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FreeIgboho:
No, not same God. They believe in Yaweh. They don't know who is Jehovah, an erroneous name.
But your people end up voting. So, pleatell, why do you hate voting so much

FreeIgboho:
That's exactly what I'm doing agreeing with you.
Please how do you spin this below

John 14:9
New International Version
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

LordReed:
FreeIgboho

You might find this interesting:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7DHTW-olGI

Gabrielshow24:
Imagine a scenario where 70% of us on Nairaland predicts that if Tinubu enters again for his second term it will be "looting galore"— Does it in any way undermine his agency of choice to actually commit such an action?

Think my bro, you are not being coherent and logical! Even in chess where grandmasters analyze myriad of candidate moves, 10-15moves deep, they are still caught by surprise because they didn't accomodate some certain moves from their opponents—free will!

Once again, the outcome is predetermined but the choice is yours!

Janosky:
Everyday you call Jesus with letter J.

All the Jewish names in your own Bible is with letter J.

Oga,dey reason & write like an educated person

Janosky:
John 14:9 Jesus is not the Father nau.

John 14:24,28 Jesus statement against your quote of verse 9 is written in simple English.

FreeIgboho:
The video is over 1hour long and you expect me to sit and watch it - me that only watches shorts! .
But it's a good atheist channel to know.

But, like I asked you before, what if this physical world you trust so deeply is NOT as physical and solid as you think. What if everything you've ever believed about this reality around you is based on a grand illusion? Ever thought of that?

FreeIgboho:
This one don pass me o. Can someone PLEASE help me tell my Christian brother here that you CAN'T KNOW with 100% certainty what a person's next move would be if the person had free will!!..

FreeIgboho:
This one don pass me o. Can someone PLEASE help me tell my Christian brother here that you CAN'T KNOW with 100% certainty what a person's next move would be if the person had free will!!

Even in this clip I previously shared, the guy knew right away he had no freewill if the oracle was 100% certain what his choice would be!!
WHY is it so hard for my bros here to fathom??
https://youtube.com/shorts/PLclzmowpHU?si=ft6EVAxkOGczbsqY


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Gabrielshow24:
Yes, you can. That's why God gave you a brain! If with your brain you can't figure out a person's possible moves then it's a stain on your education! It doesn't negate the free will of the actor.

Your argument is shallow and expects humans to be "". In certain circumstances, wisdom dictates that the actor has only one optimal option available to him/her! Still, free will is not diminished.

LordReed:
You can listen to it while you do other tasks, it doesn’t require you to sit and stare at the screen.

What if this world was actually made of jello? We can "what if" till the sun swallows the earth, what will always be helpful is what we know and how we know it.

If I ever get to know without equivocation that this wotld is an illusion then there would be no need to believe in a god so I would still operate without belief in a god.

Dtruthspeaker:
Your problem is your understanding and in it the ambiguity of the words eg "next move" will definitely be a problem. So won't understand that if we see an intelligent child we 100% know that he will pass common entrance and JSC.

But you won't ever understand no matter how people try to explain it.

Gabrielshow24:
Yes, you can. That's why God gave you a brain! If with your brain you can't figure out a person's possible moves then it's a stain on your education! It doesn't negate the free will of the actor.

Your argument is shallow and expects humans to be "". In certain circumstances, wisdom dictates that the actor has only one optimal option available to him/her! Still, free will is not diminished.

DeepSight:
If something is predestined to happen, the actor has no choice. If the writer of a book has set the plot, the characters are nothing.

Your argument only works when you are thinking of one human guessing the actions of another. It breaks down when you are talking of an omniscient power who knows exactly what will happen

FreeIgboho:
I think this is an appropriate response for you also:

In that short clip the fact the oracle already knew with certainty what the guy would do means either the guy had no choice (no freewill) or the choice was somehow supplied to him as his own when it wasn't.

The case of the intelligent child that the other guy cited is laughable. The child may not live up to his potential for a million variety of reasons including sickness and death. He may even use his freewill to decide he no longer wanted to go to school!
You are confusing probability with certainty, confusing prophecy with prediction.


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FreeIgboho:
. The case of the intelligent child is laughable. The child may not live up to his potential for a million variety of reasons including sickness and death. ..

Dtruthspeaker:
See it. I said "pass common entrance and JSC," you have changed it to live up to his potential.

Men, you need the hospital

FreeIgboho:
Of course Jesus is NOT the Father. Jesus is God the "Son", a manifestation of the Father,

FreeIgboho:
seeing whom is seeing the Father

Janosky:
John 3:16 & John 20:30-31,Jesus rejects your claim.

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John 14:9 is the proper meaning of John 14:24.

FreeIgboho:
You keep throwing up random verses hoping no one would look them up. Here's the very first verse you threw up. Where does Jesus say anything in the verse talkless of rejecting my claim? [/b]If anything it counteracts your JW doctrine!

Janosky:
Did Jesus Christ call himself "God the son" in your own Bible @ John 3:16 & John 10:36?


Is your AI inspired of God?

Did your AI call Jesus "God the son @ John 3:16?

Gabrielshow24:
I understand your point but I must also recall to you that the upper limit of probability is certainty! Probability acts as to show the degree of uncertainty, it doesn't mean some circumstances can't guarantee 100% probability—certainty, although rare!

Also, this clause "the choice was somehow supplied to him as his own when it wasn't." expresses human conditioning which I accounted for.

Prophecy is likewise prediction, even you as a Christian know the phrase "prophecy fails". Thus even if the oracle told him all that he is to do with certainty, he still has free will to fulfill it. Even when Saul was told all that he was to do, he was given an heart to fulfill it. Even Christ was obedient unto death!—Christ could have done otherwise or left everyone for himself 🤨 but he chose to obey!

In addition, the case of Peter is a perfect example 🤨. Jesus told him he will deny him, Peter resisted but the circumstances offered one optimal option —denial! Other options lead to possible crucifixion! 😁

Do you grab my point?

lawani:
How can John the Baptist who is not known outside the Bible be a great prophet that came before Jesus?. John the Baptist is not known to history and neither is Jesus Christ who was blown.out of proportion with a changed name centuries after his exit. Jesus Christ was not recorded in Roman history. He is only known in the Bible. Also his name was never Jesus Christ. He was Yisa bin Pantheras. Iesous is the only son of Zeus the Greek supreme deity and he is depicted as the Christ the perfect son of God. Christianity has a Jewish foundation but the Jewish messiah was morphed into the Greek pantheon and embellished with Roman traditions. No man is anything other human beings can never become whether God or last prophet

FreeIgboho:
No, sorry I don't grab your point.
Demonstrate it with this practical example.
How did the oracle know 100% what the guy would do?
https://youtube.com/shorts/PLclzmowpHU?si=ft6EVAxkOGczbsqY

"the choice was somehow supplied to him as his own when it wasn't." means EXACTLY that he had no freewill

Bottom line, there's something about this our reality that just doesn't add up!

Gabrielshow24:
why not consider Peter's story? It answers your questions! Peter had a choice didn't he?

DeepSight:
If something is predestined to happen, the actor has no choice. If the writer of a book has set the plot, the characters are nothing.

Your argument only works when you are thinking of one human guessing the actions of another. It breaks down when you are talking of an omniscient power who knows exactly what will happen

Gabrielshow24:
Nope, that's quite wrong. My argument takes into account an omnipotent power knowing all the possible moves and thus irrespective of the one taken it knows for a certainty the end result!

If you had read my response you would have known I made mention of human conditioning, I also took that into account. An intelligent mind can configure circumstances such that only one possible outcome is available to the actor! It's like having an irrefutable mate against your opponent, his outcome is loss no matter whatsoever he plays!

Gabrielshow24:
..If you had read my response you would have known I made mention of human conditioning, I also took that into account. An intelligent mind can configure circumstances such that only one possible outcome is available to the actor! It's like having an irrefutable mate against your opponent, his outcome is loss no matter whatsoever he plays!

Dtruthspeaker:
Perfect explanation! Do you play chess?

FreeIgboho:
Nope. Not if someone knew what he'd do hundreds of years before he was born à la birth of the Messiah in a manger!

Gabrielshow24:
It doesn't matter the time difference, the matter of essence is that with certainty the actor's actions are known! For Peter, it was hours later, for Jesus it was hundreds of years before. The time-length of the prophecy doesn't determine anything, the actor always has a choice but an intelligent mind has configured it that the optimal choice will fulfill the prophecy!