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22jumpstreet:
What are you on about?
I am asking a question, you are using oil to rub my face?

That is not my belief, I am asking him to tell me where he got the idea from? And for your information, Judaism is different from Christianity.....

tctrills:
It's so simple for you to understand if you put everything Jesus Christ told you together and not just elevate one verse. The ministry of Jesus Christ began with the Jews hence the Jews were the masters, it then spread to the gentiles.
At first he asked his disciples to preach only to the Jews but later instructed that they preach to all nations. Does this explain it now?

Kobojunkie:
From the mouth of YHWH and Jesus Christ of Israel, it is revealed that their teachings belonged only to the bloodline of Jacob -- the Israelites. I don't care for your religious spin since the God of Israel and Jesus Christ of Israel never established nor gave religion to men.

I also do not care about whatever conclusions you have been misled to arrive at.
Your belief will lead you to wherever it must inevitably lead you….either Heaven or Hell.
That would have been the choice you made with wide open eyes and a supposedly functional brain between your ears!

AntiChristian:
God didn't ordain any religion called Judaism or religion!
In fact, no Prophet brought Judaism or Christianity as a religion!
They were all coined by people!

So saying Judaism is different from Christianity makes me think the God of the Old Testament is different from that of the New Testament!

22jumpstreet:
So Jesus is not human? Ok that's new to me. He is now a lamb....the offspring of a sheep. Ok..no wahala, even if he is a lamb and not a human being, the sacrifice still has to be performed by a levitical priest, not Roman soldiers. There are so many problems with this Jesus sacrifice....so many that goes against the laws and commandments of the creator.....
I am so glad I left it more than 20 years ago ...

Steep:
even historians who anti Christianity cannot deny the historicity of Christ. The writers of the gospels are not unknown they are Mathew mark Luke and John.
So Jesus is not a myth after all, right? You guys are in deep trouble.

Kobojunkie:
You mean like Socrates, Alexander the Great, and many others are also fictional characters? Come on, people! The evidence that the man existed is irrefutable.

Ubdavis:
✓ General knowledge is not necessary the true knowledge

shinealight:
✓ I also do not care about whatever conclusions you have been misled to arrive at.
Your belief will lead you to wherever it must inevitably lead you….either Heaven or Hell.
That would have been the choice you made with wide open eyes and a supposedly functional brain between your ears!

AntiChristian:
Where did you even see Jesus preaching to the Canaanite woman? You are just answering a different question here!

The woman asked Jesus for healing o!

The disciples talk say make he chase her away!

In the end he called her dog and Israel master!

Open your eyes!

Discuss these verses!

Who are the masters?
Who are the dogs?
Why Israel?

Matthew 15:21-28
21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”

23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

AntiChristian:
✓ Where did you even see Jesus preaching to the Canaanite woman? You are just answering a different question here!
The woman asked Jesus for healing o!
The disciples talk say make he chase her away!

Arda1000:
are you still living in 18th century?
We have gotten rid of the catholic calendar bro it’s now BCE not BC

Kobojunkie:
I am wide awake at this point in my day.🤔

Anyways, the woman initially asked for mercy that was the son of David...and it was this that caused Jesus Christ of Israel to initially ignore her given that YHWH's mercy via the son of David belonged only to the Lost Sheep of Israel. It was after this was revealed that the woman then revealed that what she sought was instead the crumbs that fell from the master's table as his children ate of His mercy for them.

tctrills:
Again, I am trying to understand your point here. Yes, the Jews were the masters and the Gentiles the dogs in that analogy, but then, I presented you with other verses where Christ commanded that his gospel be preached to the Gentiles (The Dog). I also showed you verses where Christ came for the world, not for the Jews (remember John 3.16).

So yes, Jesus Christ called the gentile woman a dog, yet he still extended his gospel to the gentiles. Does this answer your question now?

AntiChristian:
Then those are either contradictions or one is wrong while the other is right!

1. Jesus said he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.

2. That Christ said the Gospel be preached to the Gentiles does not mean he was sent to them!

3. Jesus's world is only Israel.

Matthew 10:5-6
These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go onto the road of the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.

2. Matthew 15:24......Jesus answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

AntiChristian:
@✓ You skipped the word "dog" in all your write-up!

Kobojunkie:
I don't follow?

By this point, you still haven't explained your particular problem with being compared with a dog. Is it better to be considered sheep than a dog?

AntiChristian:
➜Being called Dog or sheep is not the issue!
➜ How about Masters to dogs as a connotation for Israel to Gentiles?
➜ This is a big wild discrimination!

Lucifyre:
No one is arguing Jesus didn't exist, it's basically a fact and consensus about 80yrs old, what is also a fact is my previous statement, there's zero evidence for any of the supernatural claims about him and like other historical figures - see Alexander who was claimed to be the son of Zeus - all of the supernatural claims are basically mythlogical which is a fact. If they're not provide evidence they happened which obviously you can't.

As for your gospel claim that the writers are known, if they're known it wouldn't be difficult to identify the names of the authors within the texts as Matthew, Mark, Luke and John right. So pls show us where within the texts the authors Matthew, Mark, Luke & John, identify themselves or any evidence they wrote it. Again, obviously you can't. End of story.

And to properly kill off that baseless assertion of known writers, how did poor stark illiterate peasants who spoke Aramaic in a time period where the literacy rate was less than 2% somehow manage to write in sophisticated greek and chose not to write in Aramaic or say Hebrew, more than 50 years after. Empty claims lol!

22jumpstreet:
I am denying the historicity of Jesus.....hẹ never existed. There is nọ mention of hin till the 2nd century CE. Hẹ wae written into existence, by the greeks........
When the jews later later saw the gospel, they laughed their heada off.....

22jumpstreet:
➜I am denying the historicity of Jesus.....hẹ never existed. There is nọ mention of hin till the 2nd century CE.
➜ Hẹ wae written into existence, by the greeks........
➜ When the jews later later saw the gospel, they laughed their heada off.....

Kobojunkie:
Stop lying! All of the Gospels, including the supposed writings of Paul, were written in the 1st Century CE.

2. Stop lying!

3. When exactly did the Jews get around to seeing the Gospels and laughing their heads off? Please be specific! Was this before or after the Romans eliminated about 1/3rd of the Jewish population, and exiled another third before taking over Jerusalem and remaining the entire country to Syria and Palestine in 134 AD?

Lucifyre:
Deny all you want, don't think anyone cares, it literally wouldn't change the fact and luckily facts & truths don't care about belief or denial.

22jumpstreet:
I don't deal with believes or emotion.
The Jesus portrayed in the gospel never never existed. For once, the Jews don't have the idea of god mating with women. It is a Greek/Roman theology. The Jewish Messiah is a man from the line of David, through Solomon. The two contradictory genealogies in Mathew and Luke can never produce a Messiah. The real Messiah is not coming to die for sins, God already gave them a solution to the problem of sin. He is coming to bring peace....

22jumpstreet:
➜None of the gospel was written in the first century. None
If they were, they would not have gotten the geography wrong.
And I still maintain that they were not written by Jews. Any Jews, should have known that the sanhendrin don't meet during the holy days and at night. Just like we know our supreme court don't meet during national holy days and again, they have the power and right to condemn a man to death....there was no need for the pilate to and fro......some many incontinence, for it to originate from the Jews. And moreover, they already have their Torah, why risk the wrath of God to create, another religion. Their Torah was for ever. God told them to pass it on to their children. To many reasons.....
The isrealites saw the mistranslation of Isaiah 7:14, as a prophecy for Jesus, they laughed hard. The passage is a reference to Isaiah Young wife and not a prophecy for Jesus. They know the real prophecy was in verse 16. Too many lies and mistranslation..

Kobojunkie:
Yet more brain farts? No point engaging since it seems all too clear you are not interested in dealing with facts but religious gobbledegook.

Lucifyre:
And I couldn't care less for your theological gish gallop, they're all nonsense and baseless mythology as far as I'm concerned, Jewish and Christain alike. Non of that speaks to the FACT he existed, believing or denying it wouldn't change a general and academic consensus older than 80yrs. You might want to get to writing your paper backed by evidence to change it, so we adopt yours as the new consensus and fact. No?! Till then you're just another noisy person on the Internet spouting baseless claims.

22jumpstreet:
Those so called scholars were all paid to keep the lying and deception going. They know the truth. If you decide to block your ears to the truth, it is your problem, not mine. And don't come here claiming he existed with no concrete proof. I will continue to debunk it.

Lucifyre:
"Those so called scholars were all paid to keep the lying" 🤣 Typical conspiracy nutjob, what did they pay them with? Milk and honey?! Who paid em? A talking snake i guess. What a joke. Funniest part is you citing those same scholars when you thought they agreed with your agenda, like how closeminded can one be(I don't forget that hilarious and embarrassing thread). Like I said empty noise backed by empty claims that would never change facts. You should check your dictionary to know the meaning of "debunk". Empty baseless noise is never debunking, anyways goodluck " debunking"😁