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FreeIgboho:
➜Below are the synonyms your link lead to. I don't see any cease, still, pass away, disappear...

So, I was right that you have never used a dictionary or a thesaurus before now. You could not figure out on your own that the synonyms for to die include to cease, to pass away, to become still, etc.?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/die

FreeIgboho:
➜Can't you see that one implies the other?
➜ The ONLY way you can be 100% certain what will happen is if the characters don't have free will because if they did, a decision by any random one of them can lead to a totally different outcome than the one you had planned

1. This is obviously a bullsheet conclusion on your part! 😩😩

2. This does not make sense. And in case you did not know, when an idea is founded on the illogical(bullsheet), it is, in its entirety, of bullsheet! 😩😩

Kobojunkieee:
So, I was right that you have never used a dictionary or a thesaurus before now. You could not figure out on your own that the synonyms for to die include to cease, to pass away, to become still, etc.?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/die

"LOVE NEVER FAILS" is not same as "LOVE NEVER ENDS"!!! Neither does it mean "Love never dies, ceases, passes away".
"Love never fails" means "Love always succeeds"
Something may succeed yet ends. Just as something may never end yet is not a success.
"Love never fails" means "If you love your child he'll turn out well"
While "Love never ends" means "If you love your child you'd always love your child", has nothing to do with whether he turns out well or not!

You get it now?

Kobojunkieee:
1. This is obviously a bullsheet conclusion on your part! 😩😩

2. This does not make sense. And in case you did not know, when an idea is founded on the illogical(bullsheet), it is, in its entirety, of bullsheet! 😩😩

If someone is setting out from Lagos and can end up in an part of Nigeria, please explain to us how u can know for certain where they’d end up if they had free will

FreeIgboho:
If someone is setting out from Lagos and can end up in an part of Nigeria, please explain to us how u can know for certain where they’d end up if they had free will

You just mentioned it, "any part of Nigeria" 👀 with the 36 states being the outcome🤨!

All that remains is for you to decide where you actually want to go! Do you understand?

FreeIgboho:
➜"LOVE NEVER FAILS" is not same as "LOVE NEVER ENDS"!!! Neither does it mean "Love never dies, ceases, passes away".
"Love never fails" means "Love always succeeds"
Something may succeed yet ends. Just as something may never end yet is not a success.
"Love never fails" means "If you love your child he'll turn out well"
While "Love never ends" means "If you love your child you'd always love your child", has nothing to do with whether he turns out well or not!
You get it now?

I am afraid I don't speak religious gibberish, so don't expect any of this nonsense you typed up to ever make sense to me.

Gabrielshow24:
You just mentioned it, "any part of Nigeria" 👀 with the 36 states being the outcome🤨!

All that remains is for you to decide where you actually want to go! Do you understand?

Ha ha! Very funny. I'm sure you know exactly what I mean. How'd you know where EXACTLY he'd end up. Answer: you'd NEVER know (if he had free will)

FreeIgboho:
➜If someone is setting out from Lagos and can end up in an part of Nigeria, please explain to us how u can know for certain where they’d end up if they had free will

I already more than explained to you how this your freewill nonsense is all religious bullsheet to me. So, why do you keep asking me questions regarding it?

Kobojunkieee:
I am afraid I don't speak religious gibberish, so don't expect any of this nonsense you typed up to ever make sense to me.

Where is religion in it?
I don't know how on earth "fails" and "ends" are synonymous in your head.
How on earth does "The TV series has ended" mean same thing as "The TV series has failed"??!!

FreeIgboho:
➜Where is religion in it?
➜ I don't know how on earth "fails" and "ends" are synonymous in your head.
➜ How on earth does "The TV series has ended" mean same thing as "The TV series has failed"??!!Recall my previous response to you regarding the subject.

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Kobojunkie:
Free will is an idea that was created of religion, with no usefulness to those of us outside of religious circles. ...

2. I can't help you anymore there. Remember that I gave you the dictionary and the thesaurus to help yourself.🥱

3. What I find funny here is the fact that you think I have a hand in your refusal to—maybe for the first time in your life—realize that words can have more than one meaning— you were provided a link to Webster's Dictionary that clearly shows this too. I really can't help you with any of this. 😂😂😂😂

Kobojunkieee:
I already more than explained to you how this your freewill nonsense is all religious bullsheet to me. So, why do you keep asking me questions regarding it?

All due respect, it seems to me you have religion in the brain. What has this to do with religion?? Whether you believe free will is an illusion or not should have nothing to do with religion. It is a PHILOSOPHICAL question (see below) and you have not answered why you believe it is an illusion or not!

FreeIgboho:
➜All due respect, it seems to me you have religion in the brain. What has this to do with religion?? Whether you believe free will is an illusion or not should have nothing to do with religion. It is a PHILOSOPHICAL question (see below) and you have not answered why you believe it is an illusion or not!

Storyland!

Kobojunkie:
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2. I can't help you anymore there. Remember that I gave you the dictionary and the thesaurus to help yourself.🥱

3. What I find funny here is the fact that you think I have a hand in your refusal to—maybe for the first time in your life—realize that words can have more than one meaning— you were provided a link to Webster's Dictionary that clearly shows this too. I really can't help you with any of this. 😂😂😂😂

Even if words have a million meanings, FAILS can never mean ENDS.
"Love NEVER fails" is a very powerful statement
"Love never ends" is nothing, almost meaningless

FreeIgboho:
➜Even if words have a million meanings, FAILS can never mean ENDS.
"Love NEVER fails" is a very powerful statement
"Love never ends" is nothing, almost meaningless

Storyland! 😂😂😂

Kobojunkie:
Storyland!

You obviously don't have an opinion as to whether free will is an illusion or not. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, but just admit it instead of going round in circles!

Kobojunkie:
Storyland! 😂😂😂

Just admit I'm right. This is a faceless forum. No one can do anything to you - especially for saying the obvious truth

FreeIgboho:
Ha ha! Very funny. I'm sure you know exactly what I mean. How'd you know where EXACTLY he'd end up. Answer: you'd NEVER know (if he had free will)

Nope, you will always know whether he has free will or not!

Theoretically, it's within the 36 states it matters less whether free will is involved! You made the constraint within Nigeria. Hence for a surety this person is in Nigeria whether he decides to travel to Kano or Jigawa, it matters less because we are already aware of his destination(s).

The outcomes might be within constraint doesn't mean the person doesn't have an agency of choice! All things in life have outcomes within some boundary but they encapsulate myriad of decisions!

Gabrielshow24:
Nope, you will always know whether he has free will or not!

Theoretically, it's within the 36 states it matters less whether free will is involved! You made the constraint within Nigeria. Hence for a surety this person is in Nigeria whether he decides to travel to Kano or Jigawa, it matters less because we are already aware of his destination(s).

The outcomes might be within constraint doesn't mean the person doesn't have an agency of choice! All things in life have outcomes within some boundary but they encapsulate myriad of decisions!

This is definition of pure nonsense.
Someone is in Lagos trying to decide where to go the next day; whether to go see his son in Ibadan or his mom in Kaduna or his friend in Aba but you already see him with his wife in Ikorodu that next day. And, sure enough, he ends up with his wife in Ikorodu the next day!
That's what we're talking about!

FreeIgboho:
This is definition of pure nonsense.
Someone is in Lagos trying to decide where to go the next day; whether to go see his son in Ibadan or his mom in Kaduna or his friend in Aba but you already see him with his wife in Ikorodu that next day. And, sure enough, he ends up with his wife in Ikorodu the next day!
That's what we're talking about!

It's not, you have listed the outcomes already. Irrespective of his free will those are his destinations🤨. What aspect of this don't you understand?

Let me spell it out for you, his destinations are Ibadan, Kaduna, ABA and ikorodu. You made the constraint by the way 🤦🏾‍♂️ thus limiting his outcomes.

Even chess that has billions of variations has three outcomes: lose, win or draw! 👀
Let me add this example since you are a believer. Every one according to scriptures has two outcomes: heaven or hell. Before this they are accommodated myriads of options and choices! The outcomes are already pre-determined but the choices are yours!

Gabrielshow24:
It's not, you have listed the outcomes already. Irrespective of his free will those are his destinations🤨. What aspect of this don't you understand?

Let me spell it out for you, his destinations are Ibadan, Kaduna, ABA and ikorodu. You made the constraint by the way 🤦🏾‍♂️ thus limiting his outcomes.

Even chess that has billions of variations has three outcomes: lose, win or draw! 👀
Let me add this example since you are a believer. Every one according to scriptures has two outcomes: heaven or hell. Before this they are accommodated myriads of options and choices! The outcomes are already pre-determined but the choices are yours!

Being a believer doesn't mean I abandon commonsense. If outcomes are predetermind there is no free will. Full stop.

Example, does the guy in this 30-second clip have free will? Of course not
https://youtube.com/shorts/PLclzmowpHU?si=ft6EVAxkOGczbsqY

FreeIgboho:
Being a believer doesn't mean I abandon commonsense. If outcomes are predetermind there is no free will. Full stop.

Example, does the guy in this 30-second clip have free will? Of course not
https://youtube.com/shorts/PLclzmowpHU?si=ft6EVAxkOGczbsqY

That's wrong, during an Election process there is a predetermined outcome: "only one winner"! It doesn't matter the number of running candidates only one will be elected which is based on his actions and choices!

You assertion that pre-determined outcomes negates free will is flawed! Shall we now say because you didn't choose your parents that you don't have free will? It's wrong and misleading. As long as you have an agency of choice it's considered free will!

FreeIgboho:
Being a believer doesn't mean I abandon commonsense. If outcomes are predetermind there is no free will. Full stop.

Example, does the guy in this 30-second clip have free will? Of course not
https://youtube.com/shorts/PLclzmowpHU?si=ft6EVAxkOGczbsqY

Even this is fallacious, so because the outcomes: win, lose or draw are pre-determined in chess does it mean I don't have the agency to play the french defense? 🤨 Or perhaps the Sicilian?

The predetermination warrants the outcome while your agency determines your outcome! If you follow Christ you have eternal life, if you don't you will explain tire on judgement day! In between this you have the agency of choice do whatsoever you like!

Gabrielshow24:
Even this is fallacious, so because the outcomes: win, lose or draw are pre-determined in chess does it mean I don't have the agency to play the french defense? 🤨 Or perhaps the Sicilian?

The predetermination warrants the outcome while your agency determines your outcome! If you follow Christ you have eternal life, if you don't you will explain tire on judgement day! In between this you have the agency of choice do whatsoever you like!

Whether free will is an illusion or not is actually a philosophical question not a religious one, see below.
But your argument falls flat. Example, if the keeper of the inn used his free will to find space inside the inn for Joseph and Mary, the manger birth prophesy would not have been fulfilled

FreeIgboho:
Whether free will is an illusion or not is actually a philosophical question not a religious one, see below.
But your argument falls flat. Example, if the keeper of the inn used his free will to find space inside the inn for Joseph and Mary, the manger birth prophesy would not have been fulfilled

My argument doesn't fall flat, you only reiterate my point! There was no room at the inn, it was infact the free will of the inn-keeper to direct them outside—To fulfill the prophecy.

In chess, that's called "disposition of pieces". The pieces were properly disposed to play their part: the inn was filled, the inn-keeper referred them outside, Joseph took Mary to the Manger, Jesus was born! It's an heavenly combination! Thus, even in life we have choices that are forced — They are the only available option!

Your entire posit doesn't refute free will! It buttresses agency in action and an intelligent mind disposing circumstances to an expected end! To even buttress my point, I know what to expect when I present my beloved with gifts, I can configure her response because I am familiar with the way she reasons and thinks!

This as well is documented in psychology, that human agency can be configured.

Gabrielshow24:
My argument doesn't fall flat, you only reiterate my point! There was no room at the inn, it was infact the free will of the inn-keeper to direct them outside—To fulfill the prophecy.

In chess, that's called "disposition of pieces". The pieces were properly disposed to play their part: the inn was filled, the inn-keeper referred them outside, Joseph took Mary to the Manger, Jesus was born! It's an heavenly combination! Thus, even in life we have choices that are forced — They are the only available option!

Your entire posit doesn't refute free will! It buttresses agency in action and an intelligent mind disposing circumstances to an expected end! To even buttress my point, I know what to expect when I present my beloved with gifts, I can configure her response because I am familiar with the way she reasons and thinks!

This as well is documented in psychology, that human agency can be configured.

It is just amazing what religion can turn people into. How can an intelligent person like you not see that if free will existed a decision by any random person could have derailed the prophecy? Joseph could have decided his wife would never give birth in a manger, so also Mary, or the manager of the inn or one of the guests could have decided to accommodate them as expectant couple, or the manger could have been closed, etc

FreeIgboho

You might find this interesting:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7DHTW-olGI

FreeIgboho:
It is just amazing what religion can turn people into. How can an intelligent person like you not see that if free will existed a decision by any random person could have derailed the prophecy? Joseph could have decided his wife would never give birth in a manger, so also Mary, or the manager of the inn or one of the guests could have decided to accommodate them as expectant couple, or the manger could have been closed, etc

You keep going back to your vomit, the fact it happened that way buttresses free will and divine configuration!

Even in chess there are moves that are conditioned, you can condition your opponent's options. In psychology this aspect of human conditioning is well developed. It's well enunciated, the different ways of conditioning humans.

Everything the person does is still based on his free will (agency of choice) but you can configure the circumstances and situations to your own expected end!

Gabrielshow24:
You keep going back to your vomit, the fact it happened that way buttresses free will and divine configuration!

Even in chess there are moves that are conditioned, you can condition your opponent's options. In psychology this aspect of human conditioning is well developed. It's well enunciated, the different ways of conditioning humans.

Everything the person does is still based on his free will (agency of choice) but you can configure the circumstances and situations to your own expected end!

😅 This is the epitome of saying nothing while pretending to talk. What is "agency of choice"?😂It's either you're totally the one deciding your moves or they're already decided or are somehow being fed to you. If anyone knows with 100% certainty your next move, you don't have free will. Simple!

FreeIgboho:
😅 This is the epitome of saying nothing while pretending to talk. What is "agency of choice"?😂It's either you're totally the one deciding your moves or they're already decided or are somehow being fed to you. If anyone knows with 100% certainty your next move, you don't have free will. Simple!

Do you even understand the implications of what you just said? How can an intelligible person say that because I can predict someone else's move that the person doesn't have free will?

Abeg, make it make sense.

FreeIgboho:
😅 This is the epitome of saying nothing while pretending to talk. What is "agency of choice"?😂It's either you're totally the one deciding your moves or they're already decided or are somehow being fed to you. If anyone knows with 100% certainty your next move, you don't have free will. Simple!

Imagine a scenario where 70% of us on Nairaland predicts that if Tinubu enters again for his second term it will be "looting galore"— Does it in any way undermine his agency of choice to actually commit such an action?

Think my bro, you are not being coherent and logical! Even in chess where grandmasters analyze myriad of candidate moves, 10-15moves deep, they are still caught by surprise because they didn't accomodate some certain moves from their opponents—free will!

Once again, the outcome is predetermined but the choice is yours!