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TenQ:
You desire a God that is LIKE objects in creation!

What is confusing with the Fact that God YHWH can be simultaneously independently in Heaven and Earth at the same time?

Is it confusing because NOTHING in creation can simultaneously be in two places at the same time?


I guess it was Paul that wrote this verse too!
LOL!!

Ohyoudidnt:
Well you should expantiate as Genesis 19:13 tells us that angels were the ones who destroyed Sodom, but then in 19:24, it says that the Lord Himself rained down fire.

What’s even more puzzling is the phrase that suggests the Lord rained from the Lord, which makes it sound like there are two Lords involved, leading to more confusion.

In verse 19:13, it mentions that the Lord sent the angels to destroy the city, while verse 19:24 states that the LORD rained brimstone and fire upon Sodom and Gomorrah from the LORD out of heaven.

These kinds of contradictions and vague wording can really lead to misunderstandings about who God is and what His role is in these events.

TenQ:
Let me ask you a basic question to test your comprehension

Who parted the Red Sea for the Children of Israel
1. Was it Moses?
2. Was it God?
Is this contradictory?

Whose words is the Qur'an
1. Is it Jibril's?
2. Is it Allah?
Is this contradictory?

So, how is it confusing for you that two angels are sent as emissary to Sodom and Gomorrah for it's destruction BUT God was the Power behind the Destruction?

TenQ:
You desire a God that is LIKE objects in creation!

What is confusing with the Fact that God YHWH can be simultaneously independently in Heaven and Earth at the same time?

Is it confusing because NOTHING in creation can simultaneously be in two places at the same time?


I guess it was Paul that wrote this verse too!
LOL!!

Can Taoheed allow Allah to be simultaneously in two places at the same time? Does the Taoheed allow Allah to be Somewhere and Everywhere at the same time?
It's a simple question o!

Gabrielshow24:
Don't get it wrong, there were two angels. Hence it's imperative for them to say such.🤨

Now, answer my question. Did Allah create Iphones? 👀
The part you also failed to acknowledge was that they escorted Lot—Just as Abraham asked should be done. While God did the destruction. Their act of escorting lot, sentenced Sodom to its destruction. A signal for God to perform his bidding.

Ohyoudidnt:
Allah is the ultimate source of everything. He may create through various means, like how humans come up with inventions such as iPhones, but at the end of the day, He is the true Creator behind it all.

When the angels declared, We will destroy this place,they were acting as messengers on God’s behalf, not as independent forces; the destruction ultimately came from Yahweh. This aligns with the Qur'an, which teaches that while Jibril conveyed Allah’s words, he did not originate them.

In a similar vein, when Moses parted the sea by raising his hand, it was God who truly split the waters. There’s no contradiction here; it’s all about divine action through chosen agents.

Allah is fundamentally different from creation. He isn’t a physical body, isn’t limited by space, and isn’t bound by time. Yet, His knowledge, power, and will are present and effective everywhere. So yes, Allah can act on earth while being above the heavens, without being in two places like a creature, because nothing compares to Him (Qur'an 42:11).

Therefore, it’s misguided to mock the role of agents like angels in God’s plans or to impose human limitations on how the Creator operates. The consistent message in both the Bible and the Qur’an is clear: God commands, angels execute, but only God holds the true power.

Gabrielshow24:
😂The bolded refutes the standard narratives.

You unwittingly refuted yourself on several fronts. 😂

Ohyoudidnt:
Allah is the ultimate source of everything. He may create through various means, like how humans come up with inventions such as iPhones, but at the end of the day, He is the true Creator behind it all.

When the angels declared, We will destroy this place,they were acting as messengers on God’s behalf, not as independent forces; the destruction ultimately came from Yahweh. This aligns with the Qur'an, which teaches that while Jibril conveyed Allah’s words, he did not originate them.

In a similar vein, when Moses parted the sea by raising his hand, it was God who truly split the waters. There’s no contradiction here; it’s all about divine action through chosen agents.

Allah is fundamentally different from creation. He isn’t a physical body, isn’t limited by space, and isn’t bound by time. Yet, His knowledge, power, and will are present and effective everywhere. So yes, Allah can act on earth while being above the heavens, without being in two places like a creature, because nothing compares to Him (Qur'an 42:11).

Therefore, it’s misguided to mock the role of agents like angels in God’s plans or to impose human limitations on how the Creator operates. The consistent message in both the Bible and the Qur’an is clear: God commands, angels execute, but only God holds the true power.

Ohyoudidnt:
Most definitely not.

Glad to show you that the creator and sustainer has all power. You are wrong to asset powers or abilities to God's creation while forgetting the source.

Steep:
sometimes a name in the Bible represents authority. The name in of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit means their authority.

TenQ:
It is good you answered your apparent initial confusion about who actually destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.

Now
Can Taoheed allow Allah to be simultaneously truely in two places at the same time? Does the Taoheed allow Allah to be Somewhere and Everywhere at the same time?

It is a Yes or No answer!
If your answer is Yes and knowing that Allah is NOT a Spirit, give explanation with EVIDENCES!

Ohyoudidnt:
Allah is the ultimate source of everything. He may create through various means, like how humans come up with inventions such as iPhones, but at the end of the day, He is the true Creator behind it all.

When the angels declared, We will destroy this place,they were acting as messengers on God’s behalf, not as independent forces; the destruction ultimately came from Yahweh. This aligns with the Qur'an, which teaches that while Jibril conveyed Allah’s words, he did not originate them.

In a similar vein, when Moses parted the sea by raising his hand, it was God who truly split the waters. There’s no contradiction here; it’s all about divine action through chosen agents.

Allah is fundamentally different from creation. He isn’t a physical body, isn’t limited by space, and isn’t bound by time. Yet, His knowledge, power, and will are present and effective everywhere. So yes, Allah can act on earth while being above the heavens, without being in two places like a creature, because nothing compares to Him (Qur'an 42:11).

Therefore, it’s misguided to mock the role of agents like angels in God’s plans or to impose human limitations on how the Creator operates. The consistent message in both the Bible and the Qur’an is clear: God commands, angels execute, but only God holds the true power.

Gabrielshow24:
😂 Probably, you should read your write-up again!
You unwittingly refuted yourself!😅

Let me exemplify a bit. First you admonish us not to downgrade the work of agents, in this case Angels for your own propaganda 🤨, but you commit the same in Isa. Secondly, you said we shouldn't limit God but the standard narratives limited God by asserting it was impossible for him to have a son without a wife.

I would have loved to go deeper and dissect your thesis and bring out more and more self-refutations but I think these two are sufficient for now. I will add others.

Also for the record, Allah didn't create Iphones! You can take it up with any intellectual. The same conclusion will be arrived upon.

Ohyoudidnt:
There indeed is your problem. Wanting to give relevance to another not the one who enabled.

Did the IPhone manufacturer also produce the material from which the phone was produced?

Who created the human and bestowed intellect and intelligence?

Small wonder you have this misunderstanding.

gohf:
"their authority" steep don't you used to say that they are all the same, that the son is the almighty? where you not trying to prove something that "they" are the same being because it is "the name"?

Steep:
sometimes a name in the Bible represents authority. The name in of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit means their authority.

Boomark:
I understand all these things and I know that Jesus is not the Father. There is no difference pronunciation if anyone is asked to pronounce "God and god."

My question is:

Is there anything wrong with writing this that, "Jesus is a God?"

In your own Bible ,did Jesus Christ agree with Psalms 82:6 @ John 10:34-36?
Yes.
Psalms 82:6= John 10:34-36
Jesus Christ is a god.
Nah Jesus talk so.
Case settled.

Steep:
what lie? When you said the God Almighty is not deity that is the implication.

Steep:
I didn't change anything,
("So if Jesus is given all power that means he is Almighty. Because only an Almighty being can wield all power."
.

Steep:
Jesus took up a servant role by himself. If a king decide to take up the role of a cleaner and live by the same rules a cleaner abide by does that mean he is not a king? Jesus took up a servants role to show us example and to fulfill the plan of salvation.

gohf:
"their authority" steep don't you used to say that they are all the same, that the son is the almighty? where you not trying to prove something that "they" are the same being because it is "the name"?

Boomark:
I understand all these things and I know that Jesus is not the Father. There is no difference pronunciation if anyone is asked to pronounce "God and god."

My question is:

Is there anything wrong with writing this that, "Jesus is a God?"

Janosky:
1 Corinthians11:3
"God is Supreme over Jesus Christ "

Your claim is not true.
1 Corinthians15:27
"Jesus Christ was not installed as king until after his death , resurrection & ascension.
1Corinthian 25:24-27 is in your bible nau .

Steep:
They are the same God but distinct persons. Having one name prove they are one in essence.

Steep:
Surbordination does not contradict equality in nature. For example you are subordinate to the president but yet equally human just as the president is a human.
Philippians actually tells us how Jesus became subordinate to the Father. Jesus by himself took on that role of a servant an obviously subordinate role and he was made a man.

Steep:
Since you have agreed that Jesus is same nature with the father but not the father himself, this is impressive, I am surprised at your progress, keep studying the Bible, God willing you may see obviously who Jesus truly is.

Steep:
If Jesus has same essence with the father, it means Jesus is exactly as the father is. Just as the father has the ability to do all things so does Jesus, Just as the father is without beginning and end so does Jesus so Jesus and the father are one in essence but distinct in personhood.

Steep:
As for believers being bestowed the fulness of God, it is not the same as having the fulness of his essence.

Steep:
God the father is Supreme over Jesus because of his humanity but however all creation is subject to Jesus such authority only belongs to God.


I don't know how this relate to anything. Jesus took a the position of a servant and he still remains God's servant it is a role in took up when he volunteered himself for the work of salvation.

Gabrielshow24:
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They just like to blame Paul, which by the way they affirm👀 as one of them. People caught on to their discrepancies hence the standard narrative of other books being corrupted. Till now, they haven't showed us one Jew that worshipped Ezra. 👀

Ohyoudidnt:
No need to as my answer is in my earlier response.


Allah is fundamentally different from creation. He isn’t a physical body, isn’t limited by space, and isn’t bound by time. Yet, His knowledge, power, and will are present and effective everywhere.

Allah is fundamentally different from creation. He isn’t a physical body, isn’t limited by space, and isn’t bound by time.

Yet, His knowledge, power, and will are present and effective everywhere. So yes, Allah can act on earth while being above the heavens, without being in two places like a creature, because nothing compares to Him (Qur'an 42:11).

Steep:
They are the same God but distinct persons. Having one name prove they are one in essence.

TenQ:
You did NOT answer my question
Can Taoheed allow Allah to be simultaneously truely in two places at the same time? Does the Taoheed allow Allah to be Somewhere and Everywhere at the same time?

You said:



But Allah has a Body
Allah indeed has hands (even if his hands are not like our hands)
Allah indeed has eyes (even if they are not like ours)
Allah indeed has a shin( even if it is different from ours)
In summary:
1. Allah has a shape
2. Allah is NOT a Spirit

If there is anything FALSE about any only claims, let me know

This shape of Allah sits on one throne that eight created goat like angels carry.

If Allah sits on created throne which is carried by created angels AND Allah is looking like created beings then Allah's nature would at best be like the nature of Angels and Jinn!





I didn't ask if Allah can ACT on earth while in Heaven. I asked if it was possible that
Allah to be simultaneously truely in two places at the same time? Does the Taoheed allow Allah to be Somewhere and Everywhere at the same time?
You did NOT answer my question sir. You answered about acting remotely not direct presence!


Please, with evidence!

Ohyoudidnt:
Allah has beautiful names and attributes, like hearing, sight, hand, and mercy. These are mentioned in the Qur’an and Sunnah, but none of them are like anything in creation. Allah is not a body, has no shape, and isn’t limited by space or time. He is above His Throne, so that suits His majesty (Qur’an 20:5). Still, His knowledge, power, will, and commands include everything, even though He isn’t physically inside creation (Qur’an 57:4). This balance shows we affirm His greatness without likening Him to anything human, and acknowledge His transcendence without denying His existence. Allah is above the Throne. The Qur’an describes how The Most Merciful rose over the Throne (Qur’an 20:5). He is exalted above creation, not part of it. Nothing is like Him. There is nothing comparable to Him, and He is all-hearing and all-seeing (Qur’an 42:11). His attributes are unique and do not resemble human body parts. And no matter where you are, He is with you (Qur’an 57:4). His knowledge and power are everywhere, but His essence isn’t limited to space. He knows everything – He is all-knowing (Qur’an 2:282). Knowledge surrounds all places, but His presence isn’t bodily. Some of His attributes like hand, eye, and shin are mentioned in the Qur’an (Qur’an 38:75, 20:39, 68:42). We affirm these without asking how, and without making them like human parts, or denying their reality. Imam Malik explained that when it comes to His rising (istiwa), we believe in it, accept that we don’t understand how, and avoid questioning it as an innovation. Belief is essential, and asking details about it is not correct.

Ohyoudidnt:
No need to as my answer is in my earlier response.


Allah is fundamentally different from creation. He isn’t a physical body, isn’t limited by space, and isn’t bound by time. Yet, His knowledge, power, and will are present and effective everywhere.

TenQ:
I agree that these are the things you wish to believe about your Allah BUT

Your prophet disagrees with you as Allah has at least a shape.

Sahih al-Bukhari 6573
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Some people said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He said, "Do you crowd and squeeze each other on looking at the sun when it is not hidden by clouds?" They replied, "No, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)." He said, "Do you crowd and squeeze each other on looking at the moon when it is full and not hidden by clouds?" They replied, No, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)!" He said, "So you will see Him (your Lord) on the Day of Resurrection...


Do you deny that:
Whatever can be SEEN has a shape?
Your prophet says that you will SEE Allah!


Continuing with the same hadith

Sahih al-Bukhari 6573
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Some people said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?"
.......
similarly Allah will gather all the people and say, 'Whoever used to worship anything should follow that thing. 'So, he who used to worship the sun, will follow it, and he who used to worship the moon will follow it, and he who used to worship false deities will follow them; and then only this nation (i.e., Muslims) will remain, including their hypocrites. Allah will come to them in a shape other than they know and will say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'We seek refuge with Allah from you. This is our place; (we will not follow you) till our Lord comes to us, and when our Lord comes to us, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to then in a shape they know and will say, "I am your Lord.' They will say, '(No doubt) You are our Lord,' and they will follow Him. .....


Do you deny that your prophet said that Allah will come to you Muslims in SHAPES?

Two Eyes (as the Dajjal has only one eye
One shin
Two right hands
Even Allah will put his FOOT over hell fire and it would scream.. enough.. enough!


Sahih al-Bukhari 6573
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Some people said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" .....
.' Then Allah will turn his face away from the Fire. The man will say after that, 'O Lord, bring me near the gate of Paradise.' Allah will say (to him),....

Do you deny that Allah will turn his FACE away from the fire of Hell?

Because, Allah has a Face. His face is only different from our face.


Sahih al-Bukhari 6573
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Some people said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?"....

O Lord! Do not make me the most wretched of Your creation,' and will keep on invoking Allah till Allah will smile and when Allah will smile because of him, then He will allow him to enter Paradise, and when he will enter Paradise, he will be addressed, 'Wish from so-and-so.' He will wish till all his wishes will be fulfilled, then Allah will say, All this (i.e. what you have wished for) and as much again therewith are for you.' " Abu Huraira added: That man will be the last of the people of Paradise to enter (Paradise).


Do you deny that Allah smiles?

Smiling is a human attribute isn't it? Let me know of any other creature in heaven and non earth that smiles other than humans and probably the Jinn.

From what I know, smiling is a FACIAL expression involving the physical mouth.

Your prophet who knows Allah better that any Muslim seems to know that Allah looks very much like the Dajjal EXCEPT that, Allah has TWO eyes while the Dajjal has only one eyes: he this warms you not to be confused about the Dajjal when you see him


Mishkat al-Masabih 5485
`Ubada b. as-Samit reported God's messenger as saying, "I have told you so much about the dajjal that I am afraid you may not understand. The antichrist is short, hen-toed[*], woolly-haired, one-eyed, an eye sightless and neither protruding nor deep-seated. If you are confused about him, know that your Lord is not one-eyed."
*It may also mean 'bandy-legged.


So, you see:
A wish and the Truth may be very different!
Allah has a shape and he is NOT a spirit.
Don't forget that the Jinn also has bodies and they are not spirits (according to Islam: they are made of smokeless fire)