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MaxInDHouse:
Go and publish your own translation and include those adjectives but for now no single Bible translator used such adjectives for the Bible God!

I don't need to publish a Translation because even Watchtower who did that to justify their doctrines still couldn't insert "Theocracy" or direct phrase "Jesus is Michael" into their translation and that doesn't stop them from using them.

But the key here is that you lied when you claimed you don't believe in what is not found in the Bible.

You believe THEOCRACY & Jesus is Michael without such word/phrase in the Bible.

But it will be intellectual dishonesty to claim a word with a meaning can't be used because it's not found in a book.

So far, you can't answer the straight question.

Did God KNOW ALL THINGS according to scripture OR can we find in the scripture where it is written that GOD KNOWS ALL THINGS?

AngelahFlo:
Good morning Brother Thanks for this debate. It's been interesting, heated and really controversial. As Christians we're called to be Witnesses not Lawyers
A Lawyer argues a case and a point.
A Witness shares an experience and can't keep silent. I pray for you and for me as well to be faithful witnesses to Him. Rightly dividing the Word of Truth in Love as we await His coming. Be at Peace and be blessed brother.

Three questions are raised by this topic:

1. Can God see everything and is He seeing everything now?

2. Can God be present everywhere and is He present everywhere now?

3. Can God do all things and is He doing all things now?

Ask a Muslim these questions and you will get "YES" all through but as believers in Christ we must be wise as serpent and harmless as dove {Matthew 10:16} the wise answer to each question is "YES" to part a but "NO" to part b.

WHY?

Even though God can see everything but He chose not to because humans have become sinners and so the things they often do irritates Him {Genesis 6:6} this means He won't like to be everywhere for the same reason since He is incapable of seeing evil deeds {Habakkuk 1:13} to the third question ability to do all things doesn't exclude evil things which exempt God because He is Holy. James 1:13

That's why no inspired writer used any of those terms and translators avoided it too.

You are welcome!

MaxInDHouse:
Three questions are raised by this topic:

1. Can God see everything and is He seeing everything now?

2. Can God be present everywhere and is He present everywhere now?

3. Can God do all things and is He doing all things now?

Ask a Muslim these questions and you will get "YES" all through but as believers in Christ we must be wise as serpent and harmless as dove {Matthew 10:16} the wise answer to each question is "YES" to part a but "NO" to part b.

WHY?

Even though God can see everything but He chose not to because humans have become sinners and so the things they often do irritates Him {Genesis 6:6} this means He won't like to be everywhere for the same reason since He is incapable of seeing evil deeds {Habakkuk 1:13} to the third question ability to do all things doesn't exclude evil things which exempt God because He is Holy. James 1:13

That's why no inspired writer used any of those terms and translators avoided it too.

You are welcome!

Firstly, you lied again, the point which you started on this topic was OMNISCIENT (God KNOWS ALL THINGS)

You asked questions and answered the same questions yet you go further to contradict yourself.

You agreed by saying "Even though God can SEE EVERYTHING"

1. Did scripture say God KNOWS ALL THINGS?
2. Did scripture say God is ALL POWERFUL?
3. Did scripture say God is EVERYWHERE?

These are simple questions you can answer "YES/NO" by providing where the scripture rejects those phrases.

because your initial objection was that God is not OMNISCIENT, OMNIPRESENT & OMNIPOTENT.

When OMNISCIENT simply means ALL KNOWING.

Also you lied that because of human sins God chooses not to see them but here is a verse about how God's watching individual "The eyes of Jehovah are everywhere, Watching both the bad and the good." Prov 15:3 - NWT

How long will you keep lying against God and His word?

Emusan:
"The eyes of Jehovah are everywhere, Watching both the bad and the good." Prov 15:3 - NWT

"The eyes of Jehovah"

Is what confused you because Genesis 18:20-21 says God decided to go down to Sodom and Gomorrah to see whether the reports brought to Him is exactly as reported.

So how do we get a balance view?

It was revealed to Ezekiel that there are angels given the ability to see everything around them.
Please read:
"As I was watching, I saw four wheels beside the cherubs, one wheel beside each cherub, and the wheels appeared to glow like chrysʹo·lite stone.  As for their appearance, the four of them were alike, looking as though a wheel were within a wheel.  When they moved, they could go in any of the four directions without turning, because they would go to the place where the head would face without turning.  Their entire bodies, their backs, their hands, their wings, and the wheels, the wheels of all four of them, were full of eyes all around." Ezekiel 10:9-12
These are the ones serving as eyes who are reporting matters to God and when He feels like inspecting to see the extent to which things has gone wrong He will do so as He did in the case of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Thanks for asking.

MaxInDHouse:
"The eyes of Jehovah"

Is what confused you because Genesis 18:20-21 says God decided to go down to Sodom and Gomorrah to see whether the reports brought to Him is exactly as reported.

Confused me ke or it only exposed your lying mouth.

So, the author didn't know the difference between the Eyes of Angels and the eyes of Jehovah that is why you have to get a balance view

So how do we get a balance view?

The balance left for you are just your conjecture.

It's written boldly in the scripture that THE EYES OF JEHOVAH is on both the bad and the good.

You can deny it but can't remove that from God's word.

It was revealed to Ezekiel that there are angels given the ability to see everything around them.

Funny thing about God's word denial is the ability to raise anything above God.

You agreed Angels have the ability to "SEE EVERYTHING" around them but God doesn't have the same ABILITY.

Can you imagine that?

Anyways, why are you not answering my other questions.

1. Is there in the scripture a direct phrase like God KNOWS ALL THINGS?
2. Is there a direct phrase in the scripture that says God is ALL POWERFUL?

You just want to argue but i'm sorry that is in the past because the OP has gotten my message so if you are not satisfied go and figure out for yourself what God meant at Genesis 18:20-21
Enjoy your day!

Emusan:
Confused me ke or it only exposed your lying mouth. So, the author didn't know the difference between the Eyes of Angels and the eyes of Jehovah that is why you have to get a balance view
The balance left for you are just your conjecture. It's written boldly in the scripture that THE EYES OF JEHOVAH is on both the bad and the good. You can deny it but can't remove that from God's word. Funny thing about God's word denial is the ability to raise anything above God. You agreed Angels have the ability to "SEE EVERYTHING" around them but God doesn't have the same ABILITY. Can you imagine that?
Anyways, why are you not answering my other questions.
1. Is there in the scripture a direct phrase like God KNOWS ALL THINGS?
2. Is there a direct phrase in the scripture that says God is ALL POWERFUL?

MaxInDHouse:
You just want to argue but i'm sorry that is in the past

Yes! To keep exposing your lies and how you hate God's word.

because the OP has gotten my message

When you didn't even address the OP in the first place.

Allow the OP to tell you he has gotten the message or are you his spokesperson?

so if you are not satisfied go and figure out for yourself what God meant at Genesis 18:20-21
Enjoy your day!

Gen 18:20-21 has not solved your confusion.

The Eyes of Jehovah are EVERYWHERE, WATCHING at both the bad and the good.

This is directly from your own translation.

God KNOWS ALL THINGS
GOD is ALL POWERFUL

Meaning of:
Omniscient = ALL KNOWING
Omnipotent = ALL POWERFUL

Reason why you're afraid of those questions

Emusan:
Confused me ke or it only exposed your lying mouth.

So, the author didn't know the difference between the Eyes of Angels and the eyes of Jehovah that is why you have to get a balance view



The balance left for you are just your conjecture.

It's written boldly in the scripture that THE EYES OF JEHOVAH is on both the bad and the good.

You can deny it but can't remove that from God's word.



Funny thing about God's word denial is the ability to raise anything above God.

You agreed Angels have the ability to "SEE EVERYTHING" around them but God doesn't have the same ABILITY.

Can you imagine that?

Anyways, why are you not answering my other questions.

1. Is there in the scripture a direct phrase like God KNOWS ALL THINGS?
2. Is there a direct phrase in the scripture that says God is ALL POWERFUL?

That delusion in his brains cannot stop now until he unsubscribed to the imperfect spiritual food served by the men housed in USA serving as GODS over him.

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK i'm not interested in arguments.
Thanks!

Runaway as usual

@ MaxInDHouse religious publication......

The fact that Jehovah has a place of dwelling indicates that he is not in all places at all times. How, then, can he be aware of what is happening? (2 Chronicles 6:39) One way is through his holy spirit, or active force. The psalmist wrote: “Where can I go from your spirit, and where can I run away from your face? If I should ascend to heaven, there you would be; and if I should spread out my couch in Sheol, look! you would be there.”​—Psalm 139:7-10.

To understand the pervasive effect of God’s holy spirit, picture the sun. It is at a specific location but distributes energy to a vast portion of the earth. Similarly, Jehovah God has a place of dwelling. But he can perform whatever his will is anywhere in the universe. Furthermore, Jehovah can use his holy spirit to perceive what is happening anywhere and at any time. Thus, 2 Chronicles 16:9 states: “As regards Jehovah, his eyes are roving about through all the earth to show his strength in behalf of those whose heart is complete toward him.”


When David said where can I go from your spirit, was David running away from active force (inanimate or not a being) or from God(a being)?

cc: Emusan

To expose that fraud of lies and manipulations peddle here. The very religious organization he is a member of attest to God being omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient

The Bible’s Viewpoint

Is God Everywhere?

GOD is fittingly described as omnipotent and omniscient​—almighty and all-knowing. Yet, when attempting further to describe God’s greatness, some add a third term​—omnipresent. They believe that God is present everywhere simultaneously.

While none of these descriptive terms are found in the Bible, the first two are clearly supported by Scriptural teachings. (Genesis 17:1; Hebrews 4:13; Revelation 11:17) God is indeed omnipotent, and he is omniscient in the sense that nothing can be hidden from him. But is he omnipresent? Is God everywhere, or is he a person with a specific dwelling place?

When nothing can be hidden from God, that particular place that thing cannot be hidden who is equally present there to know and see that you cannot hide anything there? In their quest to want to be separate and knowledgeable regarding the scriptures they peddle delusion and lies.

Gabrielshow24:
God made Satan and turned all his wickedness into good—for us👀

DeepSight:

Let me Indulge you by laughing as well 😂😂😂.

Gabrielshow24:
Let me Indulge you by laughing as well 😂😂😂.

Is it not funny?

achorladey:
@ MaxInDHouse religious publication......

The fact that Jehovah has a place of dwelling indicates that he is not in all places at all times. How, then, can he be aware of what is happening? (2 Chronicles 6:39) One way is through his holy spirit, or active force. The psalmist wrote: “Where can I go from your spirit, and where can I run away from your face? If I should ascend to heaven, there you would be; and if I should spread out my couch in Sheol, look! you would be there.”​—Psalm 139:7-10.

To understand the pervasive effect of God’s holy spirit, picture the sun. It is at a specific location but distributes energy to a vast portion of the earth. Similarly, Jehovah God has a place of dwelling. But he can perform whatever his will is anywhere in the universe. Furthermore, Jehovah can use his holy spirit to perceive what is happening anywhere and at any time. Thus, 2 Chronicles 16:9 states: “As regards Jehovah, his eyes are roving about through all the earth to show his strength in behalf of those whose heart is complete toward him.”


When David said where can I go from your spirit, was David running away from active force (inanimate or not a being) or from God(a being)?

cc: Emusan

😂😂😂wetin we no go hear from this people.

DeepSight:
Is it not funny?

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.🙃

If Satan like make he cause plague, it will work for my good👌.

Gabrielshow24:
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.🙃

If Satan like make he cause plague, it will work for my good👌.

Well, as a religionist and person of faith you are free to say that. The truth however is that this does not turn out to be the case for a great many people no matter how much they trust in and appeal to God. Think of the millions who experienced the holocaust for example and the many more millions who experienced the slave trade as another example.

Of course I understand you will have the "it can never happen to me" mentality but in truth everyday very good faithful people are struck down by all manner of tragedy including terminal illnesses.

Gabrielshow24:
😂😂😂wetin we no go hear from this people.

That's how their mode of operation be. Say A on nairaland then say B when they are inside their kingdom halls.

While still a member those we meet at homes when preaching we just ask sometimes, do we read the religious publications we give to them at all?

After leaving that religious organization, I got the reasons why they do ask that question.

achorladey:
@ MaxInDHouse religious publication......

The fact that Jehovah has a place of dwelling indicates that he is not in all places at all times. How, then, can he be aware of what is happening? (2 Chronicles 6:39) One way is through his holy spirit, or active force. The psalmist wrote: “Where can I go from your spirit, and where can I run away from your face? If I should ascend to heaven, there you would be; and if I should spread out my couch in Sheol, look! you would be there.”​—Psalm 139:7-10.

To understand the pervasive effect of God’s holy spirit, picture the sun. It is at a specific location but distributes energy to a vast portion of the earth. Similarly, Jehovah God has a place of dwelling. But he can perform whatever his will is anywhere in the universe. Furthermore, Jehovah can use his holy spirit to perceive what is happening anywhere and at any time. Thus, 2 Chronicles 16:9 states: “As regards Jehovah, his eyes are roving about through all the earth to show his strength in behalf of those whose heart is complete toward him.”


When David said where can I go from your spirit, was David running away from active force (inanimate or not a being) or from God(a being)?

cc: Emusan

See this primary pupil's logic.

God can't be everywhere yet He can BUT through HIS HOLY SPIRIT.

So according to Watchtower Holy Spirit can be EVERYWHERE but God HIMSELF can't be EVERYWHERE.

That is wonderfully serious

Emusan:
See this primary pupil's logic.

God can't be everywhere yet He can BUT through HIS HOLY SPIRIT.

So according to Watchtower Holy Spirit can be EVERYWHERE but God HIMSELF can't be EVERYWHERE.

That is wonderfully serious

That's their mode of operation. I got to even see the point you highlighted after referencing it


Their cut and join ways of interpreting the scriptures

Wow!
This is hilarious!
Some people don't know the difference between i can't and i won't!

Maximus692:
Wow!
This is hilarious!
Some people don't know the difference between i can't and i won't!

Clear the delusions of the I can't your I won't becomes exercise in futility

achorladey:
Clear the delusions of the I can't your I won't becomes exercise in futility

Shame on all of you the OP has gotten what i'm saying there's a lot of things God can do that He wouldn't do so if you can do something but you choose not to do it for a reason best known to you how can those who knew you can do it explain to those who don't know you when you refused to do it?
Nobody denies God's ability to see all things but He chose not to because what is happening always saddens Him that's the explanation of what God said in the Bible book of Genesis 18:20-21
You're all worried that JWs have answers to questions you can't dare but it's alright you can borrow from us if you still believe in the Bible God and you feel like defending His actions before atheists and agnostics!

Maximus692:
Shame on all of you the OP has gotten what i'm saying there's a lot of things God can do that He wouldn't do so if you can do something but you choose not to do it for a reason best known to you how can those who knew you can do it explain to those who don't know you when you refused to do it?
Nobody denies God's ability to see all things but He chose not to because what is happening always saddens Him that's the explanation of what God said in the Bible book of Genesis 18:20-21
You're all worried that JWs have answers to questions you can't dare but it's alright you can borrow from us if you still believe in the Bible God and you feel like defending His actions before atheists and agnostics!

Once cover ups are blown open lies, manipulations and shame peddling becomes the order of the day.

Clear the delusions of the I can't your I won't becomes exercise in futility

Response becomes

Shame on all of you the OP has gotten what i'm saying there's a lot of things God can do that He wouldn't do

Then

if you can do something but you choose not to do it for a reason best known to you how can those who knew you can do it explain to those who don't know you when you refused to do it?

Omnipotent, omnipresence and omniscient cure your fraud of Bible knowledge pack into your brains. Stop going round and round to admit what you know cannot be explained otherwise.

Nobody denies God's ability to see all things but He chose not to because what is happening always saddens Him that's the explanation of what God said in the Bible book of Genesis 18:20-21

That's why you want to hide under I CAN'T and I WON'T. Your delusion cured already. Just apply the same I CAN'T and I WON'T in Genesis 18:20 - 21 you will how great the exercise in futility really is.

You're all worried that JWs have answers to questions you can't dare but it's alright you can borrow from us if you still believe in the Bible God and you feel like defending His actions before atheists and agnostics!

Even the name Jehovah na christendom provide am for Jehovah's Witnesses whatever you call Bible today is from Christendom. Na +/- 150 years organization have all the answers. Wetin make I call am, DELUSIONS

Genesis 13:13....Now the men of Sodʹom were wicked, gross sinners against Jehovah.

So it is Genesis 18:18 - 21 that Jehovah will now know whether they are GROSS sinners true true or not

Gabrielshow24:
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.🙃

If Satan like make he cause plague, it will work for my good👌.

Using a good dose of humor to reveal a scriptural truth. Beautiful

The Bible clearly states that God is the Creator of everything, both what we can see and what we can't, including the angelic being who would eventually become known as Satan (Colossians 1:16). Just like the rest of creation, he was originally made good; as described in the symbolic language of Ezekiel 28:15, he was “blameless… from the day you were created.”

However, this good creation chose to rebel, mirroring the human experience in Eden: pride and self-importance took the place of obedience (Isaiah 14:13–14). This misuse of freedom turned him into God’s adversary, and his corruption didn’t stop with him. He became the deceiver, tempter, and accuser, leading others into his rebellion (Revelation 12:9). Yet, the biblical narrative reassures that God’s sovereignty remains intact; the same story that starts with Satan’s creation concludes with his ultimate defeat (Revelation 20:10).

So, while God did create Satan, he was initially a good and glorious being whose downfall was a result of his own choices.

Getting to if this was determined or predetermined is more likely beyond my certain and explainable reasoning.

Ohyoudidnt:
Getting to if this was determined or predetermined is more likely beyond my certain and explainable reasoning.

According to Qur'an who is Satan?
What did Qur'an say about Allah and the existence of Satan?
Did Allah purposely create Satan for the things we know him to be now?

The Bible explained that God is Holy this means someone who doesn't think of evil everything He does is always good but since some humans feel like doing what God condemns they argue that that's their own nature as God created and wanted them to be just as He created Satan so God can't create them the way they are and someone else will now come preaching they need to change from what God created them to be into something else, in other words they blame God for their actions and inactions! Genesis 3:11-12

Who created Satan?
My Answer: Man.

Where did Christians get the idea that "Nah wetin Satan like e dey do"?
When God has the final say.

I keep directing people to the book of Job.
Everything the Satan does is what God tells him to do. Satan does nothing without God's Ok.(In Oscars' voice in shark tale) See Isaiah 45:7.
There is just nothing satan will do that God will not know about.
Anything that happens whether good or bad, only happens if it is the will of God.
I don't know where you guys got the idea that Satan is a dual opposite of God. That is a big insult.
In Babylonian religion. He would be Enlil. After Marduk finished creating the universe, he gave all the orishas their station and domain. Satan is just the Lord of the air..AKA wind. I think you guys should take a second look at the book of Job.

Which kind God una dey worship self?
Ignorance is really a disease.

The Satan I have been reading about here is a creation of man.
Not the one created by God. The one created by God is loyal and must bend to the will of God.

Education is key.

sonmvayina:
The Satan I have been reading about here is a creation of man.
Not the one created by God. The one created by God is loyal and must bend to the will of God.

Education is key.

He surely will bend to the Will of God cos he's a creature. The Word of God not Education is key.
Man didn't create the devil. Man exhibits devilish traits cos of the evil thoughts they entertain.

I repeat God didn't create the devil. The being that is the devil today was once an anointed cherub that dwell in the Holy mountain of God. He became proud of his beauty and wanted to be like God. To be worshipped like God. He was cast down and became the devil. His original name was Lucifer.
God didn't create the devil. He became what he is today by his choice. See Isaiah 14.
If you still don't get it, I drop my fingers and move on to another topic

AngelahFlo:
He surely will bend to the Will of God cos he's a creature. The Word of God not Education is key.
Man didn't create the devil. Man exhibits devilish traits cos of the evil thoughts they entertain.

I repeat God didn't create the devil. The being that is the devil today was once an anointed cherub that dwell in the Holy mountain of God. He became proud of his beauty and wanted to be like God. To be worshipped like God. He was cast down and became the devil. His original name was Lucifer.
God didn't create the devil. He became what he is today by his choice. See Isaiah 14.
If you still don't get it, I drop my fingers and move on to another topic

Satan, devil and Lucifer are three different orishas. They are not God's. They represent the laws and principles of life.
Satan is the orisha of the air
Devil is the orisha of darkness
Lucifer is the orisha or love, war and death. Lucifer is a feminine aspect . Lucifer is a "she" Not a he. And she is who christians know as Mary the mother of Jesus. She is the so called queen of heaven, Don't miss them together.
Where did you people get the idea that they are evil?