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Bkelly2:
😂....you are funny. So all these na stories to you.. Alright o.

We were not there. Talking about things that didn't happen in front of you like it did is simply telling stories and if you insist it is true, you're making yourself a liar.

Michelle70:
Na wetin deh tire me about christians.
God planted a fruit in thesame place he put man.
The man ate the fruit and now he is blaming me that he will forgive me for something he did

God does not blame man. He gave man choices to make. After creation, which of course the tree of life was included, made man to be the ruler of the earth. He gave man control of all the earth and His creation. Thereby giving man the choice to choose from his will. God never interfered in Man's decision making process. It was Satan who was suppose to be the angel to serve man that came to tempt man because satan was jealous of what man has and the dominion over the earth. Man decided to hand over that dominion to Satan by making a wrong decision to go against God's instructions.

SocialJustice:
We were not there. Talking about things that didn't happen in front of you like it did is simply telling stories and if you insist it is true, you're making yourself a liar.

😂 I understand the point you are coming from. You are a realist who look at things from facts but you failed to know that a book was written by those who where there through God's inspiration. That book is called the Bible. A book that contains facts and truths. Just like you read books to gain knowledge and wisdom while going to school to become learned, that is exactly what the Bible does to us. So it is from the Bible we got these stories like you mentioned and there reasonable findings , scripts to buttress the stories from the Bible. Also remember that the old testament in the Bible was originally written in Hebrews and certified true copies of this is still very much available, preserved and kept safely. It is from it that the translation to English was made. So since I am educated and I read books, this Bible also made me to realize that there is a supreme being who made what we see today- the heavens and the earth to be the way they are- real to me. The air you breath in came from somewhere, that supernatural power that made air is real and He is God. So therefore, I do not need to be present when all these things that happened during the time of creation to
believe it. They are not stories. Jesus Christ who is God that came out from God the father has redeemed us from the mistake Adam made in time of creation. So we no longer dwell in that era anymore. Your focus should be on Jesus Christ now and you need to allow him come to you. Trust me, you will love it.

MaxInDHouse:
Both heaven and hell exist but they meant totally different things from what most religionists think.
Heaven is the above of God and His spirit sons (angels) so flesh and blood can't go there which means it's not a place where humans can live those who are going there must be transformed into spirit beings.
Hell simply means the land of the dead where there is no activity.
It's as simple as that!

A religious man says such words to himself so that he can indulge in sin and not have to suffer the consequences....

To everything done by man,there is a revenue.

Bkelly2:
God does not blame man. He gave man choices to make. After creation, which of course the tree of life was included, made man to be the ruler of the earth. He gave man control of all the earth and His creation. Thereby giving man the choice to choose from his will. God never interfered in Man's decision making process. It was Satan who was suppose to be the angel to serve man that came to tempt man because satan was jealous of what man has and the dominion over the earth. Man decided to hand over that dominion to Satan by making a wrong decision to go against God's instructions.

True, Satan tempted man and God who is supposed to be omini present was not there when Satan was tempting man.
An omini scient God came down and started asking man if he ate from the fruit, as ominiscient, he already knows Adam will eat of the fruit
Ur omini present God came down in the evening and start pretending he was looking for man.

God and Satan set man up.

Bkelly2:
😂 I understand the point you are coming from. You are a realist who look at things from facts but you failed to know that a book was written by those who where there through God's inspiration. That book is called the Bible. A book that contains facts and truths. Just like you read books to gain knowledge and wisdom while going to school to become learned, that is exactly what the Bible does to us. So it is from the Bible we got these stories like you mentioned and there reasonable findings , scripts to buttress the stories from the Bible. Also remember that the old testament in the Bible was originally written in Hebrews and certified true copies of this is still very much available, preserved and kept safely. It is from it that the translation to English was made. So since I am educated and I read books, this Bible also made me to realize that there is a supreme being who made what we see today- the heavens and the earth to be the way they are- real to me. The air you breath in came from somewhere, that supernatural power that made air is real and He is God. So therefore, I do not need to be present when all these things that happened during the time of creation to
believe it. They are not stories. Jesus Christ who is God that came out from God the father has redeemed us from the mistake Adam made in time of creation. So we no longer dwell in that era anymore. Your focus should be on Jesus Christ now and you need to allow him come to you. Trust me, you will love it.

What is the meaning of God's inspiration? I am not arguing the reality of God, I have a fair relationship outside Christianity with God.

I am telling you the Bible is garbage. The Bible was compiled and translated by POLITICIANS. Most Christians don't even know this. Do you think those politicians were different from what we have now?

Before the white man came with their God, our ancestors had understanding of God.

SocialJustice:
What is the meaning of God's inspiration? I am not arguing the reality of God, I have a fair relationship outside Christianity with God.

I am telling you the Bible is garbage. The Bible was compiled and translated by POLITICIANS. Most Christians don't even know this. Do you think those politicians were different from what we have now?

Before the white man came with their God, our ancestors had understanding of God.

You have a fair relationship with the unknown God🤔. God is a concept term, anyone can fit in. Thus, your conceptualization of God will be different from others along with its identity. So far, we are beginning to see you indeed have a fair👀 relationship with God!

Also, the bible wasn't compiled by politicians. That's a misrepresentation and misinformation. As for your people, they indeed have a fair conceptualization of God in the same way that Greek island of old had a fair idea of the "unknown God". This understanding was vague, fair and polytheistic in nature 🤨. It rendered us in the dark ages with nothing of interest spawning from said fair relationship unlike the curious inquiry the lawful Christian God promoted in his children which birthed most of what you see right now!

By fruits, your fair traditionalists are nothing to right home about. Endless sacrifices, taking up the old burden of the fair Jews!

Gabrielshow24:
You have a fair relationship with the unknown God🤔. God is a concept term, anyone can fit in. Thus, your conceptualization of God will be different from others along with its identity. So far, we are beginning to see you indeed have a fair👀 relationship with God!

Also, the bible wasn't compiled by politicians. That's a misrepresentation and misinformation. As for your people, they indeed have a fair conceptualization of God in the same way that Greek island of old had a fair idea of the "unknown God". This understanding was vague, fair and polytheistic in nature 🤨. It rendered us in the dark ages with nothing of interest spawning from said fair relationship unlike the curious inquiry the lawful Christian God promoted in his children which birthed most of what you see right now!

By fruits, your fair traditionalists are nothing to right home about. Endless sacrifices, taking up the old burden of the fair Jews!

This discussion only massages the ego. Stick to your God, I'll stick to mine but take it easy on the stories.

ogascomax:
Hell like you said means grave but it's not a literal grave but it's a place for the dead. But in hell lies hell fire where sinners are tormented. When Jesus died the Bible recount that he went to hell and he preached to the people in hell.
We also know about the victory of Christ in the grave(hell).
So he'll is not a physical grace.
Ps 16:10
New Living Translation
For you will not leave my soul among the dead or allow your holy one to rot in the grave.
So your body might be in the grave whether it was buried or not. Grave is not necessary digging somewhere and putting someone inside six feet. Even those who aren't buried spiritually they are in grave and if they are righteous God will raise them up on the last day.

Misleading brothers

Because who the Abrahamic religions claims to be God isn't the creator of the universes, they only invoked a name to protect their religious dogmas. How would creator of universes regreted in genesis chapter 6 verse 6?

bixton:
A religious man says such words to himself so that he can indulge in sin and not have to suffer the consequences....
To everything done by man,there is a revenue.

So it's threat that scares you?
Well true worshipers of our heavenly Father love Him {John 17:3} that's why we keep His orders not due to the fear of threat.

MaxInDHouse:
So it's threat that scares you?
Well true worshipers of our heavenly Father love Him {John 17:3} that's why we keep His orders not due to the fear of threat.

The true worshippers of God through His Son Christ Jesus not just only obey but they don't water down His every Word to suit their heart desires and lustings.

bixton:
The true worshippers of God through His Son Christ Jesus not just only obey but they don't water down His every Word to suit their heart desires and lustings.

Did God ever tell Adam that he would burn in hell fire?

bixton:
The true worshippers of God through His Son Christ Jesus not just only obey but they don't water down His every Word to suit their heart desires and lustings.

We make sure of all things! 1Thessalonians 5:21
So try to make a thorough research on the things you heard and read not just swallowing what people told you!

Michael547:
Did God ever tell Adam that he would burn in hell fire?

He is just confused!

Imagine saying people OBEY God yet they are LUSTING.

How does lust and obedience to God goes together?

Michael547:
Did God ever tell Adam that he would burn in hell fire?

The Holy Bible is One complete book.


Rev.21.8 - But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."


Matt.25.46 - And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."


2Thess.1.8 - in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Thess.1.9 - These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

bixton:
The Holy Bible is One complete book.


Rev.21.8 - But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."


Matt.25.46 - And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."


2Thess.1.8 - in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Thess.1.9 - These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

Did God ever tell Adam that he would burn in hell fire? Yes or no sir?

MaxInDHouse:
We make sure of all things! 1Thessalonians 5:21
So try to make a thorough research on the things you heard and read not just swallowing what people told you!

I am not the one people told. You are the one people told.

Do you have the below in your own Bible..... please post from yours let me see....

These are all from the NKJV.....

Rev.21.8 - But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."


Matt.25.46 - And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."


2Thess.1.8 - in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Thess.1.9 - These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,




Post here what's written and you've been reading from your own JW Bible....

Michael547:
Did God ever tell Adam that he would burn in hell fire? Yes or no sir?

Really....
Is this a question from the book you read or you're deflecting intentional to lead astray to your own ideologies planted inside you...

bixton:
Really....
Is this a question from the book you read or you're deflecting intentional to lead astray to your own ideologies planted inside you...

So you Agree God never told Adam that he would go to hell fire?

bixton:
I am not the one people told. You are the one people told.

Do you have the below in your own Bible..... please post from yours let me see....

These are all from the NKJV.....

Rev.21.8 - But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."


Matt.25.46 - And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."


2Thess.1.8 - in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Thess.1.9 - These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,




Post here what's written and you've been reading from your own JW Bible....

In Revelation 20:14, why was Hell and death thrown into the lake of fire?

bixton:
I am not the one people told. You are the one people told.
Do you have the below in your own Bible..... please post from yours let me see....
These are all from the NKJV.....
Rev.21.8 - But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
Q to pMatt.25.46 - And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

But as for the cowards and those without faith and those who are disgusting in their filth and murderers and the sexually immoral and those practicing spiritism and idolaters and all the liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This means the second death.”

bixton:
2Thess.1.8 - in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus

bixton:
2Thess.1.9 - These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
Post here what's written and you've been reading from your own JW Bible....

These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength,

This simply means it's exactly what they told you that you're pouring out because all these verses mean Second Death or Death that doesn't open any chance of resurrection God said burning living people has never crossed His heart! Jeremiah 7:31

MaxInDHouse:
But as for the cowards and those without faith and those who are disgusting in their filth and murderers and the sexually immoral and those practicing spiritism and idolaters and all the liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This means the second death.”



in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus




These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength,

This simply means it's exactly what they told you that you're pouring out because all these verses mean Second Death or Death that doesn't open any chance of resurrection God said burning living people has never crossed His heart! Jeremiah 7:31

Her 7:31 talks about sacrifice to a strange god which those who are of Israel practicing such and making it look like it was Abba Father who told them.

Michael547:
In Revelation 20:14, why was Hell and death thrown into the lake of fire?

You have to tell me, why..... I hope you can.



Rev.20.13 - The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
Rev.20.14 - Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev.20.15 - And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.




The book of Revelation ended in Chapter 22.....

Rev.22.14 - Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
Rev.22.15 - But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.



Please what does the "outside" mean in the verse above of Rev 22:15.....
Thanks.

bixton:
Her 7:31 talks about sacrifice to a strange god which those who are of Israel practicing such and making it look like it was Abba Father who told them.

That's not my point God said such a thing like roasting people alive has never crossed His heart.
So think over that because God didn't tell Adam that sin will lead him to Hellfire rather what God told Adam is Death! Genesis 2:17
So if Adam who knew God one on one as the first and foremost sinner died on what ground do humans who never knew God at all to be roasted in fire forever?
Please try to make it make sense!

bixton:
Rev.20.13 - The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
Rev.20.14 - Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev.20.15 - And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.


You have to tell me, why..... I hope you can.

Second Death means things that will no longer exist forever.
Death, Grave (Hell) and wicked people who have killed their conscience will no longer exist forever.
That's what it means!

You people only keep notes of what they told you in one gotta so as to mimick it each time you want to argue but when you come across a real believer who used thought provoking questions to prove you wrong the next thing is claiming such a person is hiding sin whereas it's because you don't know what to quote again.

God said people whose names are not found written in the book of life.
Do you know where God told us how our names could enter into the book of life?
Surely you can't even know it because from what you are quoting it's all written in your gotta as your pastors quoted it in their books!

MaxInDHouse:
That's not my point God said such a thing like roasting people alive has never crossed His heart.
So think over that because God didn't tell Adam that sin will lead him to Hellfire rather what God told Adam is Death! Genesis 2:17
So if Adam who knew God one on one as the first and foremost sinner died on what ground do humans who never knew God at all to be roasted in fire forever?
Please try to make it make sense!

Your point has to allign with what His WORD says and the message therein.


Interpretation of verses can't stand alone if you don't take what is before and after into consideration for its true context, otherwise you're speak heresy and if care is not taken, one will likely blaspheme.

bixton:
Your point has to allign with what His WORD says and the message therein.

Interpretation of verses can't stand alone if you don't take what is before and after into consideration for its true context, otherwise you're speak heresy and if care is not taken, one will likely blaspheme.

I love the highlighted!

Oya let's not take quotes out of context.

What did God say will happen to Adam and Eve if they sin?

MaxInDHouse:
Second Death means things that will no longer exist forever.
Death, Grave (Hell) and wicked people who have killed their conscience will no longer exist forever.
That's what it means!

You people only keep notes of what they told you in one gotta so as to mimick it each time you want to argue but when you come across a real believer who used thought provoking questions to prove you wrong the next thing is claiming such a person is hiding sin whereas it's because you don't know what to quote again.

God said people whose names are not found written in the book of life.
Do you know where God told us how our names could enter into the book of life?
Surely you can't even know it because from what you are quoting it's all written in your gotta as your pastors quoted it in their books!

Please kindly tell me.....just post it as it's written in your own Bible. Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
I love the highlighted!

Oya let's not take quotes out of context.

What did God say will happen to Adam and Eve if they sin?

I will enjoy your deflecting though.....


They will surely die....... That's what God told them....


Please what does God mean in that statement.....?

I will still enjoy your deflecting.

bixton:
Please kindly tell me.....just post it as it's written in your own Bible. Thanks.

You said:

bixton:
Interpretation of verses can't stand alone if you don't take what is before and after into consideration for its true context, otherwise you're speak heresy and if care is not taken, one will likely blaspheme.

So try to obey your own rule!

bixton:
I will enjoy your deflecting though.....
They will surely die....... That's what God told them....
Please what does God mean in that statement.....?
I will still enjoy your deflecting.

God created them from the dust, they were nowhere before God created them and gave them the opportunity to be alive so they will return to oblivion that's what God said.
Do you have a contrary meaning?