no matter how knowledgeable you think you are

MaxInDHouse:
Many have trashed faith in God but when others are talking about faith they rush in not for righteousness but to discourage faithful ones.

Please ask him the church where he practice his own Christianity today.

At least he was once a JW the funny thing is he criticizes all churches that stands out from corruption.

Before i used to engage him as he often speaks against Jehovah's Witnesses but the last time i noticed him speaking against Kumuyi i realized he's not interested in faith again he's just trolling up and down!

You need to console your brains. I don't fall for your lies and manipulations and I expose it constantly the need you have to avoid me. Even your brains knows that your Jehovah does not give you a Bible that contains all specific gender roles for men and women.

Many have trashed faith in God but when others are talking about faith they rush in not for righteousness but to discourage faithful ones.

That includes an elder of religious organization that preach about people having faith not even in Jesus both a visible organization as packed into his brains by his GODS of men housed in USA.

Please ask him the church where he practice his own Christianity today.

You know it and you lamented badly about it even calling me scoffers and keep looking for company amongst scoffers and sinners. Dumb

At least he was once a JW the funny thing is he criticizes all churches that stands out from corruption.

Your religious organization are as corrupt as the very ones you love to call Christendom and false Christians. Evidence are right here even in your own words that your members are sinners, hypocrites, influenced by the Devil and need to be looked upon as suspect

Before i used to engage him as he often speaks against Jehovah's Witnesses but the last time i noticed him speaking against Kumuyi i realized he's not interested in faith again he's just trolling up and down!

You even know I am Emusan = Achorladey and an atheist in your lies and manipulations filled brains.

Lamasta:
You are not saying any truth you are only saying from your little knowledge, I have asked you where in the bible was it written that women should not pastor a church or Jesus emphatically said it that women should not pastor a church you did not give a direct answer but beating round the bush telling us you have knowledge......
You can compare me with whatever you like cos am not surprise though but one thing is sure You can never know the ways of God fully no matter how knowledgeable you think you are

Where in the Bible is it written that a woman has served as pastor in church?

MaxInDHouse:
Where in the Bible is it written that a woman has served as pastor in church?

You don't have any point again so stop the agenda against women leading services in church, God has never rejected women from ministering in his vineyard it is you lots that wants to be pushing an agenda against women serving in church which has no biblical backing or Yahweh's backing.....

Lamasta:
You don't have any point again so stop the agenda against women leading services in church, God has never rejected women from ministering in his vineyard it is you lots that wants to be pushing an agenda against women serving in church which has no biblical backing or Yahweh's backing.....

You're not getting the point do you?

Women do minister in my church but to lead in worship or teach men in church is what the Bible CONDEMNS!

Here are the Bible verses again:

"Let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but she is to remain silent" 1Timothy 2:11-12

But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God. 1Corinthans 11:3

In fact, as the congregation is in subjection to the Christ, wives should also be to their husbands in everything. Ephesians 5:24

let the women keep silent in the congregations, for it is not permitted for them to speak. Rather, let them be in subjection, as the Law also says. If they want to learn something, let them ask their husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the congregation. 1Corinthans 14:34-35

You can twist it as you want but know it's God's word not mine!

MaxInDHouse:
You're not getting the point do you?

Women do minister in my church but to lead in worship or teach men in church is what the Bible CONDEMNS!

Here are the Bible verses again:

"Let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but she is to remain silent" 1Timothy 2:11-12

But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God. 1Corinthans 11:3

In fact, as the congregation is in subjection to the Christ, wives should also be to their husbands in everything. Ephesians 5:24

let the women keep silent in the congregations, for it is not permitted for them to speak. Rather, let them be in subjection, as the Law also says. If they want to learn something, let them ask their husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the congregation. 1Corinthans 14:34-35

You can twist it as you want but know it's God's word not mine!

Are the women in your midst silent in kingdom halls and congregation?

See more twisting and manipulations of the scriptures.

Lamasta:
You don't have any point again so stop the agenda against women leading services in church, God has never rejected women from ministering in his vineyard it is you lots that wants to be pushing an agenda against women serving in church which has no biblical backing or Yahweh's backing.....

What they can't counter is Jesus is the head of the congregation. The man is not and never given the head of the congregation

MaxInDHouse:
You're not getting the point do you?

Women do minister in my church but to lead in worship or teach men in church is what the Bible CONDEMNS!

Here are the Bible verses again:

"Let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but she is to remain silent" 1Timothy 2:11-12

But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God. 1Corinthans 11:3

In fact, as the congregation is in subjection to the Christ, wives should also be to their husbands in everything. Ephesians 5:24

let the women keep silent in the congregations, for it is not permitted for them to speak. Rather, let them be in subjection, as the Law also says. If they want to learn something, let them ask their husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the congregation. 1Corinthans 14:34-35

You can twist it as you want but know it's God's word not mine!

The writings of Paul are his personal opinions not that of Yahweh 1 Corinthians 7:6, II Corinthians 11:17

https://spectrummagazine.org/culture/paul-and-his-opinions/

achorladey:
What they can't counter is Jesus is the head of the congregation. The man is not and never given the head of the congregation

He needs to learn more he's becoming authoritative in his opinions

Lamasta:
The writings of Paul are his personal opinions not that of Yahweh 1 Corinthians 7:6, II Corinthians 11:17

The highlighted is what you should have said from the onset to avoid being taught the truth!
For your information Jesus chose Paul to serve as apostle for the gentiles {Act 9:15} and apostle Peter admonished us to listen and learn Christianity from Paul {2Peter 3:15} because God gave him wisdom required to establish churches according to Jesus' instructions.
So if you're a Jew and feel like Paul isn't qualified enough to teach you Christianity you can be excused but as a gentile you have no option than to stick to whatever Paul say should be the norm in Christianity!

Lamasta:
He needs to learn more he's becoming authoritative in his opinions

It's never my opinion it's the authority as found WRITTEN in God's word against which no one has a say! 2Timothy 3:16; 2Peter 1:21

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is what you should have said from the onset to avoid being taught the truth!
For your information Jesus chose Paul to serve as apostle for the gentiles {Act 9:15} and apostle Peter admonished us to listen and learn Christianity from Paul {2Peter 3:15} because God gave him wisdom required to establish churches according to Jesus' instructions.
So if you're a Jew and feel like Paul isn't qualified enough to teach you Christianity you can be excused but as a gentile you have no option than to stick to whatever Paul say should be the norm in Christianity!

I can only say it is well with you, shalom.

Lamasta:
I can only say itt is well with you, shalom.

It's OK, just know that the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob (Israel) never appointed a female to lead males in worship.
That's what we found WRITTEN in the Bible!

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK, just know that the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob (Israel) never appointed a female to lead males in worship.
That's what we found WRITTEN in the Bible!

Your opinion not Gods so stop shoving it here okay