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CaseSensitive:
Let me break this down clearly. Using Gaza’s geography and economy to argue it’s not under siege is like saying Lagos isn’t struggling because there are malls in Victoria Island while millions live in slums or can barely afford 3 square meal. Gaza may have some shops and hotels, but the overwhelming majority are starving, suffering power outages, and cut off from basic medical supplies. That “open-air prison” label is about control and denial of freedom, not absence of buildings.

Yes Palestinians have their own passport but Israel controls who goes in or comes out of Gaza, Palestinians have no control over their own airspace, sea access or borders. Electricity, water, medical supplies etc is heavily dependent on Israel's approval but that's not an open air prison according to your logic because they have hotels and 8 storey buildings?

Your migration stats don’t tell the whole story. Palestinians who have permits to enter Israel are a tiny minority handpicked under strict conditions. You can’t compare that to free, voluntary migration. The rest are stuck under siege, unable to leave for education, medical care, or work. The fact that some cross legally doesn’t negate the fact that millions cannot.

Yes, Hamas built tunnels, but those tunnels were in response to a decade-long blockade that strangled Gaza’s economy and people. When you cage millions with no hope, desperation fuels underground networks, whether for resistance or survival. Would you expect otherwise?
And the “rocket tests” or paragliding? These are military activities in a territory under constant attack and occupation. Civilians pay the price for these. That’s the real tragedy.

Your comparison to Nazis is beyond irresponsible. Nazis committed genocide on an industrial scale. What Israel is doing in Gaza is horrific and, according to many international experts, breaches international law but it’s not yet on the same level as the Holocaust. Using that analogy only trivializes historical suffering.

Also about prisoners: Yes, Israel holds thousands of Palestinians, many without trial or due process, including children. Hamas holding Israeli captives is tragic and must be resolved, but that justifies the wholesale destruction of Gaza or the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians because Israel wants to "rescue" 50 hostages? Very very justifiable.

And why Hamas isn't attacking Egypt? Erm maybe because Egypt isn't occupying Gaza, bombing it's homes or building illegal settlements on Palestinian land. (Common sense may actually not be common after all)

Hope you understand that?

There is no country that allows free unchecked entry into its borders. If Egypt doesn't let Palestinians in to avoid Hamas members from getting in, why should Israel let its guard down? Israel is the only country in the world that is criticised for having its military at its borders with a hostile neighbour. Even here in Nigeria, our soldiers are at the border with Benin Republic and even before you get to the border, you will pass through multiple checkpoints despite the fact that Benin Republic is not a hostile state to Nigeria. Why should that of Israel be different? Why should Israel allow people freely pass from Gaza to Israel and vice versa? Who does that? Can you cross from USA to Canada without proper documentation and not get arrested? If Israel is such a hostile neighbour to the Palestinians in Gaza, why don't they go through Egypt? This is one question you all run away from. The Egyptian government has tougher and stricter migration laws for Palestine but lets ignore that and focus on Israel. Such hypocrisy. You also failed to tell me where Israel was when Hamas was carrying out its tests and building tunnels when Israel, the great occupier, was supposed to stop them.

I find it irritating that you condemn the poor health care facilities in Gaza and at the time you justify the use of millions of aid money to build tunnels by Hamas instead of improving the healthcare sector. You justify the use of aid money to build tunnels and purchase drones from Iran. How do you justify Hamas destroying water pipes to build rockets and then complain of poor water supply in Gaza?

Not to forget, my comparison of Hamas to Nazi is 100% on point. The Nazis killed Jews on a mass scale which was exactly what Hamas planned to do on Oct 7 but failed because unlike the 1940s, the Jews can properly defend themselves now.

And please before the war started, there were no Jews in Gaza building houses as you have claimed. Israel has maintained the agreement of the Oslo accord which resulted in a Jew-free Gaza in 2005. The only Jewish civilians in Gaza currently are the captives held by Hamas.

CaseSensitive:
Wow. Coming from a Nigerian, this level of bootlicking for colonial logic is beyond astounding. You're from a country that lived through the Biafra war where millions of civilians including children were starved as a war tactic and yet you're here justifying the same strategy against Palestinians. It would actually be very funny if you're from South East, I'm not.

You, of all people, should know what it means to be displaced, labelled, and gaslighted while the real oppressors play victim. If an apartment in a bombed-out block with no clean water, food, or freedom means someone “isn’t a refugee,” then by that logic, every Nigerian living in a slum should be called rich because they have a roof and a shop. Nonsense.

You clearly don’t understand history. Most Gazans are refugees because Israel kicked their families out in 1948 and locked them in a strip of land that it’s been bombing and blockading for 17 years. That’s not a conspiracy, it’s a documented fact, one the UN, historians, and even Israeli leaders have openly acknowledged.

And don’t bring up the fake “five peace offers”, all of them were offers to surrender, not to build a state. Maps cut into crumbs, no army, no borders, no Jerusalem, just an occupied bantustan. Sounds familiar, doesn’t it? That’s how apartheid worked in South Africa too. You think Palestinians should’ve accepted that? You’d be the type to tell Mandela to just accept a “homeland” and stop causing trouble.

You say “annex Gaza and be done with it”? That’s the language of a colonizer. That’s saying: “If they won’t give up, wipe them out.” And you say it casually, while children are being buried under rubble. If Israel committed in Nigeria what it’s doing in Gaza, you’d be shouting to the heavens. But because it's Palestinians, you're fine with genocide, as long as it’s neat and final. You're cheering on the same machine that crushed your ancestors. History doesn't forget, even if you choose to forget or prefer to be very ignorant. I use to be ignorant too, carry on, your eye go soon clear.

Oh I like your username by the way, but the "Un" in “Unbiased” is really doing some heavy lifting.

A bombed out block? How many blocks in Gaza were bombed out before Oct 7? All the clashes that took place between Israel and Hamas from 2008 to 2021 where as a result of initial rocket fire from Gaza prompting a decisive response from Israel. If we are to go by your refugee claim then almost all the Jews living in Israel are refugees because most of the Jews in Israel were those kicked out of other Middle Eastern countries. Maybe you should do more research about the Jewish communities in the Middle East and how those communities disappeared after 1948. The real ethnic cleansing took place after 1948 but no one cared because it happened to the Jews.

As for the 5 peace deals you are trying to downplay, the second one (UN partition plan of 1947) had Jerusalem as an International city not owned by either Jews or Arabs. The 3rd, 4th and the most recent 5th offer that took place in 2008 included East Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine. Google is your friend here. The Palestinians have always wanted Israel out of the Middle East and that will never happen.

You also mentioned Biafra. I hope you know that the UN declared that the starvation of Biafran children was a direct consequence of war and not a genocide? Today the same starvation is called a genocide. Gross double standards and hypocrisy.

Unbiased1:
There is no country that allows free unchecked entry into its borders. If Egypt doesn't let Palestinians in to avoid Hamas members from getting in, why should Israel let its guard down? Israel is the only country in the world that is criticised for having its military at its borders with a hostile neighbour. Even here in Nigeria, our soldiers are at the border with Benin Republic and even before you get to the border, you will pass through multiple checkpoints despite the fact that Benin Republic is not a hostile state to Nigeria. Why should that of Israel be different? Why should Israel allow people freely pass from Gaza to Israel and vice versa? Who does that? Can you cross from USA to Canada without proper documentation and not get arrested? If Israel is such a hostile neighbour to the Palestinians in Gaza, why don't they go through Egypt? This is one question you all run away from. The Egyptian government has tougher and stricter migration laws for Palestine but lets ignore that and focus on Israel. Such hypocrisy. You also failed to tell me where Israel was when Hamas was carrying out its tests and building tunnels when Israel, the great occupier, was supposed to stop them.

I find it irritating that you condemn the poor health care facilities in Gaza and at the time you justify the use of millions of aid money to build tunnels by Hamas instead of improving the healthcare sector. You justify the use of aid money to build tunnels and purchase drones from Iran. How do you justify Hamas destroying water pipes to build rockets and then complain of poor water supply in Gaza?

Not to forget, my comparison of Hamas to Nazi is 100% on point. The Nazis killed Jews on a mass scale which was exactly what Hamas planned to do on Oct 7 but failed because unlike the 1940s, the Jews can properly defend themselves now.

And please before the war started, there were no Jews in Gaza building houses as you have claimed. Israel has maintained the agreement of the Oslo accord which resulted in a Jew-free Gaza in 2005. The only Jewish civilians in Gaza currently are the captives held by Hamas.

Chief, you keep throwing out strawman arguments like they’re fact. Nobody is saying countries shouldn’t have border security. What we're saying, and what you're carefully avoiding, is that Israel’s control of Gaza is not about normal border policy. It’s about domination. Total control of airspace, sea, imports, exports, movement, and even calorie intake, that’s not a checkpoint. That’s a siege.
Comparing it to USA–Canada or Nigeria–Benin is laughable. Are those countries bombing each other? Cutting off medicine and food? Starving children? Turning entire cities into rubble? No. So let’s not insult everyone’s intelligence by pretending this is just “border control.”

As for Egypt, again, deflection. Egypt’s Rafah crossing is a single gate. It’s not Gaza’s airport, seaport, telecoms, or airspace. Israel controls all of that. Egypt is complicit, sure, but it’s not the occupying power. It’s Israel that imposes the naval blockade. It’s Israel that decides what food, fuel, and medicine is “permissible.” Gaza’s survival and its collapse has always been tied to Israel’s grip.

Now about Hamas, you keep repeating that they used aid to build tunnels. First off, let’s be clear: Iran most likely funded the tunnel infrastructures. The majority of international aid never even touches Hamas. It goes through the UN, NGOs, and international bodies. Gaza’s hospitals are collapsing because Israel has repeatedly bombed them, not because Hamas spent all the money on tunnels.
You want to question Hamas’ priorities? That's fine and fair. But you’re using that to excuse the mass killing of civilians. You don’t bomb an entire population because you hate its rulers. That’s collective punishment and it’s a war crime.

And your Nazi comparison is not “100% on point.” It’s 100% disgraceful. The Nazis industrialized genocide, rounded up entire populations, and tried to exterminate a race. Hamas committed a horrific attack but that doesn’t justify flattening Gaza or labeling every Palestinian a terrorist. Your comparison is emotional bait, not historical analysis.
Oh and about the settlers. Don’t lie. Yes, Israel removed settlers from Gaza in 2005, but it never stopped controlling it militarily. Gaza was turned into a fenced cage, its economy strangled, its air and sea space locked. Leaving settlers doesn’t equal freedom when you still hold the keys to the prison. That's like saying apartheid South Africa should have been a democracy too.

And please don't even attempt to insult my intelligence about the Oslo accord. Let’s not pretend Israel respected the Accords, the same Israel that expanded settlements in the West Bank, killed the two-state solution, and continues to violate every agreement they signed when it suits them. You're defending a state that demands everyone else follow rules while breaking them with zero consequences.
So before you call anyone a hypocrite, check your own position. You're not defending peace bro. You’re defending apartheid, starvation, displacement, and occupation then blaming the victims for resisting. That’s not justice, that’s propaganda with lies and deflections.

Unbiased1:
A bombed out block? How many blocks in Gaza were bombed out before Oct 7? All the clashes that took place between Israel and Hamas from 2008 to 2021 where as a result of initial rocket fire from Gaza prompting a decisive response from Israel. If we are to go by your refugee claim then almost all the Jews living in Israel are refugees because most of the Jews in Israel were those kicked out of other Middle Eastern countries. Maybe you should do more research about the Jewish communities in the Middle East and how those communities disappeared after 1948. The real ethnic cleansing took place after 1948 but no one cared because it happened to the Jews.

As for the 5 peace deals you are trying to downplay, the second one (UN partition plan of 1947) had Jerusalem as an International city not owned by either Jews or Arabs. The 3rd, 4th and the most recent 5th offer that took place in 2008 included East Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine. Google is your friend here. The Palestinians have always wanted Israel out of the Middle East and that will never happen.

You also mentioned Biafra. I hope you know that the UN declared that the starvation of Biafran children was a direct consequence of war and not a genocide? Today the same starvation is called a genocide. Gross double standards and hypocrisy.

Honestly, I stopped taking you seriously the moment you downplayed the Biafra war. Any Nigerian parroting “it wasn’t genocide” while thousands of children starved on global TV either has selective memory or is too intellectually colonized to face hard truths. The UK backed that war military and financially, not for unity or justice, but for oil and geopolitical leverage. Same playbook they support in the Middle East today which is to back whoever serves their interests, civilians be damned.

So forgive me if I don’t buy your moral outrage over Hamas rockets when your own history is soaked in silent complicity. Gaza was already a strangled, walled-off ghetto before Oct 7. The siege, the blockades, the “calorie calculation” Israel didn’t just respond, they engineered misery.

You say Jewish refugees built a state, yes, with full Western backing and billions in aid. Palestinians? They got dispossession, refugee camps, and bombs for breakfast.

Until you reckon with your own history and stop regurgitating propaganda like it’s gospel, spare us the lectures on morality and peace deals. You sound less like a concerned observer and more like someone cheering from the sidelines because they think being colonized made them wise.

CaseSensitive:
Chief, you keep throwing out strawman arguments like they’re fact. Nobody is saying countries shouldn’t have border security. What we're saying, and what you're carefully avoiding, is that Israel’s control of Gaza is not about normal border policy. It’s about domination. Total control of airspace, sea, imports, exports, movement, and even calorie intake, that’s not a checkpoint. That’s a siege.
Comparing it to USA–Canada or Nigeria–Benin is laughable. Are those countries bombing each other? Cutting off medicine and food? Starving children? Turning entire cities into rubble? No. So let’s not insult everyone’s intelligence by pretending this is just “border control.”

As for Egypt, again, deflection. Egypt’s Rafah crossing is a single gate. It’s not Gaza’s airport, seaport, telecoms, or airspace. Israel controls all of that. Egypt is complicit, sure, but it’s not the occupying power. It’s Israel that imposes the naval blockade. It’s Israel that decides what food, fuel, and medicine is “permissible.” Gaza’s survival and its collapse has always been tied to Israel’s grip.

Now about Hamas, you keep repeating that they used aid to build tunnels. First off, let’s be clear: Iran most likely funded the tunnel infrastructures. The majority of international aid never even touches Hamas. It goes through the UN, NGOs, and international bodies. Gaza’s hospitals are collapsing because Israel has repeatedly bombed them, not because Hamas spent all the money on tunnels.
You want to question Hamas’ priorities? That's fine and fair. But you’re using that to excuse the mass killing of civilians. You don’t bomb an entire population because you hate its rulers. That’s collective punishment and it’s a war crime.

And your Nazi comparison is not “100% on point.” It’s 100% disgraceful. The Nazis industrialized genocide, rounded up entire populations, and tried to exterminate a race. Hamas committed a horrific attack but that doesn’t justify flattening Gaza or labeling every Palestinian a terrorist. Your comparison is emotional bait, not historical analysis.
Oh and about the settlers. Don’t lie. Yes, Israel removed settlers from Gaza in 2005, but it never stopped controlling it militarily. Gaza was turned into a fenced cage, its economy strangled, its air and sea space locked. Leaving settlers doesn’t equal freedom when you still hold the keys to the prison. That's like saying apartheid South Africa should have been a democracy too.

And please don't even attempt to insult my intelligence about the Oslo accord. Let’s not pretend Israel respected the Accords, the same Israel that expanded settlements in the West Bank, killed the two-state solution, and continues to violate every agreement they signed when it suits them. You're defending a state that demands everyone else follow rules while breaking them with zero consequences.
So before you call anyone a hypocrite, check your own position. You're not defending peace bro. You’re defending apartheid, starvation, displacement, and occupation then blaming the victims for resisting. That’s not justice, that’s propaganda with lies and deflections.

You're trying to paint a picture of pure Israeli aggression and pure Palestinian victimhood, and the reality is far more complex and dangerous than that.

First, let's talk about this your claim that Israel's control of Gaza is an act of "domination." This isn't a policy that appeared out of nowhere. It's a direct response to a clear and present danger. Before Hamas took over in a bloody coup in 2007, there were 10,000-20,000 Gazans crossing into Israel for work every day. The severe blockade you call a siege was implemented after Hamas violently seized power, executed their Fatah rivals, and began launching thousands of rockets at Israeli towns. What you call a siege is a security quarantine of a territory run by a designated terrorist organization whose official charter calls for the annihilation of Israel. If a narco-state or terrorist group took over Ontario, Canada and started shelling Detroit, USA, you’d see a border policy that would make Israel’s look like a welcome mat. The blockade is a direct consequence of Hamas's actions, not the cause of the conflict.

You try to downplay Egypt's role, but it's a critical piece of the puzzle you're conveniently ignoring. Why does Egypt maintain its own strict blockade on its border with Gaza? Because Egypt's government also views Hamas (an offshoot of their nemesis and another terrorist group, the Muslim Brotherhood) as a major terrorist threat to their national security. Are they also "occupiers"? Or are they being rational actors in the face of a hostile regime? You single out Israel because it fits your narrative, while ignoring that Gaza's other neighbor also wants nothing to do with an open border with Hamas.

Now, let's talk about aid and tunnels. Your claim that international aid doesn't touch Hamas is naive at best. Hamas was the government of Gaza. They controlled the ministries. They controlled distribution. There is overwhelming evidence, including from Hamas leaders themselves, that they diverted massive amounts of resources, like concrete and metal, away from civilian infrastructure to build their terror tunnel network. Mousa Abu Marzouk, a Hamas official, stated it plainly: the tunnels were built to protect Hamas fighters, and it was the UN's responsibility to protect civilians. When a hospital's power goes out because fuel was stolen by Hamas to ventilate tunnels, that is not Israel's fault. When a school can't be rebuilt because the concrete was used for an underground bunker, that is not Israel's fault. To blame Israel for bombing a hospital that Hamas has turned into a command center and weapons depot is to blame the firefighter for breaking a window to save the people inside a burning house. Hamas made these civilian sites legitimate military targets by militarizing them. That is the war crime.

Your outrage over the Nazi comparison is misplaced. No one is saying October 7th is quantitatively the same as the Holocaust. The point, which is 100% accurate, is about intent. The Nazi goal was the extermination of the Jewish people. Read the 1988 Hamas Charter. It quotes Islamic scripture to call for the killing of Jews. It's not about land; it's about annihilation. The genocidal intent is identical. The only difference is capability. To ignore this ideological foundation is to fundamentally misunderstand the conflict.

And your point on the 2005 disengagement is a stunning reversal of history. Israel didn't just remove settlers, It unilaterally and forcibly uprooted over 8,000 of its own citizens from their homes, farms, and synagogues in a painful gamble for peace. The idea was to give Gaza full autonomy. What did Israel get in return? A terror state. Instead of building a peaceful society, Hamas turned Gaza into a fortress and a launchpad for attacks. The fenced cage you described was built in response to the terror that poured out of Gaza the moment Israel left. Israel gave them the keys, and they immediately used them to build a war machine.

Finally, the Oslo Accords. You blame Israel for their failure while conveniently forgetting the Second Intifada. Between 2000 and 2005, Palestinian terror groups launched a campaign of suicide bombings that killed over 1,000 Israeli civilians in buses, pizzerias, and nightclubs. This wasn't resistance; it was mass murder of civilians, and it shattered the Israeli public's belief in a Palestinian partner for peace. Yasir Arafat walked away from the 2000 Camp David Summit, where he was offered a state with 97% of the West Bank and a capital in East Jerusalem. He chose to respond with a terror war instead.

So no, I'm not defending apartheid or starvation. I'm defending a democracy's right to exist and protect its citizens from a neighboring regime that is openly and proudly committed to its destruction. You're not defending the victims. You're defending a narrative that absolves a terrorist group of all agency and blames the victim of its aggression for having the audacity to fight back. That's not justice; it's a dangerous fantasy.

Unbiased1:
You're trying to paint a picture of pure Israeli aggression and pure Palestinian victimhood, and the reality is far more complex and dangerous than that.

First, let's talk about this your claim that Israel's control of Gaza is an act of "domination." This isn't a policy that appeared out of nowhere. It's a direct response to a clear and present danger. Before Hamas took over in a bloody coup in 2007, there were 10,000-20,000 Gazans crossing into Israel for work every day. The severe blockade you call a siege was implemented after Hamas violently seized power, executed their Fatah rivals, and began launching thousands of rockets at Israeli towns. What you call a siege is a security quarantine of a territory run by a designated terrorist organization whose official charter calls for the annihilation of Israel. If a narco-state or terrorist group took over Ontario, Canada and started shelling Detroit, USA, you’d see a border policy that would make Israel’s look like a welcome mat. The blockade is a direct consequence of Hamas's actions, not the cause of the conflict.

You try to downplay Egypt's role, but it's a critical piece of the puzzle you're conveniently ignoring. Why does Egypt maintain its own strict blockade on its border with Gaza? Because Egypt's government also views Hamas (an offshoot of their nemesis and another terrorist group, the Muslim Brotherhood) as a major terrorist threat to their national security. Are they also "occupiers"? Or are they being rational actors in the face of a hostile regime? You single out Israel because it fits your narrative, while ignoring that Gaza's other neighbor also wants nothing to do with an open border with Hamas.

Now, let's talk about aid and tunnels. Your claim that international aid doesn't touch Hamas is naive at best. Hamas was the government of Gaza. They controlled the ministries. They controlled distribution. There is overwhelming evidence, including from Hamas leaders themselves, that they diverted massive amounts of resources, like concrete and metal, away from civilian infrastructure to build their terror tunnel network. Mousa Abu Marzouk, a Hamas official, stated it plainly: the tunnels were built to protect Hamas fighters, and it was the UN's responsibility to protect civilians. When a hospital's power goes out because fuel was stolen by Hamas to ventilate tunnels, that is not Israel's fault. When a school can't be rebuilt because the concrete was used for an underground bunker, that is not Israel's fault. To blame Israel for bombing a hospital that Hamas has turned into a command center and weapons depot is to blame the firefighter for breaking a window to save the people inside a burning house. Hamas made these civilian sites legitimate military targets by militarizing them. That is the war crime.

Your outrage over the Nazi comparison is misplaced. No one is saying October 7th is quantitatively the same as the Holocaust. The point, which is 100% accurate, is about intent. The Nazi goal was the extermination of the Jewish people. Read the 1988 Hamas Charter. It quotes Islamic scripture to call for the killing of Jews. It's not about land; it's about annihilation. The genocidal intent is identical. The only difference is capability. To ignore this ideological foundation is to fundamentally misunderstand the conflict.

And your point on the 2005 disengagement is a stunning reversal of history. Israel didn't just remove settlers, It unilaterally and forcibly uprooted over 8,000 of its own citizens from their homes, farms, and synagogues in a painful gamble for peace. The idea was to give Gaza full autonomy. What did Israel get in return? A terror state. Instead of building a peaceful society, Hamas turned Gaza into a fortress and a launchpad for attacks. The fenced cage you described was built in response to the terror that poured out of Gaza the moment Israel left. Israel gave them the keys, and they immediately used them to build a war machine.

Finally, the Oslo Accords. You blame Israel for their failure while conveniently forgetting the Second Intifada. Between 2000 and 2005, Palestinian terror groups launched a campaign of suicide bombings that killed over 1,000 Israeli civilians in buses, pizzerias, and nightclubs. This wasn't resistance; it was mass murder of civilians, and it shattered the Israeli public's belief in a Palestinian partner for peace. Yasir Arafat walked away from the 2000 Camp David Summit, where he was offered a state with 97% of the West Bank and a capital in East Jerusalem. He chose to respond with a terror war instead.

So no, I'm not defending apartheid or starvation. I'm defending a democracy's right to exist and protect its citizens from a neighboring regime that is openly and proudly committed to its destruction. You're not defending the victims. You're defending a narrative that absolves a terrorist group of all agency and blames the victim of its aggression for having the audacity to fight back. That's not justice; it's a dangerous fantasy.

You parrot the old propaganda script like the war only started in 2007, ignoring decades of dispossession, occupation, and apartheid that preceded Hamas. I said before that you should dig deeper in history, investigate the root cause, ask the "What", "Who", "When", "Where" and "Why" questions. Gaza wasn’t turned into a prison because of Hamas. Hamas rose from the ashes of Israeli brutality, endless checkpoints, bulldozed homes, and the utter failure of diplomacy.

You frame Israel as the victim defending itself from a "terror state" but no amount of concrete used in tunnels justifies white phosphorus in refugee camps or siege-induced starvation. You talk about October 7 like it happened in a vacuum, but you treat Biafra’s starvation as “just war,” parroting British colonial lies, showing exactly why your moral compass is broken and your worldview colonized.

Now the mask is slipping. France and Britain who are both Israel's oldest apologists are now flirting with recognition of a Palestinian state, because the world sees what you refuse to. Your Israel-worshipping rhetoric might earn applause in echo chambers, but it’s crumbling under the weight of global disgust. You’re not defending justice, you're defending a regime that kills journalists, bombs children, and calls it self-defense.

The only dangerous fantasy here is pretending that endless occupation, military domination, and apartheid will lead to peace. It won’t. France and Britain now knows that. They actually knew it all this while but again agenda must agend as usual, just that the agenda is under the scrutiny of the world and they're now making a U-turn, standing on the right side of history for a change. Maybe you need to look from that lens too, or continue cheerleading.

CaseSensitive:
Honestly, I stopped taking you seriously the moment you downplayed the Biafra war. Any Nigerian parroting “it wasn’t genocide” while thousands of children starved on global TV either has selective memory or is too intellectually colonized to face hard truths. The UK backed that war military and financially, not for unity or justice, but for oil and geopolitical leverage. Same playbook they support in the Middle East today which is to back whoever serves their interests, civilians be damned.

So forgive me if I don’t buy your moral outrage over Hamas rockets when your own history is soaked in silent complicity. Gaza was already a strangled, walled-off ghetto before Oct 7. The siege, the blockades, the “calorie calculation” Israel didn’t just respond, they engineered misery.

You say Jewish refugees built a state, yes, with full Western backing and billions in aid. Palestinians? They got dispossession, refugee camps, and bombs for breakfast.

Until you reckon with your own history and stop regurgitating propaganda like it’s gospel, spare us the lectures on morality and peace deals. You sound less like a concerned observer and more like someone cheering from the sidelines because they think being colonized made them wise.

You talk about Gaza being a "ghetto" before October 7th. Let's not rewrite history. The blockade and the walls exist for one reason: to stop the suicide bombers, the sniper attacks, and the thousands of rockets that were fired into Israel from Gaza long before this current war. You mention the "calorie calculation." This is a classic piece of propaganda. It wasn't a plan to starve people. It was an internal security assessment to determine the minimum amount of food needed to flow into Gaza to prevent a humanitarian crisis while maintaining a blockade against a hostile terror regime. Israel has, for years, facilitated the entry of hundreds of trucks of food, medicine, and goods into Gaza daily, even while being attacked from it. The misery in Gaza was engineered by one group: Hamas, which chose to invest in terror tunnels and rockets instead of hospitals and schools.

And please, spare me the lecture on Jewish refugees versus Palestinian refugees. You conveniently forget the nearly one million Jewish refugees who were violently expelled from Arab and Muslim countries across the Middle East after 1948. They were forced to leave behind their homes, businesses, and millennia of history. Where did they go? Most went to a tiny, nascent state of Israel with no resources. Israel absorbed them, integrated them, and they helped build a nation.

What happened to the Palestinian refugees? They were, by and large, deliberately kept in refugee camps by their Arab brothers, used as political pawns and a perpetual weapon against Israel for 75 years. One group was told to build a future. The other was told to cling to a grievance. Don't blame Israel for that cynical and cruel decision by the surrounding Arab states.

You say the Jews built a state with Western money? Is it not the same Western money that is been used to build, feed and clothe the Palestinians? Western countries are the largest donors to those forever-refugees called Palestinians. No wonder they take it for granted and continue to start wars. If the Palestinians are left to suffer the full consequences of the war they started and get to work tirelessly to rebuild Gaza, they will understand that starting a new war is a bad idea that could ruin all they've worked for.

You accuse me of being "intellectually colonized." The real colonized mind is the one that sees the world in a simple cartoon of Western oppressors and noble brown-skinned resistance, even when that resistance is a theocratic death cult that oppresses its own people and preaches genocide.

CaseSensitive:
You parrot the old propaganda script like the war only started in 2007, ignoring decades of dispossession, occupation, and apartheid that preceded Hamas. I said before that you should dig deeper in history, investigate the root cause, ask the "What", "Who", "When", "Where" and "Why" questions. Gaza wasn’t turned into a prison because of Hamas. Hamas rose from the ashes of Israeli brutality, endless checkpoints, bulldozed homes, and the utter failure of diplomacy.

You frame Israel as the victim defending itself from a "terror state" but no amount of concrete used in tunnels justifies white phosphorus in refugee camps or siege-induced starvation. You talk about October 7 like it happened in a vacuum, but you treat Biafra’s starvation as “just war,” parroting British colonial lies, showing exactly why your moral compass is broken and your worldview colonized.

Now the mask is slipping. France and Britain who are both Israel's oldest apologists are now flirting with recognition of a Palestinian state, because the world sees what you refuse to. Your Israel-worshipping rhetoric might earn applause in echo chambers, but it’s crumbling under the weight of global disgust. You’re not defending justice, you're defending a regime that kills journalists, bombs children, and calls it self-defense.

The only dangerous fantasy here is pretending that endless occupation, military domination, and apartheid will lead to peace. It won’t. France and Britain now knows that. They actually knew it all this while but again agenda must agend as usual, just that the agenda is under the scrutiny of the world and they're now making a U-turn, standing on the right side of history for a change. Maybe you need to look from that lens too, or continue cheerleading.

You claim the conflict didn't start in 2007, and you're right. It started much earlier, with the Arab rejection of a Jewish state in 1948 and subsequent wars launched against Israel. The so-called 'occupation' began in 1967 as a defensive measure after Arab nations attacked Israel. To call Israel an 'apartheid' state is simply false, ignoring the full rights and representation of Israeli Arabs.

You say Hamas rose from the ashes of Israeli brutality, but Hamas is a terrorist organization explicitly committed to Israel's destruction. They seized control of Gaza in a violent coup, and the subsequent blockade is a necessary security measure to prevent them from building their terror infrastructure and launching attacks against Israeli civilians. They use concrete not for their people, but for terror tunnels.

You want to talk about October 7th not happening in a vacuum? I recognize that war has tragic consequences, but I also see the blatant hypocrisy in how different conflicts are judged, especially when it comes to Israel. The UN's silence on Biafra compared to its swift accusations against Israel speaks volumes about political agendas, not genuine concern for human rights.

And regarding global disgust or France and Britain flirting with recognition, international diplomacy is complex, and many nations understand Israel's inherent right to self-defense. No amount of international posturing changes the fact that Israel faces an existential threat from groups like Hamas.

The dangerous fantasy isn't defending Israel's right to exist; it's pretending that peace can be achieved when one side remains committed to violence and refuses to recognize the other's right to security. Until there's a Palestinian leadership willing to genuinely negotiate and abandon terrorism, Israel will continue to defend its citizens, as any sovereign nation would.

Sellfish:
Lmao


But they were quick to accept a ceasefire on Iran, as Dem see say Iran dey return the wotowoto fire for fire


When the strong chokes the strong, peace must come hell or high water...but when the strong are choking the weak, the strong can choose to abandon peace anytime, as is the case with Israel and Gaza

The accept ceasefire with Iran bc all their objectives are met no need to fight again they just show Iran that they are more superior & intelligent,Iran accept a cease fire bc Israel can turn Tehran to Gaza & kill Khomeini & to avoid further embarrassment.

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aloma007:
No sir, your opinion seems like a sponsored propaganda. Would you ever agree to such? I understand that there could be a bought version of Hamas but the negotiation is openly debatable. How could you expect Hamas to concede signing documents declaring Gaza and the entire West bank shall remain territories under Israel as main status quo ? Its why the mainstream media turned the story

Sign which documents do They have a say if Israel control Gaza & west bank?

ledaman:
I have mentioned it severally on this platform, as long as there is no two state solution, it would be an illusion.
Do you expect the Jewish mediator to be fair in statement with Hamsa?
Hamas mentioned permanent ceasefire in stages and release of prisoners in stages also,
But they refused only temporary ceasefire
Then the war would continue .
And you expect them to accept such kangaroo plans!

Ask yourself do Hamas want a two states solution?is releasing hostages negotiable?

billyG:
Ask yourself do Hamas want a two states solution?is releasing hostages negotiable?

Kindly read their request with open mind, not based on sentiment

wanimo:
can you see how you have abandoned the topic of discussion to start talking about the rubbish you have been fed with by the leftists.

Hamas has a room in your head

You're already feeling antisemitic if I'm right? Must you tell me I am saying rubbish even if you don't give in to my opinion and must you say Hamas has a room in your dad's head cuz I'm sure you're young enough to be my son if I may be right? Learn to condone people without insulting anyone irrespective of diverse opinion. It is insultive and very unfortunate that you lots creates more religious tensions that could aggravate highest tensions. Start behaving like a peaceful fellow without hurting people cuz its one of the way forward to a peaceful coexistence

ledaman:
Kindly read their request with open mind, not based on sentiment

You can take a horse to the stream but can't force it to drink water.