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happney65:
Na lie?

nateevs:
There is no part of this that is true. The phrase "inflated figures" are only used by pro-Israeli news outlets, to throw doubt on the actual scale of war crimes being committed.

The figures are issued by the Hamas Ministry of Health, and seen to be reliable by all other renowned international organisations.

IjeBos:
Your take on this seems so devoid of everyone else's.
Even people in the Trump administration think Netanyahu is acting like a madman.
I'm sure you'll call them antisemites as well.
You're defending someone even the Trump administration and all its immorality is having a hard time privately defending.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/white-house-concerned-by-madman-netanyahus-behavior-us-officials-say-in-wake-of-syria-strikes/

nateevs:
Ibime is like one of those pro-Israel supporters to the marrow. It's an ideological thing for them. Never fact-based. Nothing Israel does is wrong..... How dare you subject Israel or Netanyahu to fact-based scrutiny.

Ibime is crediting Israel for protecting humanity by bombing people, but failing to remember that they install a well-known Al-qeada terrorist as ruler of the new regime in Syria. Why? Because it furthers Israel's greater Israel project.

Tomorrow when they are no longer friends, and Israel remembers these are terrorists from Al-qeada, Ibime will be back to say they are protecting humanity, when they move on to yet another project.

Protecting humanity by installing trattoria in power.

nateevs:
This is a zionist talking point. Because we can kill you in millions in 7 days if we wanted to and we haven't, you should be grateful for the few hundred of thousands we have killed. That is a dehumanising talking point.

War crimes can be committed against only 100 people, even though protagonist is capable of doing same against millions. What matters are the facts!

Palestinians were celebrating on 8th of October because for them, and unlike for you, history did not start on 7th October. Over 900 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF in the same year pre Oct 7th. Over 3000 people have in perpetual captivity with no charge pre 7th Oct. Over 400 of these captives are children under 15. If some took your child away for months, years, and prevented you from seeing them, or having access to them because they have more power than you, you will celebrate if oct 7th happened to that person. It's simple!

You guys want to talk about the consequence of waging war, but only seem to be convenient talking about it in one direction. History did not start on Oct 7th mate.

And for the Hamas nonsense, it is another round of justifying dehumanisation to defend genocide. If on October 7th, Hamas captured Israelis but ran into a village with 100k people, hiding inside of the village, using Israelis as human shields, will you request carpet bombing the place, because Hamas are hiding inside of Israel civilian territory?

I know what the answer is.

cococandy:
Palestinians are not human I guess. Get the memo.

The funny thing is that even as bad as what Isreal is currently doing is, I would never support indiscriminate killing of their people. I would still be against whoever thinks exterminating them is a solution to anything.

There will never be a good reason for mass murder. I want boko haram exterminated. But I will never support carpet bombing northern Nigeria to achieve it. It’s really that simple and is a fair analogy.

There’s always a way to find out who’s responsible for whatever crime was committed and dealing with them.

Telling us you have to murder tens of thousands of people to get to the perpetrators is just mental laziness. It’s mental laziness because not only did they not stop to think how it doesn’t make sense, they also thought it would be a believable excuse to present in public and they never gave it a moment of consideration how it wouldn’t be acceptable if they were the “collateral damage”.

Collateral damage my ass. Are they themselves willing to die as part of said collateral damage? Or is it only okay when it’s other people 🙄.

Ibime:


Hamas Ministry of Health

They should first identify the Hamas fighters inside the number and split them out since they know their members.

Only a fowl relies on data from a terrorist organisation whose strategy is to be alarmist after poking a bees nest. And family of anyone who dies from heart attack or diabetes in Gaza wants to fill in "martyrdom form" so their relative can be counted amongst the saints.

basilico:
Obama is a disgrace to the black community. He wanted to remove Trump from power.
[b]In the months leading up to the November 2016 election, the Intelligence Community (IC) consistently assessed that Russia is “probably not trying … to influence the election by using cyber means.”
On December 7, 2016, after the election, talking points were prepared for DNI James Clapper stating, “Foreign adversaries did not use cyberattacks on election infrastructure to alter the US Presidential election outcome.”
On December 9, 2016, President Obama’s White House gathered top National Security Council Principals for a meeting that included James Clapper, John Brennan, Susan Rice, John Kerry, Loretta Lynch, Andrew McCabe and others, to discuss Russia.
After the meeting, DNI Clapper’s Executive Assistant sent an email to IC leaders tasking them with creating a new IC assessment “per the President’s request” that details the “tools Moscow used and actions it took to influence the 2016 election.” It went on to say, “ODNI will lead this effort with participation from CIA, FBI, NSA, and DHS.”
Obama officials leaked false statements to media outlets, including The Washington Post, claiming, “Russia has attempted through cyber means to interfere in, if not actively influence, the outcome of an election.”
On January 6, 2017, a new Intelligence Community Assessment was released that directly contradicted the IC assessments that were made throughout the previous six months.
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These actions led to the Mueller Inquisition all of it premised on evidence was full of Bee-Es.

nateevs:
This article is from May 2024, when the eyes of your ilk were closed. This was only 8 months into the conflict. Another 14 months has climbed on top, and unless you are in perpetuity of the echo-chamber, you will realise that the general sentiment of the war has changed all over the world, Everyone is talking about deliberate underestimating the number of murdered.

Why should we believe the words of a government that refuses the international press to cover the war? What are they hiding if they are not worse than Hamas?

bayelsaowei:
collateral damage is the excuse, until it impacts on a close family member.

Our brothers in Nigeria are supporting this madness because their relatives are not in Gaza.

nateevs:
Ibime is like one of those pro-Israel supporters to the marrow. It's an ideological thing for them. Never fact-based. Nothing Israel does is wrong..... How dare you subject Israel or Netanyahu to fact-based scrutiny.

Ibime is crediting Israel for protecting humanity by bombing people, but failing to remember that they install a well-known Al-qeada terrorist as ruler of the new regime in Syria. Why? Because it furthers Israel's greater Israel project.

Tomorrow when they are no longer friends, and Israel remembers these are terrorists from Al-qeada, Ibime will be back to say they are protecting humanity, when they move on to yet another project.

Protecting humanity by installing trattoria in power.

Obrigardo:
At the end it all points to basic human decency, a life where you can be free but don't use your freedom to bring another man burdens. Some people just don't believe in that, because how can you be human and excuse people looking for food being executed, or controlled mass starvation.

A decent human won't excuse Oct 7th and would also not absolve the state of Israel and netanyahu for war crimes.

nateevs:
This article is from May 2024, when the eyes of your ilk were closed. This was only 8 months into the conflict. Another 14 months has climbed on top, and unless you are in perpetuity of the echo-chamber, you will realise that the general sentiment of the war has changed all over the world, Everyone is talking about deliberate underestimating the number of murdered.

bayelsaowei:
Your last point is apt.

Won’t the Israeli forces carefully comb thru the crowd to weed out the Hamas folks and extract innocent folks.

I have told a friend of mine that Isreal would have God to face for their genocidal acts.

bayelsaowei:
exactly. Both events are bad. But some Zionist think only the event of Oct 7th is bad. Whilst the continuous elimination of tens of thousands of humans including innocent women and children is right and in fact a thoughtful action.

benalvino3:
Israel cannot comb through everyone in a hospital or a school if they are taking fire from that position. They will call in an air strike, and everyone there will be collateral damage. It is the rule of war.

When you find yourself in such a situation, you will understand the realities of war.

It will only be a Genocide if:

1: They surrendered, and Israel continues to bomb civilians
2: Israel refused to allow the people of Gaza to escape the region

nateevs:
Ibime is like one of those pro-Israel supporters to the marrow. It's an ideological thing for them. Never fact-based. Nothing Israel does is wrong..... How dare you subject Israel or Netanyahu to fact-based scrutiny.

Ibime is crediting Israel for protecting humanity by bombing people, but failing to remember that they install a well-known Al-qeada terrorist as ruler of the new regime in Syria. Why? Because it furthers Israel's greater Israel project.

Tomorrow when they are no longer friends, and Israel remembers these are terrorists from Al-qeada, Ibime will be back to say they are protecting humanity, when they move on to yet another project.

Protecting humanity by installing trattoria in power.

Ibeme:
Allow these people to dey yarn nonsense. It sounds good from a computer until you are under fire.

The number of deaths in Gaza is one of the lowest ever among such population density in Urban Guerilla warfare history. War is not for bleeding hearts.

benalvino3:
I warned about war with Israel long before the invasion. People who do not have the means to defend themselves should always look for peace.
20% of Israel is made up of Palestinians who are in the parliament and fight with the IDF. Gaza would be a good place for everyone to co-exist if they seek peace. Despite all the issues and suicide attacks that led Israel to build that wall, Israel was still allowing Gazans into Israel for work until October 7th. And sadly, some of those workers were providing information to Hamas on key towns to attack.

benalvino3:
Israel cannot comb through everyone in a hospital or a school if they are taking fire from that position. They will call in an air strike, and everyone there will be collateral damage. It is the rule of war.

When you find yourself in such a situation, you will understand the realities of war.

It will only be a Genocide if:

1: They surrendered, and Israel continues to bomb civilians
2: Israel refused to allow the people of Gaza to escape the region

We know Israel has asked for the people to leave the region, but others have refused.

International humanitarian law (IHL), particularly the Geneva Conventions and their Additional Protocols, provides rules that protect individuals fleeing war zones. Key principles include:

Protection of Civilians: Civilians cannot be targeted and must be protected from violence. They are entitled to safe passage to flee conflict areas if their safety is at risk.

Prohibition of Forced Displacement: Forcible transfer or deportation of civilians is prohibited unless required for their security or imperative military necessity, and even then, adequate conditions (shelter, food, hygiene, health) must be ensured.

Right to Humanitarian Access: Parties to a conflict must allow humanitarian organizations to deliver aid and facilitate the movement of civilians seeking safety.

Non-Refoulement: Under international refugee law, notably the 1951 Refugee Convention, individuals fleeing persecution or danger (including war) cannot be returned to a place where they face irreparable harm.

These rules aim to minimize civilian suffering, though their enforcement depends on the parties involved respecting IHL, which is not always guaranteed in active conflicts.

So, how is it Israel's fault that Hamas won't surrender and release hostages?
They use their people as a human shield, so people like you will spread their propaganda,
everyone talks about the blockade, how Israel does not allow anything in and out of Gaza. Does Israel control the border with Egypt?
Why is no one complaining about Egypt? They are not Jews, right?

Israel opens its border for Palestinians to work, Egypt does not do the same, and now they won't allow refugees to flee the war, which is against the International humanitarian law

'Let's just say it is a Genocide and pretend we have a point'.

This is a recorded phone call by a terrorist to his parents. He told them he just killed Jews, and he is calling them from the phone of a woman he killed. They were proud of their son

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E-Tfh8Mcgs

Before Israel invaded, this was the sentiment in Palestine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWOw7YI7vzo

This is what an attempted genocide looks like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8DwCl5uEL8&rco=1

Civilians went into Israel and took Hostages and loot.

But someone it is a Genocide carried out by Israel despite all these.

So tell us, how many civilians have died in Lebanon since Hezbollah Surrendered?

bayelsaowei:
Right to Humanitarian Access: Parties to a conflict must allow humanitarian organizations to deliver aid and facilitate the movement of civilians seeking safety

I read this..is isreal allowing innocent children and women gain access adequately to humanitarian aid?

Firing shots at humans seeking aid or food..what do you call that?

Ahh..one of the consequences of war.. Right?

Ibeme:
Yeah Israel should allow ISIS genocide the Druze in Syria and throw Sōyboys like you out of the window just because Trump doesn't want any more noise from the Middle East

Israel's air support is doing a great job for humanity and helping the Druze hold the line for the most part against those carrying out genocide against them

But mention Israel and you lose all rational thinking.

nateevs:
Sympathy for Terrorism had a long standing meaning until lately. Some of us were bold enough to start as soon as Oct of the same year, but the tide is turning. We are seeing now that those standing on the right side of history, are those standing with the Palestinians. Those that promote the oppression of Palestinians are the actual terrorism sympathisers.

What business do the elderly Palestinians in the village who are being ejected from their homes in thousands, in the West Bank, Hebron, Jerusalem have to do with "suspected terrorism"? You have whole families lose their livelihood, homes, belongings, overnight, because a bunch of Israelis and they get on site back up from the IDF showing up in numbers? Who's doing the terrorism? And why do you think people don't have the right to fight back?

Children as young as 8 years old are being held without charge, gun shot wounds to head, legs, stomach. Women being gang-raped by IDF soldiers, who film their shameful acts and put on tik tok..... but it's only one side doing the terrorism when they fight back?

Can an 8-yo be held indefinitely in the UK, with no charge, under the grounds of terrorism, even if the suspicion is true? No! But you justify same for Palestinians, and I am the terrorism sympathiser.

You guys are shameless.

benalvino3:
Hamas is killing Aid workers because the aid is no longer under their control via the UN. They shoot civilians and lie that it is Israel, and the fake news media will echo those lies, later quietly make adjustments to their reporting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRIJqM5Bjsk

This is Hamas doing the firing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnJK0j6beao

It seems like your perspective on this crisis is based on Hamas' lies and propaganda.

Direct your complaint to Egypt regarding its refusal to allow refugees to remain in the desert. Complain to the international community for not pressuring Egypt to establish a humanitarian corridor.

Obrigardo:
I was just laughing off today to the fact that the cultic fellows who cheered on the supreme court basically saying the 'President' is above the law now dreaming of Obama, being protected by same law being arrested.
Not saying Obama did or didn't do anything, but this is a very weak and cheap attack

Obrigardo:
I was just laughing off today to the fact that the cultic fellows who cheered on the supreme court basically saying the 'President' is above the law now dreaming of Obama, being protected by same law being arrested.
Not saying Obama did or didn't do anything, but this is a very weak and cheap attack