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There's been widespread bias about the tree of knowledge of good and evil and especially because it's one of the most hidden parts of the scripture.

This has lead to people coming up with different theories and philosophies about what it could be. Some think that it's actual knowledge, implying that the Adams were ignorant, a belief which is unlikely as Adam was taught by God, meaning he'll be the most intelligent of the human race.

So in this video, our brothers shed more light on the tree and reveals what it actually it and as regards it being the tree of extremes even though moderacy is godliness. This means the experience (eating) of extremes provided by the trees was ungodliness.

Kindly watch and share with your loved ones

https://youtube.com/shorts/lYxQuaac-aI?feature=share

This is the tree of extremes, the good and the not good.

This needs to be watched by everyone who's had thoughts and questions

The fruit of the tree open their eyes to the principles of duality. Everything in life exists in pairs. Hot and cold
Up and down
Beautiful and ugly
Tall and short.
Good and bad.
Birth and death. Etc.
The most interesting part is that they are all from same source. While to God it is a singular, to us it is a duality. The God who creates is the same God who destroys..Nothing happens without his OK.

I don't understand you

sonmvayina:
The fruit of the tree open their eyes to the principles of duality. Everything in life exists in pairs. Hot and cold
Up and down
Beautiful and ugly
Tall and short.
Good and bad.
Birth and death. Etc.
The most interesting part is that they are all from same source. While to God it is a singular, to us it is a duality. The God who creates is the same God who destroys..Nothing happens without his OK.

oridavid:
I don't understand you

I mean everything is dual to us but singular to God.
When we see light and darkness....God sees them as the same.
When we see destruction and creation....to God they both mean same thing..

Are these personal ideas?

sonmvayina:
I mean everything is dual to us but singular to God.
When we see light and darkness....God sees them as the same.
When we see destruction and creation....to God they both mean same thing..

oridavid:
Are these personal ideas?

That's what the Tanakh teaches.

God creates and God destroys.
He forms light and creates darkness.

He is responsible for both.

It is the Christians that have a separate God for Good and another for evil. It was never so from the beginning. The Jews are strict monotheist. The Christians are not.

There are 4 Gods in Christianity
God the father
God the son
God the holy Spirit
God the devil.

And for some reason, the first three has formed an alliance against the fourth but still can't defeat him. To the extent that they left the earth to him.

Shame.
What a shame.

oridavid:
Some think that it's actual knowledge, implying that the Adams were ignorant, a belief which is unlikely as Adam was taught by God, meaning he'll be the most intelligent of the human race.

Taught by God to tend a tiny garden naked, as opposed to rule the earth and subdue and multiply and be blessed? Not very knowledgeable, I rare say.

They called it the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, so what else could it possibly be?

The text even goes on to emphasis its effect on those who ate it:

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 7And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Or would you argue that ignorant people who have not nourished themselves with knowledge can be wise, even if you don't want to agree that it is knowledge that opens eyes?

But I must confess that I am not in the least surprised at this your view. Those in Plato's Cave would not enter, nor would they allow those who would to enter neither

Yet, your eyes will open one day!

I actually made a video on this particular topic where I explained what it says that God forms light and darkness and all that.

I'll appreciate of you watched it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQICj72-FI

sonmvayina:
That's what the Tanakh teaches.

God creates and God destroys.
He forms light and creates darkness.

He is responsible for both.

It is the Christians that have a separate God for Good and another for evil. It was never so from the beginning. The Jews are strict monotheist. The Christians are not.

Thank you.....
I made a video explaining a lot of these things and especially as regards tree of knowledge of good and evil, procreation and so much more.

I'll appreciate it if you watched it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzv5KM9Db3c

budaatum:
Taught by God to tend a tiny garden naked, as opposed to rule the earth and subdue and multiply and be blessed? Not very knowledgeable, I rare say.

They called it the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, so what else could it possibly be?

The text even goes on to emphasis its effect on those who ate it:

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 7And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Or would you argue that ignorant people who have not nourished themselves with knowledge can be wise, even if you don't want to agree that it is knowledge that opens eyes?

But I must confess that I am not in the least surprised at this your view. Those in Plato's Cave would not enter, nor would they allow those who would to enter neither

Yet, your eyes will open one day!

oridavid:
Thank you.....
I made a video explaining a lot of these things and especially as regards tree of knowledge of good and evil, procreation and so much more.

I'll appreciate it if you watched it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzv5KM9Db3c

I stopped when you got to the tree of knowledge. And I appreciate the mind you bring to this.

First, God did not tell those he created in his image not to eat the fruits of the tree of knowledge of good and evil or they will die if they did. God is specifically written to have said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food".

As for the serpent, I appreciate you understanding that it was Eve using her mind to question what she was told, unlike Adam who was content to do as he was told. I in fact call Eve the second scientist, because after God, she was the second to use her mind to hover over her environment and question what she found.

Got to go hospital now. Might watch the rest if they make me wait.

If you stopped watching then you’d never get a whole picture of the point I was making. I appreciate that you even tried but I’ll encourage you to watch the whole video, you’ll see it’ll make more sense and you’d be able to form a better argument against my point.

So far, your point don’t stand against mine because I’ve already discussed your point in the video. Kindly watch to the end, please.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzv5KM9Db3c?si=4Ca3zCPuKJfia2I6

budaatum:
I stopped when you got to the tree of knowledge. And I appreciate the mind you bring to this.

First, God did not tell those he created in his image not to eat the fruits of the tree of knowledge of good and evil or they will die if they did. God is specifically written to have said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food".

As for the serpent, I appreciate you understanding that it was Eve using her mind to question what she was told, unlike Adam who was content to do as he was told. I in fact call Eve the second scientist, because after God, she was the second to use her mind to hover over her environment and question what she found.

Got to go hospital now. Might watch the rest if they make me wait.

oridavid:
If you stopped watching then you’d never get a whole picture of the point I was making. I appreciate that you even tried but I’ll encourage you to watch the whole video, you’ll see it’ll make more sense and you’d be able to form a better argument against my point.

So far, your point don’t stand against mine because I’ve already discussed your point in the video. Kindly watch to the end, please.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzv5KM9Db3c?si=4Ca3zCPuKJfia2I 6

I accepted your reminder, and got to "the tree is sex organ", and can only say you are making stuff up.

Those God told to multiply will and must, procreate! So saying it was not God's agenda can only apply to Adam who was created from mud, and not to God's Image. God never told those he created in his Image not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, so I guess he's telling his Image to go have sex, since he also told them to multiply too, but banned sex for Adam who was told to not eat for in the day that he does eat he will die.

The mistake made by many is in assuming Adam, who was created from mud after God had rested on the sabbath, is the same as the humans God is written to have created in his image on day 6. You then have to do some wuruwuru gymnastics to make the instruction given to them separately seem like instructions given to them together, despite the obvious differences.

British people were also sold this belief that they were Adam, by Rome, and they believed it for like 1500 years. But when their eyes finally opened, they ruled and subdued so much that the sun never set on their empire, and still doesn't, if you consider their empire to be where thier language is currently spoken instead of land they directly rule.

Nigeria will do greater things than they did, when we finally open our eyes and see what we read with our own eyes instead of just believing what we are told.

Sorry, but you can't get any more of my time watching than this.

OK no problem. Thank you for your time so far.

So, I would imagine that you think God has two separate wills - one for Adam and one for the other man you mentioned. That's fine.

I can understand why you think that way and I really do not want to try to change it.

budaatum:
I accepted your reminder, and got to "the tree is sex organ", and can only say you are making stuff up.

Those God told to multiply will and must, procreate! So saying it was not God's agenda can only apply to Adam who was created from mud, and not to God's Image. God never told those he created in his Image not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, so I guess he's telling his Image to go have sex, since he also told them to multiply too, but banned sex for Adam who was told to not eat for in the day that he does eat he will die.

The mistake made by many is in assuming Adam, who was created from mud after God had rested on the sabbath, is the same as the humans God is written to have created in his image on day 6. You then have to do some wuruwuru gymnastics to make the instruction given to them separately seem like instructions given to them together, despite the obvious differences.

British people were also sold this belief that they were Adam, by Rome, and they believed it for like 1500 years. But when their eyes finally opened, they ruled and subdued so much that the sun never set on their empire, and still doesn't, if you consider their empire to be where thier language is currently spoken instead of land they directly rule.

Nigeria will do greater things than they did, when we finally open our eyes and see what we read with our own eyes instead of just believing what we are told.

Sorry, but you can't get any more of my time watching than this.

oridavid:
OK no problem. Thank you for your time so far.

So, I would imagine that you think God has two separate wills - one for Adam and one for the other man you mentioned. That's fine.

I can understand why you think that way and I really do not want to try to change it.

Actually I think the writers of the story had separate intentions, one for themselves and the other for the outsiders who read their book. The first creation story is for them, while the second is for those they enslaved.

The origin of both myths are not even Israelites, and existed long before Abraham, and were used by Egyptians to enslave long before Yahweh was a thing. They too believed they were created in the superior image of their gods, while their slaves were created from inferior mud.

But that might be taking you way far out of your realm, I guess, especially since you think you can change me, at which I can only laugh.

Just know that one must have more knowledge than those whom one wants to enslave. It worked for those who enslaved us, and it continues to work in the creation of almanjeris, who are enslaved in our northern Nigeria.

You can not rule the earth and subdue and multiply and be blessed if you refuse to nourish yourself with fruits of knowledge. Some who ate fruits of knowledge sang Rule Britannia before they got on ships to go rule the earth and subdue and multiply, and were obviously blessed. In their hay day, the sun never set on their empire. And those who didn't know a tree produced fruits of knowledge were their slaves who produced for their blessed masters.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhlgZ5Y5d60

Oh no! I really cannot change you and I'm not even trying. You can be whatever you want to be, my friend. That's fine with me. Let every man hold fast that which he believes, and when he dies, he shall see if he was wrong or right.

It's your responsibility to seek the truth, as is mine. I'd you think you know the truth, please hold fast to it. When you die, it'll be revealed to you whether you found the way or you were just delusional, and the same applies to me.

budaatum:
Actually I think the writers of the story had separate intentions, one for themselves and the other for the outsiders who read their book. The first creation story is for them, while the second is for those they enslaved.

The origin of both myths are not even Israelites, and existed long before Abraham, and were used by Egyptians to enslave long before Yahweh was a thing. They too believed they were created in the superior image of their gods, while their slaves were created from inferior mud.

But that might be taking you way far out of your realm, I guess, especially since you think you can change me, at which I can only laugh.

Just know that one must have more knowledge than those whom one wants to enslave. It worked for those who enslaved us, and it continues to work in the creation of almanjeris, who are enslaved in our northern Nigeria.

You can not rule the earth and subdue and multiply and be blessed if you refuse to nourish yourself with fruits of knowledge. Some who ate fruits of knowledge sang Rule Britannia before they got on ships to go rule the earth and subdue and multiply, and were obviously blessed. In their hay day, the sun never set on their empire. And those who didn't know a tree produced fruits of knowledge were their slaves who produced for their blessed masters.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhlgZ5Y5d60

oridavid:
Oh no! I really cannot change you and I'm not even trying. You can be whatever you want to be, my friend. That's fine with me. Let every man hold fast that which he believes, and when he dies, he shall see if he was wrong or right.

It's your responsibility to seek the truth, as is mine. I'd you think you know the truth, please hold fast to it. When you die, it'll be revealed to you whether you found the way or you were just delusional, and the same applies to me.

When I die, my dead body will be put in the ground 6ft deep where worms will eat my carcase and I wouldn't even know about it.

As for seeking the truth, I don't need to make crap up and believe it when the text is very clear and my eyes are open enough to see that the Adam created from mud was not created on the same day the image of God was created, and that they were not given the same instruction nor the same food to eat.

What amazes me is that it is not obvious to believers. But that, I guess, is what believing is all about. It does not involve asking and knocking and seeking with one's own heart and soul and mind and being, but believing what one is told to believe.

As for changing anyone, just know I am aware that some seeds will fall by the wayside, and the birds will devour them. And some will fall on stony places where they will not have much earth and will be scorched by the sun. And some will fall among thorns, which will choke them. But some fall on good ground and yield a crop: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Those who have ears to hear and eyes to look and see for themselves, will hear and see while here living on this earth, and would not wait till they are dead.

OK, please keep your belief and hold fast to it. I do not intend, neither am I interested in changing your belief.

budaatum:
When I die, my dead body will be put in the ground 6ft deep where worms will eat my carcase and I wouldn't even know about it.

As for seeking the truth, I don't need to make crap up and believe it when the text is very clear and my eyes are open enough to see that the Adam created from mud was not created on the same day the image of God was created, and that they were not given the same instruction nor the same food to eat.

What amazes me is that it is not obvious to believers. But that, I guess, is what believing is all about. It does not involve asking and knocking and seeking with one's own heart and soul and mind and being, but believing what one is told to believe.

As for changing anyone, just know I am aware that some seeds will fall by the wayside, and the birds will devour them. And some will fall on stony places where they will not have much earth and will be scorched by the sun. And some will fall among thorns, which will choke them. But some fall on good ground and yield a crop: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Those who have ears to hear and eyes to look and see for themselves, will hear and see while here living on this earth, and would not wait till they are dead.

As said, seeds.

You are not the only soil reading this thread.

oridavid:
OK, please keep your belief and hold fast to it. I do not intend, neither am I interested in changing your belief.

oridavid:
I actually made a video on this particular topic where I explained what it says that God forms light and darkness and all that.

I'll appreciate of you watched it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQICj72-FI

I have watched it. Check out my response on it.

Oh great, i think I replied you.

sonmvayina:
I have watched it. Check out my response on it.

Watch this

Have you seen this video?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6W0QRyqyVA