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Lucifyre:
Typical circular reasoning, unverifiable belief, and selective readings which, ironically, all back up my point. Quoting Isaiah 59:2 and then using that to define sin as “separation from God” is laughable. What kind of tautology is that? It’s like saying: “Mosquitoes cause malaria, therefore malaria is a mosquito.” lol! Not that I care anyway, you can define it however you want. It still doesn't change the fact of what I said about what it is, which is why it's applied nowhere else except in religious contexts, thankfully.

Whatever u wrote u there makes no sense. Do u even know what tautology means?
Imagine making meaningless comparison with mosquito and malaria.


Even AI shows better insight into biblical understanding of sin than u.

Lucifyre:
Typical circular reasoning, unverifiable belief, and selective readings which, ironically, all back up my point. Quoting Isaiah 59:2 and then using that to define sin as “separation from God” is laughable. What kind of tautology is that? It’s like saying: “Mosquitoes cause malaria, therefore malaria is a mosquito.” lol! Not that I care anyway, you can define it however you want. It still doesn't change the fact of what I said about what it is, which is why it's applied nowhere else except in religious contexts, thankfully.

Then next, you drop a chart from an unverified, anonymous source (likely lifted from an apologetics site) and call it “evidence,” even though it shows what I’ve said from the start: basically a non-unified, inconsistent, and evolving interpretive tradition — the typical and massive retcon. Even the idea that "no Jew interpreted Isaiah 53 as Israel until 1000 AD" is a popular fat Christian lie that is verifiably false as scholars like John Collins, Mark Smith, Adele Berlin, James Kugel and Fishbane amongst many other scholars - some of which are even xtain - document.

Your source which expectedly shall not be named, shows rabbis as much as xtains disagreeing about whether the servant is Israel, a prophet, the messiah, or someone else entirely, with the dominant view being Israel. So how does that confirm divine clarity? Again tour very own source shows absolutely none of them — zero, zilch, nada — expecting the messiah to be crucified, resurrected, dieing for sins or that it's Jesus. Didn’t your own scriptures say “God is not the author of confusion”? Because what you're citing is pure biblical confusion.

So your weak attempt at a bait-and-switch is a task failed successfully. Even your chart never names Jesus, just like Isaiah 53 doesn’t. But “servant” is clearly and repeatedly named as Israel in Isaiah Ch 41–49: “But you, Israel, my servant.” So for Isaiah 53 to suddenly shift to a Jesus who is named nowhere, not even in the Hebrew Bible as a whole, is the exact type of massive retcon of selectively applying and discarding the text in a subjective manner to renegotiate and reinterpret it only xtainity and its numerous denoms are capable of.

No surprise then that you guys can’t even agree on what you call “truth” or “evidence,” which is quite laughable for something supposedly divinely revealed. Truth must be objective, verifiable, observable, demonstrable, and falsifiable. Truth is truth regardless of belief or acceptance. None of these apply to your joke called “truth,” which is why it’s not widely accepted the world over as the truth and luckily never will be.

There’s only one standard of truth accepted regardless of race, location, belief, acceptance, culture, etc. Christianity will factually never be it, except all xtains can objectively agree which would obviously never happen. So instead of performing mystical dodges, why not show us:

Where Jesus is mentioned by name as the messiah anywhere,

Or Jesus’ children, according to Isaiah 53:10,

Or where he repents of sin,

Or where he dies multiple times?

Or is he scared of dying multiple times to fulfill his other failed prophecy about his return? 😂

Surely, you'd be able to point out these things easily from Isaiah 53 if it’s not the typical Christian selective renegotiating retcon. Typical circus act, Tick tock.

Now my guy u are waffling....
U see why I don't like responding to this guy.
Tons of verbosity with zero evidence for his claim.


My friend staying on topic. Stop the unnecessary divergence.
Uve lost the plot, admit and leave.

Did the bible prophesy a someone dying for the sin of humanity. The answer is YES.

If U have any evidence to the contrary. I mean evidence...I don't want your long boring lectures.
EVIDENCE...produce.

All your shalaye is just a clear defeatist mentality. We call it waffling.

U quoted some scholars. Did they say Isaiah 53 is about Israel and always been about Israel?
Bring evidence. That's what I wna to see not your waffling.

SIRTeee15:
Whatever u wrote u there makes no sense. Do u even know what tautology means?
Imagine making meaningless comparison with mosquito and malaria.


Even AI shows better insight into biblical understanding of sin than u.

What God are you referring to in the context of sin, Biblical god, Buddhist God, Shintoist God or, over 2000 other religions.

Lucifyre:
Typical circular reasoning, unverifiable belief, and selective readings which, ironically, all back up my point. Quoting Isaiah 59:2 and then using that to define sin as “separation from God” is laughable. What kind of tautology is that? It’s like saying: “Mosquitoes cause malaria, therefore malaria is a mosquito.” lol! Not that I care anyway, you can define it however you want. It still doesn't change the fact of what I said about what it is, which is why it's applied nowhere else except in religious contexts, thankfully.

Then next, you drop a chart from an unverified, anonymous source (likely lifted from an apologetics site) and call it “evidence,” even though it shows what I’ve said from the start: basically a non-unified, inconsistent, and evolving interpretive tradition — the typical and massive retcon. Even the idea that "no Jew interpreted Isaiah 53 as Israel until 1000 AD" is a popular fat Christian lie that is verifiably false as scholars like John Collins, Mark Smith, Adele Berlin, James Kugel and Fishbane amongst many other scholars - some of which are even xtain - document.

Your source which expectedly shall not be named, shows rabbis as much as xtains disagreeing about whether the servant is Israel, a prophet, the messiah, or someone else entirely, with the dominant view being Israel. So how does that confirm divine clarity? Again tour very own source shows absolutely none of them — zero, zilch, nada — expecting the messiah to be crucified, resurrected, dieing for sins or that it's Jesus. Didn’t your own scriptures say “God is not the author of confusion”? Because what you're citing is pure biblical confusion.

So your weak attempt at a bait-and-switch is a task failed successfully. Even your chart never names Jesus, just like Isaiah 53 doesn’t. But “servant” is clearly and repeatedly named as Israel in Isaiah Ch 41–49: “But you, Israel, my servant.” So for Isaiah 53 to suddenly shift to a Jesus who is named nowhere, not even in the Hebrew Bible as a whole, is the exact type of massive retcon of selectively applying and discarding the text in a subjective manner to renegotiate and reinterpret it only xtainity and its numerous denoms are capable of.

No surprise then that you guys can’t even agree on what you call “truth” or “evidence,” which is quite laughable for something supposedly divinely revealed. Truth must be objective, verifiable, observable, demonstrable, and falsifiable. Truth is truth regardless of belief or acceptance. None of these apply to your joke called “truth,” which is why it’s not widely accepted the world over as the truth and luckily never will be.

There’s only one standard of truth accepted regardless of race, location, belief, acceptance, culture, etc. Christianity will factually never be it, except all xtains can objectively agree which would obviously never happen. So instead of performing mystical dodges, why not show us:

Where Jesus is mentioned by name as the messiah anywhere,

Or Jesus’ children, according to Isaiah 53:10,

Or where he repents of sin,

Or where he dies multiple times?

Or is he scared of dying multiple times to fulfill his other failed prophecy about his return? 😂

Surely, you'd be able to point out these things easily from Isaiah 53 if it’s not the typical Christian selective renegotiating retcon. Typical circus act, Tick tock.

Luciferi how are U
Isaiah 53 greets U......

SIRTee15:
Luciferi how are U
Isaiah 53 greets U......

😄 So wait let me get this straight, you chicken out from a convo cause you couldn't answer simple straightforward questions. Just to come bk to it after a long time, only cause you were called out for been a chicken. Quoted me everywhere and still didn't give any sembalnce of an answer despite the numerous quotes. Time passes again and you quote me yet again, still no semblance of an answer but vague pics from nameless sources.

Anyways humor me one more time let's see if the same scenario plays out. It should be easy to answer the questions from my comment you quoted. So I'll paste it here for you to answer. 😁 4 simple questions, 4 simple answers.

(...why not show us in Isaiah 53:

Where Jesus is mentioned by name as the messiah or even anywhere,

Or Jesus’ children, according to Isaiah 53:10,

Or where he repents of sin,

Or where he dies multiple times, all according to Isaiah 53?

Or is he scared of dying multiple times to fulfill his other failed prophecy about his return? 😂

Surely, you'd be able to point out these things easily from Isaiah 53 if it’s not the typical Christian selective renegotiating retcon. Typical circus act, Tick tock.)

Lucifyre:
😄 So wait let me get this straight, you chicken out from a convo cause you couldn't answer simple straightforward questions. Just to come bk to it after a long time, only cause you were called out for been a chicken. Quoted me everywhere and still didn't give any sembalnce of an answer despite the numerous quotes. Time passes again and you quote me yet again, still no semblance of an answer but vague pics from nameless sources.

Anyways humor me one more time let's see if the same scenario plays out. It should be easy to answer the questions from my comment you quoted. So I'll paste it here for you to answer. 😁 4 simple questions, 4 simple answers.

(...why not show us in Isaiah 53:

Where Jesus is mentioned by name as the messiah or even anywhere,

Or Jesus’ children, according to Isaiah 53:10,

Or where he repents of sin,

Or where he dies multiple times, all according to Isaiah 53?

Or is he scared of dying multiple times to fulfill his other failed prophecy about his return? 😂

Surely, you'd be able to point out these things easily from Isaiah 53 if it’s not the typical Christian selective renegotiating retcon. Typical circus act, Tick tock.)

I responded to your waffling, go and check; but the problem is I'm allergic to claims lacking in evidence and that's what your posts are all about. I may or may not answer.

Demanding that I show U the name of Jesus in the old testament is a desperate attempt at clutching at straws.

Anyway Louis Pasteur greets U.

SIRTee15:
I responded to your waffling, go and check; but the problem is I'm allergic to claims lacking in evidence and that's what your posts are all about. I may or may not answer.

Demanding that I show U the name of Jesus in the old testament is a desperate attempt at clutching at straws.

Anyway Louis Pasteur greets U.

🤣🤣🤣
Thought as much, typical chicken with empty noise. What further seals this is the incredible irony that Pasteur never said such when fact checked. Truly laughable, at least like the others on here ud think twice before quoting me next time. 🤡

Lucifyre:
🤣🤣🤣
Thought as much, typical chicken with empty noise. What further seals this is the incredible irony that Pasteur never said such when fact checked. Truly laughable, at least like the others on here ud think twice before quoting me next time. 🤡

Quoting U!!!

Only God knows how many times I've busted U!!!! And I will continue to do so until U repent.

U are no different from other atheist I have debated here. Poor knowledge of biblical theology and Christian historicity.
U guys watch some half baked YouTube videos and then think U know it all to challenge Christians with your half illiteracy.

U jumped in here claiming Isaiah 53 is about Israel.

When I slapped him with contra evidence, he's now
changing mouth, bringing up irrelevance saying I should show him Jesus in the old testament....as if I ever debated that with him in the first place.

THE DEBATE IS SIMPLE- IS ISAIAH 53 ABOUT ISRAEL OR MESSIAH.
STOP WAFFLING AND DEAL WITH THE QUESTION.

The funny thing is if I take U up on 'if Jesus is mentioned by name in the old testament' U will run away or start waffling again.

I will continue to stop n embarass u and other atheist so long as u guys won't take your nose off the bible and focus on your false belief.

I already did a good job bringing that other thread about Paul and the gospel to a dead end. None of u guys could respond to my rebuttal.

U can help goosethetruth resurrect his thread if U have what it takes.

As for this one, pls don't quote me if U are not ready to deal with the argument- Is Isaiah 53 about the suffering Messiah or Israel. pls I need evidence, I'm not interested in your half baked opinions.

Lucifyre:
🤣🤣🤣
Thought as much, typical chicken with empty noise. What further seals this is the incredible irony that Pasteur never said such when fact checked. Truly laughable, at least like the others on here ud think twice before quoting me next time. 🤡

Pele...
I can see Seun's spam bot is giving u hard time.
Maybe U should be more coherent and learn to argue without insult.
Then U will be fine.

SIRTeee15:
Pele...
I can see Seun's spam bot is giving u hard time.
Maybe U should be more coherent and learn to argue without insult.
Then U will be fine.

Like you weren't ban by the spam bot too 🤣. Anyways empty noise would always be empty noise over whose imaginary friend is real.

I'm sure The True God of the Original Torah never asked for any animal sacrifice as the corrupted Torah we have now was written after the return from Babylon where they learnt this pagan practice.