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Steep:
even historians who anti Christianity cannot deny the historicity of Christ. The writers of the gospels are not unknown they are Mathew mark Luke and John.
So Jesus is not a myth after all, right? You guys are in deep trouble.

femi4:
If its for the same reason, Jesus wouldn't have come.

None of the guys you mentioned replaced the blood of an animal with his blood

After Jesus, the remission of sins via blood of animal stopped.

He was the last prophet that came

22jumpstreet:
Where did you get the idea that God needs blood before he can forgive......and the blood of a human for that matter?

ebubeson:
Jesus primary reason of coming to this world was not to make you a successful business person, a rich person, a visionary leader, a prosperous career man or woman, a guru in the oil industry, a global figure e.t.c. All these are part of what the power of Jesus can do, but these are not His primary purpose of coming.

Jesus primary purpose of coming is to take away sin, break sinful addictions, to give us power to be holy and make heaven.

John 1:29 "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world"..

Please pray this prayer very genuinely now: "Lord Jesus, forgive my sins now, take away my sins, come into my life and be my Lord and personal Saviour in Jesus name. Amen".

femi4:
You read my post upside down

Go Sunday school, you no gree

Uder the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Hebrews 9:22 ESV

22jumpstreet:
Purified with blood?
This is pagan practice oh..
Where did you get it from?
The idea that Jesus’ death serves as an atonement for sin is not valid, for several key reasons grounded in Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) and Halachah (Jewish law).

Let’s break it down clearly and respectfully:

1. Human Sacrifice is Rejected by Torah

As mentioned before:
• Deuteronomy 12:31, Leviticus 18:21, Jeremiah 7:31 – Human sacrifice is called an abomination, not a path to holiness.
• Jesus being presented as a “sacrifice” directly contradicts the Torah’s teaching on what sacrifices are permissible: only specific kosher animals, offered in the Temple, and never humans.

2. Vicarious Atonement is Rejected
• Ezekiel 18:20 – “The soul that sins, it shall die.” No one can die for someone else’s sin.
• Torah’s model of atonement is individual responsibility and repentance (teshuvah).
• The prophets emphasize that God desires a contrite heart, not blood (see Hosea 14:3, Micah 6:6–8, Psalm 51).

3. Jesus Did Not Meet Messianic or Priestly Criteria
• If Jesus were a legitimate offering, he would have to be:
• A Levitical priest to offer a sacrifice (he wasn’t).
• Without blemish (sinless) – which is a theological claim but not a provable fact.
• Offered in the Temple by authorized priests—which didn’t happen.

Even the Christian claim that Jesus “fulfilled” the role of the Paschal Lamb (korban Pesach) is deeply flawed:
• The Passover lamb was never a sin offering.
• It was eaten by families, not offered for atonement.

4. The Temple System Was Not Replaced by a Person
• Torah and the Prophets never hint that sacrifices would one day be replaced by the death of a man.
• When the Temple is gone, the response is repentance, prayer, and deeds of lovingkindness (see Hosea 14:2–3, Daniel 4:24, I Kings 😎.

5. Logical Problem:

If Jesus’ death paid for all sin:
• Why is repentance still necessary in Christianity?
• Why do Christians still suffer?
• Why did evil continue?

It collapses under theological and scriptural scrutiny.

Conclusion (Torah View):

according to the eternal standard of Torah, Jesus’ death is not a valid atonement. It goes against:
• God’s laws,
• The nature of sacrifice,
• The requirement for personal repentance,
• And the Jewish understanding of the Messiah.

Steep:
Jesus is just a alternative pronunciation of yeshua and it is a non issue. In my language it is produced Jesu.

AntiChristian:
The reason Jesus came to the world is the same reason other Prophets like Noah, Moses, Abraham, etc came into the world! To guide to the true worship of the one and only God without partners![/b]
➜Jesus wasn't sent to everyone! He didn't preach to everyone he met! Some he just healed.
➜ He told the Canaanite woman he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel!
➜ So Jesus's world is only Israel not Nigeria or Africa!

tosyne2much:
➜From the dept of my heart, I'm just tired of hearing this same thing for nearly 3 decade of my life. Jesus this, Jesus that yet the country continues to wallot in poverty

Steep:
The problem of poverty is caused by poor choices by Nigerians. We promote self centeredness and make materialism as the goal and all these is tied to the problem of Sin.

OT2024:
Jesus is the way. Other ways are not genuine.

horlatunji00:
➜Who's Jesus? Is he a prophet or the creator? If he is the Creator, how can what he created nailed him ? Does the creator need to be take care of? Remember, Mary took care of him when Jesus was a child
➜ What's his real name ?

shinealight:
➜What He taught us constitutes the Way, the Truth and will gain you Evalasting Life …. ONLY if you follow and live according to His teachings and admonitions. We should get it right and STOP mouthing nonsense that He came to take away the Sins of the World as if your slate has been wiped clean. Everybody who has sinned will someday pay for his/her sins…don’t keep fooling yourselves and living in denial.
You must wash your robes clean by yourself through changing your ways and living according to His words. C’est fini!

Ubdavis:
Cooked up stories. Jesus is a fictional character

Kobojunkie:
Not entirely true!
➜ Noah was sent only to the people of his time to warn inform— his message didn't seem like a warning at all — them of the impending doom. After the eventual destruction that came upon them, there is no record of Noah ever broadcasting any Truths to any other people after him.

➜ Abraham's particular cause was to his very descendants, particularly ensuring the continuation of the bloodline that was his. There is no report of Abraham taking the Truth of God to the Egyptians or any of the other kings he entangled with.

➜ Moses, we all know, did not bother teaching the Truth to the Egyptians who adopted him as a baby. There is no evidence that he, Moses, taught the Truth of the God of His ancestors to his in-laws, with whom he eventually parted ways. Rather, his only mission was to the chosen bloodline from Abraham, the Israelites, his kin.

2. Now this is as it is written in that book!

3. Technically, Jesus Christ of Israel did not tell the Canaanite woman that. He responded to the question asked by his disciples in her hearing.

4. Indeed!

Kobojunkie:
His teachings were meant only for His fellow Israelites — the bloodline of Jacob

AntiChristian:
The reason Jesus came to the world is the same reason other Prophets like Noah, Moses, Abraham, etc came into the world!

To guide to the true worship of the one and only God without partners!

Modified!
Jesus wasn't sent to everyone! He didn't preach to everyone he met! Some he just healed. He told the Canaanite woman he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel! So Jesus's world is only Israel not Nigeria or Africa!

tctrills:
We understand that you are speaking from a Muslim point of view. But it's better to read the words of Christ himself to understand his purpose.
To understand Christ, I will listen to his words, not what Muhammad said about him.

AntiChristian:
Tell us what Christ told the canaanite woman!
Tell us what Christ told his disciples about the canaanite woman!
What did the disciples told Christ to do the canaanite woman?

All these are clear Jesus was not sent to any one but Israel!

The dog idiom is even worse!

femi4:
You missed the point when you address Jesus as "human"

Revelation 12:11

And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death.

Ephesians 1:7 ESV

In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,

alobright17:
so yeshua no be human being invented the language? This is one defending what he don’t know

22jumpstreet:
He is a myth and you are wasting your whole life on it. The colonial masters that brought the religion to it has abandoned it. Almost all the churches in north London are now pubs or sold to Muslims....ño money to take care of it vos no attendance...
Jesus is the Roman empire invention, to control the masses...

AntiChristian:
✓ That's your own book! Noah after the flood became a nuisance who started drinking and became without cloth that he cursed an innocent son. That's not the Noah in Islam. He was sent to call his people back to the worship of God alone! And he did that for 950 years!
That's your Bible! Abraham preached against idolatry to his people and he taught them a lesson. They tried killing him by throwing him into the fire but the fire didn't harm him at all.
He also did call his father out of idolatry all to no avail.
Moses was sent to Pharaoh to call him and his people to worship Him alone. He was also sent to his own people.
✓ He did tell imply that in his dog idiom! You can check that Idiom where Jesus compared Israel to masters and gentiles to dogs!
It is clear!

shinealight:
✓ Your statement is far from the truth!
Everything to do with God is all-embracing, all-encompassing and can NEVER be restricted to any individual’s bloodline.
Your thinking is restricted because you think in human terms and probably do things to benefit ONLY your family and relations without considering how it affects other human beings on earth or even in your vicinity and country!
The teachings of Christ are meant for the entire humanity on Earth as those teachings relate to the Laws of God which have been instituted from the beginning of time and which every human has to live under if they wish to survive and flourish on Earth.
What are those Laws? What you sow, you reap; Balance in Giving & Receiving, Do unto others as you wish them do unto You, etc…..they are also summarised in the Ten Commandments once given through Moses…. which also apply to the entire humankind.
The Sun shines everyday and provides you with what you need to survive, the trees bear fruit and the soil produces food when you till and water the ground….what do ALL THOSE THINGS have to do with bloodline of Jacob?
Wake up, my friend. Give Gratitude & Glory to the Almighty Creator for sending His Son as Redeemer to humankind!

Kobojunkie:
1. My mistake! Somehow I can't seem to consider accounts that came approximately 1500 years after the facts seriously is why I don't quote your Quran's version of events when it comes to Israelite-related history.

2. Jesus Christ of Israel referred to Israelites as sheep while the Canaanite woman regarded Non-Israelites as dogs in that context. While we are on facts, lets get it down right.

22jumpstreet:
Where did you get the idea that God needs blood before he can forgive......and the blood of a human for that matter?

tctrills:
I feel you do not understand his words and parables.
But to make it easy for you, let me show you more of his words so you can put the two together and understand.
John 17. 20- 23 (He came for everyone who believes in the words of his apostles)
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

John 3.16 (Jesus Christ was sent for the world, not just the Jews)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Matthew 28:19 -20 (He commanded his gospel be taught to all)
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”

After His resurrection, Jesus sends His disciples to all nations, not just to Israel. This universal call affirms that salvation through Christ is for the entire world.

John 4:21–23 (To the Samaritan Woman)
“The hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. ... But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth.”

Speaking to a Samaritan woman (a non-Jew), Jesus says worship will no longer be tied to Jewish tradition or location. He opens the door to spiritual worship for all, regardless of ethnicity.

Mark 11:17 (Christ invites all nations to his temple)
“Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Revelation 7:9–10
“After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.
And they cried out in a loud voice: ‘Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.’

Revelation 14:6
“Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth — to every nation, tribe, language and people.

I can give you more, but these are enough.

AntiChristian:
1. Even moreso when it is clear that your manuscripts are error filled and largely untrue?
Abeg stop typing lies!
It was Jesus that clear used the dog word first for gentiles!
Matthew 15:21-28
21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”

23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.

AntiChristian:
Discuss these verses!

Who are the masters?
Who are the dogs?
Why Israel?

Matthew 15:21-28
21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”

23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

AntiChristian:
Can God forgive without Blood?

Jesus had to die according to your Bible and its interpreters! Your God needs blood to remit sins!

Steep:
See ignorance, the oldest church on earth is in Africa. Christianity came to Europe just as it came to Africa, colonial masters has nothing to do with it. So Alenxender, Augustus ceaser, Socrates, etc are myth? Delulu