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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by AmazonTopaz(f): 11:24am On Jun 30, 2025
When you ask these socialists that once the money have been collected from the billionaires and distributed to everybody how do we recreate the billions again and evenly distribute it again for everyone when we don't give in equal input but expect equal output. grin

Anyway, I prefer a mixed economy. In a Fascist Country the government is powerful, in a socialist country the government is powerful and unchecked power in government is very dangerous that's why the USSR and Venezuela's are nightmares even China, for the Uighurs and other minorities. So no.

The government and individuals must hold power, government should regulate unchecked capitalism, labour laws, rights and protections to stop exploitation and provide essential services that's what government should do and leave the rest for Capitalists that's how a society becomes successful and productive.

Also, billionaires, millionaires etc shouldn't be influencing government policy that's why Citizens United will be a part of the downfall of the United States. cheesy
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Obrigardo: 12:25pm On Jun 30, 2025
Even at that Amazon, being woke is actually what living is all about. Helping your neighbors and loving yourself is definition of life, what else if not?
You and I know the magats don't think this way, they don't even give any solution based on care for another man, they just hate hate hate and more hate.

We should always be on the other side which will certainly overcome their hate.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 1:25pm On Jun 30, 2025
AmazonTopaz:
The UK is not a socialist country but a mixed economy. The UK is not even a successful country.
I think if my country Nigeria was doing as well as UK and China are doing, I'd say my country Nigeria is successful, but since we seem not to agree on what a successful country is, there's no point discussing it.

No country is fully socialist, as they all will allow some sort of private enterprise, a la capitalism. And no country is completely devoid of socialism, as Nigeria's free education and fuel subsidy are all socialism.

Do let me know when you arrive here so I can ask you again after you have experienced the civil liberties you claim we lack.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 1:38pm On Jun 30, 2025
basilico:
Dinosaur aka ...
I feel you. You'd hate school meals for the underprivileged too, and wouldn't mind them starving. Hopefully, New Yorkers won't unreason like you do.

Do let Amazontopaz know that UK that is not socialist has most of the same policies as Mamdani is proposing, and the lights stay on. While USA that is not socialist is curtailing civil liberties, though not where guns are concerned.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 2:10pm On Jun 30, 2025
budaatum:
I feel you. You'd hate school meals for the underprivileged too, and wouldn't mind them starving. Hopefully, New Yorkers won't unreason like you do.

Do let Amazontopaz know that UK that is not socialist has most of the same policies as Mamdani is proposing, and the lights stay on. While USA that is not socialist is curtailing civil liberties, though not where guns are concerned.
Businesses and rich people will leave the state.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 2:24pm On Jun 30, 2025
Michelle Obama said that the ability to create life is the least significant function of a woman's reproductive system.

She explains that men cannot fully grasp the challenges women face because female biology has been barely studied.

"The least of what it does is produce life"

These people just play victim and brainwash our girls
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 2:41pm On Jun 30, 2025
bemeruca:
Michelle Obama said that the ability to create life is the least significant function of a woman's reproductive system.

She explains that men cannot fully grasp the challenges women face because female biology has been barely studied.

"The least of what it does is produce life"

These people just play victim and brainwash our girls
Have the left agreed on what a woman is to start with?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 2:47pm On Jun 30, 2025
raumdeuter:
Have the left agreed on what a woman is to start with?
They know what a woman is whenever it is convenient for their argument or whenever they want to push a dogma
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Stolen: 3:03pm On Jun 30, 2025
THIS VERY CUTE MOMENT DESERVE TO BE HERE



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgxIqMPoOZ4
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Stolen: 3:04pm On Jun 30, 2025
NICE TO KNOW WE HAVE BLACK WOMEN WHO LOVE TRUMP. cool
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 3:17pm On Jun 30, 2025
bemeruca:
Businesses and rich people will leave the state.
I agree. Especially if he is socialist and governmentises private ventures. But what powers exactly is he going to use to do that?

What Mamdani is proposing is no different to school meals for the underprivileged. He can not uncapitalise capitalist New York even if he wanted to, since he'd need capital to provide school meals.

But I might be wrong. Do let me know when he abolishes mortgages and provides free housing, then I'll agree he's as socialist as is claimed.

Incidentally, no one will accuse Nigeria of being socialist. Many would even claim government does not own the majority of businesses. But free education, and subsidized fuel and electricity, and labor subsidy (Youth Corps) are socialist policies, and government officials own the largest companies. Like most so called socialist nations, we are a mix.

You just can't leave the poor and unprivileged to their own survival or their dead bodies will stink up your capitalism and make it unprofitable. And you can't have no social government intervention, or no one will monitor what's in the food capitalists sell you. A mix of both socialist and capitalist policies are necessary for a countries progress, or you'd have slaves.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 3:18pm On Jun 30, 2025
AmazonTopaz:
Joe Biden was unarguably the most progressive president America has had in decades and what did Leftists do, enabled Republicans into power because of Gaza and they immediately forgot Biden's campaign deliveries to them.
AmazonTopaz:
When you ask these socialists that once the money have been collected from the billionaires and distributed to everybody how do we recreate the billions again and evenly distribute it again for everyone when we don't give in equal input but expect equal output. grin

Also, billionaires, millionaires etc shouldn't be influencing government policy that's why Citizens United will be a part of the downfall of the United States. cheesy
Yea but America will never be a fully socialist country. I’ve not even seen any full socialist politician to date. Not even Mamdani. We want a mixed society as well but the people this guy is challenging want unregulated capitalism.

Fully agree that billionaires shouldn’t influence govt. that’s what we all want except the right. If less billionaires meddled in the govt, we would honestly have less billionaires overall. Many of them are billionaires today because they’ve been allowed to meddle in govt. less meddling, less billionaires overall.

I really do agree with far leftists being a problem in the movement and my problem with them is their penchant to pick apart and expect perfection from their candidates while the right whole heartedly endorses criminals and rapists with vigor.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 3:24pm On Jun 30, 2025
AmazonTopaz:
Joe Biden was unarguably the most progressive president America has had in decades and what did Leftists do, enabled Republicans into power because of Gaza and they immediately forgot Biden's campaign deliveries to them.
Mandani or whatever his name is was uncommitted, he is part of the reason why the Orange Buffon is in power. He is a covert antisemite, many leftists and the idea that nobody should be a billionaire is from socialism/communism playbook. Free buses without a formidable plan on how to pay for it is socialism playbook. Beautiful on paper and ugly in practice, cheap promises with no realistic gains.

I agree with you, unregulated capitalism is a cancer and that's why I prefer a mixed economy but unregulated capitalism is just as horrible as Socialism and its other brother. Ask USSR how that worked out for them.
1.) Biden was not a progressive President.
2.) Mamdani is not an anti-semite. Being for Palestinian rights, against giving tax deductions to send money to settlers to buy weapons and against genocide doesn't mean you are an anti semite.
3.) I don't think he is against people being wealthy, but people should pay for the services they derive, in fact I think it's patriotic to. In the 1940's the top tax rate was in the 90%. That wasn't socialism then.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f):
Amazontopaz.

To an extent I also believe billionaires should not exist simply because of how American billionaires come to be. BUT it’s still nuanced for me. I’m not a blanket no-one-should-ever-have-a-billion-dollars-ever type of person. Is someone who’s a billionaire worth 10 billion dollars the same as someone who’s a billionaire worth 400 billion? Obviously not.

HOWEVER, if the said billionaire is paying their fair share of taxes, their workers are well compensated for the value of profits they bring to the company and MOST IMPORTANTLY they are not being propped up by tax payer money , then it’s their money and they have a right to it.

The Walmart family of billionaires for example makes sure they keep most of their workers under full time hours so they’d not have to provide healthcare for them by law. They also don’t provide paid maternity leave or a livable wage etc. they are notorious for being the largest company in the USA whose workers have to depend on govt aid and food stamps to feed.

How are you raking in billions in profits every year but your staff have to be fed by the govt or they won’t survive. The same govt that you support when they want to take away the subsidized healthcare, housing and food allowance on which your under paid staff depends? Is there any plan in there somewhere for those workers to actually survive or thrive?

I swear if they explain America to an outsider and they fully understand it, then the explanation was probably inadequate because how does one make sense of the above? You don’t want to pay livable wages and you vote to take away the aid your underpaid workers depend? Make it make sense naw.

I have had a problem with American style “billionairism” where the middle class is paying for the billionaires to retain their wealth and we lose more ground each year. Just as we are speaking, another tax bill that will enrich American billionaires while taking healthcare away from tens of millions of Americans has passed preliminary consideration by the House.

We just watched Elon crash out because his projects that have always been funded by the federal govt wasn’t part of the deal this time around. That’s someone worth around $400 billion dollars and he’s mad the person earning 50k (whose taxes are about to go up BTW) is not paying towards his fun project. Never mind that he’s benefiting overall anyhow.

When Americans speak of billionaires negatively it’s for a very good reason.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 3:30pm On Jun 30, 2025
budaatum:
I agree. Especially if he is socialist and governmentises private ventures. But what powers exactly is he going to use to do that?

What Mamdani is proposing is no different to school meals for the underprivileged. He can not uncapitalise capitalist New York even if he wanted to, since he'd need capital to provide school meals.

But I might be wrong. Do let me know when he abolishes mortgages and provides free housing, then I'll agree he's as socialist as is claimed.

Incidentally, no one will accuse Nigeria of being socialist. Many would even claim government does not own the majority of businesses. But free education, and subsidized fuel and electricity, and labor subsidy (Youth Corps) are socialist policies, and government officials own the largest companies. Like most so called socialist nations, we are a mix.

You just can't leave the poor and unprivileged to their own survival or their dead bodies will stink up your capitalism and make it unprofitable. And you can't have no social government intervention, or no one will monitor what's in the food capitalists sell you. A mix of both socialist and capitalist policies are necessary for a countries progress, or you'd have slaves.
Cococandy is a socialist but she does not have the power to enforce a socialist utopia does not mean she is not a socialist.

There is a state Governor, city council and state laws, then there is a mayor. He does not have the unilateral power to do most of what he is saying.

He wants to abolish the police and replace them with social workers etc.

Nigeria is not a socialist country. Have one or two subsidies here and there does not make a country a socialist country.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by uglymods: 3:39pm On Jun 30, 2025
Cococandy:
Amazontopaz.

To an extent I also believe billionaires should not exist simply because of how American billionaires come to me. BUT it’s still nuanced for me. I’m not a blanket no-one-should-ever-have-a-billion-dollars-ever type of person. Is someone who’s a billionaire worth 10 billion dollars the same as someone who’s a billionaire worth 400 billion? Obviously not.

HOWEVER, if the said billionaire is paying their fair share of taxes, their workers are well compensated for the value of profits they bring to the company and MOST IMPORTANTLY they are not being propped up by tax payer money , then it’s their money and they have a right to it.
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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by feedthenation(m): 3:43pm On Jun 30, 2025
basilico:
Take Sebatir Tillis this year alone
_His vote blocked Ed Martin from being appointed DC US Attorney.
_ Votes no against the Big Beautiful
_ Voted against a bill that would cut USAID funding
_Social Security Fairness Act: Tillis voted against this act, which aimed to provide Social Security benefits to over 3 million retirees, including teachers and first responders

Clearly RINO.
---Senator Thom Tillis, one of the very few Republicans who dared to show integrity and stand up to Trump---announced he won’t seek reelection---

---How did Felon 47 react? He celebrated. He called it “Great News!”---This is today’s Republican Party: loyalty to one man outweighs loyalty to country, truth, or principle---When a senator votes against reckless spending and Medicaid cuts, when he dares to put his constituents before a cult of personality, he’s pushed out and mocked---

---Tillis’s retirement isn’t just the end of a Senate career---It’s a warning sign of what happens when a party purges every last ounce of courage from its ranks---what will be the state of GOP after Felon 47 is long gone?---
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Ibime(m): 3:46pm On Jun 30, 2025
Mamdani lost me at $30 minimum wage

That some people would cap for that policy just shows how out of touch they are with market economics

In every Society, once you can't afford a big city, you cøcknyash or you move out.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Stolen: 3:52pm On Jun 30, 2025
NOTICE THE MARKED DIFFERENCE IN TRUMP APPROACH TO POLITICS FROM THE CAREER POLITICIANS.


TRUMP IS NOW ENTERING THE 2ND HALF OF HIS FIRST YEAR IN OFFICE AND YET AGAIN HSI FOCUS IS PEACE.


WHY?


SO PEOPLE CAN INVEST AND BUILD.


RATHER THAN ENDLESS WAR IN GAZA WHY NOT BUILD A RESORT AND FUTURISTIC TOURISM DESTINATION LIKE DUBAI.


RATHER THAN THE ENDLESS BLOODSHED IN CONGO WHY NOT PEACE AND A JOINT VENTURE WITH AMERICA.


THE REASON WE SUPPORT TRUMP IS SIMPLY HUMANIST.



U ARE EITHER A FULL FLEDGED MEMBER OF HUMANITY OR NOT
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Ibime(m): 3:52pm On Jun 30, 2025
budaatum:
I feel you. You'd hate school meals for the underprivileged too, and wouldn't mind them starving. Hopefully, New Yorkers won't unreason like you do.

Do let Amazontopaz know that UK that is not socialist has most of the same policies as Mamdani is proposing, and the lights stay on. While USA that is not socialist is curtailing civil liberties, though not where guns are concerned.
There is hardly anybody in the UK that cannot afford school meals, only children with household income less than £7.4k get free school meals above Year 2. I know of children in my daughters school whose parents earn £20k to £30k and they pack sandwiches. The rest of us pay the school.

Ibime:
Paying a reasonable level of tax is fine until politicians start becoming frivolous with it. Nobody will complain to pay tax to cover emergency services, free education to secondary school, military, infrastructure, healthcare and shelter for the homeless

It's when they start paying stuffs that should be personal responsibility that I begin to vex

eg free school meals for kids when those kids parents can afford to smoke 20 cigar per day. I still dey vex with Marcus Rashford over that matter.

The one wey off me na when Scotland mandate all public bathroom to have free tampons for women and labelled it "period poverty". So you telling me there is a single woman in Scotland that cannot put aside 50 pence from her monthly budget for that time of the month?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 3:55pm On Jun 30, 2025
bemeruca:
Cococandy is a socialist but she does not have the power to enforce a socialist utopia does not mean she is not a socialist.

There is a state Governor, city council and state laws, then there is a mayor. He does not have the unilateral power to do most of what he is saying.

He wants to abolish the police and replace them with social workers etc.

Nigeria is not a socialist country. Have one or two subsidies here and there does not make a country a socialist country.
I do not ever feel like responding to you when you lie or try to shove right wing rhetoric down my throat.

Did Mamdani tell you he'd send social workers to go socialise murderers and paedophiles and felon dump, even after you full well know he has no such powers as mayor?

Mamdani having a few social policies does not mean he'd socialise New York. Besides, I can't see why he wouldn't be an improvement on Adams or Cuomo, who seem to have socialised into their own pockets, or Silwa who did what that Jussie Smollett once did.

Sliwa admitted that he and the Guardian Angels faked heroic subway rescues for publicity. He also admitted to having claimed falsely that three off-duty transit police officers had kidnapped him. Sliwa explained at the time his stunts were intended to underscore the dangers of the subways.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Sliwa
Your mischaracterization of cococandy is taken the same way as when you mischaracterize buda. Note.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Stolen: 3:58pm On Jun 30, 2025
I'M CONVINCED AFTER TRUMP THE NEXT PRESIDENT SHOULD ALSO BE A BILLIONAIRE ENTREPRENEUR.


SOMEBODY WHO LIKES ALL THINGS BEAUTIFUL.



THESE CAREER POLITICIAN HAVE ALOT OF MENTAL ISSUES, THEY ARE EITHER SO LEFT, THAT THEY NOW HAVE TWO LEFT LEGS OR THEY ARE SO RIGHT THAT THEY THINK THEMSELVES RIGHTEOUS.



LET US GET PEOPLE IN THERE WITH PROVEN RECORD OF SUCCESS IN THEIR PERSONAL AND BSUINESS LIFE.



THAT WAY, U HAVE LESS WARS BECAUSE OF LESS MENTAL ISSUES.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 4:11pm On Jun 30, 2025
Ibime:
There is hardly anybody in the UK that cannot afford school meals, only children with household income less than £7.4k get free school meals above Year 2. I know of children in my daughters school whose parents earn £20k to £30k and they pack sandwiches. The rest of us pay the school.
As I said, the underprivileged. I'm certain Mamdani is not proposing to feed the children of those who can afford to feed their own children. And New York policies will not be for the entire USA, I doubt.

In England, children are entitled to free school meals if their parent or guardian receives certain qualifying benefits or if they are in specific year groups. Specifically, children in Reception, Year 1, and Year 2 in state-funded schools, free schools, and academies are eligible for universal free school meals. Additionally, children whose families receive benefits like Universal Credit (with specific income limits), Income Support, Income-based Jobseeker's Allowance, Income-related Employment and Support Allowance, or the guaranteed element of Pension Credit are also eligible. Some local authorities may extend free school meal eligibility to all primary school years. In London, free school meals are provided to all state-funded primary school children.
My niece came to London from Manchester for Christmas, and was surprised their London nephews just got on the buses without paying. She said she'd do the same when she went back to Manchester, but I had to let her know London has a free transport policy for certain ages which Manchester seems to lack. Her mother told me a bus driver refused to let a primary school girl travel because she had no money. We'd burn the bus company if they do the same in London.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 4:13pm On Jun 30, 2025
budaatum:
I do not ever feel like responding to you when you lie or try to shove right wing rhetoric down my throat.

Did Mamdani tell you he'd send social workers to go socialise murderers and paedophiles and felon dump, even after you full well know he has no such powers as mayor?

Mamdani having a few social policies does not mean he'd socialise New York. Besides, I can't see why he wouldn't be an improvement on Adams or Cuomo, who seem to have socialised into their own pockets, or Silwa who did what that Jussie Smollett once did.



Your mischaracterization of cococandy is taken the same way as when you mischaracterize buda. Note.
Leave cococandy out of this 🤣

In the BLM protests, , Mamdani expressed strong criticism of the NYPD. He said: “We don’t need an investigation to know that the NYPD is racist, anti-queer & a major threat to public safety. What we need is to #DefundTheNYPD.”

In another post he saud: “queer liberation means defund the police,”

He also advocated for reducing the NYPD budget by $1 billion and redirecting funds to address social issues like mental health and homelessness, arguing that police were being tasked with roles they were not equipped to handle.

Of course, person wey dey run for election will try to look moderate. Kamala harris did the same.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Stolen: 4:17pm On Jun 30, 2025
We just watched Elon crash out because his projects that have always been funded by the federal govt wasn’t part of the deal this time around. That’s someone worth around $400 billion dollars and he’s mad the person earning 50k (whose taxes are about to go up BTW) is not paying towards his fun project. Never mind that he’s benefiting overall anyhow.

When Americans speak of billionaires negatively it’s for a very good reason.
FUNDED BY DEMOCRAT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, STARTING FROM OBAMA.


DESPITE ELON BEING TRUMP FRIEND AND SUPPORTER, TRUMP DID NOT COMPROMISE STANDARD FOR HIM.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 4:19pm On Jun 30, 2025
Stolen:
FUNDED BY DEMOCRAT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT., STARTING FROM OBAMA.


DESPITE ELON BEING TRUMP FRIEND AND SUPPORTER, TRUMP DID NOT COMPROMISE STANDARD FOR HIM.
Musk have said several times he does not want the government handouts
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Stolen: 4:20pm On Jun 30, 2025
bemeruca:
Musk have said several times he does not want the government handouts
MUSK IS SO WEALTHY THAT HE DONT NEED IT.


HE IS CAPABLE OF FUNDING THE GOVERNMENT.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 4:25pm On Jun 30, 2025
budaatum:
As I said, the underprivileged. I'm certain Mamdani is not proposing to feed the children of those who can afford to feed their own children. And New York policies will not be for the entire USA, I doubt.



My niece came to London from Manchester for Christmas, and was surprised their London nephews just got on the buses without paying. She said she'd do the same when she went back to Manchester, but I had to let her know London has a free transport policy for certain ages which Manchester seems to lack. Her mother told me a bus driver refused to let a primary school girl travel because she had no money. We'd burn the bus company if they do the same in London.
This is true for every nation in the world. It has nothing to with socialism. Manchester and London just have different age range.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 4:33pm On Jun 30, 2025
bemeruca:
This is true for every nation in the world. It has nothing to with socialism. Manchester and London just have different age range.
Last time I checked, Nigeria does not provide free school meals for anyone, though I'd argue subsidies on electricity and whatever else we subsidize qualifies as a meal, except its for adults.

London and Greater Manchester have similar age ranges, please. Just that our London mayor seems more socialist inclined and London has more money for it too.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 4:38pm On Jun 30, 2025
budaatum:
Last time I checked, Nigeria does not provide free school meals for anyone, though I'd argue subsidies on electricity and whatever else we subsidize qualifies as a meal, except its for adults.

London and Greater Manchester have similar age ranges, please. Just that our London mayor seems more socialist inclined and London has more money for it too.
5 and 11 is not similar. My point is, every nation in the world provide free public transportation.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 4:41pm On Jun 30, 2025
bemeruca:
5 and 11 is not similar. My point is, every nation in the world provide free public transportation.
Nigeria does not provide free transport, and nor does Greater Manchester provide universal free transport for 5-11s.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 4:53pm On Jun 30, 2025
bemeruca:
Leave cococandy out of this...
Shouldn't you have said this to yourself before you brought her into "this" ?
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