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seunmsg:
There was no scorching sun when they left Europe. They wore it from Europe and all through the sea. On getting to Africa, they saw no use for it again and dropped them for Ibo natives who converted them to titled caps.

Succinctly put, Kadoso. Succinctly put. You don't disappoint when it comes to gbasgbos with our friends.

Reno, the problem is that there's no winter in nigeria, so why would Whiteman wear hot capping the heat

seunmsg:
My ancestors have been weaving Aso Oke, dying adire and making damask long before a white man ever visited Africa. Isi-Agu and those red and colored winter caps were all gifted to the Ibos by Europeans and they simply adopted it as their cultural attires in the absence of any one before.

Yorubas (and Nupes) actually learnt both the art of weaving and materials used from the Hausas' turbans and robes (who were into this about 200 years before the Yorubas). The Hausas learnt it from Mali's Bogolanfini and Mande cloth, who learnt it from the North Africans Berber and Tuareg cloth. The actual origin was traced to Egyptian clothings from 1000BC. The Yorubas then passed it on to Ashanti in Ghana (Kente cloth) after about 200 years.

At the end of the day, it's a borrowed culture. This is made possible due to the Trans-Saharan trade route and spread of Islam plied by the craft artisans while migrating.

And, it's Igbos

Procashtips:
So he is saying Igbos do not have native or traditional attire?

Before the White man came, our people were poorly dressed with rafia materials, leaves & some children roamed around naked. Colonization introduced use of better clothing materials which we adorn till date.

Baselm:
False. The Yorubas of Kwara and Kogi DO NOT wear red caps traditionally.

I stated that parts of Yorubaland in Kogi and Kwara wear red chieftaincy cap. The veteran investigative journalist, Babajide Kolade-Otitoju of TVC and the co-anchor of the internationally popular Journalists Hangout comes from a Yoruba community in Kogi State where red chieftaincy caps are worn. He received a chieftaincy title from his traditional ruler and it was shown CLEARLY on TVC a few years back. A few Yoruba communities too wear that red chieftaincy cap. Chief Sunday Awoniyi from Kogi State who was the FIRST EVER Yoruba man to become the Chairman of the Arewa Consultative Forum back in the 2000s also wore that red chieftaincy cap. Chief Awoniyi's son was the architect 'Yomi Awoniyi who once served as a Deputy Governor of Kogi State. So, head on over to read more and get your facts right.

The over 80 million people of Yorubaland stretching from the Yoruba-speaking parts of Nigeria, to Benin Republic and parts of Togo (Atakpame region) do NOT have a monolithic culture BUT there are slight regional differences in dialects, cultural practices and foods eaten just like every other major cultural group on Earth. Parts of Yorubaland ALSO have different Yoruba names for the same thing. An example is the Yoruba beans delicacy called "Moyin-Moyin" (sometimes shortened in recent years to "Moin-Moin" with the letter "Y" being silent) which is ALSO called "Olele" in Yoruba with both words referring to the same thing. The walnut is called "Awusa" or "Asala" in Yoruba language. Aso-Oke itself is ALSO called Aso-Ofi which is worn by the highly placed in the society.

Other parts of Yorubaland may NOT have the traditional of wearing the red chieftaincy cap BUT Yoruba-speaking parts of Kwara and Kogi States do.

I hope that helps.

Now ask yourself which cloth is made in Nigeria!..What is actually made in Nigeria?

rinzaugustine:
According to radio carbon dating by the British professor of archeology Thurstan Shaw in 1958 of ancient relics discovered at the compound of Isaiah Anozie in present day Igboukwu, Anambra state , Igbos had been living in present location and same culture since 7th century AD. At that time there was no British empire but Roman , Vikings and few other empires . British came into existence around 12th century AD so between Igbos and British who copied themselves?

The post you brought up only shows he has nothing against Igbos, since he recognises their business prowess. This is about culture and he even mentioned his own tribe (Itshekiri) alongside Igbos.

Look at Niger Delta people wearing bowler hats, does that even make any sense? You can tell that colonialists and slavers were the ones who gave them those clothes.

Only Benin Kingdom, Yoruba, Hausa/Fulani have original traditional attire without any origin or link to Europeans. The rest ethnic groups were undeveloped and most of their people used to be unclothed. In fact ancient Igbo pictures are mostly naked people who barely had any clothing on them.

Facts don't care about feelings bro.

Kukutente23:
Reno the rabblerouser is right and he is wrong

The igbo cultural attire before colonialism is similar to that of the Benins. It was mostly a single wrapper tied round the waist with the chest left bare. The elders in Igboland usually tie the wrappers across their left shoulders in toga style. Wearing of wrappers made of raffia palm was also part of the cultural dressing then
The Yoruba on the other hand learn the art of weaving and yarning and also dyeing and tieing of clothes and thus had distinct forms of dressing from all other tribes that make up Nigeria today
Even the Hausa dressing of today is influenced from the Islamic mode of dressing that was obtained from the Malian and Shonghai empire
Thus, in terms of acceptable modern dressing, the Yoruba takes the crown among all tribes in Ngera

Who did the Yorubas learn the art of weaving from? Don't tell that they discovered the art of weaving? Or is it so?

dapadawee:
The Igbos were walking naked before the colonies

I made reference to that in my original comment but a moderator on NL actually edited my comment and removed that part. Truth is, Ibos were unclothed till they had contact with Europeans. This is unlike Yorubas, Kanurus, Edos and Hausas who have been building cities and kingdoms long before Europeans started visiting Nigeria.

seunmsg:
My ancestors have been weaving Aso Oke, dying adire and making damask long before a white man ever visited Africa. Isi-Agu and those red and colored winter caps were all gifted to the Ibos by Europeans and they simply adopted it as their cultural attires in the absence of any one before.

Whatever makes yaribas feel alright is welcome. Nobody apart from Reno omokery has time refuting pointless topics with you people.

Igbophobia is an incurable disease. Distracting the hungry populace with irrelevant comparisons. Anything to make Igbo look inferior and not original is welcome. Omomonkey

seunmsg:
I made reference to that in my original comment but a moderator on NL actually edited my comment and removed that part. Truth is, Ibos were unclothed till they had contact with Europeans. This is unlike Yorubas, Kanurus, Edos and Hausas who have been building cities and kingdoms long before Europeans started visiting Nigeria.

Lies and propaganda are one of your tools against Igbos. Continue. We don't care. Let me reserve my comment

Buh tinubu no be drug Barron again? Awọn ti wọn ni laakaye

seunmsg:
I made reference to that in my original comment but a moderator on NL actually edited my comment and removed that part. Truth is, Ibos were unclothed till they had contact with Europeans. This is unlike Yorubas, Kanurus, Edos and Hausas who have been building cities and kingdoms long before Europeans started visiting Nigeria.

Another knock out!!!! Olohun, you're smashing heads today o, bobo mi Kadoso.

Reno Omokri don grab Okoro's blokus with wrapper

Slytiger:
Nlfpmod

https://guardian.ng/news/fact-check-records-back-omokris-claim-linking-okpu-agu-to-colonialists/

How do you give a 90% verdict on something you think it is a possibility what kind of junk journalism is this?

kinguwem:
Before the White man came, our people were poorly dressed with rafia materials, leaves & some children roamed around naked. Colonization introduced use of better clothing materials which we adorn till date.

You are talking about the igbos right?

They wore leafs?

GerogeI:
I think the first thing is to define culture. Its the way a people live and perform specific functions now. If you have been doing some thing for the past 300 years and continue doing so, that's culture. It does not mean that 300 years ago you did not learn to do such a thing from someone else.

Similarly, tradition is a way of doing things that spans from the past.
Reno Omkri, should educate himself on the difference between origination and tradition. That Yorubas spin clothing, does not mean they did not learn weaving from Fulani Arabs, who even gave them the name "Yoru-ba" or "Yari-ba". Infact we all know the Fulanis would have added Yoruba land to their colonies if the Western civilization did not interfare, cause they already sold Islam to them. Next step was to give them an emir and condemn their own Kings, which they already did in Kwara.

Similarly Igbos learnt weaving from the western colonisers and make akawette cloth. And also adopt various clothing from the white man over, centuries ago, making them part of their culture.

Coming on media to compare colonial adaptations of Yorubas from Fulani colonizers and Igbos from Western colonizers seems kind of demented and aimless attentions seeking.

Your argument has some weight however, I must correct something very important in your argument. Ndigbo DID NOT learn weaving from Westerners. A thorough research about the first European weaving style to Nigeria should have taught you so. Igbos have been weaving clothes for a lot of centuries that I can't even put a date to its origin. Akwaete weaving may be the most popular today but our people in both Enugu and Anioma have been weaving 'akwa ocha' for a many centuries. There are books written over 100years ago that documented all these things.
I can provide proofs to all my claims.
The problem of Reno Omokri and his band of lukumi minions is that they think that before they can promote anything Yoruba, they have to de-market Ndigbo in everything. They don't care about facts and how easily things like this can be verified. They just run along with a perceived notion and present it as reality in demarketing Ndigbo. However, when we debunk their obvious lies with facts, their hate, envy and anger return in full force.
You can google about cloth weaving in Igboland before European colonization. Let chatgpt help you so you learn something new today.

Mabuggi88:
He may right but And so?
Does it mean they shouldn't wear it because it has colonial origin? That's if both assertions are even correct. I know they are not correct. That there's no records about it doesn't mean it must be from colonial origin.
Anything to denigrate the south east . Anyway this time it includes some Niger delta states.

Saw this thread late but none of those claims would stand historical scrutiny. Also, this is the kind of small talks and ethnic nonsense that I am not interested in. And to think the person saying this is a Christian worshipping a white God!!

It's already a known fact that India had a better textile industry than Britain before Britain got there, in fact, the British had to destroy the Indian textile industry out of envy during their colonialism

Attached a simple Google search "Did India have a textile industry before Britain"

Slytiger:
Nlfpmod

https://guardian.ng/news/fact-check-records-back-omokris-claim-linking-okpu-agu-to-colonialists/

Before nko....so you thought that idîot cap had anything to do with Igbo people and their history?

cyberbro:
The post you brought up only shows he has nothing against Igbos, since he recognises their business prowess. This is about culture and he even mentioned his own tribe (Itshekiri) alongside Igbos.

Look at Niger Delta people wearing bowler hats, does that even make any sense? You can tell that colonialists and slavers were the ones who gave them those clothes.

Only Benin Kingdom, Yoruba, Hausa/Fulani have original traditional attire without any origin or link to Europeans. The rest ethnic groups were undeveloped and most of their people used to be unclothed. In fact ancient Igbo pictures are mostly naked people who barely had any clothing on them.

Facts don't care about feelings bro.

Facts without evidence? No evidence of Yoruba civilization anywhere in the world except the fictional story that oduduwa climbed down from heaven which no historian takes seriously but go to British museum and see Igbo artifacts dating back to more than a thousand years fetching them millions of pounds in revenue . 👇 Igbo woman in 1913 👇 one of the numerous Igbo artefacts in British museum today

rinzaugustine:
Facts without evidence? No evidence of Yoruba civilization anywhere in the world except the fictional story that oduduwa climbed down from heaven which no historian takes seriously but go to British museum and see Igbo artifacts dating back to more than a thousand years fetching them millions of pounds in revenue . 👇 Igbo woman in 1913 👇 one of the numerous Igbo artefacts in British museum today

Oga, this is not a Yoruba vs Igbo issue, I even mentioned Benin Kingdom, Fulani etc, these are well known developed tribes and they had traditional attires without western influence.

If you cannot understand the above, that's on you bro. Nobody is competing with you ✌🏽

shortgun:
It doesn't make any sense.
How will Europeans wear winter caps in hot Africa, under the scorching African sun.
Reno O monkey the dumbo just want to be a nuisance.

But they could wear suit abi
They could wear tie and wear ward coat on top of it abi..... They did all this under the same hot Nigeria sun!!!

Tjra:
How will Africans wear chair covers (aka Apoche) under hot sun?

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Sharpsharp00123:
Reno u no go kill person


Though what u said is right but no b Everything person dey talk

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Slytiger:
Nlfpmod

https://guardian.ng/news/fact-check-records-back-omokris-claim-linking-okpu-agu-to-colonialists/

This is not true. I don’t understand this propaganda

shortgun:
It doesn't make any sense.
How will Europeans wear winter caps in hot Africa, under the scorching African sun.
Reno O monkey the dumbo just want to be a nuisance.

Have you seen Houses built by European in Nigeria with a chimney?

Where is the Ice that made the house required a chimney ?