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Janosky:
Emusan , your own Bible Genesis 49:3

"Reuben, you are my first-born; My might and the beginning of my strength, Preeminent in dignity and preeminent in power"

Reuben , Jacob's first born is Preeminent.
Glaring evidence that Emusan does not know the meaning of Preeminence.

According to Emusans logic, Reuben preeminence over ALL children of Jacob makes Reuben their procreator.
Emusan Stop deceiving yourself.

Janosky:
Emusan, is your KJV dictionary giving the meaning of Hebrew lexicon 7069 Qoneh ( is "CREATE" @ Proverbs 8:22, Genesis 14:19, Psalms 139:13 screenshot ) was published by your fellow Trinitarians to suit Watchtower doctrine?

Emusan Stop deceiving yourself.

Emusan:
He has ran away from AI screenshot

Kai...so sorry for you.

Hebrew lexicon 7069
Go &EDIT it inside KJV bible dictionary.
Or
Sorry for yourself.

Emusan:
Kai....this is so pathetic.

You keep reinforcing my point but in your small mind you thought you're given a strong support to your own point.

If this is the brain you're using to cross road, I'm very sorry for you.

Firstly, the term FIRSTBORN as used by Apostle Paul means Jesus is PREEMINENCE not that Jesus was the FIRST TO BE CREATED. This is the point you keep missing or deliberately ignoring which is also the point you brought forth concerning Reuben.

Secondly, looking at the meaning of PREEMINENCE is simply defined as: "Preeminence is the quality of being superior. It’s a type of high status or distinction for anything considered to be the best at something"

This supported Col 1:15 that Jesus is SUPERIOR ALL OVER CREATION not that Jesus was the FIRST CREATED BEING.

So, as you can see, the point of Col 1:15 is that Jesus is the FIRSTBORN(that is superior over creation) just as Reuben is the FIRSTBORN(higher in rank to other children despite the fact that Reuben isn't the FIRST BORN CHILD).

IT'S EVIDENT HERE NOW THAT Col 1:15 isn't about Jesus being the FIRST CREATED BEING.

You provided a solid point against yourself yet you thought your point supported your position as the valid one. That's very laughable.

Lastly, here is the whole summary:

Col 1:15 didn't place Jesus as the FIRST CREATED BEING it's wrong interpretation like that of Watchtower that made it so. Col 1:15 is very simple to understand without even Dictionary Jesus is PREEMINENCE OVER ALL CREATIONS which means Jesus is not part of creation as He is the very Creator strongly supported by Col 17-18.

Do you understand now?

Genesis 49:3 -
3 “Reuben, you are my firstborn, my might, and the firstfruits of my strength, preeminent in dignity and preeminent in power"

Emusan, who is First born of Jacob as Jesus is firstborn of God?

Genesis 49:3 & Colossians 1:15 is very simple for Bible students but not easy for Liars.

Oga Emusan, continue deceiving yourself.

Janosky:
Genesis 49:3 -
3 “Reuben, you are my firstborn, my might, and the firstfruits of my strength, preeminent in dignity and preeminent in power"

Emusan, who is First born of Jacob as Jesus is firstborn of God?

Genesis 49:3 & Colossians 1:15 is very simple for Bible students but not easy for Liars.

Oga Emusan, continue deceiving yourself.

Janosky:
Hebrew lexicon 7069
Go &EDIT it inside KJV bible dictionary.
Or
Sorry for yourself.

gohf:
it isn't factually correct. God isn't transcendental, God is God, he didn't transcend anything or anyone, or from anywhere to become God.

She said God transcended I asked her from where did God transcend and she couldn't answer

Gabrielshow24:
Wisdom is not common 😂.
You definitely are not a Christian! Everyone should note that gohf's god is not transcendental 😂.

God's transcendence means that God is distinct from, superior to, and independent of the created universe, existing beyond its limitations of space, time, and understanding.

Pls, work on your understanding before exposing yourself like this...just bad🥱.

Emusan:
Just as Jws believe that Jehovah created Jesus and Jesus was living in Eternity with Jehovah before Jehovah used Him to Heavens and earth.

Gabrielshow24:
Wisdom is not common 😂.
You definitely are not a Christian! Everyone should note that gohf's god is not transcendental 😂.

God's transcendence means that God is distinct from, superior to, and independent of the created universe, existing beyond its limitations of space, time, and understanding.

Pls, work on your understanding before exposing yourself like this...just bad🥱.

Gabrielshow24:
How is this possible? 😂😂.

That must mean there was time before time😂😂—No be juju be that 🤧. Someone above time doesn't change, so if Jesus was with the Father then it's impossible for him to be created😂.

gohf:
Before we talk about wisdom let's talk about ignorance, yours in this case

Transcendence comes from the Latin prefix trans-, meaning "beyond," and the word scandare, meaning "to climb." When you achieve transcendence, you have gone beyond ordinary limitations.


If one lacks knowledge, proper knowledge and know what is true and right, how can they be wise?

Where did God transcend from, who did He transcend? There has not been an answer to those who claimed their God is transcendental till date.

Let me simplify the question, where did your God climb out from?

Emusan:
Kai see logic

Is this how every words derive their meanings

See person who is claiming to be more knowledgeable

Emusan:
Kai see logic

Is this how every words derive their meanings

See person who is claiming to be more knowledgeable

gohf:
it's not that information is not available, even if we go from google to ai, some will still love and prefer ignorance.

Transcendence refers to the state of rising above or going beyond ordinary limits, whether physical, material, or mental.

Gabrielshow24:
You continue to misunderstand and misapply the concept of God's transcendence, which describes God's existence as being outside and beyond the material universe and human understanding, not originating from a prior point or transcending something specific in a physical sense. Instead, it's a fundamental aspect of divine nature, asserting God's infinite, eternal, and self-existing essence in contrast to creation's finite and dependent nature. 😂

When applied to God, "transcendence" is not about a physical journey from one point to another. It describes God's inherent being as distinct from, and not limited by, the created universe—The concept of transcendence doesn't ask for a point of origin or an object that God moved beyond. God, in His nature, is already beyond all created things🤷.

If you can't understand this simple thing😂, then you need to go back to sunday school.
No, christian will say God is not transcendent🤨

Cc: gollf

gohf:
misapply? If they ask you if I was the one that refered to God as a transcendent you will start writing long irrelevant stories.

Sorry to ask but are you educated? If you are not, I understand but you have you calm down and understand what exactly it is you are reading and writing, or at least crosscheck it.

gohf:
it's not that information is not available, even if we go from google to ai, some will still love and prefer ignorance.

Transcendence refers to the state of rising above or going beyond ordinary limits, whether physical, material, or mental.

Gabrielshow24:
You should be asking yourself these questions because a supposedly educated person would have understood God's concept of transcendency 😂instead you continue to ask mundane questions about it🤨. It seriously casts aspersions on your educational background.

Pls tell us, is God above all in any limits?🤨

Emusan:
Mr continue to deceive yourself, you couldn't comprehend my post and the reason you couldn't address it properly.

Try again later!

Emusan:
Just as Jws believe that Jehovah created Jesus and Jesus was living in Eternity with Jehovah before Jehovah used Him to Heavens and earth.

Emusan:
Just as Watchtower keeps editing their version to conform with their doctrines
.

Emusan:
Back to the main issue, according to that AI screenshot, did the AI claim that Jesus is a CREATED BEING according to Col 1:15?

You can't escape this.

A. I. Screenshot evidence
1.
"Jesus perfectly reflects God's nature ,character & essence"
Agreed,no argument.

2
"Jesus is ALSO the firstborn of every creature in the SENSE of being the FIRST TO BE BORN OR CREATED.. "


Emusan posted that A.I Evidence

Gabrielshow24:
You should be asking yourself these questions because a supposedly educated person would have understood God's concept of transcendency 😂instead you continue to ask mundane questions about it🤨. It seriously casts aspersions on your educational background.

Pls tell us, is God above all in any limits?🤨

Janosky:

Edit KJV for whom?
Your claim no evidence


A. I. Screenshot evidence
1.
"Jesus perfectly reflects God's nature ,character & essence"
Agreed,no argument.

2
"Jesus is ALSO the firstborn of every creature in the SENSE of being the FIRST TO BE BORN OR CREATED.. "


Emusan posted that A.I Evidence

gohf:
you can't tell the difference between God being above all limits, above all things and your god rising beyond all limits, so your god was struggling and overcame limitations, no wonder you believe Jesus is your god.

Janosky:
You can't prove your false claim.

Janosky:

Edit KJV for whom?
Your claim no evidence


A. I. Screenshot evidence
1.
"Jesus perfectly reflects God's nature ,character & essence"
Agreed,no argument.

2
"Jesus is ALSO the firstborn of every creature in the SENSE of being the FIRST TO BE BORN OR CREATED.. "


Emusan posted that A.I Evidence