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Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by safarifarms(m): 10:43am On Aug 31, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Trinity is from pagans:

Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:48am On Aug 31, 2025
Trinity is from pagan traditions!

Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by FxMasterz(op): 12:12pm On Aug 31, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
The translators caused this problem for you people because they substituted God's divine name for the title LORD hence when you are reading most versions you won't understand what the Bible is saying.
This is how it's rendered in the NWT of the Holy Scriptures (Jehovah's Witnesses Bible)

Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” Psalms 110:1
The KJV used upper case for Jehovah rendering God's divine name as LORD but in our own translation we used the divine name so the reader understands what he is reading.





There you go again!

This is what my own copy of the Bible says:

“Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is ONE Jehovah" Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29

So JEHOVAH our God is ONE!
Jehovah or ^ahweh is not English.

The English is The Lord. Jesus is also The Lord.

Do we have 2 Lords?
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by FxMasterz(op): 12:15pm On Aug 31, 2025
SarcasticWords:
And like i answered your brother TenQ,
I prefer to go with what Jesus Christ said with his own mouth, which is: The father is GREATER than I.

Stop forcing Jesus Christ to be what you want him to be. Accept him the way he has described himself.
In a nutshell, you prefer to go with one side of what Jesus said with His own moth., while I prefer to go with all Jesus said with His own mouth. Including what He said in John 14 when He asked Phillip: "Don't you know me Philip? Why are you asking me to show you the Father? Everyone's who has seen Me has seen the Father." Paraphrased
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by Gabrielshow24: 12:18pm On Aug 31, 2025
FxMasterz:
Jehovah or ^ahweh is not English.

The English is The Lord. Jesus is also The Lord.

Do we have 2 Lords?
You should have asked him whether or not the words omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent, omnificient among others are found in the bible 👀yet he alludes to them.

If that is his excuse🥱 then he has no case. Obviously, ’Jesus being Michael’ isn't written either but he can ’defend’ his stance through false equivocations 😵‍💫.
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by FxMasterz(op): 12:21pm On Aug 31, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
You should have asked him whether or not the words omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent, omnificient among others are found in the bible 👀yet he alludes to them.

If that is his excuse🥱 then he has no case. Obviously, ’Jesus being Michael’ isn't written either but he can ’defend’ his stance through false equivocations 😵‍💫.
Spot on!

Maxindhouse, over to you.
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by SarcasticWords: 12:38pm On Aug 31, 2025
FxMasterz:
In a nutshell, you prefer to go with one side of what Jesus said with His own moth.
Yes. He said the father is greater. He never said I and the father are equals.
The relationship is enough for you to understand. Father and Son. not Father and Father. One is greater than the other. One commands, the other one acts. One sends, the other one moves. This is very simple to understand.

FxMasterz:
while I prefer to go with all Jesus said with His own mouth.
You are not going with what he said with his mouth. You are picking certain verses and twisting it to your own narrative. The fact remains, Jesus NEVER equated himself with the father.

John 5:19 “The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing…”

John 8:28 – “…I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.”

John 5:30 – “I can of mine own self do nothing… I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.”

FxMasterz:
Including what He said in John 14 when He asked Phillip: "Don't you know me Philip? Why are you asking me to show you the Father? Everyone's who has seen Me has seen the Father." Paraphrased
Read the scriptures I listed above to understand what jesus meant. Somebody has told you that the father is greater than him, you want to by force equate him with the father. chai.
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by FxMasterz(op): 1:01pm On Aug 31, 2025
SarcasticWords:
Yes. He said the father is greater. He never said I and the father are equals.
The relationship is enough for you to understand. Father and Son. not Father and Father. One is greater than the other. One commands, the other one acts. One sends, the other one moves. This is very simple to understand.



You are not going with what he said with his mouth. You are picking certain verses and twisting it to your own narrative. The fact remains, Jesus NEVER equated himself with the father.

John 5:19 “The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing…”

John 8:28 – “…I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.”

John 5:30 – “I can of mine own self do nothing… I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.”



Read the scriptures I listed above to understand what jesus meant. Somebody has told you that the father is greater than him, you want to by force equate him with the father. chai.
My dear, read the OP with understanding. Jesus spoke as man and God. You have chosen to take only what He said as man but not what He said as God, while I acknowledge both.

Now, you ignored that He also said He who has seen Him has seen the Father, isn't it? You also ignore that He is the Word of God, and John 1:1 says The Word is God. You also ignore His statements when He said, I and my Father are One. Didn't you?

You believe Jesus is not God because you hold on to only one part of what He said. I hold on to everything He said. I believe that Jesus is both God and man.
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by SarcasticWords: 1:20pm On Aug 31, 2025
FxMasterz:
My dear, read the OP with understanding. Jesus spoke as man and God. You have chosen to take only what He said as man but not what He said as God, while I acknowledge both.

Now, you ignored that He also said He who has seen Him has seen the Father, isn't it? You also ignore that He is the Word of God, and John 1:1 says The Word is God. You also ignore His statements when He said, I and my Father are One. Didn't you?

You believe Jesus is not God because you hold on to only one part of what He said. I hold on to everything He said. I believe that Jesus is both God and man.
I have answered you in your new thread go and read and learn my dear.
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:40pm On Aug 31, 2025
FxMasterz:
Jehovah or ^ahweh is not English.
The English is The Lord. Jesus is also The Lord.
Do we have 2 Lords?
You don't read people's comments you only want to argue.
Jehovah is a name not title like God or Lord. In ancient Israel the title Lord was used for people but the divine name Jehovah belongs only to one person so if Jesus was called Lord it's because he is the chosen or anointed King he is not Jehovah!
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by Emusan(m): 1:47pm On Aug 31, 2025
FxMasterz:
Spot on!

Maxindhouse, over to you.
Or you should have rather asked him where was the word 'Bible' that he normally uses can be found in the God's word OR to expose his hypocrisy the more, you can ask him where does he find the word 'Theocracy' in the scripture?

Note: In other to whitewash THEOCRACY being used by Watchtower, he'll tell you, Jws don't preach it which is a lie and I've also seen where he tried to avoid using the word Bible by claiming that was the reason Watchtower chooses NEW WORLD and didn't call their version of the scripture BIBLE which is also a lie but Watchtower publications & awake are fill with the usage of BIBLE.
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by Emusan(m): 1:51pm On Aug 31, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
You don't read people's comments you only want to argue.
Jehovah is a name not title like God or Lord. In ancient Israel the title Lord was used for people but the divine name Jehovah belongs only to one person so if Jesus was called Lord it's because he is the chosen or anointed King he is not Jehovah!
Lying liar!

In ancient Israel the Title God or Lord were used but always in lower case and most importantly these Title when used for Yahweh it's always used with the definite article THE or Capitalize.

Which means no true Israelite will ever use The Lord or God for another person.

You can proof me wrong.
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by DoWhatThouWilt: 3:03pm On Aug 31, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
You don't read people's comments you only want to argue.
Please answer my question. 17th person caught in kingdom hall of Jehovah. Why are such cases rampant in your kingdom hall?
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:45pm On Aug 31, 2025
FxMasterz:
Spot on!
Maxindhouse, over to you.
Has anyone gotten a Bible version where TRINITY is found written?🤔
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by FxMasterz(op): 1:43pm On Sep 02, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Has anyone gotten a Bible version where TRINITY is found written?🤔
Has anyone gotten a Bible version where The Faithful Discreet Slave is found?

Hey, I saw a post where you were jubiliating that I was banned. I wasn't banned actually, I was just busy and couldn't respond to comments.

You even cursed on that post saying, "no peace to the wicked". Am I now a wicked man for showing you the true Word of God? But your deceivers who have changed the Bible to suit their satanic doctrines which you hold dear as life are saints isn't it?

Everything I wrote in the OP are Scripture based. I took nothing from outside, yet you reject them and call me wicked, wishing me no peace. Let me shock you. I enjoy unprecedented levels of peace and tranquility, purely given to me by the Lord who said "My Peace I give unto you. Not as the world giveth." I enjoy Righteousness, Peace and Joy in the Holy Ghost.
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by FxMasterz(op): 1:52pm On Sep 02, 2025
Emusan:
Or you should have rather asked him where was the word 'Bible' that he normally uses can be found in the God's word OR to expose his hypocrisy the more, you can ask him where does he find the word 'Theocracy' in the scripture?

Note: In other to whitewash THEOCRACY being used by Watchtower, he'll tell you, Jws don't preach it which is a lie and I've also seen where he tried to avoid using the word Bible by claiming that was the reason Watchtower chooses NEW WORLD and didn't call their version of the scripture BIBLE which is also a lie but Watchtower publications & awake are fill with the usage of BIBLE.
Hey, Maxindhouse my friend, I was asked to direct these questions at you. Can you please shed lights on these?

Possible verdict, if you cannot find goose your many terms in the Bible, you don't have the rationality to question why Trinity is not there.

And as I have told you. The word Trinity itself is not the issue. The issue is that God is found in Scripture to be a Triune Being. You can call that phenomenon any name you like. Trinity is only one of such terms for describing the phenomenon.
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by FxMasterz(op): 1:55pm On Sep 02, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
You don't read people's comments you only want to argue.
Jehovah is a name not title like God or Lord. In ancient Israel the title Lord was used for people but the divine name Jehovah belongs only to one person so if Jesus was called Lord it's because he is the chosen or anointed King he is not Jehovah!
My friend.

Is Jesus King of Earth only, or King of Heaven and Earth?
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:24pm On Sep 02, 2025
FxMasterz:
My friend.
Is Jesus King of Earth only, or King of Heaven and Earth?
Has anyone gotten a version of the Bible where the word TRINITY is written?
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:46pm On Sep 02, 2025
FxMasterz:
Has anyone gotten a Bible version where The Faithful Discreet Slave is found?
Hey, I saw a post where you were jubiliating that I was banned. I wasn't banned actually, I was just busy and couldn't respond to comments.
You even cursed on that post saying, "no peace to the wicked". Am I now a wicked man for showing you the true Word of God? But your deceivers who have changed the Bible to suit their satanic doctrines which you hold dear as life are saints isn't it?
Everything I wrote in the OP are Scripture based. I took nothing from outside, yet you reject them and call me wicked, wishing me no peace. Let me shock you. I enjoy unprecedented levels of peace and tranquility, purely given to me by the Lord who said "My Peace I give unto you. Not as the world giveth." I enjoy Righteousness, Peace and Joy in the Holy Ghost.
On that thread the highlighted belongs to a poster who keeps posting false accusations about God's organization so relax it wasn't meant for you.

Regarding the faithful and discreet slave Jesus mentioned it:

“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?" Matthew 24:45

That's the small group Jesus promised us that we will rely on during this difficult endtime for spiritual food.

In another instance Jesus referred to them as the BODY which wise people will gather around them:

So in response they said to him: “Where, Lord?” He said to them: “Where the BODY is, there also the EAGLES will be gathered together.” Luke 17:37

So we believe in what is written in God's word!
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by FxMasterz(op): 4:03pm On Sep 02, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
On that thread the highlighted belongs to a poster who keeps posting false accusations about God's organization so relax it wasn't meant for you.

Regarding the faithful and discreet slave Jesus mentioned it:

“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?" Matthew 24:45

That's the small group Jesus promised us that we will rely on during this difficult endtime for spiritual food.

In another instance Jesus referred to them as the BODY which wise people will gather around them:

So in response they said to him: “Where, Lord?” He said to them: “Where the BODY is, there also the EAGLES will be gathered together.” Luke 17:37

So we believe in what is written in God's word!
Lol. In your JW Bible I supposed. That's a strange insertion to fit your doctrines, isn't it?
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by FxMasterz(op): 4:04pm On Sep 02, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Has anyone gotten a version of the Bible where the word TRINITY is written?
Why are you running away from the question? You already know the implications of answering that question, isn't it?

If God has not revealed Himself to you, you can do religion but you can never know God.

Is Jesus King on earth alone or King in Heaven and Earth?
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:05pm On Sep 02, 2025
FxMasterz:
Lol. In your JW Bible I supposed. That's a strange insertion to fit your doctrines, isn't it?
Insertion to fit our doctrine or yielding positive results globally as Jesus foretold? Matthew 7:16-18
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:08pm On Sep 02, 2025
FxMasterz:
Why are you running away from the question? You already know the implications of answering that question, isn't it?

If God has not revealed Himself to you, you can do religion but you can never know God.

Is Jesus King on earth alone or King in Heaven and Earth?
Knowing God but no evidence other than mere arguments!

See the result of true religion:

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told
.
BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!
Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..
XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.
freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.
boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.
Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.
Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!
Please mention the name of your own church let everyone see what your faith has produced! Matthew 7:16-18
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by FxMasterz(op): 4:09pm On Sep 02, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Insertion to fit our doctrine or yielding positive results globally as Jesus foretold? Matthew 7:16-18
Oh, I see. Insertion to yield profitable results. But where are the profitable results? Child molestation is a profitable result?


My friend, leave religion and follow after God. In God alone is salvation.
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by FxMasterz(op): 4:12pm On Sep 02, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Knowing God but no evidence other than mere arguments!

See the result of true religion:



So who told you the KJV has not been mistranslated and full of post=134918247]
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told
.

Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!


well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..


They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Please mention the name of your own church let everyone see what your faith has produced! Matthew 7:16-18
This whole Epistle because of a simple question?


Is Jesus King of Earth alone or of Heaven and Earth?
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by DoWhatThouWilt: 4:12pm On Sep 02, 2025
FxMasterz:
Hey, Maxindhouse my friend, I was asked to direct these questions at you. Can you please shed lights on these?
MaxInDHouse is currently enjoying hot ban. No peace.
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by FxMasterz(op): 4:13pm On Sep 02, 2025
DoWhatThouWilt:
MaxInDHouse is currently enjoying hot ban. No peace.
Lol.

Banned by the truth, not bots.
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:14pm On Sep 02, 2025
FxMasterz:
Oh, I see. Insertion to yield profitable results. But where are the profitable results? Child molestation is a profitable result?
My friend, leave religion and follow after God. In God alone is salvation.
Child molestation that's happening in your own area or lies you are told about the most peaceful organization? Matthew 5:11-12
Well if there is no version of the Bible in which TRINITY is written it's OK! wink
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:18pm On Sep 02, 2025
FxMasterz:
This whole Epistle because of a simple question? Is Jesus King of Earth alone or of Heaven and Earth?
It's like your friend is here so you can start mimicking him meanwhile he's the one i was referring to on the other thread.
Re: PART 1 - Undisputable Truths About The Trinity, Non-Trinitarians Cannot Refute by Emusan(m): 4:47pm On Sep 02, 2025
DoWhatThouWilt:
MaxInDHouse is currently enjoying hot ban. No peace.
If we go by his on logic, it means his posts are toxic and abusive.
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