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CanadaOrBust:
To answer your question I will go out on a limb and take a wild guess: because man cannot be God and still be man. The two are mutually exclusive!!!!!

Not a bad answer at all.
And how do you know what God can and cannot do?

Gabrielshow24:
Well, you didn't enunciate it properly for him. The way you put it created a contradiction because you earlier claimed, "God could not beget" 🤔, which is more in line with our cousins' view. Jesus is the only begotten of the Father as he is the only one through the action of the Holy Spirit to come forth from the womb of the woman without earthly donation on the man's part.

He is eternal and uncreated because several verses emphasize this, he himself said this. If we are to go by simple logic since he predates time then he can not be created🤔, since creation also connotes time.

This is the way to make them see it. Like two sides of a coin but yet all encapsulated by the coin itself. There are always several views but the best is always the complete view. You, yourself, are also guilty of this as you believe your choices are illusory—partial view. Hence He is a universal set that encapsulates all these things and doesn't cause any contradiction whatsoever!

Deepsight does this answer your question?
But he was the only begotten Son of God even before his mother was born. Right?

FreeIgboho:
This is NOT true at all. Sooner or later they ALL get their comeuppance, publicly or privately, directly or indirectly.


Folks please forgive us but we have an important question. Please, we'll present the scenario then ask the question.

Here's the scenario:
*Various prophets foretold that GOD was coming to visit earth in the OT
* A mighty prophet (so mighty they thought he was Elijah or that prophet promised by God) came and said his entire mission was to prepare the way for that Person and that he was not fit to even untie his shoes.
* A Person then came and met all the conditions of birth and ancestry prophesied and was worshipped at birth by some discerning wise men with great spiritual insight, the Magi.
* He said himself he was the long-awaited God, the Son of God, and did things and conducted himself in a way that supports that.
* He was the only person Israelites ever tried to stone to death for saying he was God
* His closest friends and companions who dealt with him and knew him personally believed he was God
* For 2000+ he has been worshipped as, and interchangeably with, "jealous" God, and far from being punished by "jealous" God, his worshippers have been abundantly blessed and their numbers exploded and always increasing.
*Over those 2000+ years he has been worshipped by some very special people including people with great spiritual insights, various annointed ones, and saints.
*He is ALIVE and ACTIVE in people's lives TODAY and various people have testified to interacting with him including in dreams and near-death experiences.

Our question is:
CAN YOU BELIEVE SOME PEOPLE TODAY STILL DOUBT HE IS DIVINE??!!
They know better than people who knew him PERSONALLY! All based on their understanding of some words someone said that someone said that someone said that he might have said. Same words 300 bishops examined in totality and unanimously concluded he was divine!
If you can even remotely believe that please tell us on what basis you can believe such!


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You said various prophets.
please can you give us two prophets who prophesied that God would impregnate another mans wife to sire a son and why GOD Needs a son all of a sudden.
then tell us which prophet prophesied that the said son was coming as a human sacrifice to god as God was not accepting mans sincere repentance just as he said in 2nd chronicles 7;14.
remember God said he does nothing without first revealing it to his servant the prophet see Amos 3:7

FreeIgboho:
Not a bad answer at all.
And how do you know what God can and cannot do?

GOD is the creator, he cant be part of creation. does not make sense. the creator and the creation are OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS.



just like Africa cant be part of Nigeria.....


not possible

DeepSight:
For a Christian, I find it remarkable that you can repeatedly attempt to tell a lie. You know very well you made that statement "hybrid" and not I, and yet you persist. Do you think repeating a lie one million times will make it true?

Nope, your assertions did! I am just recalling it to the feeble mind🤨. Once again, you can't change it dear. It's there for all to see. Hybrid 🤦🏾‍♂️

It's a categorization error on your part 😅.

Gabrielshow24:
Nope, your assertions did! I am just recalling it to the feeble mind🤨. Once again, you can't change it dear. It's there for all to see. Hybrid 🤦🏾‍♂️

It's a categorization error on your part 😅.

I don't even believe that Jesus is anything divine. I see him as a man period.

So keep both your errors and your desperate lies to yourself.

sonmvayina:
GOD is the creator, he cant be part of creation. does not make sense. the creator and the creation are OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS.

he cant be part of Nigeria.

just like Africa cant be part of Nigeria.....


not possible

Simple!

Rather they will twist themselves into knots desperate to assert that their fellow man is their creator.

sonmvayina:
GOD is the creator, he cant be part of creation. does not make sense. the creator and the creation are OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS.

he cant be part of Nigeria.

just like Africa cant be part of Nigeria.....


not possible

And HOW do you know all this?
Why couldn't God have done as Paul wrote in Philippians 2 (and we have to presume that Paul knows better than you!)

6Who, being in very nature a God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

7rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

8And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross!

FreeIgboho:
And HOW do you know all this?
Why couldn't God have done as Paul wrote in Philippians 2 (and we have to presume that Paul knows better than you!)

6Who, being in very nature a God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

7rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

8And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross!

the entire so called new testament is deception.
the purpose is to deceive you.

look at the Tanakh for proper theology.
think for your self

sonmvayina:
the entire so called new testament is deception.
the purpose is to deceive you.

look at the Tanakh for proper theology.
think for your self

Deceive me for what purpose?? The Miqra or Tanakh is full of references to Jesus and his divinity so how can you believe one and not believe the other?

FreeIgboho:
Not a bad answer at all.
And how do you know what God can and cannot do?

You don't have to know what God can or cannot do. All you have to know is impossibility. To be all-knowing and not be all-knowing at same time is impossibility!!!!!

CanadaOrBust:
You don't have to know what God can or cannot do. All you have to know is impossibility. To be all-knowing and not be all-knowing at same time is impossibility!!!!!

But God can be localized in heaven and be everywhere at same time. Wehdone

FreeIgboho:
Deceive me for what purpose?? The Miqra or Tanakh is full of references to Jesus and his divinity so how can you believe one and not believe the other?

Please provide the references.

I am waiting.

Please . I really want to see them

God has already provided everything we need in the Torah. I dont understand the purpose of the new theology the Romans fostered on the world.

Please provide the references....I asked you to in my previous post, you ignored it.


Hope it is not that Isaiah 7:14, because it is about a war that will soon happen. The sign was for king Ahaz to assure him his kingdom will still stand.
Or Isaiah 9:6 which is about future king Hezekiah. The child was already given/born when Isaiah was writing it. He is going to be a king in the future,meaning he was already a prince now (first son of king Ahaz).
Or Isaiah 53 which is about a different servant . And 8 times prior to Isaiah 53, Isaiah told you who the servant is....... isreal/ jacob

FreeIgboho:
But God can be localized in heaven and be everywhere at same time. Wehdone

God is the universal divine consciousness....not a man or human being. See Numbers 23:19

FreeIgboho:
But God can be localized in heaven and be everywhere at same time. Wehdone

Let us assume that Jesus actually existed.

How is he different from you?
When man is Body made of dust + God's spirit or breath(which is same image and likeness as God) and the body is same image and likeness as earth.

DeepSight:
Simple!

Rather they will twist themselves into knots desperate to assert that their fellow man is their creator.

If only your God wasn't omnipotent 😅 and immaterial 👌.

Another wisdom bit from the Elder.

CanadaOrBust:
You don't have to know what God can or cannot do. All you have to know is impossibility. To be all-knowing and not be all-knowing at same time is impossibility!!!!!

Well, you have said well but you have failed to take into consideration the hypostasis or union of different sets. In a universal set of shapes, both circles and squares can coexist! —They don't contradict.

FreeIgboho:
Not a bad answer at all.
And how do you know what God can and cannot do?

Why dont you attempt this question yourself.
Because the truth is simple: you want to declare that God can be a man.
So, following your own question: how do you also know that?

Gabrielshow24:
WIn a universal set of shapes, both circles and squares can coexist! —They don't contradict.

Co-existing is one thing. A square being a circle is an entirely different cup of tea.

sonmvayina:
Let us assume that Jesus actually existed.

How is he different from you?
When man is Body made of dust + God's spirit or breath(which is same image and likeness as God) and the body is same image and likeness as earth.

Patrick is looking more dazzling you are certainly a star!

Well, that's why he is Fully man👀 and Fully God and not some hybrid. He is no different to us for He spoke; He ate, He drank, He hungered, He thirsted, He went to the rest room👀 etc.

So yes, He had characteristics of both! —Divine and temporal! Also, He has been historically proven to have existed!

DeepSight:
Co-existing is one thing. A square being a circle is an entirely different cup of tea.

That's why his omnipotence translate to such universal set. He can become what he intends, and he won't contradict himself.

Gabrielshow24:
That's why his omnipotence translate to such universal set. He can become what he intends, and he won't contradict himself.

Please translate the above to Nigerian Latin.

Gabrielshow24:
Patrick is looking more dazzling you are certainly a star!

Well, that's why he is Fully man👀 and Fully God and not some hybrid. He is no different to us for He spoke; He ate, He drank, He hungered, He thirsted, He went to the rest room👀 etc.

So yes, He had characteristics of both! —Divine and temporal! Also, He has been historically proven to have existed!

Spongebob: This is called a brain.
Gabriel: ohhh.....what is it used for?

Spongebob; it is used for thinking
Gabriel: ohhh...that would be very hard. i will just believe whatever i am told.

spongebob: can a human being be divine, are human not made of dust?
Gabriel: i dont know, i just repeat what i am told

no Gabriel, he never existed. he was written into existed much like Harry potter.

if you have any proof, provide it......and win a life supply of the last thing you brought.

Gabrielshow24:
Patrick is looking more dazzling you are certainly a star!

Well, that's why he is Fully man👀 and Fully God and not some hybrid. He is no different to us for He spoke; He ate, He drank, He hungered, He thirsted, He went to the rest room👀 etc.

So yes, He had characteristics of both! —Divine and temporal! Also, He has been historically proven to have existed!

@ The red bold -

1. Were you born of a virgin?

2. Do you transfigure?

3. Are you simultaenously God?

If you answer any of the above in the negative, then your statement in red bold above is categorically, emphatically, ineluctably and indubitably false.

sonmvayina:
Please provide the references.

I am waiting.

Please . I really want to see them

God has already provided everything we need in the Torah. I dont understand the purpose of the new theology the Romans fostered on the world.

Please provide the references....I asked you to in my previous post, you ignored it.


Hope it is not that Isaiah 7:14, because it is about a war that will soon happen. The sign was for king Ahaz to assure him his kingdom will still stand.
Or Isaiah 9:6 which is about future king Hezekiah. The child was already given/born when Isaiah was writing it. He is going to be a king in the future,meaning he was already a prince now (first son of king Ahaz).
Or Isaiah 53 which is about a different servant . And 8 times prior to Isaiah 53, Isaiah told you who the servant is....... isreal/ jacob

The prophet Micah specifically prophesied that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2). 
Several prophecies point to Jerusalem as the location of Jesus's future ministry and suffering. 
• Psalm 2:6 speaks of God anointing his king on Zion. 
• Psalm 110:4 refers to the priesthood of the Messiah, also associated with Jerusalem. 
• Zechariah 9:9 foretells the Messiah's arrival in Jerusalem on a donkey. 
• Zechariah 12:10 speaks of a time when people will mourn for him in Jerusalem. 
• Galilee:
Isaiah 9:1-2 prophesies that the ministry of Jesus would begin in Galilee. 
• Egypt:
Hosea 11:1 speaks of God calling his son out of Egypt, which is interpreted as a prophecy of Jesus's time in Egypt as a child. 
• Ramah:
Jeremiah 31:15 speaks of weeping in Ramah, which is connected to the Massacre of the Innocents in Matthew 2:17-18. 
• Other Locations:
Prophecies also mention other locations in relation to specific events, such as the potter's field (Zechariah 11:12-13) and places associated with his crucifixion. 

Do you want more?

DeepSight:
@ The red bold -

1. Were you born of a virgin?

2. Do you transfigure?

3. Are you simultaenously God?

If you answer any of the above in the negative, then your statement in red bold above is categorically, emphatically, ineluctably and indubitably false.

Come on you know what he means. Doesn't mean we perform miracles like him. It means he feels pain, sadness, etc just like us, is fully man like us

DeepSight:
@ The red bold -

1. Were you born of a virgin?

2. Do you transfigure?

3. Are you simultaenously God?

If you answer any of the above in the negative, then your statement in red bold above is categorically, emphatically, ineluctably and indubitably false.

We have been through this before, this questions are the exact reason the hypostatis is needed. You are invariably confirming his divine nature! 😅

What a way to go!

FreeIgboho:
Come on you know what he means. Doesn't mean we perform miracles like him. It means he feels just like us, is fully man like us

Men are not born of virgins, neither did they create the universe, they are created beings.

Gabrielshow24:
We have been through this before, this questions are the exact reason the hypostatis is needed. You are invariably confirming his divine nature! 😅

What a way to go!

What a waste of time. Enjoy.

DeepSight:
Men are not born of virgins, neither did they create the universe, they are created beings.

He is FULLY man, and FULLY God

FreeIgboho:
He is FULLY man, and FULLY God

Enjoy.

sonmvayina:
Spongebob: This is called a brain.
Gabriel: ohhh.....what is it used for?

Spongebob; it is used for thinking
Gabriel: ohhh...that would be very hard. i will just believe whatever i am told.

spongebob: can a human being be divine, are human not made of dust?
Gabriel: i dont know, i just repeat what i am told

no Gabriel, he never existed. he was written into existed much like Harry potter.

if you have any proof, provide it......and win a life supply of the last thing you brought.

Thanks for you the mention but we all know, SpongeBob's friend is Patrick Star😅. Someone whose image you gladly fit. It's without doubt that a person called Jesus existed and was crucified. If Jesus is doubted as non-existent then all of history becomes dubious! Pls, take note and stop displaying puerile wisdom.