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MaxInDHouse:
Walahi Talahi this is wahala Yaaaso!

Initially you said Jesus used a rod now you changed it to koboko.

Why aren't you people humble to learn for God's sake?

TenQ:
Coming from a person who didn't know that Jesus flogged the buyers and sellers in the temple.
SMH!
You honestly deserve a heavy dose of the rod of correction: but it would still be a needless exercise as you wouldn't learn.
Have a nice day!

MaxInDHouse:
When you come out of your hole nobody disturbs you but then you think too much of yourself and when corrected you stylishly run away.

Are you now aware that temple and synagogue are different places?
Have you learned that Jesus never used a rod to beat anyone?

I always warn you to stay on your lane as Muslim trailer but arrogance won't allow you!

TenQ:
Fix your ignorance!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus sent his disciples out in search of peace loving people {Luke 10:6} but here you are always looking for Muslims to argue! 1Timothy 6:4
Jesus sent his disciples to speak in an harmless manner to people {Matthew 10:16} but you are always speaking abusively of other people's faith when they don't have anything to do with your beliefs.
Jesus said his disciples should humble themselves so that there can be unity among them {Luke 14:10} but you can't find any church because you find it really difficult to humbly learn yet you want to teach others therefore you have no church instead you are always here asking questions that you supposed to humbly ask those taking the lead in your church.

Now who is ignorant and arrogant at the same time?

TenQ:
Fix your self delusion and ignorance
Pleeeeease.

MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself!

TenQ:
The ignorant one who thought Jesus never whipped out the money chargers and traders! SMH!

honesttalk21:
I commend your efforts however too shallow.

Was the Prophet pbuh Taught by Waraqah or Jabr?

You caim Waraqah ibn Nawfal was a close family tutor of Muhammad pbuh.

However the clear reality is Waraqah was Khadijah’s cousin, making him the Prophet pbuh's cousin-in-law, not his uncle or teacher (Ibn Hishām, 1955).

Both shared distant descent from Qusayy ibn Kilab, but this was true of most Quraysh, and does not imply an intimate family tie (al-Tabari, 1987).

No historical source records ongoing meetings before revelation. Their first encounter came only after the Prophet’s experience in the cave of Hiraʾ (Sahih al-Bukhari).


You also claim: Waraqah instructed Muhammad in Christianity and scripture. But the is that by the time of their meeting, Waraqah was already old and blind, incapable of actively teaching (Bukhari, Kitab Badʾ al-Wahy).

Earlier, he had been known for writing parts of the Gospel in Arabic script, but this was publicly known, not secret (Donner, 2010) and quite a different from public oral preaching.

His actual role was confirmatory as he saud this is the Namus who came to Moses.” He validated, but did not provide content.


Again your claim that the kinship terms used in hadith prove close relations (my nephew,my cousin) but In Arabic tribal etiquette, ibn akhi (my nephew/son of my brother) was a respectful form of address for younger tribesmen, not literal genealogy (Ibn Hajar, Fath al-Bari).

Khadijah calling Muhammad your nephew, O my cousin was polite framing, not evidence of hidden Christian teaching or close genealogical relationship. This language reflected Quraysh norms of solidarity, not intimate family tutoring.


You claim Khadijah must have been discussing the Bible with Waraqah already and don't appreciate the reality of her turning to him because of his public reputation as a man of scripture, not because of secret Christian instruction.

There is no evidence that Khadijah was a Christian herself; Islamic sources consistently describe her as a believer in the One God, not as a practicing member of the Church (Donner, 2010; Neuwirth, 2019).


You particularly refer to a claim that Jabr the Christian slave taught Muhammad pbuh and though the Quraysh did accuse the Prophet pbuh of this, the Qur’an preserves and refutes the charge. The one they point to speaks a foreign tongue, while this Qur’an is in clear Arabic speech” (Qur’an 16:103).

The Quraysh themselves acknowledged the Qur’an’s unmatched eloquence in Arabic, yet accused him of learning from a foreigner an inherently contradictory claim (Reynolds, 2010). Translation effects would not explain the Qur’an’s unparalleled rhythm, structure, and coherence, which stunned native poets and linguists (Neuwirth, The Qur’an and Late Antiquity, 2019).


Your further claim that the Qur’an plagiarized from earlier scriptures is purely unfounded.
The Qur’an overlaps with Biblical traditions but reframes them with corrections and theological originality (Neuwirth, 2019).

Scholars such as John Wansbrough (1977) emphasize that the Qur’an is not derivative but engages in intertextual dialogue with late Antiquity’s religious environment. He showed that the Qur’an is not derivative but engages in intertextual dialogue with Late Antiquity’s religious environment reframing earlier ideas with originality. In other words it converses, it does not copy.

SIRTee15:
Pls stick to my argument.

I never said anyone taught Muhammed his revelation. That's not my argument.

My argument is clear and I brought the evidence. Muhammed was surrounded by people and friends who knew the bible stories. So the idea that Muhammed couldn't have known the bible stories before he met angel Gabriel is ridiculous at best.

So when he visit Jabr at his quarters, what do they discuss. Muhammed was a monotheist who hated paganism, he visited his friend who is also a monotheist in Christian faith.

So U telling me Muhammed and Jabr never discussed monotheism, something they both had in common?
Common man U much smarter than this. The people of Mecca may be pagans but they are definitely not fools.

The issue of waraka has been sorted, no need over flogging it


It's funny U running to academic scholars for support.
People that called your Quran a composite book.
Yes, academic Quranic scholars believe your book is a composite and layered text that didn't reach it's final and present stage until the time of the 3rd caliph.

If U want quote I will give U.

From Angelika Neuwirth.

From “Scripture, Poetry, and the Making of a Community: Reading the Qur’an as a Literary Text”:

“The Qur’an is not a mono-authored text but has some aspects of a collective work … The Qur’an contains the record of complex negotiations between a proclaimer and his audience, including arguments, accusations, objections, and rebuttals, and showing the modification and growth of ideas over time.”

“Shorter passages derive their meaning from the functions they serve in the sura as a whole … despite the existence of interpolations and other textual oddities that constitute signs of adjustment or editing.”

honesttalk21:
You now say the prophet pbuh, an unlettered person can acquire knowledge of the early scripture to such level merely by being near few Jews and Christians? How many were they and what was their primary engagement in Mecca?