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MaxInDHouse:
Never!
You can never ever find one!

LordReed: I rise.
Case closed.

@ DeepSight
Jehovah's Witnesses are not boastful in any way but when it comes to qualities that belongs to us we must boast before everyone that such qualifies belongs only to our family it's like seeing someone who claims he or she owns something that you are sure belongs only to your family yet the person said he is not a member of your family.
Surely you will not take it, will you?

DeepSight:
LordReed: I rise.
Case closed.

This is what Jehovah says: “Let not the wise man boast about his wisdom; Let not the mighty man boast about his mightiness; And let not the rich man boast about his riches.”  “But let the one BOASTING BOAST about this: That he has insight and knowledge of me, That I am Jehovah, the One showing loyal love, justice, and righteousness in the earth, For in these things I take delight,” declares Jehovah. Jeremiah 9:23-24
Thanks for your time!

DeepSight:
LordReed: I rise.
Case closed.

And he still doesn't get it. LoLz.

LordReed:
And he still doesn't get it. LoLz.

Of course he surrendered!

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly!
That's the quality our God commanded us to search for in all the people we meet {Luke 10:6} in fact we are asked to make such a person one of us {Luke 10:7} so if you claim to be humble and you are not one of Jehovah's Witnesses i will prove you wrong because that quality belongs only to worshipers of my own God who must inherit the earth when all evildoers has been destroyed! Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:9-11

Just listen to yourself, my friend. Everyone who is not a member of your cult is not humble, an evil doer, and must be destroyed.

Nnamdipapa:
Just listen to yourself, my friend. Everyone who is not a member of your cult is not humble, an evil doer, and must be destroyed.

I know you've been reading under-G but kept mute instead of asking questions regarding what you are reading.

Well humility connotes submissiveness please let whoever claims he is humble present the school of thought to which he is humbly obedient and his fellow obedient students having the same line of thought which works out REAL BENEFITS!
In the absence of that whoever claims he is humble is deceiving himself.
If everyone claims we are all humble then why are we having serious issues that's leading to hatred and killings among us? Revelations 6:3-4
Do you think humility and killings goes together?
Humility should gather it's own children for the whole world to see that there is a global family who are obediently adhering to what they are being taught and such humility should be appealing to everyone who loves peace. Matthew 5:14-16

Please ask anyone you know here to present the school of thought to which he is humbly obedient to the same line of thought that's working out REAL BENEFITS among all the students of the same faculty!

MaxInDHouse:
The title "GOD" reminds us of the supernatural so we don't expect to see such with our physical eyes rather we can only perceive God through our mind's eyes.
For example all sane adults know that papers don't fly but can you convince your little child that papers can't fly without something carrying it?
Surely you have to tell the child that there is an invisible moving matter carrying the visible paper.
Likewise when talking about God or Gods the only way to perceive them is through the reactions of humans they are controlling.
Most people finds it difficult to believe in God because they can't see Him but they believe the wind even though they can't see it.
WHY?
Because wind when heavy carried different objects and move them towards the same direction!

Contrary to popular opinion, most people don't believe in God not because they can't see him but because they can't demonstrate his existence.
For example, all scientists believe in radio wave not because they can see it but because they can demonstrate it, so also microwave, magnetic field, electron charge etc.
So, if you can demonstrate
God repeatedly, they will believe him even without seeing, hearing or touching him.

So if you see people from different races, languages, nations, tribes and tongues unitedly doing what is good while the rest from those same places finds it extremely difficult to cohabit peacefully do you just assume that such a thing happened coincidentally?

Do all these people from different races have access to the same book (guide)?
If yes (which I'm sure is the case) could it be that the guiding principle is the common believe in the book rather than of some mysterious force?

justlove91:
Contrary to popular opinion, most people don't believe in God not because they can't see him but because they can't demonstrate his existence.
For example, all scientists believe in radio wave not because they can see it but because they can demonstrate it, so also microwave, magnetic field, electron charge etc.
So, if you can demonstrate
God repeatedly, they will believe him even without seeing, hearing or touching him.

Did scientists create any of the things you mentioned?
NO, they can only explain how they works with the knowledge they had about these things.
The same applies to the knowledge of God's presence we believe because we are seeing the result of His presence in our midst as explained by those given the knowledge.

justlove91:
Do all these people from different races have access to the same book (guide)?
If yes (which I'm sure is the case) could it be that the guiding principle is the common believe in the book rather than of some mysterious force?

NO!
Billions across the globe have access to the same book but God is not with them that's why they can't make use of the book to achieve what He promised obedient humans!

MaxInDHouse:
Please Mr DeepSight i wish we discuss more on profitable knowledge that comes with real benefits not just carrying informations for the sake of it but to find practical application for what we think we know and helping others to make the best use of it for one and all!

If there is nothing more tonight i wish you a good night sleep.

See you some other time!

Do you realise that something can have real benefits and use and still not real??
Take money as an example, it has real benefits and use to individuals and economy but money in itself doesn't have any inherent value or reality. The value it has is a collective agreement among humans to conform that value to it.
A belief system can have benefits and use but the question is is it true?
So, a belief can be untrue and have benefit and a belief can also be true and have no benefit or use.

justlove91:
Do you realise that something can have real benefits and use and still not real??
Take money as an example, it has real benefits and use to individuals and economy but money in itself doesn't have any inherent value or reality. The value it has is a collective agreement among humans to conform that value to it.
A belief system can have benefits and use but the question is is it true?
So, a belief can be untrue and have benefit and a belief can also be true and have no benefit or use.

Money has artificial value that's why the people that believe in it keep on fighting and killing themselves just to safeguard that artificial value given it. When something is of real value everyone no matter where you live or your class or status will get the benefits.
So faith in God can't be compared to money that's given artificial value among it's users because if it truly has real value then they don't have to start fighting and killing themselves over it!

MaxInDHouse:
Did scientists create any of the things you mentioned?
NO, they can only explain how they works with the knowledge they had about these things.
The same applies to the knowledge of God's presence we believe because we are seeing the result of His presence in our midst as explained by those given the knowledge.

How could we be sure that the result you see is not due to something else entirely? To say it is God is just a claim.
If someone predicted an event 100% accurately and claims it is God that told him , how do we know for sure that is exactly what happened? The event (prediction) is real (no doubt) but is the explanation (claim) also real??

NO!
Billions across the globe have access to the same book but God is not with them that's why they can't make use of the book to achieve what He promised obedient humans!

Truely billions across the globe have access to the same book but do they have the same interpretation of the same book?
You (JW) and every other denominations have different interpretation of the same book thus, different belief systems from others.
And it is through this your belief system that you were able to self fulfil the promises.

MaxInDHouse:
Money has artificial value that's why the people that believe in it keep on fighting and killing themselves just to safeguard that artificial value given it. When something is of real value everyone no matter where you live or your class or status will get the benefits.
So faith in God can't be compared to money that's given artificial value among it's users because if it truly has real value then they don't have to start fighting and killing themselves over it!

Lol.... Faith in God also causes people to fight themselves nah.

The fact that people fight because of a belief doesn't make it untrue and the fact that people do not fight because of a belief doesn't make it true.

justlove91:
How could we be sure that the result you see is not due to something else entirely? To say it is God is just a claim.
If someone predicted an event 100% accurately and claims it is God that told him , how do we know for sure that is exactly what happened? The event (prediction) is real (no doubt) but is the explanation (claim) also real??

Let's take the prophecy word by word and see how it was fulfilled!
God promised that in the last days pure worship will attract people from all races! Isaiah 2:2; Micah 4:1
Next He said they will be calling one another to focus on what is found written in His words: this means studying this book with one line of thought! Isaiah 2:3; Micah 4:2
Next God revealed what they will begin to do after getting the accurate knowledge of what is written in the book:
They will resolve all their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, stop producing, buying, selling and using of weapons and finally they will vow never to raise weapons against anyone! Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3
The fulfillment began when Jesus of Nazareth started calling his own people (Jews) in the first century to teach them how they can carry this message throughout the earth {Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8} his own people turned against the idea because it sounds absurd to them as they don't feel he was doing the right thing so he told his disciples to take the message to people of the nations who are willing to become friends of peace {Luke 10:6} after some time those that know Jesus died and politicians started claiming they are his disciples but forcing their rule on people something Jesus never taught his own disciples! Matthew 10:16
So the message was sealed for almost 2000 years and just as the book said our time is when freedom of speech expression and worship was declared by the world power (America) this allows for Jesus' peaceful disciples to form what the book foretold and they started taking the message to all the nations of the world. Today people know Jehovah's Witnesses as the most peaceful religion but they don't know what is happening for real!

justlove91:
Truely billions across the globe have access to the same book but do they have the same interpretation of the same book?
You (JW) and every other denominations have different interpretation of the same book thus, different belief systems from others.
And it is through this your belief system that you were able to self fulfil the promises.

Regarding the highlighted God promised only the righteous will understand His words {Daniel 12:10} and how are we going to IDENTIFY the group that has the accurate knowledge of the book?
Jesus explained that it's by the activities of the people each religion is teaching that will help you to know because there is a goal for which Christianity was commissioned so it's only the religion meeting up this goal that has the understanding of what is written in that book! Matthew 7:16-18

Of course there are tens of thousands of different religions claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines but how many are fulfilling what God promised in that prophecy?

I wasn't born a JW but after finding out the purpose for which Christianity was commissioned i believe that truly God exist had it not been Jehovah's Witnesses Organization nobody can convince me that there is any God!😟

justlove91:
Lol.... Faith in God also causes people to fight themselves nah.
The fact that people fight because of a belief doesn't make it untrue and the fact that people do not fight because of a belief doesn't make it true.

You need wisdom my friend!

It's not faith in God that causes people to fight rather it's politics.
Let me enlighten you a bit.
If you believe in Ṣàngó (the god of thunder) and i believe in Ògún (the god of iron) the only reason for us to fight is when we want to control territories not because of the gods we believe so some gullible people will carry weapons in your support while another set of gullible people will do the same for me.

The true God doesn't take pleasure in worshipers fighting and killing for His worship rather we are to use our values to prove that we have something better than worshipers of all other gods!

DeepSight:
Let us discuss.

As a teenager, I veered towards becoming a Jehovah's Witness. I was introduced to their literature by my late father. He wasnt one, but liked the literature. There is literally none of the major literature I have not read and digested, from "Mankind's Search for God" (my favorite) to "Reasoning from the Scriptures," . . . "You can Live forever in paradise on Earth." . . . "Questions Young People Ask (and how to answer them)" . . . .Too many to mention along with the regular "Awake!" and "The Watchtower" magazines.

I was at a point completely convinced of the intergrity and scriptural accuracy of the Jehovah's witnesses. Aside from the dedication to scripture and repudiation of a lot of false and pagan doctrines (Trinity, Hell Fire as well as pagan celebrations such as Easter and Christmas) they had a genuinely humble, simple and endearing style and approach. They were always welcome for Bible Study in our homes and I had already begun looking at which Kingdom Halls I would prefer to worship with.

The things that began to make me drift away were actually simple enough. Such as the blood transfuson issue. Up till today, from a scriptural (and I dare say even spiritual angle) I believe that the JW approach is coherent - as they often said, if the doctor asks you not to drink alcohol, you should not then take it intravenously. So since scipture says dont eat blood, then you should not take it intravenously either. On the spiritual side, the Bible itself says "the life is in the blood" and I also imagine that mixing blood could mix certain magnetic and spiritual vibrations personal to individuals.

Nonetheless I wondered at a point what sort of rigidity could lead the JW to prefer the death of even their children to a blood transfusion. Frankly this was my first hesitation.

Others came with time and were not limited to the views of JWs but rather to my growing questioning of the nature of reality, God and life. I became generally irreligious and began to see God as an impersonal existential force. In later life, the practice of shunning is something I came to understand and detest with JWs. I still find it very cult-like and unchristian.

So there you are. Over to you.

I also belief this. I would like to ask you a few questions. Do you belief this force is :
1. Self aware
2. Thinking (intelligent)
3. With emotional attributes such as love, kindness, compassion.
4. Moral or amoral

justlove91:
I also belief this. I would like to ask you a few questions. Do you belief this force is :
1. Self aware
2. Thinking (intelligent)
3. With emotional attributes such as love, kindness, compassion.
4. Moral or amoral

1. Possible. May also be that the self awareness is through us. Not just humans, all living things.

2. Same as 1 above.

3. With all potentialities and possibilities including darkness, evil, hatred etc.

4. Completely neutral.

Cc LordReed

MaxInDHouse:
Let's take the prophecy word by word and see how it was fulfilled!
God promised that in the last days pure worship will attract people from all races! Isaiah 2:2; Micah 4:1
Next He said they will be calling one another to focus on what is found written in His words: this means studying this book with one line of thought! Isaiah 2:3; Micah 4:2
Next God revealed what they will begin to do after getting the accurate knowledge of what is written in the book:
They will resolve all their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, stop producing, buying, selling and using of weapons and finally they will vow never to raise weapons against anyone! Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3
The fulfillment began when Jesus of Nazareth started calling his own people (Jews) in the first century to teach them how they can carry this message throughout the earth {Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8} his own people turned against the idea because it sounds absurd to them as they don't feel he was doing the right thing so he told his disciples to take the message to people of the nations who are willing to become friends of peace {Luke 10:6} after some time those that know Jesus died and politicians started claiming they are his disciples but forcing their rule on people something Jesus never taught his own disciples! Matthew 10:16
So the message was sealed for almost 2000 years and just as the book said our time is when freedom of speech expression and worship was declared by the world power (America) this allows for Jesus' peaceful disciples to form what the book foretold and they started taking the message to all the nations of the world. Today people know Jehovah's Witnesses as the most peaceful religion but they don't know what is happening for real!




Regarding the highlighted God promised only the righteous will understand His words {Daniel 12:10} and how are we going to IDENTIFY the group that has the accurate knowledge of the book?
Jesus explained that it's by the activities of the people each religion is teaching that will help you to know because there is a goal for which Christianity was commissioned so it's only the religion meeting up this goal that has the understanding of what is written in that book! Matthew 7:16-18

Of course there are tens of thousands of different religions claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines but how many are fulfilling what God promised in that prophecy?

I wasn't born a JW but after finding out the purpose for which Christianity was commissioned i believe that truly God exist had it not been Jehovah's Witnesses Organization nobody can convince me that there is any God!😟

Sorry, I still hold that what happens is that the organization read the prophecies in the book and made it its mission to fulfil it, the reason others don't achieve your level of "success" is because they did not make it their mission.

You want me to believe there is a kind of divine glue holding you all together but I know there are many ex JWs whose beliefs in time deviated from you all and left just as people leave other religions, so there is nothing special.

MaxInDHouse:
You need wisdom my friend!

It's not faith in God that causes people to fight rather it's politics.
Let me enlighten you a bit.
If you believe in Ṣàngó (the god of thunder) and i believe in Ògún (the god of iron) the only reason for us to fight is when we want to control territories not because of the gods we believe so some gullible people will carry weapons in your support while another set of gullible people will do the same for me.

The true God doesn't take pleasure in worshipers fighting and killing for His worship rather we are to use our values to prove that we have something better than worshipers of all other gods!

Does the creator (God) has to be moral or care about whether we kill each other or not??
Is it possible for God to just create and leave (or step aside) just like the Deist God.

DeepSight:
1. Possible. May also be that the self awareness is through us. Not just humans, all living things.

2. Same as 1 above.

3. With all potentialities and possibilities including darkness, evil, hatred etc.

4. Completely neutral.

Cc LordReed

Interesting.
1. Is creation an intentional act or does it exist just as a result of the existence of this force .
2. Does existence has inherent meaning or purpose? (Question 1 in another form).
3. If the force is morally neutral, does that mean divine justice is a myth?

justlove91:
Sorry, I still hold that what happens is that the organization read the prophecies in the book and made it its mission to fulfil it, the reason others don't achieve your level of "success" is because they did not make it their mission.

God promised to help HUMBLE people to understand this message so what we need is HUMILITY and RIGHTEOUSNESS {Zephaniah 2:2-3} whoever wants to get the sense of this message must come with a pure heart not crooked mind! Psalms 24:3-4
So it's not a matter of choosing to make fulfilling this our mission rather God is the one showing us how to go about it because we are humble people seeking righteousness with pure heart!

justlove91:
You want me to believe there is a kind of divine glue holding you all together but I know there are many ex JWs whose beliefs in time deviated from you all and left just as people leave other religions, so there is nothing special.

Please read what the Psalmist said regarding pure worship during the end time:
Who may ascend to the mountain of Jehovah, And who may stand up in his holy place?  Anyone with innocent hands and a pure heart, Who has not sworn a false oath by My life, Nor taken an oath deceitfully. Psalms 24:3-4
Ex-jws are people with crooked minds so they can't cope with the needed changes to continue being among God's people that's why they left. As sinners the journey to salvation is not on a smooth path so it involves a lot of discomfort! Matthew 7:13-14
There is something strange you haven't noticed about exjws:
They are not happy because they can never ever find a better replacement for God's organization! Matthew 25:30

justlove91:
Does the creator (God) has to be moral or care about whether we kill each other or not??
Is it possible for God to just create and leave (or step aside) just like the Deist God.

Think about the title "GOD" it connotes BEING SUPREME so how do you expect the one who is supreme to prove His supremacy when there is no orderliness in His domain?
God didn't create us for nothing rather He wants us to enjoy life to the fullest that's what brings Him praise and glory not when life is purposeless!😟

DeepSight:
1. Possible. May also be that the self awareness is through us. Not just humans, all living things.

2. Same as 1 above.

3. With all potentialities and possibilities including darkness, evil, hatred etc.

4. Completely neutral.

Cc LordReed

Sounds very deistic. LoLz.

LordReed:
Sounds very deistic. LoLz.

My dear LordReed, I tell you, in my musings I have come to the conclusion that no man can really decipher existence. And its probably programmed to be that way. The minute you decipher it, the mystery and suspense will be gone. It may also shatter your reality.

I want you to understand that I do not believe for a minute that I know what this life is about. I just muse and think. And you are a real great sport as a thinking partner. I would be delighted to meet you one day by the grace of God.

DeepSight:
My dear LordReed, I tell you, in my musings I have come to the conclusion that no man can really decipher existence. And its probably programmed to be that way. The minute you decipher it, the mystery and suspense will be gone. It may also shatter your reality.

I want you to understand that I do not believe for a minute that I know what this life is about. I just muse and think. And you are a real great sport as a thinking partner. I would be delighted to meet you one day by the grace of God.

Oh indeed would love to buy you your favourite brew and have a chat, you sound like a cool dude.

I agree, life and the universe around us is full of the mysterious. All we can do is add to the knowledge pool for our future generations to build on while living the best life we can.

justlove91:
Interesting.
1. Is creation an intentional act or does it exist just as a result of the existence of this force .

Probably a natural emanation. As light proceeds from the sun, as an analogy.

2. Does existence has inherent meaning or purpose? (Question 1 in another form).

It may, and that meaning may be consciousness.

3. If the force is morally neutral, does that mean divine justice is a myth?

Not necessarily. If you jump up and fall down as a result, is that justice or just the laws of physics?

cc LordReed

LordReed:
Oh indeed would love to buy you your favourite brew and have a chat, you sound like a cool dude.

Lets plan it. I live in Lagos. Send me a DM.

I agree, life and the universe around us is full of the mysterious. All we can do is add to the knowledge pool for our future generations to build on while living the best life we can.

Thinking of life (the meaning of our existence) can be distressful. As you said, best to make the best of it while we are alive.

DeepSight:
Lets plan it. I live in Lagos. Send me a DM.

Sent bro.

Thinking of life (the meaning of our existence) can be distressful. As you said, best to make the best of it while we are alive.

It can be especially when you think of the suffering.

LordReed:
Oh indeed would love to buy you your favourite brew and have a chat, you sound like a cool dude.

I agree, life and the universe around us is full of the mysterious. All we can do is add to the knowledge pool for our future generations to build on while living the best life we can.

Lolz, it's the classic beggars playbook. What do i know and what's my biz anyway.
Here are two guys confessing cluelessness and they laugh off those who seem to have an idea. Exactly the way the world is. Gold.

Image123:
Lolz, it's the classic beggars playbook. What do i know and what's my biz anyway.
Here are two guys confessing cluelessness and they laugh off those who seem to have an idea. Exactly the way the world is. Gold.

LoLz. Somebody is on a long thing. Bwahahahahahaha!