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SeriouslySense:
After that corona virus thing, I did not want to stay outside, it taught me some lessons, although i was able to dodge their unclear vaccine mandates, but what about next time, then the war between Ukriane and Russia began, I noticed some things, that nowhere is really safe, and anything can happen anywhere, and I am glad i left. I cannot advise anyone to come back to Nigeria, because if you do not have income, you are are in trouble.

Then the attitudes of people is worse, banks are terrible, my God, you can spend a whole day in the bank. No wonder crimminality is on the increase, because people have gotten worse in mindset.

Anyway i dont really bother about mindset, because its not up to me.

At least i am in my elements in Nigeria, free and relaxed.


Today trump moved the bombers to Russia, and I am relaxed, with no care Then the Uk has changes in Immgration policies, and i am not bothered. If any war began, I am not worried that much and if another mandates and sudden changes occur, I wont be bothered. Its this little things that encouraged me to run back home.

nlparrot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw-wCGGo-zo?si=tV9R_8kbKl1Tv25B

Nigerians abroad will soon start running home…

That’s the bold statement from veteran journalist Jimi Disu — and it’s turning heads.

According to him, the high cost of living, emotional stress, and tough working conditions overseas are making many Nigerians rethink their choices.

Disu believes that with rising opportunities and innovation back home, many will return — not out of failure, but out of realization.

His words? “It’s not all rosy abroad.”

Do you agree? Is home truly calling?

Let us know in the comments.

Source: Instablog9ja @IG

CoronaVirusPro:
You still face same harsh reality irrespective of how you legalized. It’s still same system.

Working like a clock in a system where you a minority and the pay doesn’t even correspond to expenses.

The good old days of abroad are gone. Now, you earn moderately to pay your bills, and even when you pick extra jobs, at the expense of your time, sanity and relationship with your family.

Abroad will keep you on your toes till you die. Even in death, you still need good money to hit the grave, and after death, probation courts starts hunting your assets.

That life only amuses JJC’s and newbies. When they run same pattern for a decade, they start rethinking knowing it’s not life.

The harsh reality of abroad will only start hitting you after an average of 10 years. Initially, you find it fun, that time you be converting dollars to Naira thinking you doing fine. Overtime, harsh reality sets in automatically.

nlparrot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw-wCGGo-zo?si=tV9R_8kbKl1Tv25B

Nigerians abroad will soon start running home…

That’s the bold statement from veteran journalist Jimi Disu — and it’s turning heads.

According to him, the high cost of living, emotional stress, and tough working conditions overseas are making many Nigerians rethink their choices.

Disu believes that with rising opportunities and innovation back home, many will return — not out of failure, but out of realization.

His words? “It’s not all rosy abroad.”

Do you agree? Is home truly calling?

Let us know in the comments.

Source: Instablog9ja @IG

nlparrot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw-wCGGo-zo?si=tV9R_8kbKl1Tv25B

Nigerians abroad will soon start running home…

That’s the bold statement from veteran journalist Jimi Disu — and it’s turning heads.

According to him, the high cost of living, emotional stress, and tough working conditions overseas are making many Nigerians rethink their choices.

Disu believes that with rising opportunities and innovation back home, many will return — not out of failure, but out of realization.

His words? “It’s not all rosy abroad.”

Do you agree? Is home truly calling?

Let us know in the comments.

Source: Instablog9ja @IG

Originalsly:
I don't agree with many returning because of opportunities in Nigeria....but for the rest....I agree with him. Note .. he made it a point that he knows both sides ... most of us commenting know only one side and fantasize about the other. Then we go by what's been happening in the past...but he based his opinion on the reforms that are taking place ... some reforms that used to be termed communist ... never happens in a democracy. Use Trump to try to understand the kinds of changes and reforms that are taking place. Since when a US President can behave like a dictator ...firing people at will etc? Things have changed ..drastically. in the US ...fear of ICE. Why wouldn't Nigerians return?...not all ...but mainly those who are likely to be picked up by ICE ...and the real fear is to be sent and imprisoned in a third country...Southern Sudan or worse ...El Salvador? What I can say about the UK ... with their reforms ...I will bet the first set of returnees will be those in nursing....the ones who were recruited. They got the rug pulled from under them .....not all ..m but most. Time will tell.

This is the height of summer ....when the streets are usually filled with people...day and night...people be outside hanging out...sitting on the stoops ...children in the streets...but look at this ....basically empty ... fear of ICE....people locked up indoors...like COVID 19 lockdown. Many have left ...this I know.

Gerrard59:
This is largely a skill and sociable issue. Nigerians in the US don't experience these issues. Old age reach, enter Texas and Atlanta. Costa Rica and other retiree countries are close by. Nigerians who have resided for a decade in developed countries would find it difficult adjusting to life in Nigeria. Everything would be so different.

79733139:
I am way more bothered about Boko Haram, bandits, fulani herdsmen, kidnappers and armed robbers ,which have actually killed thousands of Nigerians, than the outbreak of a nuclear war between the United States and Russia, those two agbaya countries have been threatening themselves before I WAS BORN, when Russia was still USSR.

cococandy:
I usually hate how people respond to posts like this because they’ll just assume it’s show off and refuse to take the message in it. So here goes nothing

But I visited Nigeria last month with my family and over the course of 14 days I spent several several MILLIONS (I won’t even state the number to avoid unnecessary analysis) just to have the BASIC standard of living we’re used to. It wasn’t luxury at all in my opinion.

So I’m imagining how someone who’s not earning 1 million only country that charges the US dollar equivalent of items without the income of its citizens matching those prices.

Gerrard59:
I'm genuinely curious, apart from ensuring constant power supply, what took most of the money?

chinedu234:
Mr Disu may have a point. But he needs to expose his statistics and source. We know that talking from the head without research just depicts arrogance.

Gerrard59:
I'm genuinely curious, apart from ensuring constant power supply, what took most of the money?

cococandy:
Power supply big one but genuinely it was everything. There wasn’t any single thing that wasn’t priced in the thousands. It’s like that a thousand is the beginning point of pricing. Like why?

I’ll use bread for example; 3-5k (1-4 dollars )for a loaf of bread. That is exactly how much bread costs in America.
Are we importing materials to make bread?

There were some simple items I didn’t take back with me to avoid unnecessary luggage with the hope of buying them at home. I was disappointed. A poor quality towel runs around 20k naira at ShopRite and the likes. I can get a set of 5 hotel quality towels at Costco for that price.

Simple chicken pizza for my kids 17k (12-13 dollars). Why? That’s more than what pizza costs in the USA.
Every single thing was in the thousands. Where I wan begin? Fast food, restaurants or cooking at home everything was expensive.

Why are average Nigerians paying more or equivalent to American prices while living in an economy that doesn’t give them same purchasing power?

GloriousGbola:
My guy came in for a funeral. Funeral is outside lagos. I was not sure I would be able to meet up with him later so I met with him at Marriott hotel ikeja. One night with room service my guy spent like 750k


And he was clear that this cost was like maybe a third over what he paid at Marriott hotel mexico

And a lot of people are kind of paranoid about hanging with family if family is not also loaded.

One of my colleagues lost his mil like that. Robbers came to the house for dollars. So someone in the family or house obviously leaked the info.

GloriousGbola:
If you have good earning power and people abroad it is almost always cheaper to buy your stuff from abroad. And you are sure of the quality

This is actually how people make money from 'importing'. Bringing in low quality goods in bulk and selling at hefty markups.

cococandy:
We got a suite at Radisson Blu V.I for around 800k ($530) a night. On getting there very late , they upgraded us to their “presidential suite” at 1.5 million per night. It was an upgrade so of course we didn’t pay the full 1.5

The “presidential” bathrooms had crusty edges. The towels had seen better day. The carpets didn’t seem to have been changed since it was built. You can tell it was originally built to be luxurious but the maintenance was not kept up at all. I wondered what the 800k room would have been like. And this was the case for two other places we stayed.

Black Diamond Hotel in VI.
They charged us 2 million naira for 3 nights (two suites) and I had to call them to physically remove one of the couches in one of our suites due to the smell. stains and cigarette burn marks

I’ve never in all my travels paid hotels that offered so little for the prices they charged.

It’s like they Google what American companies charge and slap those prices on their products and services without offering same standards or quality.

This was the same for the other services I encountered. Almost like they are on the internet researching what Americans pay for goods and services so they can charge Nigerians the same.

Lagos continental hotel VI somewhat lived up to the expectation but the downside is that you can’t comfortably come out and walk around the area without being confronted with wide open dark gutters with heavy stench. And that was supposed to be the good area 😰

cococandy:
That’s what my cousin’s wife said. €200 buys you a full cart in Germany. She was shocked when she came to visit. They bought a trunkful of food and had change left from €200. But when I was in Nigeria, a few plastic bags of food at ShopRite and I was paying over 150k naira each time.

I was seeing soaps that you can get for one dollar at the dollar store being sold for 6-9k at ShopRite. I usually don’t like to do conversion mathematics but I was shocked because I kept thinking “how are people surviving”?

GloriousGbola:
abeg avoid radisson blu ooo

https://www.nairaland.com/6840199/near-death-experience-radisson-blu-hotel

since the SA owners pulled out, shoprite is now quite simply grossly overpriced

there is almost nothing worth buying there if you have a mental checklist of prices across stores.

however , you will only know this if you are a skinflint peeny pincher

as you were coming in for a week you would have gone there straight. i suspect it is americanas who are still keeping the place in business

cococandy:



What are some better options besides open market. Thanks

GloriousGbola:
My guy came in for a funeral. Funeral is outside lagos. I was not sure I would be able to meet up with him later so I met with him at Marriott hotel ikeja. One night with room service my guy spent like 750k. And he was clear that this cost was like maybe a third over what he paid at Marriott hotel mexico. And a lot of people are kind of paranoid about hanging with family if family is not also loaded.

One of my colleagues lost his mil like that. Robbers came to the house for dollars. So someone in the family or house obviously leaked the info.

cococandy:
We got a suite at Radisson Blu V.I for around 800k ($530) a night. On getting there very late , they upgraded us to their “presidential suite” at 1.5 million per night. It was an upgrade so of course we didn’t pay the full 1.5

The “presidential” bathrooms had crusty edges. The towels had seen better day. The carpets didn’t seem to have been changed since it was built. You can tell it was originally built to be luxurious but the maintenance was not kept up at all. I wondered what the 800k room would have been like. And this was the case for two other places we stayed. Black Diamond Hotel in VI. They charged us 2 million naira for 3 nights (two suites) and I had to call them to physically remove one of the couches in one of our suites due to the smell. stains and cigarette burn marks. I’ve never in all my travels paid hotels that offered so little for the prices they charged.

It’s like they Google what American companies charge and slap those prices on their products and services without offering same standards or quality.This was the same for the other services I encountered. Almost like they are on the internet researching what Americans pay for goods and services so they can charge Nigerians the same. Lagos continental hotel VI somewhat lived up to the expectation but the downside is that you can’t comfortably come out and walk around the area without being confronted with wide open dark gutters with heavy stench. And that was supposed to be the good area 😰

IbeOkehie:
In another discussion, you made some points that made me realize that it's Nigerians living in non-Anglo countries that are MOST LIKELY to return to Nigeria. On the "social" topic, we discussed here - https://www.nairaland.com/8466482/want-japa-budget-20m-need/5#135998521

The notion of retirement to Nigeria is funny to me. It's not comporting to the reality I observe. Last Sunday, just last week, I got a call out of the blue from a secondary school mate. I attended an FGC, this person is from a high and mighty political family in Nigeria. We last spoke about 20 years ago, he was an upwardly mobile guy in the INVESTMENT banking industry in Nigeria, his company owns one of the top mutual funds. He retired near the top of his company, I guess he took early retirement.

He has moved to the USA and lives here permanently, in fact he's been living here since 2020. As I've related here, I know MANY other wealthy or well to do or upper middle class Nigerians who have done the same. My wife, her ENTIRE TEAM at the oil producing company where she worked in Nigeria have moved abroad over the last 10 years to USA, Canada, UK....including their SECRETARY. Many of these people got parting bonuses ranging from ₦150 million and up, ordinary engineers and such. And they left the country.

In my small city here, I know personally TWO retired Directors of oil producing companies from Nigeria who live here. One of Dora Akunyili's Deputy Directors when she was at NAFDAC retired and now lives in my town and attends my family church. Another secondary school mate lives in this same USA with his father who was a CBN governor. One of President Shagari's Special Advisers or Special Assistant retired to Texas and lived there till he died a few years ago, his son was also my classmate and we socialized a bit when I lived in Houston. I know of a real estate magnate in Nigeria who moved with his ENTIRE FAMILY, including grandchildren, to this same town I live in. One can only imagine the influx into major metros like Houston, NYC, Washington DC, Chicago, Dallas, Miami...[b] and then UK the mother country!!! Does anyone believe President Buhari retired to his home in Daura? Hmmmm? [/b]

By the way, there was a mass return of Nigerians from the diaspora in the 1970s Oil Boom. Most made a whole hearted and permanent return, with no foreign passports or Green Cards. How did it go for them? Nigeria has an experience in this matter that anyone who cares can look into and glean information that can be used to make wise decisions today. It's interesting that it's RARE to find any commentary on that return, there's data but no one cares to do the research. Just like there's plenty of resources but the country is still the Poverty Capital of the World.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

Gerrard59:
Pardon my curiosity, was this visit during December and early January? If yes, the prices are fair. This is not to condone the ill-maintenance.

cococandy:
no it was just last month. I heard during the holidays when the IJGBs come back, the prices are even steeper.

That’s crazy too that we’ve normalized this but during the holidays, prices are cheaper in other countries. Sales upon sales to attract customers. Christmas sales, Thanksgiving sales, Black Friday sales, Easter sales, Labor Day sales, Fourth of July sales. Every company rushing to outdo the rest in sales.

In our country we see it as a time to hike prices

Gerrard59:
To be fair to Marriott and others, operating a hote,l especially of Marriott status is very expensive in Nigeria. The multiple taxes, high import duties on products, and the big one - providing almost every infrastructure needed to ensure optimal performance. I deliberately did not include salaries, especially of senior expats who were transferred from elsewhere.

However, demand exceeds supply, which is why an extension is being built beside the current building, and another Marriott (whether it is the same Franchise owner, I don't know) is being built in Abuja. So, notwithstanding the room cost, market is booming.

Gerrard59:

I'm genuinely curious, apart from ensuring constant power supply, what took most of the money?

Gerrard59:
Honestly, I wonder why so many of our elites and upper middle class citizens decide to reside abroad in their later ages. It calls for deep research and questioning. It is very odd for such to happen.