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Dtruthspeaker:
Thank you. But you are the one who knows what things interest you.

https://www.nairaland.com/8281391/god-thing-first-there-always

https://www.nairaland.com/7790701/judaism-not-what-moses-gave
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Truth, now I understand why you had to warn me ahead. I'm not offended at all at your threads. Just see it as you having fun cos you can't really mean those things.

Dtruthspeaker:
I knew you will move post to Isaiah 45 as you have not asked yourself what is wrong in creating evil. Going by God's Laws, what thing will deal with evil if it is not evil itself! Is it a baby you would send to deal with Boko haram or is it a killer?



Like the op told you, you are saying God is unjust and bad because of your fallty thinking as proven by your words.

And you must think this way because you have not dug deep to understand God and His Ways

Stop clutching at straws bruh, where in my post did I mentioned that God is unjust and bad? I gave a scripture and you are here telling me that they are my words. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 pointed this clearly, written by Paul the Apostle (New T).

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Are those my words?

Salvation is not for all bruh, some people are just fulfilling the will of God in being bad because God knows they love unrighteousness and would never repent for any reason, no matter how you preach to them, they will never understand it because the WORD in itself is SPIRIT and cannot make any sense to a carnal mind..

Dtruthspeaker:
I knew you will move post to Isaiah 45 as you have not asked yourself what is wrong in creating evil. Going by God's Laws, what thing will deal with evil if it is not evil itself! Is it a baby you would send to deal with Boko haram or is it a killer?



Like the op told you, you are saying God is unjust and bad because of your fallty thinking as proven by your words.

And you must think this way because you have not dug deep to understand God and His Ways

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Are those my words?


Revelation 22:11-12

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.


^^^

Are you saying the above scripture is my word too?

MeetDx:
Stop clutching at straws bruh, where in my post did I mentioned that God is unjust and bad? I gave a scripture and you are here telling me that they are my words. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 pointed this clearly, written by Paul the Apostle (New T).

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Are those my words?

Salvation is not for all bruh, some people are just fulfilling the will of God in being bad because God knows they love unrighteousness and would never repent for any reason, no matter how you preach to them, they will never understand it because the WORD in itself is SPIRIT and cannot make any sense to a carnal mind..

So some are preordained to not be saved? And since that's the case, it's only natural to think they're programmed never to repent, to love unrighteousness, and to never understand the word of God so that the purpose of God to their damning be accomplished.

Only speaking from your position

Dtruthspeaker:
You people always think that foreknowledge only happens on one side whereas there is also foreknowledge that this people could have done His Will.

Eg do you not already foreknow that your child can fall exams? But on the other hand do you not already also know that that same child can and will pass it?

And in all of this people's activities do you not see them deciding to do as they have willed and purposed?

Like in David did you not hear him say "I set my heart to know thy Law?" That is he chose to set his heart..

Please stop letting all those predestination shi be logs in your eyes

I explained this in detail later. Predestined or not, human decisions have a role to play

HeadBoy9:
So some are preordained to not be saved? And since that's the case, it's only natural to think they're programmed never to repent, to love unrighteousness, and to never understand the word of God so that the purpose of God to their damning be accomplished.

Only speaking from your position

Exactly why

1 Corinthians 2:14

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the[b] Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,[/b] because they are spiritually discerned.

Because they are spiritually dead, the things of the spirit of God sounds foolish to them. That's why they don't study the WORD with an open mind to understand it but to criticize, point out errors where there none and make mockery of it. So why do you think God will not keep them in delusion that would eventually lead to damnation (Their own rewards)?

MeetDx:
Exactly why

1 Corinthians 2:14

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the[b] Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,[/b] because they are spiritually discerned.

Because they are spiritually dead, the things of the spirit of God sounds foolish to them. That's why they don't study the WORD with an open mind to understand it but to criticize, point out errors where there none and make mockery of it. So why do you think God will not keep them in delusion that would eventually lead to damnation (Their own rewards)?

Lol, chill my jigga. God didn't make zombies. He made man to be intelligent beings and the only way he reaches us is via our intelligence. Mind and will must be engaged for salvation to happen.

It's presumptuous of you to think you're more spiritual. Zeal without knowledge will still lead to error.

Paul spoke of people in this class in Romans 10 below

Romans 10:1-2 KJV
[1] Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. [2] For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

MeetDx:
Exactly why

1 Corinthians 2:14

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the[b] Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,[/b] because they are spiritually discerned.

Because they are spiritually dead, the things of the spirit of God sounds foolish to them. That's why they don't study the WORD with an open mind to understand it but to criticize, point out errors where there none and make mockery of it. So why do you think God will not keep them in delusion that would eventually lead to damnation (Their own rewards)?

Lol, chill my jigga. God didn't make zombies. He made man to be intelligent beings and the only way he reaches us is via our intelligence. Mind and will must be engaged for salvation to happen.

It's presumptuous of you to think you're more spiritual because someone disagrees with your point of view. Zeal without knowledge will still lead to error. You'd be surprised at how much you don't know and that you're a lightweight on the scale of spirituality.

Paul spoke of people in this class in Romans as shown below

Romans 10:1-2 KJV
[1] Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. [2] For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

Shalom

gammarays:
I explained this in detail later. Predestined or not, human decisions have a role to play

Ok

MeetDx:
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 p
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Revelation 22:11-12
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still:

Are those my words?

Are you saying the above scripture is my word too?

Did verse 10 of 2 Thessalonians 2: not tell you the cause?

"because they received not the love of the truth,

Which clearly means that they were given like this guy 👇🏾

Nnamdipapa:
Nope, I have never sinned and never believed in the concept of sin.

but they exercised their will of rejection and therefore we see God course as He did to Pharoah, King Saul, Isreal etc

Or do you pretend not to know that whenever you reject God, you get coursed?

MeetDx:
Stop clutching at straws bruh, where in my post did I mentioned that God is unjust and bad....

Is there any where, were Esau or king Saul say they reject God?

You implied it and both I and the op got it.

And you further prove it by saying "salvation is not for all bruh, some people are just fulfilling the will of God in being bad". Which means that you say God is not just.

Dtruthspeaker:
Did verse 10 of 2 Thessalonians 2: not tell you the cause?

"because they received not the love of the truth,

Which clearly means that they were given like this guy 👇🏾


but they exercised their will of rejection and therefore we see God course as He did to Pharoah, King Saul, Isreal etc

Or do you pretend not to know that whenever you reject God, you get coursed?

Your Bible is nothing but a mere Isreali story book consisting of myths and fables not meant to be taken literally. Take for example, there is no historical evidence the Jews were ever slaves in Egypt.

You have to come up with real evidence not mere Bible quotes if you want to be taken seriously

MeetDx:
Exactly why
1 Corinthians 2:14

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the[b] Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are [/b]spiritually discerned.

[b]Because they are spiritually dead, the things of the spirit of God sounds foolish to them..

For them to be spiritually dead means that they were spiritually living before.

And for them to be spiritually discerned means that they have a spirit.

And God gave every man a spirit, so you see your point is null.

Nnamdipapa:
Your Bible is nothing but a mere Isreali story book consisting of myths and fables not meant to be taken literally. Take for example, there is no historical evidence the Jews were ever slaves in Egypt.

You have to come up with real evidence not mere Bible quotes if you want to be taken seriously

You obviously never heard that Egypt only keeps good reports of itself, not to talk of the fact that the world put them in the very same place which you the bible said God had given them before.

Meanwhile, you are an example of the persons 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 is referring to

Anyway all this is a deviation from the thread

Dtruthspeaker:
Did verse 10 of 2 Thessalonians 2: not tell you the cause?

"because they received not the love of the truth,

Which clearly means that they were given like this guy 👇🏾


but they exercised their will of rejection and therefore we see God course as He did to Pharoah, King Saul, Isreal etc

Or do you pretend not to know that whenever you reject God, you get coursed?

Nice one. Love the technicality. Agree 💯 %

HeadBoy9:
Nice one. Love the technicality. Agree 💯 %

Every one who can read can see these things. And since God does not change therefore there is always a consistent pattern

Dtruthspeaker:
Did verse 10 of 2 Thessalonians 2: not tell you the cause?

"because they received not the love of the truth,

Which clearly means that they were given like this guy 👇🏾


but they exercised their will of rejection and therefore we see God course as He did to Pharoah, King Saul, Isreal etc

Or do you pretend not to know that whenever you reject God, you get coursed?

Are you trying to tell me that God doesn't know they will reject him before bringing them into the world. Remember Isaiah 46:10 says He declares the end from the beginning.

That's where I'm telling you that God brings everyone into this world for a purpose and in the end His purpose MUST be accomplished. He even said the same thing about King Cyrus; He said Cyrus didn't know him but He created him for a purpose...to let His people go and Cyrus obeyed. So why are trying to invalidate my post?

MeetDx:
Are you trying to tell me that God doesn't know they will reject him before bringing them into the world. Remember Isaiah 46:10 says He declares the end from the beginning...

Do you not already know that your child will fall or pass exams?

Does that knowledge not mean that you have a plan of action in response to either situation that occurs? Yes

So does your knowing stop your child from failing/passing the exams? No

Or/and does it affect your plans and response? No

So, your foreknowing only affects you and how you will respond to it. It does not affect your child's choice of failing or passing his exam or in this case Cyrus.

Because you see Cyrus obeyed and did His Will is why you conveniently forget all the others who disobeyed eg Moses,(whom you even see that God almost killed him when he refused going to Egypt even after God had taken the pains of convincing him to go.); Esau, King Saul all of whom God had a Plan on top of them, yet we see them exercise their will to disobey.

So, if you are right then it means all of them should have obeyed without deviation and hit God's purposes destiny since God has already destinyd it, as you say.

Yet, we see that they did not and the Bible shows how they exercise their free will.
And funny how your foreknowledge/destiny thing only applies to those who ended in a bad place as if destiny should not also make a person be good throughout.

Clearly your destiny get eye and dey partial. And God is not partial, as was done to Ananias so also was done to Sapphira

MeetDx:
The Lord decares the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:10), there is no such thing as "freewill". He created all things for His purpose and His counsel shall stand (Isaiah 45:7, Proverbs 16:4). Predestination, Election of Grace too - Ephesians 1:4, Exodus 7:3-4, 9:12)

Quite wrong.

Nnamdipapa:
Your Bible is nothing but a mere Isreali story book consisting of myths and fables not meant to be taken literally. Take for example, there is no historical evidence the Jews were ever slaves in Egypt. You have to come up with real evidence not mere Bible quotes if you want to be taken seriously

In as much as i respected you for your sincerity pardon me for saying you are wrong in this case.
The official religion of Egypt is Islam and their football team is called Pharaohs of Egypt.
If truthfully Israelites were never slaves in Egypt how come it's written in the Quran that Pharaoh was punished for trying to destroy God's people and that a man named "Moses" is the one leading God's people?
Do you think Egyptians would accept the religion that keeps such a record if truly Israelites were never slaves in Egypt?
The truth is that it's rare for people to keep such records first of all it means Egyptians were idol worshipers before Islam was brought to them so if they are against idolatry they are hypocrites secondly it means their ancestors and gods were all defeated by just One God who came from the wilderness to free thousands of slaves not with an army of youths but with just two feeble octogenarians: Moses and Aaron.
Surely they are confused but they just have to deny what actually happened!