"And when they commit a Fahisha (evil deed, going round the Kabah in naked state, every kind of unlawful sexual intercourse, etc.), they say: "We found our fathers doing it and Allah has commanded us of it." ...
- Qur'an 7:28, Muhsin Khan & Muhammad al-Hilali translation.

""It is during the tawaf that many women experience groping, handling and grabbing, says Eltahawy, according to the responses she's heard from women. "It's very crowded. At any given moment, there are thousands of men and women [circling Kaaba at one time].""
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2018/02/26/588855132/-mosquemetoo-gives-muslim-women-a-voice-about-sexual-misconduct-at-mecca?t=1589006156833

orisa37:
ALLAH IS THE LORD AND SAVIOUR OF THE EARTH.

MOSES IS MOHAMMED, THE PROPHET OF THE LORD AND SAVIOUR OF THE EARTH.

peteregwu:
Of course the "Allah" of Islam is not the same with the God of Christians. Don't mind them oooo... They are the same with idol worshippers. .

advocatejare:

Everything about Islam is idolatry

IMAliyu:

Have you tried applying the same logic to your own religion, to rid yourself of partisan bias?

advocatejare:

Yes

IMAliyu:

And what was your conclusion
Is Christianity devoid of pagan practices?

advocatejare:
Yes it is, if there is any, let’s see. Note that Christianity is being Christ like, anything that Christ did not do that the so called Christians are doing today is not Christianity. But as for Islam, most pagan activities being done in Islam today were brought into Islam by Muhammad and practiced by him

IMAliyu:

So, how does someone know Christ to become Christ like?

You know I could make the argument that Islam just means submission to the will of God, and what ever you see Muslims do doesn't represent the actual faith.

As for what looks like pegan practices, you have said yourself you were once Muslim, so I expect you to be familiar with this concept. The claim of Islam that God only ever sent down one religion (Islam) and every other practice is a corruption of that one initial faith.

So it's every other pegan religion that's copying Islam, not the other way around.

I'm showing you this, to show you how easy it is for one to feed their confirmation bias, and how easy it is for me to find material linking arbitrary things in your faith to peganism.

IMAliyu:

So, how does someone know Christ to become Christ like?

You know I could make the argument that Islam just means submission to the will of God, and what ever you see Muslims do doesn't represent the actual faith.

As for what looks like pegan practices, you have said yourself you were once Muslim, so I expect you to be familiar with this concept. The claim of Islam that God only ever sent down one religion (Islam) and every other practice is a corruption of that one initial faith.

So it's every other pegan religion that's copying Islam, not the other way around.

I'm showing you this, to show you how easy it is for one to feed their confirmation bias, and how easy it is for me to find material linking arbitrary things in your faith to peganism.

abdelrahman:
Ain't nobody gives a fvck about that.

The one is Bible woke up like mighty drunkard says the Bible.


He used to regret

He is sun and shield

He is known for killing 42 little niglets just because they called Elisha'bald headed'.

advocatejare:

Allah prayed to be guided in the Quran

advocatejare:

Allah prayed for Muhammad in the Quran

advocatejare:

Allah called himself the best of the deceivers, al-Makireena the same title of satan

abdelrahman:
evidence: Allah prays to be guided

evidence: Allah prays for Muhammad

evidence: Allah is the best of the deceivers

advocatejare:

By studying his teachings and how he lived

Then that means you’ll be saying that Muhammad was misguided for doing all the pagan activities he did.

Muhammad prayed Zoroastrian 5 daily prayers even though he started by praying Jewish 3 daily prayers towards Jerusalem before he was exposed for being a false prophet and he then turned towards the house of idols of Mecca, the Kaaba

Christ died on the cross, mention one other person that claim to be the son of God that died on the cross.

That was the lies Muhammad told you. The two religion before Islam, Judaism and Christianity didn’t engage in all the pagan activities of the meccans that Muhammad incorporated into Islam

“Trinity” is not in the Bible, so you don’t have a point, go and meet those that believe in the word trinity to show you the evidence from the scriptures

The dressings of Bishops as depicted in those pictures don’t represent Christ, Christ or any of the apostles were not reported to have dressed like that


December 25? No one knows the exact day christ was born, Christ never celebrated Christmas or commanded it to be celebrated, that’s why I didn’t include Maulid Nabiyy that you Muslim also celebrate in my write up cos I know Muhammad never approved or celebrated it


Sunday worship!
Christ worship and went to the synagogue on the sabbath day. I worship and go to the synagogue on sabbath day too.

Your Allah who is the same as Satan claimed to have misled Christians to be worshiping on Sunday. Did you know that?

Sunan Ibn Majah 1083
It was narrated that Abu Hurairah said:
"The Messenger of Allah (it) said: 'Allah led
those who came before us astray from Friday. Saturday was for the Jews and Sunday was for the Christians. And they will lag behind us until the Day of Resurrection. We are the last of the people of this world but we will be the first to be judged among all of creation.'

advocatejare:


Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

اهْدِنَا الصِّرٰطَ الْمُسْتَقِيمَ
"Guide us to the straight path -"
(QS. Al-Faatiha 1: Verse 6)

advocatejare:

This verse is not preceded by qul (say) which means it's a direct speech of whoever the author of the Quran is

advocatejare:


and since you Muslims claim that the Quran is the words of Allah (even though Allah never spoke to Muhammad directly, it was an unknown jinn that tormented Muhammad in the cave of Hira that revealed some part of the Quran to him)

advocatejare:

then Allah is the one praying here to be guided to the right path.

advocatejare:

So if Allah and Muhammad were not on the right path, how can you Muslims ever find the right path?

advocatejare:

“Verily, Allah and His angels pray (yusalloona) for the prophet. O ye who believe! pray for him (salloo) and salute him with a salutation! S. Quran 33:56

advocatejare:

Allah is not only a deceiver but the best of the deceivers, the same title of Satan, the father of lies.

Quran 8:30
wa-idh yamkuru bika alladhīna kafarū liyuth'bitūka aw yaqtulūka aw yukh'rijūka wayamkurūna wayamkuru l-lahu wal-lahu khayru l-mākirīna

And when those who disbelieved deceive/scheme at you to affix/affirm you, or kill you, or bring you out, and they scheme/deceive , and Allah deceives/schemes and Allah (is) best (of) the deceivers/schemers..

advocatejare:


Makirina is from (مَكْر [makir] ) which means cunning, deceptive, guile.

IMAliyu:

Ok, through the gospels I assume?

Can't say I know, or care all too much. But there is a tendency for an emerging religion to absorb the culture and rituals existing around it.

Ok, however understanding the obsession of Islam with monotheism and a monotheistic God, I'm sure they felt the Zoroastrian's weren't far from their truth.

How is this important? There have been people who've claimed to be sons of God, and son of God in the Hebrew context usually means a pious man close to God, and the general name for angles.

And there have been people who've been crucified as it was a known from of Roman punishment.
So, what makes the combination of the two special?

No not that of the Meccans but of the cultures close to them, the Jewish faith has deep Summerian and Canaan influence, and if I take your word for it. You yourself don't partake in the remains of the Roman paganism, but you can't deny its influence in general mainstream Christianity.

Modification:
Addressing your photo with the folded arms, once again you're drawing arbitrary parallels that doesn't hold water, folded arms during prayer is a Sunni behaviour, other sects don't do that as it's not universal and it's not an action that has any value in worship.
However your case for the copying of Zoroastrianism is a much better one. If your objective is to disprove Islam you have to learn to refine your points.

abdelrahman:
but U said Allah prayed To be guided and what u posted here is different.


every ayah of Qur'an is direct speech of Allah.

who told u Allah never spoke to him directly?

That verse is referring to we Muslim u dumb head why can't u read it to the last before deceiving your gullible followers?
Even from the start.
An what is their is praising to the Almighty


Praise be to God, Lord of all the worlds.

The Compassionate, the Merciful. Ruler on the Day of Reckoning.

You alone do we worship, and You alone do we ask for help.

Guide us on the straight path,

the path of those who have received your grace;

not the path of those who have brought down wrath, nor of those who wander astray.

Amen.

The chapter of suratul fatiah is nothing but for us to praised Allah,that is why is compulsory to read it I every solat,he who doesn't read it,his solat is invalid.

hmmm let me tell u something on that.

A Muslim[/b]stealing, fornicating, killing innocent, lying and so on hasn't find the right path of what Islam brought.

[b]Now let me ask u something, Jesus taught y'all lord prayers and he made mentioned of where he said 'Forgive is our sins'


If Jesus actually died for your son's,how come u still reading Lord's prayer?

nigga prayed?

Nah it is Praised it is صلوات in term مدح (praisng) not praying.

And [remember, O Muhammad], when those who disbelieved plotted against you to restrain you or kill you or evict you [from Makkah]. But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners.

advocatejare:

Then Allah is the one praying to be guided in Fatiha

advocatejare:

Allah didn’t find Muhammad worthy of being spoken to directly. It was an unknown jinn called jibreel that tormented Muhammad in Hira that communicated with Muhammad

advocatejare:


Allah is worshipping Allah, Allah is praising Allah and Allah is praying to Allah!


Allah is praying to be guided on the right path?

advocatejare:

So a Muslim is not on the right path?

advocatejare:

So a Muslim who doesn’t do any of those sins you mentioned above does not need to recite Al Fatiha when praying? If he doesn’t is his prayer valid? If he does, that means he is still convinced that despite being a Muslim and pious he is still not on the right path and like Allah he is still begging to guided!

advocatejare:

Jesus died for your past sins and he told us to live a holy life but that we should ask for forgiveness of our future sins. He has paid the price for our past sins

advocatejare:

Liar this is Salawat (صلوات) which means prayer and not praise. Allah prays for Muhammad! Who did Allah pray to?

advocatejare:


You can only pray to a superior being? Allah is not a supreme being

advocatejare:


Allah is not only a deceiver but the best of the deceivers, the same title of Satan, the father of lies.

Quran 8:30
wa-idh yamkuru bika alladhīna kafarū liyuth'bitūka aw yaqtulūka aw yukh'rijūka wayamkurūna wayamkuru l-lahu wal-lahu khayru l-mākirīna

And when those who disbelieved deceive/scheme at you to affix/affirm you, or kill you, or bring you out, and they scheme/deceive , and Allah deceives/schemes and Allah (is) best (of) the deceivers/schemers.

Makirina is from (مَكْر [makir] ) which means cunning, deceptive, guile.

abdelrahman:
I can now see how dumb u are!

jsut like unknown jinn spoke to John the Baptist about Jesus, right?

u know nothing about Arabic language and u are here arguring.

You can only pray to a superior being? Allah is not a supreme being then tell Arab Christians that Allah is not supreme being.

The Bible verses I posted about how Yahweh deceiving, what up with those?

advocatejare:

Anytime you guys start insulting, I know I’ve hit the cord. Only empty barrel results into insults when he’s losing in an argument


The angel that appeared to people in the Bible introduced themselves and who sent them. The unknown jinn that appeared to Muhammad in Hira pinned him down three times until Muhammad almost died and ran home to go and meet his sugar mummy that married him. His sugar mummy, Khadijah then took him to Waraqa who proclaimed Muhammad as a prophet. The jinn never said Muhammad was a prophet.

Muhammad wanted to commit suicide afterwards.

Magic was used on Muhammed and he was insane for more than a year and he was busy hallucinating about sleeping with people he hadn’t slept with.

While Muhammad was insane , he was still rolling out Quranic verses, no wonder you have so many incoherent, meaningless babbles in the Quran:

Kaf Ha Yan 'Ayn Sad (Quran 19:1)

Ta Ha (Quran 20:1)

Ta Seen meem (Quran 26:1)

Ta Seen (Quran 27:1)




I have been reading Arabic before you were born




They already know. Islam is business for them and a tool to enslave women and turn them into sex slaves




Allah is not only a deceiver but the best of the deceivers, the same title of Satan, the father of lies.

Quran 8:30
wa-idh yamkuru bika alladhīna kafarū liyuth'bitūka aw yaqtulūka aw yukh'rijūka wayamkurūna wayamkuru l-lahu wal-lahu khayru l-mākirīna

And when those who disbelieved deceive/scheme at you to affix/affirm you, or kill you, or bring you out, and they scheme/deceive , and Allah deceives/schemes and Allah (is) best (of) the deceivers/schemers.

Makirina is from (مَكْر [makir] ) which means cunning, deceptive, guile.
wow u come up again with this





I’ll take you serious if you can prove to me that Yahweh called himself the best of deceivers like Allah.

abdelrahman:
heheheeh so u mean prophet Jeremiah was lying?

MaxInDHouse:
Very very simple logic!
Allah simply means God and according to God's word "there are many Gods" {1Corinthians 8:5} so each person will speak in the name of his/her own Allah (God) Micah 4:5
The God of Jesus' disciples says:

"This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him" Matthew 17:5

The God of Muslims says:

"I have no sons"

So the difference is obvious!

advocatejare:

You’ve not shown me where Yahweh boasts to be the best of the deceivers, Al-Makireena like Allah the devil

abdelrahman:

but Jeremiah said Yahweh deceived him?
Is he lying?
On the verse that I explained to u, whether u agree or not,it ain't my concern.

abdelrahman:
but Jeremiah said Yahweh deceived him?

Is he lying?


On the verse that I explained to u, whether u agree or not,it ain't my concern.

abdelrahman:
but Jeremiah said Yahweh deceived him?

Is he lying?

On the verse that I explained to u, whether u agree or not,it ain't my concern.

haekymbahd:
Bro it is better you leave that guy alone. Even if you show him proofs he would still deny and misinterprete verses.


Arabic differs from English. A Word in Arabic might have more than one interpretation in English so it better to read the context before interpretating. They know but not just willing to admit.

2 Thessalonians 2
11Therefore God sends upon them a misleading influence, a working of error and a strong delusion to make them believe what is false,

He will want to disprove this but wouldn't listen if you explain the Quran verse..