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MaxInDHouse:
Just one verse that says:

"Jesus is not an angel"

That's all i need!

FreeIgboho:
Find one verse that says:
"Moses (or anybody) is not an Angel"
That's all I need.

Ridiculous, trying to prove the negative. So if there is no verse that says I'm not God, that means I'm God! Ridiculous and infantile!

Screenshot evidence.
Greek Aggelos: Angel, Envoy, Messenger, someone (human being or spirit being) sent by God.
Moses is a prophet, God's Messenger.
Jesus is a prophet, God's Messenger.

John the Baptist was Aggelos in your Bible.
All of them are angels doing God's assignment.


Una no dey learn but una make noise pass.

FreeIgboho:
Too many to quote them all. Let's just quote only New Testament:

John 1:1,: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

AND
John 14:9 “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

AND
Mathew 16
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

AND
John 20:28
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

AND
John 8
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him... (for obviously claiming to be God)

AND
John 10:33,: "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God,"

AND
Mark 14,: Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 “I am,” said Jesus...
63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?”
(Here again Jesus uses the divine "I am"}

Now, mention anywhere in the Bible where ANYONE implied that Jesus was Angel Michael.

So my good man, if you honestly study the Bible with an open heart, you'd not only know who Jesus is NOT, you'd know who he IS!

FreeIgboho:
This sounds so ignorant! Jesus is the light to God,
He is the light that symbolizes God. Morning star in this case carries a symbolic meaning. It does NOT mean angel. [/b]Read it below again

FreeIgboho:
You ought hate talking too much because you don't be knowing what you yapping. Morning star refers to a specific group of angels who rejoiced at creation.
See below and educate yourself.

FreeIgboho:
Find one verse that says:
"Moses (or anybody) is not an Angel"
That's all I need.
Ridiculous, trying to prove the negative. So if there is no verse that says I'm not God, that means I'm God! Ridiculous and infantile!

Janosky:
You claim that not all angels are morning Stars. Oga, you are implying that some angels did not celebrate or " shout in applause " after creation of Man. Las las your opinion is against Job 38:6-7.

Janosky:
Screenshot evidence.
Greek Aggelos: Angel, Envoy, Messenger, someone (human being or spirit being) sent by God.
Moses is a prophet, God's Messenger.
Jesus is a prophet, God's Messenger.

John the Baptist was Aggelos in your Bible.
All of them are angels doing God's assignment.


Una no dey learn but una make noise pass.

Janosky:

Jesus statement " I Am" is the manner Jesus Christ introduces himself as the Messiah, Mark 14:61-62, John 4:25-26, John 8:19,28,38, 58.
John 8:38, Jesus The Messiah was in the presence of Yahweh, his Father.
Therefore Jesus can NOT be the same Yahweh of Exodus 3:6,14.
John 8:19,28,58, Jesus is the Messiah who existed before Abraham.
Oga humble yourself and understand the screenshot evidence of Aggelos.

Martin Luther wrote 95 thesis to rebuke the leaders of Christendom after he studied the holy scripture
,s and discovered that Jesus Christ is an angel.
Ignorance is more than a disease

Janosky:
A.I. is their New Bible.

Morning Star is a term specific to angels.

NIV, KJV ,NLT and other Trinitarian translations confirmed that but you choose to believe A.I. more than your own Bible.
I laugh in Chinese.

Janosky:
You claim that not all angels are morning Stars.

Oga, you are implying that some angels did not celebrate or " shout in applause " after creation of Man.

Las las your opinion is against Job 38:6-7.

MaxInDHouse:
All these nah grammar you yourself said you don't know how to define your God so whatever anyone says about his or her God shouldn't be a problem for you nah.

From Genesis to Revelations no verse said "Jesus is God" he kept repeating that he is God's Son just as angels are also God's Sons and he came from heaven where angels live with God so logically this Jesus is one of God's spirit Sons (angels) being the first born simply means he is the first creature made by God but since your mind has been channeled to think Jesus is God anything you read that negates such thought you quickly dismiss it then seeking verses and twisting it to fit into your narrative.

Ọmọ i've told you the simple truth.
There is nothing you can say to change the fact that Jesus is the firstborn of God and that makes him a creature like all others he creating things doesn't remove his God and father from the scene it simply means God empowered him to do a lot of things that's all!

FreeIgboho:
(Please DO NOT come close to insulting anyone's beliefs on this thread, be it directly or indirectly, overtly or covertly. Especially do NOT talk bad about Jehovah's Witnesses or Moslems. Mods please help us ban anyone who violates this)


Reasons why Jesus is DEFINITELY God the Son of God:

1) Thousands of years before he was born prophets prophesied that God was coming to visit us. Old Testament (OT) is full of references to his coming.
No other person in the history of mankind has this happened with.

2) Before he came a mighty prophet was sent to prepare his way. John the Baptist (JohnTB) said that was all he came to do. And that he (a mighty prophet) was not fit to untie Jesus' shoe.

3) At his baptism a dove descended on him and a voice from heaven (identified as God the Father), proclaimed, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased," (Matthew 3:17)

4) When he finally came, he himself said he was the long-awaited God and did things God would do - he was after people's souls not money, he forgave sins, accepted worship, raised people from dead, and said he himself was the truth, the life, and the righteousness, and no one came to his Father except through him.

5) He said you'd know he's truly God the Son because his words would never pass away

6) He said he'd raise himself from the dead, and did just that and in such a way that the wrappings used to wrap the body were NOT disturbed

7) Thousands of years after his death he's being worshipped as God and his words have never passed away - exactly as he said!

8} He is worshipped interchangeably with the Father. No other person has been so worshipped
in human history.

9) The Father has been pleased with his worshippers and showered them with blessings. They also worship and call on the Father constantly and he accepts their prayers.

10) He is alive and active in people's lives TODAY!
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Before you dispute any of these remember:

1) You don't have the foggiest idea what God is like, nor can you imagine what he is like.

2) You don't have the foggiest idea what God's attributes are. So forget all the attributes you have in your head - they were assigned by man. You simply don't have the foggiest idea what God's attributes are or are not. So forget all attributes you assign to God!

3) If God is explained to you as straight forward and quite uncomplicated, you can be sure they are giving u man's version of God, NOT God as he is.

4) God exists in a dimension you can neither visualize, explain, nor comprehend.

5) So how do you know God? The ONLY way is the way it happened with Jesus. ANYONE that all those things happened with is God the Son of God. You can't know him any other way. You can't know him by logic, reasoning, or attributes. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY!!

FreeIgboho:
Here's Job 38. You be the judge as you whether ALL angels are morning stars

Job 38:6-7
(New International Version)
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels shouted for joy?

FreeIgboho:
AI goes through millions of documents by Bible scholars. Compare to you who just ridiculously cherrypick the Bible

LordReed:
This sounds so satirical. You must be having a laugh.

FreeIgboho:
It's just astonishing how people can argue ANYTHING!
When Satan told Jesus God would send his angels (servants) to make sure his toe did not strike a rock, do you think he was talking about their fellow servant??!


1.
Or when the angels were rejoicing at his birth, do you think it was their fellow servant whose birth they were rejoicing?
2.Jesus even gave a parable of a rich man who sent servants and they killed them till he finally sent his own son.
JESUS WAS FAMILY!! ALL OTHERS WERE NOT!!!

Something that is so obvious, it beats me how anybody that's not a total dummy can be arguing it!

1.
John 3:16. John 5:37. John 13:16, Jesus said the God Almighty didn't send himself, contrary to your claim.

2.
You said the Rich man (God Almighty) sent his Son.
Nah you dey deceive yourself that the Rich man is his Son.

Person wey say him get brain wey no dey "cherry pick Bible".

MaxInDHouse:
He is the first creature that's why Bible called him the "firstborn of all creation" {Colossians 1:15}

No firstborn that's not part of those being born!

tctrills:
I had already answered you in my last post, please see that you read it, but I felt you needed some more explaining.
Let's begin with the verse you quoted
Hebrew 6:13
For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
Who was the God that visited Abraham?

I presented the answer to you Yesterday. Let's read
Exodus 6:3

3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

This was I Am, Jehovah speaking to Moses. He was the one who appeared to Abraham, but not in his own name. He came in the name of His Father, God Almighty.
So when he made the promise to Abraham, he did so in the name of His Father. In fact, I love how it was translated in the JW bible.
And I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but as respects my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them.
So he clearly states here that when he made the promise, he did so AS God Almighty not in His own name Jehovah.

Now, is it biblical for Jesus Christ to come or act in the name of His Father?
Let's Go to the Bible.
Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! Psalm 118:26
This phrase was directly applied to Jesus during His triumphal entry into Jerusalem, and several other scriptures reinforce this connection.

Matthew 21:9 — Triumphal Entry
“The crowds that went ahead of Him and those that followed shouted, ‘Hosanna to the Son of David!’
‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’
‘Hosanna in the highest heaven!’”

Here, the crowd is quoting Psalm 118:26 as Jesus rides into Jerusalem on a donkey. This moment fulfills Zechariah 9:9 (another messianic prophecy), and the people openly recognize Jesus as the Messianic King — the one “coming in the name of the Lord.”

Luke 13:35 — Jesus' Own Words
“Behold, your house is forsaken. And I tell you, you will not see me until you say,
‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’”

Jesus Himself quotes Psalm 118:26 and ties it to His return, showing that this verse applies specifically to Him, both in His first and second comings.

John 12:13 — Palm Sunday
“So they took branches of palm trees and went out to meet him, crying out,
‘Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel!’”

Again, Psalm 118 is sung in honor of Jesus, and the crowd clearly sees Him as the fulfillment of the psalm’s prophecy.

Psalm 118:22–23 — Messianic Foundation
“The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone. This is the Lord’s doing; it is marvelous in our eyes.”

Just a few verses before 118:26, this passage is also messianic — and Jesus applies it to Himself in:

Matthew 21:42

Mark 12:10

Luke 20:17

This shows that Psalm 118 as a whole is seen as a messianic prophecy, and verse 26 is part of that message.

Summary:

What have you learnt?
When God made a promise to Abraham (Hebrews 6:13), the one who appeared to him was Jehovah (I am), who presented Himself as God Almighty, not using His personal name. This is supported by Exodus 6:3, where Jehovah tells Moses that while He appeared to the patriarchs as "God Almighty," He had not yet revealed His name "Jehovah" to them. The point is that Jehovah acted in the name and authority of His Father.

A connection between this Old Testament revelation and Jesus Christ, showing that Jesus also came and acted in the name of His Father, just like Jehovah did when He visited Abraham. To support this, I cited Psalm 118:26, which says, "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord." This verse is shown to be messianic and is repeatedly applied to Jesus during His triumphal entry into Jerusalem (Matthew 21:9, John 12:13), in His teachings (Luke 13:35), and alongside other messianic verses from Psalm 118, such as verses 22–23 about the "stone the builders rejected." The core message is that Jesus’ identity and mission align with Old Testament appearances of God, and He fulfills prophetic scriptures by coming in the name and authority of the Lord.

Peace

Emusan:
Look at the @color-red, how can He be the FIRST CREATURE and still be BEFORE CREATION?

God who is not a liar and can never lie told us the very first thing He created. Gen 1:1 "In the beginning (the start of creation), God created the heavens and the Earth"

The term FIRSTBORN is about SUPREMACY reason why He was BEFORE CREATION and not PART OF CREATION.

Janosky:
The first born can be fourty years older than his other siblings,he is still the first born older than them.

Jesus Christ is the first born of every creature.

Eve is the last born of every creature, thereafter God rested.

You either get it or forget about it.

Emusan:
You've been trying to look for my attention, I hope by the time I start with you, you won't revert to your usual way.



You're off point. Address my post according to the way I put it down.



It's already established that there's no different between A GOD and GOD.

That's the point for now and stick to that.



Which means Max is wrong for saying there's no different between God and a God, right?

Janosky:
In English, A President or president .
Also God or A God can have same meaning.
But in Greek language, definitely not.

Greek lexicon 2316 Theos is written in 2 different ways in your own Bible.
Examples in your Bible:
Acts 12:22-23. John 10:34-36. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6.
2 Corinthians 4:4

STOP DECEIVING yourself.

Emusan:
Then the first born can't be said to have been BEFORE THE MAN BEGINS to have children.

It's common sense.



The term FIRSTBORN is about SUPREMACY.

Should we ask KJV, NIV?



Provide the scripture to back it up and where the TERM LAST BORN was used for Eve.



We stick with scripture interpretation not your own interpretation.

Janosky:
Oga, which human being that God created after Eve?

Use your brain nau.

Emusan:
You didn't answer this: Which means Max is wrong for saying there's no different between God and a God, right?



We've not gotten to this level.

Don't let your blood boil for now.

Janosky:
As far as English language is concerned,Max is right.

As far as Greek language is concerned, the God is different from a god.

Emusan:
You didn't address my post!

Janosky:
Address my question:
"which human being that God created after Eve?"

Go to your Bible account of creation
Then,You have found your answer.

Did you see the term "Bible" from Genesis to Revelation?
Use your brain nau.

LordReed:
This sounds so satirical. You must be having a laugh.

Janosky:
Morning Stars are angels.. .. Gbagam .
A.I confirmed Job 38:7.
This is the A.I. explanation on Job 38:7 explaining the truth about morning stars I have shown to you, but you don't believe.

One of your Christendom leaders who made the screenshot quote, is he teaching you that "millions of documents by Bible scholars" is more authoritative than your own Bible?

Please Continue to go "through millions of documents by "Bible scholars " & be deceiving yourself.

Janosky:
Tctrills post on 30th June 2025 @ 9:30PM.
Let's begin with the verse you quoted
Hebrew 6:13
For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
Who was the God that visited Abraham?

I presented the answer to you Yesterday. Let's read
Exodus 6:3

3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

This was I Am, Jehovah speaking to Moses. He was the one who appeared to Abraham, but not in his own name. He came in the name of His Father, God Almighty.
So when he made the promise to Abraham, he did so in the name of His Father.

Did the God Almighty "I Am" of Exodus 3:6,14 have a Father?

Oga Tctrills, what is the name of the Father of your own "Jehovah" God you call "I Am"?


Trinity dey rob their brain.