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If someone dies… but knows they’ll be back in three days… is that really a sacrifice?

Think about it. The power of sacrifice is in the finality — in losing something forever. But if Jesus knew His death was temporary, was it still a sacrifice? Or was it… just a weekend trip to the grave?

That’s a question many Christians avoid, but let’s be honest — it’s a valid one.

If I lay down my life to save my community, I don't get it back later. I've lost it forever. End of story!

Just like Princess Inikpi of the Igala kingdom who gave her life in order to save her people from imminent conquer by the enemy. Till today, Inikpi remains dead. Her sacrifice was final. She's never getting her life back. She permanently gave it up for her people.

But Jesus knew his death was only TEMPORARY. He knew he would rise up in only three days and go to heaven. Where was the finality in that? Were was the sacrifice?

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If you know that planting your seeds will leave you with none to eat now and you will go hungry for many months but you are sure that the harvest after the many months will be bounty, does the bounty harvest mean you have not made a sacrifice?

Your parents spent their income on you instead of using it to feed well or change clothes. Today, you are probably taking care of your parents and they knew when they were making the investment that time would come when you would take good care of them. But does it mean that your parents did not make sacrifices for you?

It is just a weekend getaway.
It is not a sacrifice.....nothing was lost.

immortalcrown:
If you know that planting your seeds will leave you with none to eat now and you will go hungry for many months but you are sure that the harvest after the many months will be bounty, does the bounty harvest mean you have not made a sacrifice?

Your parents spent their income on you instead of using it to feed well or change clothes. Today, you are probably taking care of your parents and they knew when they were making the investment that time would come when you would take good care of them. But does it mean that your parents did not make sacrifices for you?

Frankly, with all due respect, stupid analogy.
What you ought say are:
1) His humiliation and extreme torture and suffering, not just the death
2) He gave up his EARTHLY life. Like everybody on earth he wanted to keep on living his earthly life, maybe get married, have children, etc. Even when he resurrected it was different - his disciples knew it was him but could no longer physically recognize him. He gave up that life and that is HUGE indeed!

Dtruthspeaker:
So when you plant knowing that you would harvest therefore, we should say that you have not planted?

See my comment to the guy above. Same to you

DoctorStanley:
Frankly, with all due respect, stupid analogy.
What you ought say are:
1) His humiliation and extreme torture and suffering, not just the death
2) He gave up his EARTHLY life. Like everybody on earth he wanted to keep on living his earthly life, maybe get married, have children, etc. Even when he resurrected it was different - his disciples knew it was him but could no longer physically recognize him. He gave up that life and that is HUGE indeed!

The commander in chief of all the armies in heaven to be ridiculed by mere humans, accused, arrested, charged, arraigned, judged, sentenced and executed all on the accusation that he blasphemed his father the same person for whom he had so much love and respect.

Surely that was the greatest sacrifice of all time!

MaxInDHouse:
The commander in chief of all the armies in heaven to be ridiculed by mere humans, accused, arrested, charged, arraigned, judged, sentenced and executed all on the accusation that he blasphemed his father the same person for whom he had so much love and respect.

Surely that was the greatest sacrifice of all time!

Correct. But you have to go and add your kooky JW angle.
Where did Christ or any of his followers tell you that he is "the commander in chief of all the armies in heaven"??

DoctorStanley:
Correct. But you have to go and add your kooky JW angle.
Where did Christ or any of his followers tell you that he is "the commander in chief of all the armies in heaven"??

“When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne." Matthew 25:31
For the Son of man is to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will repay each one according to his behavior. Matthew 16:27

Who is the son of man in these verses?

I saw heaven opened, and look! a white horse. And the one seated on it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness.  His eyes are a fiery flame, and on his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself,  and he is clothed with an outer garment stained with blood, and he is called by the name The Word of God. Also, the armies in heaven were following him on white horses, and they were clothed in white, clean, fine linen. Revelations 19:11-14

Who did John saw here called the word of God?

Leviticus 17:11 NLT says, "For the life of a body is its blood. I have given you the blood on the altar to purify you, making you right with the Lord. It is the blood, given in exchange for a life, that makes purification possible."

When the Scriptures say He gave his life, Jesus emptied His blood on the altar for us - every single ounce was poured out. When the soldier pierced his side in John 19:34, it was recorded that water and blood flowed out. This was the same side He told Thomas to put His hands into (John 20:27) when Thomas doubted if it really was Jesus. If there was still blood in his body, blood would have been dripping everywhere when He stood in the room with them with His resurrected body.

So what gave life back to His body then? The power of the Holy Spirit! Romans 8:11 says The Holy Spirit gave life to His body and raised Jesus back to life. Hence, it wasn't blood sustaining Him anymore but the Spirit of God. Why was he raised back to life then? It was done for our justification (Romans 4:25). I'll explain.

You see, our salvation and victory today couldn't have come from just the death of Jesus Christ. His death was to pay for the sins of the world, defeat death and break the power of the devil who had the power of death (because sin brought death - Romans 5:12). But it was only by rising from the dead that we could rise with Him, receive His life of righteousness (Romans 5:17) and be seated with Him in the heavenly realms far above all principalities and powers (Ephesians 2:6). That's where the victory lies.

If He didn't rise, there would be no victory. There'll be no eternal life either. A believer would have no dominion over Satan. We were chosen in Him from the beginning (Ephesians 1:4), so when He came to Earth and died, we died with Him. When He was buried, we were buried with Him. When he rose, we rose with Him. That's the beauty of the Good news! I pray whoever reads this understands.

The sacrifice is in the death. It is not giving to a spirit - being to die.


That death gangan is the sacrifice.

MaxInDHouse:
“When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne." Matthew 25:31
For the Son of man is to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will repay each one according to his behavior. Matthew 16:27

Who is the son of man in these verses?

I saw heaven opened, and look! a white horse. And the one seated on it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness.  His eyes are a fiery flame, and on his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself,  and he is clothed with an outer garment stained with blood, and he is called by the name The Word of God. Also, the armies in heaven were following him on white horses, and they were clothed in white, clean, fine linen. Revelations 19:11-14

Who did John saw here called the word of God?

So in your mind the Jesus Christ you know and follow is a warring "commander in chief of armies"?
How do you reconcile that with "Prince of Peace", "turn the other cheek", "son of the living God", "Meek and mild" "pray for your enemies", etc.

WeAfrique:
If someone dies… but knows they’ll be back in three days… is that really a sacrifice?...]

So when you plant knowing that you would harvest therefore, we should say that you have not planted?

DoctorStanley:
So in your mind the Jesus Christ you know and follow is a warring "commander in chief of armies"?
How do you reconcile that with "Prince of Peace", "turn the other cheek", "son of the living God", "Meek and mild" "pray for your enemies", etc.

When army and police rescue your father from kidnappers den, did you not thank them for giving you peace?

Peace is on the other side of War!

DoctorStanley:
So in your mind the Jesus Christ you know and follow is a warring "commander in chief of armies"?
How do you reconcile that with "Prince of Peace", "turn the other cheek", "son of the living God", "Meek and mild" "pray for your enemies", etc.

Why are you avoiding the simple question?

Who is the person spoken of in those verses?

MaxInDHouse:
Why are you avoiding the simple question?

Who is the person spoken of in those verses?

I'd answer with a question. Do you kmow Revelation was almost not included in the Bible and initially was not, and do you know Christ Himself told us who he was and his function in heaven and that non of it had anything to do with "armies"?

DoctorStanley:
..Frankly, with all. Even when he resurrected it was different - his disciples knew it was him but could no longer physically recognize him. He gave up that life and that is HUGE indeed!

See my comment to the guy above. Same to you

Hmm!

The argument enter sha. I find no fallt with it.

However, I do not agree with it by only 2% because He must be different after death exactly as even we too will be different after we die. So I think you are looking at the wrong end of the rope.

The sacrifice was done at the beginning eg His leaving The Throne, coming down become as a weak human being, disgracefully born in an animal house, (He no even get hotel or hospital)...

Even before He was murdered, He had already sacrificed a Lot.

DoctorStanley:
I'd answer with a question. Do you kmow Revelation was almost not included in the Bible and initially was not, and do you know Christ Himself told us who he was and his function in heaven and that non of it had anything to do with "armies"?

You only need a free home Bible study with Jehovah's Witnesses so that you can understand all these things.

Regarding what Jesus said about himself read this:

"Moreover, bring these enemies of mine here who did not want me to become king over them and execute them in front of me." Luke 19:27

That is Jesus himself telling you there's no peace between light and darkness, truth and falsehood.

MaxInDHouse:
You only need a free home Bible study with Jehovah's Witnesses so that you can understand all these things.

Regarding what Jesus said about himself read this:

"Moreover, bring these enemies of mine here who did not want me to become king over them and execute them in front of me." Luke 19:27

That is Jesus himself telling you there's no peace between light and darkness, truth and falsehood.

Funny JW guy, he went and brought what was said in a parable. A parable!
Below is what Jesus said his role in heaven is, nothing in it has anything to do with armies!

DoctorStanley:
Funny JW guy, he went and brought what was said in a parable. A parable!
Below is what Jesus said his role in heaven is, nothing in it has anything to do with armies!

Well if you want to know why Jesus is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} all you need is a free home Bible study.

Jesus will kill all the enemies of God he is the executioner who is coming to destroy all evildoers.

His role as the Prince of Peace is to teach or counsel faithful people on how we can make peace among ourselves that's why you can't hear of military service among us! Isaiah 2:2-4

MaxInDHouse:
Well if you want to know why Jesus is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} all you need is a free home Bible study.

Jesus will kill all the enemies of God he is the executioner who is coming to destroy all evildoers.

His role as the Prince of Peace is to teach or counsel faithful people on how we can make peace among ourselves that's why you can't hear of military service among us! Isaiah 2:2-4

😅"you can't hear of military service among us!" Yet the person you claim to be following is all about war (according to u) and goes about commanding armies!

DoctorStanley:
😅"you can't hear of military service among us!" Yet the person you claim to be following is all about war (according to u) and goes about commanding armies!

OK, now i know who you are.

Jesus is coming to destroy faithless people but among God's servants there must be peace!

MaxInDHouse:
OK, now i know who you are.

Jesus is coming to destroy faithless people but among God's servants there must be peace!

Now I know who you are too.
Why not simply accept that Christ is not about commanding any armies??

DoctorStanley:
Now I know who you are too.
Why not simply accept that Christ is not about commanding any armies??

Jesus is a king who must work hard for the Peace and Security of his subjects so in the process of securing the lives of his obedient subjects rebellious ones must be cut off! Psalms 37:9-11
Whether you agree or not that's what the Bible says about Jesus the anointed king of God's Kingdom!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus is a king who must work hard for the Peace and Security of his subjects so in the process of securing the lives of his obedient subjects rebellious ones must be cut off! Psalms 37:9-11
Whether you agree or not that's what the Bible says about Jesus the anointed king of God's Kingdom!

Yet this is the same person by whom the entire universe was created by mere words, who raised the dead by mere words. Now he has to command armies to get rid of people! You people should try to think sometimes!

DoctorStanley:
Yet this is the same person by whom the entire universe was created by mere words, who raised the dead by mere words. Now he has to command armies to get rid of people! You people should try to think sometimes!

Get rid of evildoers! Psalms 37:9-10

Don't forget to add that!

MaxInDHouse:
Get rid of evildoers! Psalms 37:9-10

Don't forget to add that!

He could raise dead with mere words but needs to command armies to get rid of evil doers!😆
Wow!

WeAfrique:
If someone dies… but knows they’ll be back in three days… is that really a sacrifice?

Think about it. The power of sacrifice is in the finality — in losing something forever. But if Jesus knew His death was temporary, was it still a sacrifice? Or was it… just a weekend trip to the grave?

That’s a question many Christians avoid, but let’s be honest — it’s a valid one.

If I lay down my life to save my community, I don't get it back later. I've lost it forever. End of story!

Just like Princess Inikpi of the Igala kingdom who gave her life in order to save her people from imminent conquer by the enemy. Till today, Inikpi remains dead. Her sacrifice was final. She's never getting her life back. She permanently gave it up for her people.

But Jesus knew his death was only TEMPORARY. He knew he would rise up in only three days and go to heaven. Where was the finality in that? Were was the sacrifice?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzImnEu6h70&t=106s[/flash]

The death of Jesus was indeed a sacrifice. His resurrection didn't nullify the sacrifice, rather it was the ultimate goal of the sacrifice.

When Adam sinned, mankind became death spiritually and eternally damned. No way of escape, no hope of resurrection, no hope of redemption.

But Jesus came to our rescue. He paid the ultimate sacrifice, by shedding his blood. His resurrection was a proof of the victory over power of darkness. If he didn't resurrect, his sacrifice was useless because it means mankind will still be under the dominion of darkness.

In addition, Jesus coming down alone from heaven to take up the nature of man was a very great sacrifice.

Again, he died the death of a criminal.

Besides, he was beaten and humiliated. The pains of the nails that pierced through his hands and legs was a great sacrifice.

And he did all these for all mankind.

Those who accept him as Lord and Saviour will be saved. Those who reject this free gift of salvation will be eternally damned.

DoctorStanley:
He could raise dead with mere words but needs to command armies to get rid of evil doers!😆 Wow!

If you are an atheist come out openly to speak against God's word the Bible says Jesus will lead heavenly armies to destroy evildoers blood was mentioned {Revelations 19:11-16} and he himself said he will command his armies to kill all his opposers before him! Luke 19:27

If you have anytime against the Bible you don't have to pretend no one will flog you!

MaxInDHouse:
If you are an atheist come out openly to speak against God's word the Bible says Jesus will lead heavenly armies to destroy evildoers blood was mentioned {Revelations 19:11-16} and he himself said he will command his armies to kill all his opposers before him! Luke 19:27

If you have anytime against the Bible you don't have to pretend no one will flog you!

That's the problem you JW have. You always try to insert the kooky JW angle.
Jesus called himself the Son of the living God
Instead of simply writing:
"The Son of the living God to be ridiculed by mere humans"
Instead you simply had to write kooky JW:
"The commander in chief of all the armies in heaven to be ridiculed by mere humans"
That's how you JW get in trouble.
You reduce Lord Jesus who merely said things and they happened, to a mere commander of army!

DoctorStanley:
That's the problem you JW have. You always try to insert the kooky JW angle.
Jesus called himself the Son of the living God
Instead of simply writing:
"The Son of the living God to be ridiculed by mere humans"
Instead you simply had to write kooky JW:
"The commander in chief of all the armies in heaven to be ridiculed by mere humans"
That's how you JW get in trouble.
You reduce Lord Jesus who merely said things and they happened, to a mere commander of army!

Guy your grievances against Jehovah's Witnesses is noted but you can't prove whatever Jehovah's Witnesses say wrong because you don't have the knowledge to do so.

Donald Trump is the president of U.S.A. we all know that he is the commander in chief of all the armies in his country.

So as the anointed King of God's Kingdom who is sitting on the throne of his father King David {Isaiah 9:7} can you prove that Jesus who said all power both in heaven and on earth has been given to him {Matthew 28:18} and that heavenly armies are his attendants isn't the commander in chief of all the armies in heaven?

MaxInDHouse:
Guy your grievances against Jehovah's Witnesses is noted but you can't prove whatever Jehovah's Witnesses say wrong because you don't have the knowledge to do so.

Donald Trump is the president of U.S.A. we all know that he is the commander in chief of all the armies in his country.

So as the anointed King of God's Kingdom who is sitting on the throne of his father King David {Isaiah 9:7} can you prove that Jesus who said all power both in heaven and on earth has been given to him {Matthew 28:18} and that heavenly armies are his attendants isn't the commander in chief of all the armies in heaven?

Someone who can say things and they happen doesn't have to command any army!

DoctorStanley:
Someone who can say things and they happen doesn't have to command any army!

You thought he's just saying things and they are happening right?

Well anything Jesus say is carried out by angels who are attending to him he can't do a single thing without those angels surrounding him. The only thing he can do without angels involved is preaching and teaching but whenever anything supernatural occurs angels are behind the scene!