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Some people in this thread drank bleach instead of kool aid.
And they think because they did, they are white.

Some very willfully shameful posts on here.

cococandy:
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It’s giving the Rwanda genocide where the oppressors were okay killing the other tribes because they are “roaches” not human.

Exactly it.
There's an underlying current of dehumanization.
I'll go as far as to say that anyone who is read up on and still supports the current version of Israel also believes that there are certain people who are subhuman and unworthy of the same rights and freedoms others have.
Shades of colonialism.
But ey, some in this thread wish they would have been slaves in the US.

Ibime:
Let me quote him again, when did Israel behead journalist. To cut and join an accused with another is lying.

As for Al Shifa hospital I've never seen a hospital fight against a whole army division for 2 weeks. I'm sure if Nigerian army march on LUTH today, they will pass through the Hospital in 10 seconds. Hospitals now have standing armies that can hold off a division of a super powers army for 2 weeks. The Chief Medical Officer of the hospital should be promoted to Field Marshal for such military genius. Any body found there is a terrorist or a victim used as human shield by the terrorist.

Israel killed a US journalist Shireen Abu Akleh.
Then they lied about it repeatedly and covered it up with the help of the Biden administration.
In fact Israel has become one of the most dangerous places for journalists.
Yeah, all those clearly marked journalists and aid workers killed, some American were purely all accidental (wink wink).
So, no, you are only safe in Israel, even as an American, if you support Israel.

It takes a lot of rationalization to believe everything Israel says is true is true.
Btw, where are those WMD Netanyahu swore Saddam had? Have we found them yet?

raumdeuter:
You said the Palestinians don't want this but why do they have it? When Israel left Gaza in 2005, they left a fully functional society for them, Now add the aids Gaza has been getting. How did a fully functional society turn into one without basic facilities, Its simply because Hamas the govt of Gaza were not interested in Nation or infrastructure building, The only infrastructure worth building are those that can be used to attack Israel and further their genocidal wishes.

Does Gaza want a 2 state solution or they just want the eradication of Israel according to their charter


I am sure Netanyahu believed the same thing as Golda Meir said, " "If we have to choose between being dead and pitied, and being alive with a bad image, we’d rather be alive and have the bad image.”

He is trying to keep his people alive and not have them killed. Whatever you say about Bibi, he is still alive today and protecting his people from genocidal maniacs

With all these you wrote, You haven't answered why Gaza leaders(Hamas) are able to get a cache of rockets everyday but unable to get food and water for their people. You see starving children images from Gaza but the Hamas fighters are always fat and look heathier than you while at war. What does that tell you? It shows the Gaza leaders only care about their own fighters and the only thing they use their own kids for is propaganda

I have hardly seen you shed a drop of tear on this thread for other kids involved in conflicts around the war. The kids of Israel killed and roasted alive on October 7 they do not want to be in those places. Nor even the kids of Darfur that are being wiped out since 2003. According to most figures about half a million civilians have been wiped out since 2003, mostly kids like yours. You havent spent one second caring about them nor shedding a tear for them

lol. I didn't know I have to tag you every time I feel bad with the killing / hurting of a child anywhere... I would have made a post or a video tagging you when I couldn't hold back tears just about 3 days ago after seeing VDM's video showing kids burnt to death in Benue.

All I said is that you show some concern for those innocent Palestinian children too, they are not less human compare to Israeli children under better care. I am not asking you tales of whose fault is it that they found themselves in that situation.

There is a question I have been wanting to ask you...not that it matters, and you really don't have to answer. Do you have a kid of your own? I have been wanting to ask since we had the argument on child support; for which you were less concerned about children suffering the consequences of their parent bad choices, you cared less about those kids, you were only concerned about not using the tax of those who are childless to care for those kids in the name of tax credit... Since then you give me an impression of either being childless or one of those mean 'dracula' daddies.

IjeBos:
Israel killed a US journalist Shireen Abu Akleh.
Then they lied about it repeatedly and covered it up with the help of the Biden administration.
In fact Israel has become one of the most dangerous places for journalists.

Did they behead him?

No shìt Sherlock, a place where bombs are dropping and projectiles are being fired is dangerous for any living thing, even cats, dogs and hedgehogs

Alternative (and more accurate) description of the events in Al Shifa hospital

Terrorists who indiscriminately murdered 1,400 Israelis are holed up in, and under Al Shifa hospital

Israel could drop a bunker busting bomb and eliminate all of those terrorists but that would kill all the patients and the civilians sheltered there. To save the patients, Israel sacrifices dozens of it's mens lives in hand-to-hand urban hospital corridor combat just to save as many patients as possible.

These are some of the ways Israel goes out of its way to reduce civilian casualties. Hamas or Iran would have dropped a bunker busting bomb on the hospital and take the patients as collateral damage

I know some emotional people will cry at this post but simple logic dictates a Hospital is not an armed entity that can fight off an army for 2 weeks and the onus is on combatants not to go and turn a Hospital into a trench from which to fight an enemy

ObaIgwe1:
lol. I didn't know I have to tag you every time I feel bad with the killing / hurting of a child anywhere... I would have made a post or a video tagging you when I couldn't hold back tears just about 3 days ago after seeing VDM's video showing kids burnt to death in Benue.

All I said is that you show some concern for those innocent Palestinian children too, they are not less human compare to Israeli children under better care. I am not asking you tales of whose fault is it that they found themselves in that situation.

There is a question I have been wanting to ask you...not that it matters, and you really don't have to answer. Do you have a kid of your own? I have been wanting to ask since we had the argument on child support; for which you were less concerned about children suffering the consequences of their parent bad choices, you cared less about those kids, you were only concerned about not using the tax of those who are childless to care for those kids in the name of tax credit... Since then you give me an impression of either being childless or one of those mean 'dracula' daddies.

I don't think its fair to use someone else's resources who probably didn't want children or have just the number he can afford to care for those who want children. Its about personal responsibility. You pay for the life you want. When your kids grow and they are comforting you, will you share them with people who don't have kids since they shared their money with you? Conventional wisdom says you give birth to the number you can care for. Even in Nigeria they always preach about having kids you can care for

And this by extension goes to Hamas and Gaza, Who should care more about Gaza kids? Should that be Israel or Hamas? I asked you why are Hamas fighters always getting food and the kids always looking starved. What type of parent feeds fat and his kids are hungry

Wars are bad which is why every sensible person always frown against people who always seek chaos like Hamas Hezbollah Houthis and Iran who foment and sponsor warlike situations. When it starts innocent people get affected by it. That your disgust should be sent to the Gaza leaders who chose to provoke a war. Don't you think so? That is a better place to invest your emotions IMO

Ibime:
Did they behead him?

No shìt Sherlock, a place where bombs are dropping and projectiles are being fired is dangerous for any living thing, even cats, dogs and hedgehogs

Her, and I guess beheading someone makes them more dead than shooting them through the head.

Yeah it is a very dangerous, esp when there are a lot of random bullets and bombs from Israeli soldiers that seem to randomly find and kill all these journalists and aid workers in marked vehicles and wearing marked clothing.

This is my point about Israel being a rorschach test.
In this post you just rationalized assassinating an American journalist by shooting her in the head and that Israel routinely kills Journalists and Foreign Aid Workers.

This should be easy.
Everyone should be able to say, "Purposefully Killing Journalists(and she was American) and aid workers is wrong. And Israel should be held accountable for that."
You should ask yourself why you can't.

Lol.
One day to the Next.
Cult indeed.

raumdeuter:
I don't think its fair to use someone else's resources who probably didn't want children or have just the number he can afford to care for those who want children. Its about personal responsibility. You pay for the life you want. When your kids grow and they are comforting you, will you share them with people who don't have kids since they shared their money with you? Conventional wisdom says you give birth to the number you can care for. Even in Nigeria they always preach about having kids you can care for

It is a myopic view to think that a successful child only benefits his/her immediate family. No! Every successful child benefits the whole society and the country at large. Think of all those successful American Billionaires, inventors, entrepreneurs, researchers etc... do they only benefit their parents or immediate families?

Secondly, Every child belong to the government and has a right to life. It is only fair that government should have policies that ensure that no child is left behind. Until the government makes laws limiting the number of child a family can have or makes it a crime for a parent to have more than they can care for, and even when they make such laws and there are defaulters, the government can punish such defaulter, but must ensure that no child suffers or is left behind as a result of his/her family poor choices and circumstances. This is why many countries makes laws for foster cares.

I believe we live in communities not in cages and we should be each other brother/sister's keeper, especially when raising the next generation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLMv08BAXF8?si=vYMVKmzg1Dk7vUh2

Sounds like Isreal thinks that they get to decide who’s human and who’s not

raumdeuter:
You said the Palestinians don't want this but why do they have it? When Israel left Gaza in 2005, they left a fully functional society for them.

You are being selective by halves. Heres a contrary.

In 2005, Israel disengaged from the Gaza Strip by dismantling all 21 Israeli settlements there.[1] As part of this process, four Israeli settlements in the West Bank were dismantled as well. The disengagement was executed unilaterally: Israeli authorities did not coordinate with the Palestinian National Authority (PNA) to facilitate an orderly transfer of administrative power following the withdrawal of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) from the Gaza Strip.[2] Since then, the United Nations, many other international humanitarian and legal organizations, and most academic commentators have continued to regard the Gaza Strip as being under Israeli occupation due to Israel's active control over the territory's external affairs, as affirmed by the 2024 International Court of Justice advisory opinion.[3] Historically, according to Article 42 of the Hague Regulations and precedent in international law, it has been generally understood that a territory remains effectively occupied so long as a belligerent's authority is established and exercised over it, even if said belligerent does not have ground forces deployed in the area.

The year following the disengagement saw a tightening of external Israeli control over Gaza, specifically, the closure of crossings into Gaza for people and goods, increased restrictions on the coastline for fishing, and increased aerial, maritime and on the ground military activity. The Israeli human rights organization Gisha lists various examples of actions requiring Israeli permission or approval in the year following the disengagement. These restrictions include the need for Israeli permission to import basic necessities such as milk, to host foreign lecturers at universities, and register children in the Palestinian population registry. Additionally, fishermen must obtain permission to fish....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_the_Gaza_Strip

IjeBos:
Her, and I guess beheading someone makes them more dead than shooting them through the head.

Please go and ask him where Israel beheaded someone. We don't need long story

ObaIgwe1:
It is a myopic view to think that a successful child only benefits his/her immediate family. No! Every successful child benefits the whole society and the country at large. Think of all those successful American Billionaires, inventors, entrepreneurs, researchers etc... do they only benefit their parents or immediate families?

Secondly, Every child belong to the government and has a right to life. It is only fair that government should have policies that ensure that no child is left behind. Until the government makes laws limiting the number of child a family can have or makes it a crime for a parent to have more than they can care for, and even when they make such laws and there are defaulters, the government can punish such defaulter, but must ensure that no child suffers or is left behind as a result of his/her family poor choices and circumstances. This is why many countries makes laws for foster cares.

I believe we live in communities not in cages and we should be each other brother/sister's keeper, especially when raising the next generation.

It is simple, those who choose not to have children should not pay for the children of those who choose to have

Some people chose to live without kids, maybe to have more disposable income to travel and do other things to their lives, Why should thy be punished and have their money taken from them

Before you have kids, you plan on the number you can care for, Not having kids so that govt or your neighbor can help you care for them.

So should govt start punishing those who chose not to have kids, or those who have just 1 or 2

Let me ask you, Did you birth your kids so that govt or your neighbor can help you care for them? If you didn't then tell why not?

budaatum:
You are being selective by halves. Heres a contrary.

What is contrary there? Israel moved out and handed everything in Gaza to the control of the Palestinian, what did they make of it? 20yrs later they havent turned it into a prosperous society but they have spent all their money procuring rockets to kill Israelis

Gaza can run out of water, medicine but they never run out of rockets

Ibime:
Please go and ask him where Israel beheaded someone. We don't need long story

The simple question is, how much worse is beheading a journalist than shooting them in the head?
You seem either unable to or unwilling to answer.
And you seem to be indignant about one while you rationalize the other.

IjeBos:
The simple question is, how much worse is beheading a journalist than shooting them in the head?
You seem either unable to or unwilling to answer.
And you seem to be indignant about one while you rationalize the other.

Proof of deliberate shooting in the head sanctioned by the Israeli Government?

We all know it's either a stray bullet, or an individual soldier gone beserk

All you Søyboys know to do is get emotional about collateral damage and not concerned about deliberate and indiscriminate genocide sanctioned by Hamas and Iran

Beheading is a a deliberate act of bloodlust from someone who savours the murder. In order to equate Israel with the barbarous terrorists you support, you start lying accusing them of the same things the terrorists are known for, like beheadings

Ibime:
Proof of deliberate shooting in the head sanctioned by the Israeli Government?

We all know it's either a stray bullet, or an individual soldier gone beserk

All you Søyboys know to do is get emotional about collateral damage and not concerned about deliberate and indiscriminate genocide sanctioned by Hamas and Iran

Beheading is a a deliberate act of bloodlust from someone who savours the murder. In order to equate Israel with the barbarous terrorists you support, you start lying accusing them of the same things the terrorists are known for, like beheadings

Soyboy? It's always funny how certain topics turn seemingly reasonable people into trolling internet tough guys.
If you can't win your argument without insulting people, it's probably because your argument is weak.
And you should stay on topics you have a chance on winning or failing less at.

But, you seem to be getting emotional about this.
You should take that energy and google Israel's history, complete with all their bombing campaigns and attacks on allies (King David Hotel bombing), attacks on US ships (USS Liberty), assassination attempts (Lord Moyne) and all the "individual soldiers" who "went berserk" and have killed Westernerners and innocent Palestinians.

You seem to be long on words and short on an actual understanding of the history of the country you cap for.
Do your research.

raumdeuter:
It is simple, those who choose not to have children should not pay for the children of those who choose to have

Some people chose to live without kids, maybe to have more disposable income to travel and do other things to their lives, Why should thy be punished and have their money taken from them

Before you have kids, you plan on the number you can care for, Not having kids so that govt or your neighbor can help you care for them.

So should govt start punishing those who chose not to have kids, or those who have just 1 or 2

Let me ask you, Did you birth your kids so that govt or your neighbor can help you care for them? If you didn't then tell why not?

It's not about me. It does not end with me having best plan and means to care for my kids, I am also concerned about the community where I raise my kids and the values I am passing to them, and how they should see and treat their neighbors, including the less privileged ones. Remember also there is no perfect plan that is foolproof. Life also happens to best plans. What happens when plans for the children fail? do we throw away the children as collateral damage to failed plans?

It's not even just at that, in a scenario where there is a careless/useless neighbor who is irresponsible towards his/her children, you are that neighbor who if when can help will rather ignore those kids and let them become a nuisance to the community, and protect your home and property and blame the failed parent unending, but I am that neighbor that will do all in my power to help those children become someone in life, and blame the parent later, not expecting anything in return.

My key issue is that the children are innocent of the bad plan, choices and failure of their parent and should not be allowed to suffer the consequences of their parent's failures when help can be extended to them... I guess that to you is a bad and unnecessary inconvenience and sacrifice, while I see it as a community duty.

I don't blame or fault you... I think we are just different people who should not belong to the same community.

ObaIgwe1:
It's not about me. It does not end with me having best plan and means to care for my kids, I am also concerned about the community where I raise my kids and the values I am passing to them, and how they should see and treat their neighbors, including the less privileged ones. Remember also there is no perfect plan that is foolproof. Life also happens to best plans. What happens when plans for the children fail? do we throw away the children as collateral damage to failed plans?

It's not even just at that, in a scenario where there is a careless/useless neighbor who is irresponsible towards his/her children, you are that neighbor who if when can help will rather ignore those kids and let them become a nuisance to the community, and protect your home and property and blame the failed parent unending, but I am that neighbor that will do all in my power to help those children become someone in life, and blame the parent later, not expecting anything in return.

My key issue is that the children are innocent of the bad plan, choices and failure of their parent and should not be allowed to suffer the consequences of their parent's failures when help can be extended to them... I guess that to you is a bad and unnecessary inconvenience and sacrifice, while I see it as a community duty.

I don't blame or fault you... I think we are just different people who should not belong to the same community.

I believe in personal responsibility and the children you choose to birth are your responsibilities, not the govt nor your neighbor. Appealing to emotions or sentiments is not going to absolve you of responsibility.

Children are innocent that is why adults have to be responsible and take care of the children they got through their deliberate actions.

I assume your parents took care of you, they had the number they could provide for, You probably are ding the same, why shouldnt the next person do that as well? Or you dont know how to run riot and birth 20kids and throw them to the society?

This is exactly the thinking in places in Northern Nigeria where they have the kids and hope the govt or neighbors will care for them while throwing them on the street to become menace to the society

I hope to live in a communty where people take personal responsibility and not hope their neighbors will help them to pay for their childrens upkeep

budaatum:
We liberals need to give credit to dump for reducing food prices, which will reduce inflation and make aga.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sLKskYbhL8?si=HiYKTcmNaZ6FwRjl

Food is still expensive. Not to talk of other things...bill went up too. It is like NIN are the only ones enjoying - no bills and no hike on the billing.

Price of beef, fish etc are up.
Let me pass the offering plate for Dayo and Basilico to put money so man pickin can eat wild salmon.

raumdeuter:
What is contrary there? Israel moved out and handed everything in Gaza to the control of the Palestinian, what did they make of it? 20yrs later they havent turned it into a prosperous society but they have spent all their money procuring rockets to kill Israelis

Gaza can run out of water, medicine but they never run out of rockets

Everyone living on both side should move to other nearby countries - Palestinian and Israelite. Fight, make up, build, then fight, make up, build unending.
Isn't it tiring ?

IjeBos:
But, you seem to be getting emotional about this.
You should take that energy and google Israel's history, complete with all their bombing campaigns and attacks on allies (King David Hotel bombing), attacks on US ships (USS Liberty), assassination attempts (Lord Moyne) and all the "individual soldiers" who "went berserk" and have killed Westernerners and innocent Palestinians.

You seem to know more than their allies who accepted the friendly fire on USS Liberty and still support them nyafu nyafu

Your hate is so deep, you went to bring up incidents by seperatist groups before Israel even became a country in 1948

This is what happens when you live in anti Israel echo chambers. You become so stewp√d you begin to support regimes who are the anthesis of the freedoms you espouse. Your fellow Sōyboys are flying from buildings without wings in the jurisdiction you support. Only a confused person doesn't know where they sit on a spectrum of freedom between Israel and its sectarian enemies who go and kill each other all over the Middle East in the absence of Israel

You think the absence of Israel will make the Middle East calm when Iran and it's proxy have killed 3 times as many Sunnis in Yemen in the last 10 years than 80 years of Palestine. That's before we go to Syria or Lebanon. May God protect us from the level of emotional confusion worrying you.

armyofone:
Everyone living on both side should move to other nearby countries - Palestinian and Israelite. Fight, make up, build, then fight, make up, build unending.
Isn't it tiring ?

It is indeed tiring for people who want to live a normal life but when you are dealing with a murderous cult who have declared that they do not recognize your right to life, what will you do?

Ibime:


You seem to know more than their allies who accepted the friendly fire on USS Liberty and still support them nyafu nyafu

Your hate is so deep, you went to bring up incidents by seperatist groups before Israel even became a country in 1948

This is what happens when you live in anti Israel echo chambers. You become so stewp√d you begin to support regimes who are the anthesis of the freedoms you espouse. Your fellow Sōyboys are flying from buildings without wings in the jurisdiction you support. Only a confused person doesn't know where they sit on a spectrum of freedom between Israel and its sectarian enemies who go and kill each other all over the Middle East in the absence of Israel

You think the absence of Israel will make the Middle East calm when Iran and it's proxy have killed 3 times as many Sunnis in Yemen in the last 10 years than 80 years of Palestine. That's before we go to Syria or Lebanon. May God protect us from the level of emotional confusion worrying you.

Separatist groups whose leaders/members later became Israeli Prime Ministers?
The USS Liberty was bombed by a separatist group in 1967?

Look at all the rationals you make to support Israel.
You rationalized them bombing a US ship.
Rationalized all the zionist "terrorism" in the UK.
Rationalized the murder of American journalists.
Rationalized the razing of GAZA

Israel nor Iran support the version of freedoms I espouse.
But for you Israel, its apartheid, it's religious state and its brutality seem to be par for the course.

Look, cowards generally are the first to speak of violence.
Those familiar with violence generally understand its consequences and therefore always see it as a last resort which also means one has failed other methods.
Being weary of violence doesn't mean one is scared of violence, it just means one is wise.
Something you haven't seemed to have learned.

Ibime:

You seem to know more than their allies who accepted the friendly fire on USS Liberty and still support them nyafu nyafu

Friendly Fire indeed:

The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship (a spy ship), USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy motor torpedo boats, on 8 June 1967, during the Six-Day War.[2] The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two marines, and one civilian NSA employee), wounded 171 crew members, and severely damaged the ship.[3] At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nautical miles (47.2 km; 29.3 mi) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.[1][4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

This is the type of dishonesty it takes to support Israel.