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MaxInDHouse:
You thought he's just saying things and they are happening right?

Well anything Jesus say is carried out by angels who are attending to him[b] he can't do a single thing without those angels surrounding him[/b]. The only thing he can do without angels involved is preaching and teaching but whenever anything supernatural occurs angels are behind the scene!

The bolded is not phrased right I believe Jesus doesn't need angels to work, this verses prove that John5:17-30.

If it were according to your statement, it would have been, “My Father work and I send my angels to work also“🥱but it's not!

Julia25:
The bolded is not phrased right I believe Jesus doesn't need angels to work, this verses prove that John5:17-30.
If it were according to your statement, it would have been, “My Father work and I send my angels to work also“🥱but it's not!

So why does he need angels when he is in distress?


An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. ‭Luke 22:43 NIV‬

MaxInDHouse:
So why does he need angels when he is in distress?


An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. ‭Luke 22:43 NIV‬

Was he in distress?

Julia25:
Was he in distress?

What does "strengthen" mean?

MaxInDHouse:
What does "strengthen" mean?

Many have strengthened one another that does not mean they were in distress?

How does this verse relate to your bolded phrase? They are disjointed.

Strengthened has several definitions, so which one are you appealing to, given the context above ?

MaxInDHouse:
You thought he's just saying things and they are happening right?

Well anything Jesus say is carried out by angels who are attending to him he can't do a single thing without those angels surrounding him. The only thing he can do without angels involved is preaching and teaching but whenever anything supernatural occurs angels are behind the scene!

Ok, so where were angels when he was creating everything?

Julia25:
Many have strengthened one another that does not mean they were in distress?
How does this verse relate to your bolded phrase? They are disjointed.
Strengthened has several definitions, so which one are you appealing to, given the context above ?

Who needs to be strengthened?

Someone who can just talk and everything will happen or someone who needs help?

DoctorStanley:
Ok, so where were angels when he was creating everything?

He was a spirit then not human it's when he is human that angels attends to his needs!

MaxInDHouse:
He was a spirit then not human it's when he is human that angels attends to his needs!

So all that vision in Revelation is talking about humans. It's all taking about him as human!
Wow!

DoctorStanley:
So all that vision in Revelation is talking about humans. It's all taking about him as human! Wow!

Revelation says he is coming to fight with his angels following him {Revelations 19:14} so if you don't agree that's your own cup of coffee!

MaxInDHouse:
Revelation says he is coming to fight with his angels following him {Revelations 19:14} so if you don't agree that's your own cup of coffee!

Why don't you just give it up. Lord Jesus doesn’t need armies to.kill any humans, just as he didn't need armies to create them. His job is not head of armies. He sits at the right hand of the Father and is the only way to the Father. That's his job

DoctorStanley:
Why don't you just give it up. Lord Jesus doesn’t need armies to.kill any humans, just as he didn't need armies to create them. His job in is not head of armies. He sits at the right hand of the Father and is the only way to the Father. That's his job

Go and tell apostle John that what he wrote in that verse is wrong nah!

Ọmọ God is the Creator not Jesus he was used to create all other things so the things he created are not just anything but intelligent beings capable of thinking and fighting both physically and spiritually so to destroy them he can't do it alone that's why there are Cherubs (warriors) among angels in the heavens!

MaxInDHouse:
Go and tell apostle John that what he wrote in that verse is wrong nah!

Ọmọ God is the Creator not Jesus he was used to create all other things so the things he created are not just anything but intelligent beings capable of thinking and fighting both physically and spiritually so to destroy them he can't do it alone that's why there are Cherubs (warriors) among angels in the heavens!

So you don't believe one who can restore life with mere words can also take away life with mere words? Cherub doesn't mean warriors neither is their job fighting wars. Do you think the rapture will be carried out by an army? It will occur at the words of Christ, so also will the dead rise. No armies needed!

DoctorStanley:
So you don't believe one who can restore life with mere words can also take away life with mere words? Cherub doesn't mean warriors neither is their job fighting wars. Do you think the rapture will be carried out by an army? It will occur at the words of Christ, so also will the dead rise. No armies needed!

So you think it's just about talking that will raise the dead?
Ọmọ angels will be around taking orders from Jesus.

Maximus692:
So you think it's just about talking that will raise the dead?
Ọmọ angels will be around taking orders from Jesus.

Invisible angels!😅

DoctorStanley:
Invisible angels!😅

Have you seen an angel before?

MaxInDHouse:
Have you seen an angel before?

All those people angels appeared to, from Lot to Virgin Mary, they were blind!

DoctorStanley:
All those people angels appeared to, from Lot to Virgin Mary, they were blind!

Now you are amusing me!
Do you think angels have human bodies?
Come on, angels are spirit creatures they don't have human bodies it's when they want to appear before humans that they put on the appearance that won't scare us which is what we are familiar with but in the real sense they are not flesh and blood so when they are operating behind the scene you can't see them you will only see what they are doing that's why people like you concludes that it's just by mere words that things are happening whereas angels are behind the scene working!

MaxInDHouse:
Now you are amusing me!
Do you think angels have human bodies?
Come on, angels are spirit creatures they don't have human bodies it's when they want to appear before humans that they put on the appearance that won't scare us which is what we are familiar with but in the real sense they are not flesh and blood so when they are operating behind the scene you can't see them you will only see what they are doing that's why people like you concludes that it's just by mere words that things are happening whereas angels are behind the scene working!

My friend when angels participate in anything in the Bible they are mentioned as participating in that affair. When Lord Jesus told his disciples that anything he did they'd also do, he did NOT say they'd do them through angels. When his apostles complained to him that some non-followers were performing miracles in his name, there was no mention of angels. Stop following hogwash

WeAfrique:
If someone dies… but knows they’ll be back in three days… is that really a sacrifice?

Think about it. The power of sacrifice is in the finality — in losing something forever. But if Jesus knew His death was temporary, was it still a sacrifice? Or was it… just a weekend trip to the grave?

That’s a question many Christians avoid, but let’s be honest — it’s a valid one.

If I lay down my life to save my community, I don't get it back later. I've lost it forever. End of story!

Just like Princess Inikpi of the Igala kingdom who gave her life in order to save her people from imminent conquer by the enemy. Till today, Inikpi remains dead. Her sacrifice was final. She's never getting her life back. She permanently gave it up for her people.

But Jesus knew his death was only TEMPORARY. He knew he would rise up in only three days and go to heaven. Where was the finality in that? Were was the sacrifice?

[flash=425,300]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzImnEu6h70&t=106s[/flash]

Then issue is the taste of death and the faith involved in believing that God will raise him from the dead something that has never happened before.

DoctorStanley:
When angels participate in anything in the Bible they are mentioned.

For he will give his angels a command concerning you, To guard you in all your ways. They will carry you on their hands, So that you may not strike your foot against a stone. Psalms 91:11-12

and said to him: “If you are a son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written: ‘He will give his angels a command concerning you,’ and, ‘They will carry you on their hands, so that you may not strike your foot against a stone.’ Matthew 4:6

Did Jesus deny getting help from angels?

NO!

Jesus even said:

“My Kingdom is no part of this world. If my Kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my Kingdom is not from this source.” John 18:36

"Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father to supply me at this moment more than 12 legions of angels?" Matthew 26:53

Are angels mentioned as helpers in connection with Jesus?

YES!

MaxInDHouse:
For he will give his angels a command concerning you, To guard you in all your ways. They will carry you on their hands, So that you may not strike your foot against a stone. Psalms 91:11-12

and said to him: “If you are a son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written: ‘He will give his angels a command concerning you,’ and, ‘They will carry you on their hands, so that you may not strike your foot against a stone.’ Matthew 4:6

Did Jesus deny getting help from angels?

NO!

Jesus even said:

“My Kingdom is no part of this world. If my Kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my Kingdom is not from this source.” John 18:36

"Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father to supply me at this moment more than 12 legions of angels?" Matthew 26:53

Are angels mentioned as helpers in connection with Jesus?

YES!

Why are JW so stubborn? How can you say that whenever a miracle is performed angels are involved?? Even non-believers performed miracles in Jesus's name if they had enough faith - "your faith has set you free". Demons tremble at the mere mention of his name and he told them to leave a person and they promptly obeyed - no angels involved!

DoctorStanley:
Why are JW so stubborn? How can you say that whenever a miracle is performed angels are involved?? Even non-believers performed miracles in Jesus's name if they had enough faith - "your faith has set you free". Demons tremble at the mere mention of his name and he told them to leave a person and they promptly obeyed - no angels involved!

Guy quote scriptures not just arguing if you know the application of what is found written in the Bible!

MaxInDHouse:
Guy quote scriptures not just arguing if you know the application of what is found written in the Bible!

It is not necessary in this case I don't robotically and confusedly quote the Bible like you. I quote the Bible when necessary.

zoedew:
Then issue is the taste of death and the faith involved in believing that God will raise him from the dead something that has never happened before.

What about Elijah and lazarus?

DoctorStanley:
It is not necessary in this case I don't robotically and confusedly quote the Bible like you. I quote the Bible when necessary.

And i only reason with what is written in the scriptures not just arguing without the use of scriptures!

sonmvayina:
What about Elijah and lazarus?

Elijah did not die.
Lazarus rose up with the same body and he still died sometime later
Jesus rose up never to die again. He rose up with an incorruptible body.

Julia25:
Many have strengthened one another that does not mean they were in distress?

How does this verse relate to your bolded phrase? They are disjointed.

Strengthened has several definitions, so which one are you appealing to, given the context above ?

Please check your mail.
Left you a message.

WeAfrique:
If someone dies… but knows they’ll be back in three days… is that really a sacrifice?

Think about it. The power of sacrifice is in the finality — in losing something forever. But if Jesus knew His death was temporary, was it still a sacrifice? Or was it… just a weekend trip to the grave?

That’s a question many Christians avoid, but let’s be honest — it’s a valid one.

If I lay down my life to save my community, I don't get it back later. I've lost it forever. End of story!

Just like Princess Inikpi of the Igala kingdom who gave her life in order to save her people from imminent conquer by the enemy. Till today, Inikpi remains dead. Her sacrifice was final. She's never getting her life back. She permanently gave it up for her people.

But Jesus knew his death was only TEMPORARY. He knew he would rise up in only three days and go to heaven. Where was the finality in that? Were was the sacrifice?

[flash=425,300]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzImnEu6h70&t=106s[/flash]

Something a natural logical mind would never understand. His death was for the purpose of the redemption of man back to God. He gave his life so He can reconcile mankind back to God. It was a kind of investment. He was sinless and to redeem man to God He had to pay the penalty of Sin which is death and rise again to finalize the ultimate victory over Sin. If He had just died and not rise again that won't have been a sacrifice. You don't reason this truth with Logical lens like the guy in the video is tryna do. His Sacrifice is a spiritual truth.
A natural and carnal man can never understand. I've said my bit

zoedew:
Elijah did not die.
Lazarus rose up with the same body and he still died sometime later
Jesus rose up never to die again. He rose up with an incorruptible body.

those this body require food and drink to grow?
how is it different from our own?

sonmvayina:
those this body require food and drink to grow?
how is it different from our own?

Scriptures say it is celestial ie heavenly while the present one is terrestrial ie physical and that is the major difference between the two.