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budaatum:
https://youtube.com/shorts/7nKdkNR3rLo?si=j_4YrUDWD4iEbIWl

bemeruca:
This guy is embarrassing.

https://fxtwitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1950236096341676348

Israel must agree to a ceasefire or we will recognize Palestine come this September. We will not recognize the state of Palestine if Israel agrees to a ceasefire.

Hamas to disarm? 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

Ibime, see prime minister na. Hahahaha

Israel ceasefire, then hamas disarm all buy just words.
Lmao

Ibime:
He said the right thing

Hamas to release hostages and play no part in Government by September as well

If they don't do their part, no recognition

He has covered UK back and put the responsibility back on them

bemeruca:
How is it the right thing?

*acknowledges terror bad*
*blames Israel for humanitarian crisis that is actually terrorists fault*
*makes demands on Israel with specific conditions*
*makes demands on Hamas without specific conditions*

Hamas: “We refuse to enter a ceasefire!”

Keir Starmer: “If Israel does not agree to a ceasefire, we will give Hamas a state.”



So what will happen when Hamas does not lay down their arms? September is just around the corner. Will. He still recognize the state of Palestine? That man is a bee ish

He is desperate for jihadist votes in the UK.

cococandy:
When MTG has to be the voice of reason.
MGT? You know it’s worse than terrible.

Ibime:
Go and watch his statement again, don't take someone else's interpretation

He was clear no Hamas in Government and a release of all hostages and Palestine will be recognised

A good way to put pressure on both sides. Trump will soon follow him up, they are acting same script

On the 7th of October 2023, Hamas perpetrated the worst massacre in
Israel's history.
Every day since then, the horror has continued. The hostages
are still being held today. The Palestinian people have endured terrible
suffering. Now in Gaza, because of a catastrophic
failure of aid, we see starving babies, children too weak to stand, images that
will stay with us for a lifetime. The suffering must end. Yesterday I
discussed this with President Trump and we're mounting a major effort to get humanitarian supplies back in by air and
UK aid has been air dropped into Gaza today and crucially by land.

We need to see at least 500 trucks entering Gaza every day.
But ultimately the only way to bring this humanitarian crisis to an end is
through a long-term settlement. So we are supporting the US, Egyptian
and Qatari efforts to secure a vital ceasefire.

That ceasefire must be sustainable and it must lead to a wider peace plan which
we're developing with our international partners. This plan will deliver security and
proper governance in Gaza and pave the way for negotiations on a two-state
solution. Our goal remains a safe and secure
Israel alongside a viable and sovereign Palestinian state.
But right now, that goal is under pressure like never before.
I've always said that we will recognize a Palestinian state as a contribution to
a proper peace process at the moment of maximum impact for the two-state
solution. With that solution now under threat, this is the moment to act. So today, as
part of this process towards peace, I can confirm the UK will recognize the
state of Palestine by the United Nations General Assembly in September
unless the Israeli government takes substantive steps to end the appalling
situation in Gaza, agree to a ceasefire, and commit to a long-term sustainable
peace, reviving the prospect of a two-state solution. And this includes allowing the UN to
restart the supply of aid and making clear that there will be no annexations in the West Bank.
Meanwhile, our message to the terrorists of Hamas is unchanged and unequivocal.
They must immediately release all of the hostages, sign up to a ceasefire,
disarm, and accept that they will play no part in the government of Gaza.
and we'll make an assessment in September on how far the parties have met these steps. But no one should have
a veto over our decision.

bemeruca:
There is no stated consequence for Hamas’s noncompliance. You should watch the video.
Also, two things can be true at once.

LordAdam16:
English is not hard.
Ibime is correct.

Starmer weaseled out with a conditional recognition.

-Lord

Ibime:
A good way to put pressure on both sides. Trump will soon follow him up, they are acting same script

BREAKING: President Trump on whether or not a Palestinian state should be established.

"If you do that, you really are rewarding Hamas — and I'm not about to do that."

pic.twitter.com/shm9KCHCrh

— Eyal Yakoby (@EYakoby) July 30, 2025

bemeruca:
Ibime is not correct.

If Israel does not agree to a ceasefire, Palestine will be recognized
If Israel agrees to a ceasefire, Palestine will not be recognized
We will recognize the state of Palestine... unless the Israeli government takes substantive steps...

If Hamas agrees to a ceasefire and disarms, will Palestine be recognized?

Does that make sense?

the statement demands that Hamas disarm, release hostages, and accept no role in Gaza’s governance but not explicitly tie these actions to the recognition decision, unlike Israel’s conditions.

...we'll make an assessment in September on how far the parties have met these steps

LordAdam16:
.

That is the "tie" to recognition.

-Lord

bemeruca:

we'll make an assessment in September on how far the parties have met these steps

If Israel takes this step, Palestine will not be recognized as a state.

Should Hamas disarm and release all hostages to not gain statehood?

You see how stupid Keir Starmer is?

He is hoping Israel does not take this step so he can point his fingers at Israel while he says he tried his best.

LordAdam16:
His announcement is straightforward.

Israel has a choice to satisfy or disregard the set conditions.

In September, Number 10 will conduct a compliance assessment.

-Lord

cococandy:
When MTG has to be the voice of reason.
MGT? You know it’s worse than terrible.

raumdeuter:
Trump's latest position

BREAKING: President Trump on whether or not a Palestinian state should be established.

"If you do that, you really are rewarding Hamas — and I'm not about to do that."

pic.twitter.com/shm9KCHCrh

— Eyal Yakoby (@EYakoby) July 30, 2025

Like a week ago, the American delegation to the ceasefire walked away saying Hamas was not serious about a ceasefire and not trying to release hostages

feedthenation:
---The most useful of the idiots can be found on Truth Social---

LordAdam16:
His announcement is straightforward.

Israel has a choice to satisfy or disregard the set conditions.

In September, Number 10 will conduct a compliance assessment.

-Lord

bayelsaowei:


They'll believe anything..including eating the dogs and cats etc..

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United States, once a global champion of democracy and human rights, joins the first 2025 watchlist along with Democratic Republic of Congo, Italy, Pakistan, and Serbia

raumdeuter:
Trump's latest position

BREAKING: President Trump on whether or not a Palestinian state should be established.

"If you do that, you really are rewarding Hamas — and I'm not about to do that."

pic.twitter.com/shm9KCHCrh

— Eyal Yakoby (@EYakoby) July 30, 2025

Like a week ago, the American delegation to the ceasefire walked away saying Hamas was not serious about a ceasefire and not trying to release hostages

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world

budaatum:
The Chinese are eating the tariffs!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PH0CJ0FNhM?si=GDuB7XKawNdeycoI

Ibime:
Read the below. He is on board with Saudi leading

2 state solution, end of Hamas and release of all the hostages

Everyone that matters in agreement

https://www.nairaland.com/8486630/saudi-france-issue-joint-un

IjeBos:
Ahh, so France and the UK aren't terrorist supporters?
And everyone shouting that what Israel was doing was evil and inhumane like me was right and people defending it like you were wrong?
Own up to it.

So will Israel release all the Palestinian hostages prisoners they have?
How about getting rid of the Netanyahu government that is attacking Palestinians in the West bank and bombing/destroying Christian churches?

It's odd, Palestinians kill 1,000 Israelis, it's terrorism,
Israelis' kill 100,000 Palestinians and starve children, it's what?

You seem overly focused on one side of this, but won't call out the other, why is that?
When you get to a place when you can call out both sides, you'll know you don't have a bias where you see Palestinians as less then just like the bias Colonialists used to decimate Africa.

Ibime:
Stop making noise Felicia

They all recognise Israels right to defend itself and did not call it genocide like you did, big difference

They are playing the script which is 2 state solution on current borders, disarming and removing of Hamas and return of hostages. Perfectly in line with my assessment of the situation

Henceforth, if any Palestinian Govt should commit a terror attack on Israelis, it will be seen as a war between two states and you will have no more reason to cry