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Someone already gave you an exhaustive list of why you are claims are absurd. It is a very minority opinion that is not popular and will never be popular amongst academic circles. Trust mez a lot of theologians think your Jay Smith a charlatan..

It is 2025 and I don't think you understand how ridiculous I find you. You claims are aon the same league with "Muhammad never existed" and "Allah si a moon god". I can even forgive "Muhammad is possessed " but this

Absurd, more absurdness, and more. We don't know where to start with absurdity. It is shame you live amongst us.

butterfly777:
Not every cited material is valid, so making reference to some materials does not automatically translate to giving VALID evidence.

And neither does your sentimentality serve as evidence.

NeoWanZaeed:
Laughing Out Loud..


Man made religion.. and it's the only religion that's not worshipping a supernatural human being dubbed as GOD.


Laughing..

On a logical level, you are too wrong


Laughing

But one of their Idols is the Black stone!
An intermediary between them and Allah!

AntiChristian:
Islam is the religion all Prophets of Allah practised from Adam, Noah till the last of them Muhammad.
Noah, Abraham, Moses, Aaron, and all others were Muslims!

Talk is cheap!
Where is your evidence?

How do you know ANY of these prophets if not plagiarized from the people of the Book?

AntiChristian:
This doesn't change the above fact that Islam was what was sent to him. The laws may vary!

Islam is a UNIFICATION of Deities and UNIFICATION off the Religions of the Jews, the Christians, the Sabians etc and myths of the ancients.

There is not one EVIDENCE of Allah in the Qur'an other than CLAIMS of one guy you Muslims call Mohammed.

AntiChristian:
The Qur'an was recited during the Prophet's lifetime though not compiled in one script. It was compiled in one script less than two years after the Prophet died.

This is UNTRUE!
The Qur'an was collected in the LIFETIME of your prophet. It was even written on clothes!
LOL!

AntiChristian:
This still does not negate the fact that the only religion acceptable to Allah our creator is Islam!

The only true thing you said about your supposed creator Allah! The only religion he claims to accept is Islam.

Let me ask you a question :
Does Allah accept the religion of the Jews (Judaism) at least they are not Muslims!

TenQ:
But one of their Idols is the Black stone!
An intermediary between them and Allah!

Laughing.. in 21st century. You are still talking without knowledge or proof lol
No wonder you believe a human being is your god and he's 3 in 1.. laise mario lol

NeoWanZaeed:
Laughing.. in 21st century. You are still talking without knowledge or proof lol
No wonder you believe a human being is your god and he's 3 in 1.. laise mario lol

What is an idol?

Is it not a physical object representing a DEITY or it's function?

By this definition, is the Black stone not your IDOL?

TenQ:
Talk is cheap!
Where is your evidence?

How do you know ANY of these prophets if not plagiarized from the people of the Book?


Islam is a UNIFICATION of Deities and UNIFICATION off the Religions of the Jews, the Christians, the Sabians etc and myths of the ancients.

There is not one EVIDENCE of Allah in the Qur'an other than CLAIMS of one guy you Muslims call Mohammed.



This is UNTRUE!
The Qur'an was collected in the LIFETIME of your prophet. It was even written on clothes!
LOL!





The only true thing you said about your supposed creator Allah! The only religion he claims to accept is Islam.

Let me ask you a question :
Does Allah accept the religion of the Jews (Judaism) at least they are not Muslims!

No one can submit to the Creator except through Jesus Christ. Jesus is the only way to God.

NeoWanZaeed:
Laughing.. in 21st century. You are still talking without knowledge or proof lol
No wonder you believe a human being is your god and he's 3 in 1.. laise mario lol

Its you who need to accept the truth. Though the Quran is not from God, when Muhammed was adding ideas from the Jews, Christians and Mecca idol worshippers to form Islam, he didn't understand everything he was copying.

Muhammed copied the idea of trinity into Islam. How? The Quran says that Jesus is the word of Allah which came from him, that is Jesus, the eternal uncreated word who is also God.

The Quran also says Allah has a spirit. This is the Holy Spirit.

There you have it in the man made Quran:
Allah, Allahs Word (Jesus), and Allah's Spirit (Holy Spirit). Allah exists in 1 by beings in 3 persons, all eternal an increased. Meaning Allah is trinity. Just like human beings are Body, soul and spirit. Each one representing the person.

Muhammed mistakenly copied the while Thinking he opposed it.

butterfly777:
No one can submit to the Creator except through Jesus Christ. Jesus is the only way to God.

Perfectly said!

There is no salvation in any other name EXCEPT the Name of Jesus Christ.

NeoWanZaeed:
Laughing.. in 21st century. You are still talking without knowledge or proof lol
No wonder you believe a human being is your god and he's 3 in 1.. laise mario lol

You Islamabads can tell lies for Africa.

No Christian believe that a human being is our God. What we know is that God became Human. Is Qur'an 5:72 a verse in ignorance or you are the one peddling a "strawman" argument ?


Does Allah have the power to become Human and still remain Almighty?







Now back to to the issue you dodged and didn't want to discuss
An idol is a physical object that stands as an intermediary to the Deities and perform his functions

By this definition isn't the Black stone your IDOL?

butterfly777:
Its you who need to accept the truth. Though the Quran is not from God, when Muhammed was adding ideas from the Jews, Christians and Mecca idol worshippers to form Islam, he didn't understand everything he was copying.

Muhammed copied the idea of trinity into Islam. How? The Quran says that Jesus is the word of Allah which came from him, that is Jesus, the eternal uncreated word who is also God.

The Quran also says Allah has a spirit. This is the Holy Spirit.

There you have it in the man made Quran:
Allah, Allahs Word (Jesus), and Allah's Spirit (Holy Spirit). Allah exists in 1 by beings in 3 persons, all eternal an increased. Meaning Allah is trinity. Just like human beings are Body, soul and spirit. Each one representing the person.

Muhammed mistakenly copied the while Thinking he opposed it.

Your assertion that Kalimatullah, or the word of Allah, implies that Jesus is divine is simply not accurate. All of creation comes from Allah’s command, "Kun." If this were to suggest divinity, then Adam would also have to be considered divine, as mentioned in the Quran [3:47, 59].

In this context, "word" is used metaphorically to represent Allah’s creative command.

Additionally, the phrase "Ruhun minhu," meaning spirit from Allah, does not imply that Jesus is part of God. Adam also received the “spirit from Allah” [Quran 15:29], which signifies life and honor, rather than divinity.

The term “from Him” (minhu) in Arabic conveys a sense of honor (similar to baytullāh, or “House of Allah”), rather than indicating a literal essence.

His miracles do not establish his divinity. Other prophets performed miracles as well, all by Allah’s permission. The Quran consistently states that Isa acted bi-idhnillah (“by Allah’s leave”) [Quran 3:49].

Being referred to as the Messiah does not make him God. The term “Messiah” (al-Masīḥ) is a title that means “anointed one,” indicating a blessed and chosen servant, not a divine being.

Why would God need to become man to guide humanity? The need for food, sleep, and the limitations of being human [Quran 5:75] contradict the idea of God’s perfection and self-sufficiency. Were those who were rightly guided before the time of Jesus misguided?

Did Prophet Muhammad pbuh act to oppose the earlier prophets of God? Not at all. He was the finality of the same message from God to mankind from the time of Adam on earth. Then where and who did he copy from? Do you have any proof of just repeat the general unsubstantiated rhetoric?

TenQ:
You Islamabads can tell lies for Africa.

No Christian believe that a human being is our God. What we know is that God became Human. Is Qur'an 5:72 a verse in ignorance or you are the one peddling a "strawman" argument ?


Does Allah have the power to become Human and still remain Almighty?







Now back to to the issue you dodged and didn't want to discuss
An idol is a physical object that stands as an intermediary to the Deities and perform his functions

By this definition isn't the Black stone your IDOL?

You are extremely ignorant of what Islam is. Extremely seriously ignorant. Continue bathing in your ignorance.

Muslims don't pray to black stone or use it as an intercession while making dua.

Allah is not jesus lol. Allah is the creator, he's not creation. Allah has absolutely nothing in common with any of his creations. Allah is not human..

Laughing.. Christians are so funny. Their god left heaven, turn to human to be killed by his creation while he's also the son of himself
Laughing

NeoWanZaeed:
You are extremely ignorant of what Islam is. Extremely seriously ignorant. Continue bathing in your ignorance.

Muslims don't pray to black stone or use it as an intercession while making dua.

So, tell me why you either kiss it or point your fingers to it during hajj as an act of worship (I didn't say you bow down to it)?
Does the stone intercede for you?

So, why do you kiss an ordinary black stone as an act of worship.?

Note:
An idol is a physical object that stands as an intermediary to the Deities and perform his functions

Is the black stone not your IDOL per this definition?

NeoWanZaeed:
Allah is not jesus lol. Allah is the creator, he's not creation. Allah has absolutely nothing in common with any of his creations. Allah is not human..

Laughing.. Christians are so funny. Their god left heaven, turn to human to be killed by his creation while he's also the son of himself
Laughing

The Christian God is not like ANYTHING or ANYONE in creation. Thus, He can leave heave and still be in heaven while on earth he is killed but still remains alive and be a father to himself. Is there any creature that can be this at the same time?

Can you please answer my question:
Does Allah have the power to become Human and still remain Almighty?



Talk is cheap:
Other than claims, can you prove that Allah is the creator? An Indian Hindu can claim that Vishnu is the creator: is Vishnu the same as Allah?

honesttalk21:
Your assertion that Kalimatullah, or the word of Allah, implies that Jesus is divine is simply not accurate. All of creation comes from Allah’s command, "Kun." If this were to suggest divinity, then Adam would also have to be considered divine, as mentioned in the Quran [3:47, 59].

In this context, "word" is used metaphorically to represent Allah’s creative command.

So, Jesus is the Creative Command of Allah?

honesttalk21:
Additionally, the phrase "Ruhun minhu," meaning spirit from Allah, does not imply that Jesus is part of God. Adam also received the “spirit from Allah” [Quran 15:29], which signifies life and honor, rather than divinity.

The term “from Him” (minhu) in Arabic conveys a sense of honor (similar to baytullāh, or “House of Allah”), rather than indicating a literal essence.

Can one be definite and sure about things that is not understood? No!

So, what is a spirit according to Islam?
Is a spirit "a living being" or "a property of a being"?

honesttalk21:
His miracles do not establish his divinity. Other prophets performed miracles as well, all by Allah’s permission. The Quran consistently states that Isa acted bi-idhnillah (“by Allah’s leave”) [Quran 3:49].

Quran 22:73
"O people, an example is presented, so listen to it. Indeed, those you invoke besides Allah will never create [as much as] a fly, even if they gathered together for that purpose. And if the fly should steal away from them a [tiny] thing, they could not recover it from him. Weak are the pursuer and pursued."

Did Jesus create more than a fly?

Surah Al-Imran (3:49):
"I create for you out of clay the shape of a bird, then I blow into it and it becomes a bird by Allah's permission. And I heal the blind and the leper and give life to the dead by Allah's permission. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Surely, in this is a sign for you if you are believers."

Surah Al-Ma'idah (5:110):
"When Allah will say, 'O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Holy Spirit, and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and when you taught the Scripture and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you created from clay a bird by My permission and breathed into it, and it became a bird by My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper by My permission; and when you brought forth the dead by My permission...'"


Tell me:
Who else in the universe among Men, Jinn, Angels, Houri etc that created any living thing apart from God?

honesttalk21:
Being referred to as the Messiah does not make him God. The term “Messiah” (al-Masīḥ) is a title that means “anointed one,” indicating a blessed and chosen servant, not a divine being.

Please with Islamic Evidence either from the Qur'an, the Hadith or the Tafsir, show
1. What is the islamic meaning of the Messiah (how do you know it means "the anointed one"?
2. Why only Jesus is called the Messiah?

honesttalk21:
Why would God need to become man to guide humanity? The need for food, sleep, and the limitations of being human [Quran 5:75] contradict the idea of God’s perfection and self-sufficiency. Were those who were rightly guided before the time of Jesus misguided?

Who said Anything about God NEEDING to become man. LOL!!
God did NOT need to become man for anything: God became human that He can be JUST and LOVING at the same time.

Muslims are theologically "mumushious"
Sin is any Violation of the "kunfayakun" of God
The punishment for Sin is ETERNITY in Hell.
God's justice does require that SIN is punished.
But God's Love require that the Sinner is set Free from the judgement of sin.

The perfect Jesus thus became our Scapegoat AND our RANSOM for the judgement of our sin for those who will believe in God's solution.


Can the Violation of the kunfayakun of Allah be undone after it had been violated by anyone?

honesttalk21:
Did Prophet Muhammad pbuh act to oppose the earlier prophets of God? Not at all. He was the finality of the same message from God to mankind from the time of Adam on earth. Then where and who did he copy from? Do you have any proof of just repeat the general unsubstantiated rhetoric?

What did Jesus say about Divorce as an instance?
Mk 10:12:
"And if a woman shall divorce her husband, and be married to another, she commits adultery.""

What does your prophet say about Divorce?
A rashly divorced woman (by her husband ) who even wants to return to her husband CANNOT even return except if another man "boreholed" her first.

Is this the same commandment?
Is this not a contradiction?

Jesus said:
John 6:44:
"No man can come to me, except the Father which has sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."

Was this also what your prophet taught?

Is this not a contradiction?

Jesus called us who believed in Him " Son's of God"
Mat 5:45:
"That you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust."
John 1:12-13:
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

In contrast
Mohammed taught that Allah does NOT have children!
Is this not a contradiction?

TenQ:
So, Jesus is the Creative Command of Allah?


Can one be definite and sure about things that is not understood? No!

So, what is a spirit according to Islam?
Is a spirit "a living being" or "a property of a being"?


Quran 22:73
"O people, an example is presented, so listen to it. Indeed, those you invoke besides Allah will never create [as much as] a fly, even if they gathered together for that purpose. And if the fly should steal away from them a [tiny] thing, they could not recover it from him. Weak are the pursuer and pursued."

Did Jesus create more than a fly?

Surah Al-Imran (3:49):
"I create for you out of clay the shape of a bird, then I blow into it and it becomes a bird by Allah's permission. And I heal the blind and the leper and give life to the dead by Allah's permission. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Surely, in this is a sign for you if you are believers."

Surah Al-Ma'idah (5:110):
"When Allah will say, 'O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Holy Spirit, and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and when you taught the Scripture and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you created from clay a bird by My permission and breathed into it, and it became a bird by My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper by My permission; and when you brought forth the dead by My permission...'"


Tell me:
Who else in the universe among Men, Jinn, Angels, Houri etc that created any living thing apart from God?


Please with Islamic Evidence either from the Qur'an, the Hadith or the Tafsir, show
1. What is the islamic meaning of the Messiah (how do you know it means "the anointed one"?
2. Why only Jesus is called the Messiah?




Who said Anything about God NEEDING to become man. LOL!!
God did NOT need to become man for anything: God became human that He can be JUST and LOVING at the same time.

Muslims are theologically "mumushious"
Sin is any Violation of the "kunfayakun" of God
The punishment for Sin is ETERNITY in Hell.
God's justice does require that SIN is punished.
But God's Love require that the Sinner is set Free from the judgement of sin.

The perfect Jesus thus became our Scapegoat AND our RANSOM for the judgement of our sin for those who will believe in God's solution.


Can the Violation of the kunfayakun of Allah be undone after it had been violated by anyone?




What did Jesus say about Divorce as an instance?
Mk 10:12:
"And if a woman shall divorce her husband, and be married to another, she commits adultery.""

What does your prophet say about Divorce?
A rashly divorced woman (by her husband ) who even wants to return to her husband CANNOT even return except if another man "boreholed" her first.

Is this the same commandment?
Is this not a contradiction?

Jesus said:
John 6:44:
"No man can come to me, except the Father which has sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."

Was this also what your prophet taught?

Is this not a contradiction?

Jesus called us who believed in Him " Son's of God"
Mat 5:45:
"That you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust."
John 1:12-13:
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Whichwere born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

In contrast
Mohammed taught that Allah does NOT have children!
Is this not a contradiction?

Of course you always try to twist things if not outright mischievously misquote. Did your scripture not tell you God created things by command?

And God said, ‘Let there be light,’ and there was light.” (Genesis 1:3)

“And God said, ‘Let the earth bring forth vegetation...’ and it was so.” (Genesis 1:11)

“By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host.” (Psalm 33:6)

“For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood firm.” (Psalm 33:9)

Look to your Psalm 33:6 is this breath not what all humanity share? Tell us it is a lie that the rarity of Jesus isn't that he had no father but he has a mother. He was commanded into being to serve as a sign to the Israelites who persist in stubbornness like you after numerous prophets and signs. So you think Jesus was more difficult than Adam who was moulded from clay and didn't have a father or mother?

The spirit in Islam is something from Allah. Tell me one person that knows everything about it. Do you feign to know?

Of course you apologists refer to this story and ignore by Allah's leave. Why? Please explain why the verse doesn't say by himself?
Then if you hold unnecessarily strong to it tell us why this narration is not in your Bible?

Why did Jesus require Allah to support him with the holy spirit and not support himself with this by himself? Do you not see how what you shared in Quran 5:110 doesn't help you?

The Messiah, Isa son of Maryam, was only a messenger of Allah, His Word that He bestowed upon Maryam, and a spirit from Him.Qur’an 4:171

Notice two things:

Allah calls him al-Masih, but immediately limits his station: “only a messenger.”

Every miracle he did is stressed as bi-idhniLlāh (by Allah’s leave) never by his own autonomous power.

No other prophet in the Qur’an holds this title, as it represents a truly unique position. Isa was born without a father, spoke while still in the cradle, healed people with just a touch, raised the dead by the will of Allah, and is prophesied to return as a sign of the Hour.

The term al-Masīḥ comes from the root م-س-ح (m-s-ḥ), which encompasses several connected meanings:
To wipe, anoint, or touch (for example, مسح رأسه means he wiped over his head).
To travel widely or move quickly across the earth.

According to Lisan al-Arab, the root مسح

المَسْحُ Al-Masihu refers to passing a hand over something, wiping away, cleaning, or anointing.

مَسَحَه Masha means to touch or stroke with the hand, whether to remove dirt, sweat, or to offer a blessing.

تَمَسَّحَ Tamassaha means to wipe oneself with something or to seek a blessing (tabarruk).

This is used in Qur’an 5:6, which instructs to wipe over your heads.

Therefore, al-Masih can be understood as “the one who has received a divine anointing/touch” or “the one who wipes away affliction.”

The significance of "al-Masih" for Isa ibn Maryam is explained by scholars as follows:

He was blessed with an anointing.

He would heal the sick with his touch, by Allah’s permission.

He was a traveler who roamed the land with asceticism.

His title stands in contrast to al-Masih al-Dajjal, who is described as “wiped/obliterated in one eye,” symbolizing deformity and falsehood.

You throw your scripture away at this point? Hahaha! Isn't the common evangelical apology not For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him ..... John 3:16. Please before Jesus did God hate his creation?

Without God becoming man he is neither just or loving? Please what bunkum are you saying?

You are also saying that justice is when the obedient and deliberately arrogantly disobedient are giving the same reward. What a skewed sense of justice.

Your pathetic example on divorce is pure garbage. Do you not see the point that it's an essential warning being Divorce is one of the most hated things in the sight of Allah so letting the intending divorcees know that once divorced it is not easily undone so it isn't reduced to a thing of play.

Why did you strike out Jesus said before John 6... Is there a problem?

Does the Bible say God is father to believers in a literal sense as you play out the case of Jesus?
Well to you life is all play anyway.

TenQ:
So, tell me why you either kiss it or point your fingers to it during hajj as an act of worship (I didn't say you bow down to it)?
Does the stone intercede for you?

So, why do you kiss an ordinary black stone as an act of worship.?

Note:
An idol is a physical object that stands as an intermediary to the Deities and perform his functions

Is the black stone not your IDOL per this definition?

The Christian God is not like ANYTHING or ANYONE in creation. Thus, He can leave heave and still be in heaven while on earth he is killed but still remains alive and be a father to himself. Is there any creature that can be this at the same time?

Can you please answer my question:
Does Allah have the power to become Human and still remain Almighty?



Talk is cheap:
Other than claims, can you prove that Allah is the creator? An Indian Hindu can claim that Vishnu is the creator: is Vishnu the same as Allah?

See ehn.. this is 21st century

Have 100% knowledge about a subject you want to argue or enlighten people about.

For that same reason, talking to you will be like speaking to a wall.

End of discussion.

NeoWanZaeed:
See ehn.. this is 21st century

Have 100% knowledge about a subject you want to argue or enlighten people about.

For that same reason, talking to you will be like speaking to a wall.

End of discussion.

Just answer the simple question and don't run away. I probably known Islam Better than you

Note:
An idol is a physical object that stands as an intermediary to the Deities and perform his functions

1. Is the black stone not your IDOL per this definition?

If the Blackstone is not your Idol, Why do you kiss it during hajj?


2. Can you please answer my question:
Does Allah have the power to become Human and still remain Almighty?


I am waiting.....!

honesttalk21:
Of course you always try to twist things if not outright mischievously misquote. Did your scripture not tell you God created things by command?

And God said, ‘Let there be light,’ and there was light.” (Genesis 1:3)

“And God said, ‘Let the earth bring forth vegetation...’ and it was so.” (Genesis 1:11)

“By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host.” (Psalm 33:6)

“For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood firm.” (Psalm 33:9)

And Jesus is the Word by which EVERYTHING visible and invisible were created.

John 1:1-4:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same (Word) was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him(the Word); and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

Col 1:16-17:
"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."


Is their anyone else you know that is the Word of God?

honesttalk21:
Look to your Psalm 33:6 is this breath not what all humanity share? Tell us it is a lie that the rarity of Jesus isn't that he had no father but he has a mother. He was commanded into being to serve as a sign to the Israelites who persist in stubbornness like you after numerous prophets and signs. So you think Jesus was more difficult than Adam who was moulded from clay and didn't have a father or mother?

Always quick to manufacture conjectures.

Which of the Jews was aware that Jesus was born of a Virgin? If non was aware, how could this be a sign unto them?

honesttalk21:
The spirit in Islam is something from Allah. Tell me one person that knows everything about it. Do you feign to know?

"Something from Allah" !!!
But you don't know what a spirit is: do you?

If a spirit is just something from Allah, how come Islam's holy spirit is an Angel called Jibril?

honesttalk21:
Of course you apologists refer to this story and ignore by Allah's leave. Why? Please explain why the verse doesn't say by himself?
Then if you hold unnecessarily strong to it tell us why this narration is not in your Bible?

Why did Jesus require Allah to support him with the holy spirit and not support himself with this by himself? Do you not see how what you shared in Quran 5:110 doesn't help you?

The Messiah, Isa son of Maryam, was only a messenger of Allah, His Word that He bestowed upon Maryam, and a spirit from Him.Qur’an 4:171

Notice two things:

Allah calls him al-Masih, but immediately limits his station: “only a messenger.”

Every miracle he did is stressed as bi-idhniLlāh (by Allah’s leave) never by his own autonomous power.

No other prophet in the Qur’an holds this title, as it represents a truly unique position. Isa was born without a father, spoke while still in the cradle, healed people with just a touch, raised the dead by the will of Allah, and is prophesied to return as a sign of the Hour.

Reading even the verse with the insertion "by the permission of Allah" shows that it was an interpolation by someone trying hard to protect Islam.

Not withstanding,
Is it UNTRUE that , You have been conversing with me on Nairaland by the permission of Allah?

So, what is special with Allah's permission when you have the ability to comprehend English (because you went to school) and you have a media device by which you communicate and you bought data with which you had access and you registered on Nairaland and you chose to speak about Islam etc.
Because All this were because YOU had the Ability (Allah only did not stop you from using this ability), so you say by the permission of Allah.


Thus, even if we apply this argument to Jesus,
It means that Jesus by Himself had the Ability to Create and Give Life, ability to Heal, ability to known the hidden things etc And Allah did NOT stop Him

I had to open a new page to deal with this as Islamically, the Word Masih does not carry any connotation of ANOINTING!

honesttalk21:
The term al-Masīḥ comes from the root م-س-ح (m-s-ḥ), which encompasses several connected meanings:
To wipe, anoint, or touch (for example, مسح رأسه means he wiped over his head).
To travel widely or move quickly across the earth.

According to Lisan al-Arab, the root مسح

المَسْحُ Al-Masihu refers to passing a hand over something, wiping away, cleaning, or anointing.

مَسَحَه Masha means to touch or stroke with the hand, whether to remove dirt, sweat, or to offer a blessing.

تَمَسَّحَ Tamassaha means to wipe oneself with something or to seek a blessing (tabarruk).

This is used in Qur’an 5:6, which instructs to wipe over your heads.

Therefore, al-Masih can be understood as “the one who has received a divine anointing/touch” or “the one who wipes away affliction.”

The significance of "al-Masih" for Isa ibn Maryam is explained by scholars as follows:

He was blessed with an anointing.

He would heal the sick with his touch, by Allah’s permission.

He was a traveler who roamed the land with asceticism.

The Arabic root "م-س-ح" (m-s-ḥ) primarily means:

*To wipe, rub, or stroke with the hand or a similar motion.
*To clean by wiping or sweeping.
*To survey or scan, as in measuring an area.

Derived words include:
مَسَحَ (masaḥa): The verb "to wipe" or "to rub."
مَسْح (masḥ): The noun form, meaning "wiping," "survey," or "scanning."
مِسَاحَة (misāḥa): "Area" or "surface," related to measuring or scanning.
مَاسِح (māsiḥ): An active participle meaning "one who wipes" or "surveyor."
مَمْسُوح (mamsūḥ): Passive participle meaning "wiped."

To Anointing means to CHOSEN symbolised by Pouring OIL on the head of the person (NOT touching or Wiping or Rubbing)

It is a Jewish religious practice to Anoint a person for service to God as a Priest or a King or a Prophet: meaning that the person Carries the embodiment of God's Spirit upon themselves.

Don't snuggle in words that are not in the definition. Just say that Islam doesn't know the meaning of Messiah!

honesttalk21:
His title stands in contrast to al-Masih al-Dajjal, who is described as “wiped/obliterated in one eye,” symbolizing deformity and falsehood.

Was the Dajjal also anointed?
Was Jesus wiped or obliterated anywhere to qualify for your definition?

Why did your prophet compared the Dajjal with Allah instead of with Jesus the Messiah?

honesttalk21:
You throw your scripture away at this point? Hahaha! Isn't the common evangelical apology not For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him ..... John 3:16. Please before Jesus did God hate his creation?

Without God becoming man he is neither just or loving? Please what bunkum are you saying?

You are also saying that justice is when the obedient and deliberately arrogantly disobedient are giving the same reward. What a skewed sense of justice.

Good that you know John 3:16 for this is the core of the Gospel. Reject it to your damnation!

You asked:
Please before Jesus did God hate his creation?

You miss the point:
1. It was because of God's love for humans that He sent Jesus to be the ransom of whoever will believe
2. The sacrifice of Jesus even covered those who died at the time of Noah
1Pet 3:18-20:
"For Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison (hell); Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

Sorry, Gods love is DEEP for humans that He could do the unthinkable that the violation of his kunfayakun will not result in our just punishment.

Does Allah love non-muslims?

honesttalk21:
Your pathetic example on divorce is pure garbage. Do you not see the point that it's an essential warning being Divorce is one of the most hated things in the sight of Allah so letting the intending divorcees know that once divorced it is not easily undone so it isn't reduced to a thing of play.

Unfortunately, you did not see the logical and moral disaster your prophet created with this.

Let me show you:
1. A righteous Muslim woman married a Muslim man with a short temper and she truly loves her husband.
2. One day, this man (without evidence) accused his wife of an offence and in anger, he pronounced divorce THREE times on his wife
3. Two days later, he discovered that he was in error and the wife that loves him is gone
4. According to Islam as allowed by Allah, this lovely obedient wife cannot go back to her husband for it is haram.
5. In Islamic wisdom, the woman must be "boreholed" by another willing Muslim who will marry her so that he can divorce her after.

What is the WISDOM in this my Brother?

honesttalk21:
Why did you strike out Jesus said before John 6... Is there a problem?

Does the Bible say God is father to believers in a literal sense as you play out the case of Jesus?
Well to you life is all play anyway.

It was supposed to be underlined an error that could trigger the post being deleted by Nairaland bots.

Did ANY Christian EVER use the Sonship of God in a LITERAL sense?

Sonship of God is a Descriptive Qualifier for anyone that is Of God!

If the Father is YHWH
And the Holy Spirit is YHWH
And Jesus the Word is YHWH

How can Jesus be a LITERAL son (biologically or spiritually)?

At the other hand, Jesus calls Himself the Son of God here on earth because Anyone who caused a woman to pregnant of a child is the FATHER of that Child!

What do you call the Man (respectfully) who made you Mother pregnant with you?


In Islam, what is the name of the Being who made Mary Pregnant of Jesus?
Is this not the Father of Jesus?

Sorry, even if you hate this truth, it is the truth!

TenQ:
And Jesus is the Word by which EVERYTHING visible and invisible were created.

John 1:1-4:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same (Word) was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him(the Word); and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

Col 1:16-17:
"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."


Is their anyone else you know that is the Word of God?



Always quick to manufacture conjectures.

Which of the Jews was aware that Jesus was born of a Virgin? If non was aware, how could this be a sign unto them?



"Something from Allah" !!!
But you don't know what a spirit is: do you?

If a spirit is just something from Allah, how come Islam's holy spirit is an Angel called Jibril?





Reading even the verse with the insertion "by the permission of Allah" shows that it was an interpolation by someone trying hard to protect Islam.

Not withstanding,
Is it UNTRUE that , You have been conversing with me on Nairaland by the permission of Allah?

So, what is special with Allah's permission when you have the ability to comprehend English (because you went to school) and you have a media device by which you communicate and you bought data with which you had access and you registered on Nairaland and you chose to speak about Islam etc.
Because All this were because YOU had the Ability (Allah only did not stop you from using this ability), so you say by the permission of Allah.


Thus, even if we apply this argument to Jesus,
It means that Jesus by Himself had the Ability to Create and Give Life, ability to Heal, ability to known the hidden things etc And Allah did NOT stop Him

Some Christians often reference John 1:1 and Colossians 1:16 to support the idea that Jesus is the eternal Word of God, the one through whom everything came into being. However, if we take a closer look, the reality becomes much clearer.

The Greek term "Logos" simply translates to word, speech, or expression. Interestingly, the Qur’an also refers to Jesus as "Kalimatun minhu," which means a Word from Allah, but that doesn’t imply he is God. It signifies that he was created by God’s command, “Be.” Allah Himself states: “Indeed, the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him: Be, and he was” (Qur’an 3:59). If being a “Word of God” equates to divinity, then Adam, who had no father or mother, would hold an even higher status.

When it comes to Jesus’ miracles, they don’t necessarily indicate divinity. The Qur’an recounts how he fashioned a bird from clay and breathed life into it, but it emphasizes that this was done bi idhnillāh “by Allah’s permission.” Do you say this isn't in the Arabic of the Qur'an or claim it's absence in your misconstrued versions?
Moses parted the sea, Abraham was saved from fire, and Muhammad pbuh split the moon yet none of them were gods. Miracles serve as demonstrations of God’s power, not evidence of godhood.

Regarding the virgin birth, the true testament wasn’t in some hidden biological miracle but in the baby Jesus speaking from the cradle, declaring: “Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet” (Qur’an 19:30). Right from the start, Jesus proclaimed his servitude to God, not his equality with Him.

Christians also refer to Jesus as the Son of God. However, the Bible itself refers to Adam as the son of God, Israel as God’s firstborn son, and the righteous as sons of God. Clearly, this is metaphorical, indicating a closeness to God rather than literal divinity. The Qur’an clarifies this confusion: “Say: He is Allah, One. Allah, the Eternal. He neither begets nor is begotten” (Qur’an 112:1–3). Asking who fathered Jesus is akin to asking who fathered Adam – both were created by God without human fathers.

TenQ:
I had to open a new page to deal with this as Islamically, the Word Masih does not carry any connotation of ANOINTING!


The Arabic root "م-س-ح" (m-s-ḥ) primarily means:

*To wipe, rub, or stroke with the hand or a similar motion.
*To clean by wiping or sweeping.
*To survey or scan, as in measuring an area.

Derived words include:
مَسَحَ (masaḥa): The verb "to wipe" or "to rub."
مَسْح (masḥ): The noun form, meaning "wiping," "survey," or "scanning."
مِسَاحَة (misāḥa): "Area" or "surface," related to measuring or scanning.
مَاسِح (māsiḥ): An active participle meaning "one who wipes" or "surveyor."
مَمْسُوح (mamsūḥ): Passive participle meaning "wiped."

To Anointing means to CHOSEN symbolised by Pouring OIL on the head of the person (NOT touching or Wiping or Rubbing)

It is a Jewish religious practice to Anoint a person for service to God as a Priest or a King or a Prophet: meaning that the person Carries the embodiment of God's Spirit upon themselves.

Don't snuggle in words that are not in the definition. Just say that Islam doesn't know the meaning of Messiah!



Was the Dajjal also anointed?
Was Jesus wiped or obliterated anywhere to qualify for your definition?

Why did your prophet compared the Dajjal with Allah instead of with Jesus the Messiah?



Good that you know John 3:16 for this is the core of the Gospel. Reject it to your damnation!

You asked:
Please before Jesus did God hate his creation?

You miss the point:
1. It was because of God's love for humans that He sent Jesus to be the ransom of whoever will believe
2. The sacrifice of Jesus even covered those who died at the time of Noah
1Pet 3:18-20:
"For Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison (hell); Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

Sorry, Gods love is DEEP for humans that He could do the unthinkable that the violation of his kunfayakun will not result in our just punishment.

Does Allah love non-muslims?


Unfortunately, you did not see the logical and moral disaster your prophet created with this.

Let me show you:
1. A righteous Muslim woman married a Muslim man with a short temper and she truly loves her husband.
2. One day, this man (without evidence) accused his wife of an offence and in anger, he pronounced divorce THREE times on his wife
3. Two days later, he discovered that he was in error and the wife that loves him is gone
4. According to Islam as allowed by Allah, this lovely obedient wife cannot go back to her husband for it is haram.
5. In Islamic wisdom, the woman must be "boreholed" by another willing Muslim who will marry her so that he can divorce her after.

What is the WISDOM in this my Brother?



It was supposed to be underlined an error that could trigger the post being deleted by Nairaland bots.

Did ANY Christian EVER use the Sonship of God in a LITERAL sense?

Sonship of God is a Descriptive Qualifier for anyone that is Of God!

If the Father is YHWH
And the Holy Spirit is YHWH
And Jesus the Word is YHWH

How can Jesus be a LITERAL son (biologically or spiritually)?

At the other hand, Jesus calls Himself the Son of God here on earth because Anyone who caused a woman to pregnant of a child is the FATHER of that Child!

What do you call the Man (respectfully) who made you Mother pregnant with you?


In Islam, what is the name of the Being who made Mary Pregnant of Jesus?
Is this not the Father of Jesus?

Sorry, even if you hate this truth, it is the truth!

Even the idea that God’s love necessitated Him becoming flesh is a bit off the mark. In Islam, it’s taught that Allah’s mercy extends to everyone. He cares for both believers and non-believers, the thankful and the ungrateful alike. However, His special love is reserved for those who choose to follow His guidance. Love doesn’t imply that God has to diminish Himself to connect with humanity; rather, it signifies that He elevates humanity through revelation and forgiveness.

So, who exactly was Jesus? He was a Word from Allah, but not the eternal Word. He was a spirit created by Allah, distinct from Allah Himself. He was the Messiah, endowed with miracles, yet never considered divine. He stated, “I am the servant of Allah.” The Qur’an cautions: “They have disbelieved who say, ‘Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary.’ Say: Who has power to prevent Allah if He willed to destroy the Messiah, son of Mary, his mother, and everyone on earth?” (Qur’an 5:17).

In Islam, Jesus is revered as a prophet, a sign, and a servant of Allah – all while maintaining the purity of God’s oneness. This is the essence of balance: to love and follow Jesus without elevating him to the status of God.

TenQ:
Don't snuggle in words that are not in the definition. Just say that Islam doesn't know the meaning of Messiah!



Was the Dajjal also anointed?
Was Jesus wiped or obliterated anywhere to qualify for your definition?

Why did your prophet compared the Dajjal with Allah instead of with Jesus the Messiah?



Good that you know John 3:16 for this is the core of the Gospel. Reject it to your damnation!

You asked:
Please before Jesus did God hate his creation?

You miss the point:
1. It was because of God's love for humans that He sent Jesus to be the ransom of whoever will believe
2. The sacrifice of Jesus even covered those who died at the time of Noah
1Pet 3:18-20:
"For Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison (hell); Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

Sorry, Gods love is DEEP for humans that He could do the unthinkable that the violation of his kunfayakun will not result in our just punishment.

Does Allah love non-muslims?


Unfortunately, you did not see the logical and moral disaster your prophet created with this.

Let me show you:
1. A righteous Muslim woman married a Muslim man with a short temper and she truly loves her husband.
2. One day, this man (without evidence) accused his wife of an offence and in anger, he pronounced divorce THREE times on his wife
3. Two days later, he discovered that he was in error and the wife that loves him is gone
4. According to Islam as allowed by Allah, this lovely obedient wife cannot go back to her husband for it is haram.
5. In Islamic wisdom, the woman must be "boreholed" by another willing Muslim who will marry her so that he can divorce her after.

What is the WISDOM in this my Brother?



It was supposed to be underlined an error that could trigger the post being deleted by Nairaland bots.

Did ANY Christian EVER use the Sonship of God in a LITERAL sense?

Sonship of God is a Descriptive Qualifier for anyone that is Of God!

If the Father is YHWH
And the Holy Spirit is YHWH
And Jesus the Word is YHWH

How can Jesus be a LITERAL son (biologically or spiritually)?

At the other hand, Jesus calls Himself the Son of God here on earth because Anyone who caused a woman to pregnant of a child is the FATHER of that Child!

What do you call the Man (respectfully) who made you Mother pregnant with you?


In Islam, what is the name of the Being who made Mary Pregnant of Jesus?
Is this not the Father of Jesus?

Sorry, even if you hate this truth, it is the truth!

Even in discussions about legal matters, some critics take issue with Islam’s divorce rules, labeling them as harsh. However, the stipulation that a husband who hastily divorces his wife three times cannot immediately take her back is actually a protective measure, not an act of cruelty. It ensures that marriage isn’t treated like a game played out of anger and regret. The Prophet pbuh spoke out against the practice of declaring a triple divorce all at once, emphasizing that this law is meant to prevent abuse rather than create injustice.

On another note, the Christian assertion that Jesus is the Word made flesh ultimately falls apart under scrutiny. If “Word of God” refers to divine essence, then figures like Adam, angels, and even the universe itself created by God’s command would also share in that divinity. If miracles are what establish godhood, then we’d have to consider Moses and Elijah as gods too. The phrase “Son of God” poses its own contradictions; if taken literally, it clashes with scripture, and if seen as metaphorical, it loses its impact. The Qur’an brings back a sense of balance by recognizing Jesus as the Messiah, a servant, a prophet, and a sign but never as God.

If indeed you are honest, present your findings on the Aramaic and Hebrew of John 1 and show that the phrase translating to bi-idhniLlah isn't in the Arabic of the Qur'an verses of Jesus 's miracles.

honesttalk21:
Some Christians often reference John 1:1 and Colossians 1:16 to support the idea that Jesus is the eternal Word of God, the one through whom everything came into being. However, if we take a closer look, the reality becomes much clearer.

The Greek term "Logos" simply translates to word, speech, or expression. Interestingly, the Qur’an also refers to Jesus as "Kalimatun minhu," which means a Word from Allah, but that doesn’t imply he is God. It signifies that he was created by God’s command, “Be.” Allah Himself states: “Indeed, the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him: Be, and he was” (Qur’an 3:59). If being a “Word of God” equates to divinity, then Adam, who had no father or mother, would hold an even higher status.

When it comes to Jesus’ miracles, they don’t necessarily indicate divinity. The Qur’an recounts how he fashioned a bird from clay and breathed life into it, but it emphasizes that this was done bi idhnillāh “by Allah’s permission.” Do you say this isn't in the Arabic of the Qur'an or claim it's absence in your misconstrued versions?
Moses parted the sea, Abraham was saved from fire, and Muhammad pbuh split the moon yet none of them were gods. Miracles serve as demonstrations of God’s power, not evidence of godhood.

Regarding the virgin birth, the true testament wasn’t in some hidden biological miracle but in the baby Jesus speaking from the cradle, declaring: “Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet” (Qur’an 19:30). Right from the start, Jesus proclaimed his servitude to God, not his equality with Him.

Christians also refer to Jesus as the Son of God. However, the Bible itself refers to Adam as the son of God, Israel as God’s firstborn son, and the righteous as sons of God. Clearly, this is metaphorical, indicating a closeness to God rather than literal divinity. The Qur’an clarifies this confusion: “Say: He is Allah, One. Allah, the Eternal. He neither begets nor is begotten” (Qur’an 112:1–3). Asking who fathered Jesus is akin to asking who fathered Adam – both were created by God without human fathers.

- While the Greek term "Logos" in John 1:1 translates to word, speech, or expression, sincerity requires that you don't take it out of context and impose a vague Islamic misinterpretation on the word in isolation.

The trinity of God is so similar to the trinity of man in which the Spirit, Soul and Body function intricately together in synergy. Jesus is the word of God, like the soul, He serves as the speech, voice or word of God. He is also referred to as the message bearer (messenger) of the Lord, all pointing to Him as finctioning in informative an communicative roles, just as the Holy Spirit playa the DOING ror.Jesus functions all over the Bible in the above named roles.

- Spoken word: "God said" Genesis 1:3
It was by the Spoken Word, Jesus, that God made all things. The Speech par of God may be liked to the Soul of a man. Your Body is you. Your Spirit is you. Your soul is you.

God's Spirit is God. God's Word is God.

- Miracles? We've said it before that the miracles is not a sign that he God, but a sign that they should believe He is from heaven. When the Israelites saw the miracles, they wondered " could this be the son of David?".

- We know that Muhammed performed no miracles, hence, people doubed his prophethood and new he was false.

- Jesus as a Son of God is incomparable to that of no man. In addition to being son of God (no human father), he is also Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6). Adam was simply the first human being.

-- Still no prove that Muhammed, Mecca, Hajj and the Quran existed when the Islamic tradition claim they did. Lets go back to our topic.

Lets stay on the topic.

Provide evidence or reference from non-Islamic source of the time:
1. Mecca existed from the days of Adam, Abraham, etc.
2. That there was pilgrimage to Mecca from the days of the above prophets.
3. That the full compiled Quran existed in the 600+ AD.
4. That the Muhammed of Islam, as Muslims claim today, existed in the 7th century.

That's the topic.

butterfly777:
- While the Greek term "Logos" in John 1:1 translates to word, speech, or expression, sincerity requires that you don't take it out of context and impose a vague Islamic misinterpretation on the word in isolation.

The trinity of God is so similar to the trinity of man in which the Spirit, Soul and Body function intricately together in synergy. Jesus is the word of God, like the soul, He serves as the speech, voice or word of God. He is also referred to as the message bearer (messenger) of the Lord, all pointing to Him as finctioning in informative an communicative roles, just as the Holy Spirit playa the DOING ror.Jesus functions all over the Bible in the above named roles.

- Spoken word: "God said" Genesis 1:3
It was by the Spoken Word, Jesus, that God made all things. The Speech par of God may be liked to the Soul of a man. Your Body is you. Your Spirit is you. Your soul is you.

God's Spirit is God. God's Word is God.

- Miracles? We've said it before that the miracles is not a sign that he God, but a sign that they should believe He is from heaven. When the Israelites saw the miracles, they wondered " could this be the son of David?".

- We know that Muhammed performed no miracles, hence, people doubed his prophethood and new he was false.

- Jesus as a Son of God is incomparable to that of no man. In addition to being son of God (no human father), he is also Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6). Adam was simply the first human being.

-- Still no prove that Muhammed, Mecca, Hajj and the Quran existed when the Islamic tradition claim they did. Lets go back to our topic.

The Greek term "Logos" translates to word, speech, reason, or command. This concept was widely used in philosophy long before the advent of Christianity, particularly in Stoic philosophy and in the works of the Jewish thinker Philo of Alexandria. For Philo, Logos represented God's creative force or wisdom, rather than a distinct person who is equal to God.

So, when John refers to Logos, he’s tapping into this philosophical context; it signifies God's expression or command that brings order to the cosmos. Interpreting this as a literal person on par with God imposes later Trinitarian ideas onto the text.

If Logos truly indicates that Jesus is God, then we would expect Jesus to always act and speak as God does. However, the Bible portrays him as being dependent:

Jesus states, The Father is greater than I in John 14:28. He prays to God (Matthew 26:39).

He acknowledges his lack of knowledge: “Of that day or hour no one knows, not even the Son, but only the Father” (Mark 13:32).

After his resurrection, he says, “I ascend to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God” (John 20:17).

butterfly777:
Lets stay on the topic.

Provide evidence or reference from non-Islamic source of the time:
1. Mecca existed from the days of Adam, Abraham, etc.
2. That there was pilgrimage to Mecca from the days of the above prophets.
3. That the full compiled Quran existed in the 600+ AD.
4. That the Muhammed of Islam, as Muslims claim today, existed in the 7th century.

That's the topic.

If he were truly the eternal Logos-God, how could he have a God above him? Clearly, the Logos in John 1:1 cannot simply be equated with Jesus as God.

A human being, even with body, soul, and spirit, is still one person. These components aren’t separate conscious beings that communicate, love, or send messages to one another. My soul can’t say to my body, "I will send you," nor can my spirit pray to my soul. They are just different aspects of a single created being

Your brother diverged from your topic.

I had responded to you earlier but you didn't categorically prove the non Islamic reports as false or did you? Unintended repeat now.

Historical accounts of Muhammad's existence from non-Muslim sources that were around during his time:

The Doctrina Jacobic (634–640 CE) is a Christian text that mentions a prophet among the Saracens.

The Armenian Chronicle of Sebeos, written around the 660s CE, describes Mahmet as a merchant who became a preacher, promoting monotheism and prohibiting wine, carrion, and lies.

Thomas the Presbyter, around 640 CE, talks about a battle between Muhammad's Arabs and the Romans near Gaza, marking one of the earliest mentions of Muhammad.

A Syriac note found in a Gospel manuscript after 636 CE records the Arab conquest in Muhammad's name, providing a contemporary reference.

By the 690s, coins and inscriptions were boldly declaring “Muhammad is the Messenger of God,” highlighting his growing significance by that time.

These various external sources Christian writings, inscriptions, and coins together confirm that Muhammad was indeed a real historical figure.