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raumdeuter:
For one Kirk there are thousands protected by guns daily

That is why police carry guns and if police cant get to you in time you need guns to protect yourself



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LflruqEMlVU?si=9tHriY3fGQqTigeh

How are they protected by guns? The little kids being shot at at schools..how are the protected?

IMAliyu2:
What do you think the proportional damage a mad person with a knife could do, compared to a mad person with a gun could do?

the proportional damage would be more with an individual wielding a gun

bayelsaowei:
How are they protected by guns? The little kids being shot at at schools..how are the protected?

When the lunatic criminal comes at you with a gun, How do you stop him? Or you think criminals will not get guns if they want to?

bayelsaowei:
the proportional damage would be more with an individual wielding a gun

Correct

Although I would be cautious if this administration were to ever start talking about gun control, because of their inherent partisanship.

Utah governor wished "the shooter wasn't one of us"

Who's us?
What does he mean by this? 🤔

IMAliyu2:
Utah governor wished "the shooter wasn't one of us"

Who's us?
What does he mean by this? 🤔

There's good context.

He wished the shooter wasn't Utahn. "We don't do that here".

https://www.fox2detroit.com/video/1706636

Ibime:
You are a neophyte in Politics.

Antifa is a European group of organisations which was formed to fight against Musolini and later Hitler and was backed by the Allies, most notably the Partisans who operated behind enemy lines in WW2.

Think before you speak. Is senator Rand Paul, Ben Shapiro etc. Mussolini it Hitler? How do you stay and think that people who would kill you for saying abortion is bad or people should not be chemically castrating children to push lgbt ideology are not Hitler themselves?

Ibime:
I don't know anything about your American Antifa till Trump started mentioning them in 2020 but I know on this side of the pond, I am at no harm walking past a group of Antifa. I don't support them, I just know they won't harm me, simple.

You don't know but anyone with sense would have done their due diligence, look them up and what they are about. Antifa almost assassinated Ben Shapiro, louder with crowder who was doing what Charlie kirk was doing long before Charlie picked up that idea tipped Ben Shapiro, they infiltrated antifa group. And police made arrest that day.

Steven Crowder had to stop because they were also gonna kill him.

Antifa started beating up right wing commentators who go to universities to give speeches all the way back in 2015. You heard about Trump mentioning them in 2020 > went ahead to say they are the savior of America.

Ibime:
Secondly, Antifa has no organised structure so I don't what are you talking about Tyler Robinson. Anyone can identify with their views, they have no membership. Same way Dylan Roof can subscribe to any of your right wing groups. But if American Antifa is pro-Hamas, then as usual everything dey get k-leg when e reach America. My hand no dey. The Antifa I know is the partisans in Europe that fought behind Nazi lines.

They congregate, they communicate, that's all the structure they need. We here about lone wolf too. People waging Jihad, no structure, no organization, but the ideology is there.

budaatum:
There's good context.

He wished the shooter wasn't Utahn. "We don't do that here".

https://www.fox2detroit.com/video/1706636

I'm not inclined to be so charitable.

Why bring that up, that way?
If the shooter was from out of state, or a different race, gender & religion like the right wingers on here were hoping.
Should/would it make a difference?

I know, we all know it would.

budaatum:
There's good context.

He wished the shooter wasn't Utahn. "We don't do that here".

https://www.fox2detroit.com/video/1706636

That is an example of the left mischaracterization to drive their agenda

"I was praying that if this happened to happen here it wont be one of us, Someone drove from another state, someone from anther country, sadly that prayer was not answered So it will be easier to say we dont do that here. Utah is a special place, we lead the nation in charitable giving , we lead the Nation in service. Sadly it was one of us"

You think they didnt hear the whole clip? They did but chose to catch a snippet to driv an agenda

e.g

Buda does not know Maths,
Ramdeter: I wish I can split your head and put this Maths textbook

Media agenda : Ramdeter wants to murder Buda but breaking his head

IMAliyu2:
I'm not inclined to be so charitable.
Why bring that up, that way?
If the shooter was from out of state, or a different race, gender & religion like the right wingers on here were hoping.
Should/would it make a difference?
I know, we all know it would.

Yes it would be easier to sell his state. Just the same way if a crime happens many of us say "We hope this is not one of us, not my family, Not a Nigerian, not an immigrant etc" since most rational human want to be associated with good rather than with evil

"So it will be easier to say we dont do that here. Utah is a special place, we lead the nation in charitable giving , we lead the Nation in service. Sadly it was one of us"

bemeruca:
This is the part you are supposed to say I am wrong about antifa.

But answer this.

1: Tell us about anytime the proud boys killed anyone

2: Tell us anytime they attacked anyone aside from antifa.

3: Tell us anytime they attacked any democrat

4: Tell us when they burn down an entire block including a police station.

The Proud Boys were formed in 2016 by Gavin McInnes, a Canadian far-right commentator and co-founder of Vice Media, as a self-described "Western chauvinist" fraternal organization. The group emerged during a period of heightened cultural and political polarization in the United States, particularly around the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Below is a concise explanation of why the Proud Boys were founded, based on their stated goals, McInnes’s public statements, and the broader context.

This is when antifa were harassing right wing speakers and beating up trump supporters.

They were formed to counter antifa

Antifa attacked senators and their families. So their leader took pictures with one senator, and a bunch of people on the right. Yeah, a group like that is never a danger, yet Biden left antifa and labelled them terrorists group while it was antifa burning an entire street, attacking government buildings and police station.

What a cheap trick to find safe space in the proud boys so you can obscure the fact that all assassins so far have been white and mostly republican voters / maga.
Then you go on with your antifa platitudes to feel pious.

I don't think anyone takes you serious here.

raumdeuter:
When the lunatic criminal comes at you with a gun, How do you stop him? Or you think criminals will not get guns if they want to?

criminalize gun possession/wielding by non law enforcement agents..

Because so far so good the guns aren't protecting people..its killing people more..more innocent people..

bayelsaowei:
criminalize gun possession/wielding by non law enforcement agents..

Because so far so good the guns aren't protecting people..its killing people more..more innocent people..

Criminalizing does not stop criminals. They are criminals because they do not care about laws

Drugs possession is criminal yet has that stopped drug possession all over?

Criminalizing guns is just making the innocent and law abiding citizen to be lame ducks

I have been in a situation where an entire University of almost 20k people were held to ransom by a few maybe 30 cultists and we were helpless and just hoping they are satisfied or their bullet has finished

In Nigeria where guns possession are illegal, every weekend one middle belt village is waiting knowing their death is coming from bandts and they just sit there and wait
During covid, "1 million boys" gang in Nigeria were going house to house beating, robbing and raping peoples wifes and daughters in their presence while they just wait and beg them

In Nigeria where I believe you are, armed robbers will write letters to you and keep that appointment, In a few cases when they hear that estate has soldiers who have guns, they avoid those places but attack the unarmed streets

Now that the shooter is neither a left lunatic nor a democrat, how do we handle this matter. ??

A shameful president rushed out to broadcast to blame the radical left for the incident.

If I was "shame" itself I wont even touch Trump.. something more than shame is what should engulf Trump and his irresponsible team..

Instead of the coconut head man to forge a path of peace and integration he went ahead to propagate the crack already existing in the country..

When I call Trump a vile man people here think ia m just exaggerating.

Benalvino3, raumdeuter, and all the right wing extremist.. how We wan manage this matter? You guys were all over the place trading blames (like your mentor Trump), rather than wait for conclusive investigation. I raise leg and hand for ona..

raumdeuter:
Criminalizing does not stop criminals. They are criminals because they do not care about laws

Drugs possession is criminal yet has that stopped drug possession all over?

Criminalizing guns is just making the innocent and law abiding citizen to be lame ducks

I have been in a situation where an entire University of almost 20k people were held to ransom by a few maybe 30 cultists and we were helpless and just hoping they are satisfied or their bullet has finished

In Nigeria where guns possession are illegal, every weekend one middle belt village is waiting knowing their death is coming from bandts and they just sit there and wait
During covid, "1 million boys" gang in Nigeria were going house to house beating, robbing and raping peoples wifes and daughters in their presence while they just wait and beg them

In Nigeria where I believe you are, armed robbers will write letters to you and keep that appointment, In a few cases when they hear that estate has soldiers who have guns, they avoid those places but attack the unarmed streets

please narrate all of these to Kirks wife and 2 kids..

The reaosn why americans die by guns is because they all own it..

To the extent that folks can move around with assault rifles and sniper guns?

Keep arguing until you become a victim.. you cant be helped.

raumdeuter:
e.g

Buda does not know Maths,
Ramdeter: I wish I can split your head and put this Maths textbook

Media agenda : Ramdeter wants to murder Buda but breaking his head

This is why I'm lost at your reluctance to accept the below is like the inverse.

Eg buda says publicly she wants Ramdeter to .......

Ramdeter is ...... by someone who listened to buda

Ergo buda had something to do with Ramdeter's ........

I mean, when dump mentions the g things and the bs that come out them pointed at Cheney, wouldn't he had contributed to it if someone just had?

Is the argument no one on the Right did Cheney so it don't count? Or are you saying the lefties did dump, and our own Pelosi etc because we evil.

I can't say I get it.

budaatum:
This is why I'm lost at your reluctance to accept the below is like the inverse.

Eg buda says publicly she wants Ramdeter to .......

Ramdeter is ...... by someone who listened to buda

Ergo buda had something to do with Ramdeter's ........

I mean, when dump mentions the g things and the bs that come out them pointed at Cheney, wouldn't he had contributed to it if someone just had?

Is the argument no one on the Right did Cheney so it don't count? Or are you saying the lefties did dump, and our own Pelosi etc because we evil.

I can't say I get it.

That Cheney is a perfect example

Trump said hand her a rifle and let her face 9 snipers (how things play out on war front)

The media claimed Trump wants Cheney killed by firing squad. Do you hand a rifle to someone facing a firing squad

bayelsaowei:
please narrate all of these to Kirks wife and 2 kids..

The reaosn why americans die by guns is because they all own it..

To the extent that folks can move around with assault rifles and sniper guns?

Keep arguing until you become a victim.. you cant be helped.

Guns have kept many safe and prevented criminals from going into peoples homes and killing them like goats like its done in Nigeria

bayelsaowei:
Now that the shooter is neither a left lunatic nor a democrat, how do we handle this matter. ??

A shameful president rushed out to broadcast to blame the radical left for the incident.

If I was "shame" itself I wont even touch Trump.. something more than shame is what should engulf Trump and his irresponsible team..

Instead of the coconut head man to forge a path of peace and integration he went ahead to propagate the crack already existing in the country..

When I call Trump a vile man people here think ia m just exaggerating.

Benalvino3, raumdeuter, and all the right wing extremist.. how We wan manage this matter? You guys were all over the place trading blames (like your mentor Trump), rather than wait for conclusive investigation. I raise leg and hand for ona..

The shooter is antifa. Antifa is part of the far left.
He wrote several antifa stuffs online and on his ammunition

raumdeuter:
Yes it would be easier to sell his state. Just the same way if a crime happens many of us say "We hope this is not one of us, not my family, Not a Nigerian, not an immigrant etc" since most rational human want to be associated with good rather than with evil

"So it will be easier to say we dont do that here. Utah is a special place, we lead the nation in charitable giving , we lead the Nation in service. Sadly it was one of us"

We are all fundamentally humans and have similar potentials for vice and virtues, I think anyone of any background has the potential for crime and sainthood. Including people I would consider "my people".

The only difference, is the ability to be reactionary and resort to tribalism if the perpetrator is "an outsider" and when it's from "one of us" all of a sudden the problem is "complex" and we need to meaningful discuss preventions & solutions.

raumdeuter:
Criminalizing does not stop criminals. They are criminals because they do not care about laws

Drugs possession is criminal yet has that stopped drug possession all over?

Criminalizing guns is just making the innocent and law abiding citizen to be lame ducks

I have been in a situation where an entire University of almost 20k people were held to ransom by a few maybe 30 cultists and we were helpless and just hoping they are satisfied or their bullet has finished

In Nigeria where guns possession are illegal, every weekend one middle belt village is waiting knowing their death is coming from bandts and they just sit there and wait
During covid, "1 million boys" gang in Nigeria were going house to house beating, robbing and raping peoples wifes and daughters in their presence while they just wait and beg them

In Nigeria where I believe you are, armed robbers will write letters to you and keep that appointment, In a few cases when they hear that estate has soldiers who have guns, they avoid those places but attack the unarmed streets

it will shock you to know that i am safe in Nigeria than I may be in the US. Even with the use-less government we have in nigeria, a place like lagos may just be safer than the US. Apart from locations that are heat affected zones like a part of the east (with unknown gun men), the north (with fulani herdsmen, bandits and bomoharam) no citizen in Nigeria would wake up to wield an assault rifle to shoot innocent kids..it is in the great america that such happens..



The US has the most formidable army and arsenal strenght in the world , but cant fight crime effectively.

They cant prevent mass shootings..what a shame!!

raumdeuter:
The shooter is antifa. Antifa is part of the far left.
He wrote several antifa stuffs online and on his ammunition

Chaiii...

raumdeuter:
Guns have kept many safe and prevented criminals from going into peoples homes and killing them like goats like its done in Nigeria

has it kept people safe, way more than it has done in comparison to sensible countries with less access to guns?

Take away guns, strengthen policing, and watch gun crimes reduce..

It is as simple as ABC.

raumdeuter:
That Cheney is a perfect example

Trump said hand her a rifle and let her face 9 snipers (how things play out on war front)

The media claimed Trump wants Cheney killed by firing squad. Do you hand a rifle to someone facing a firing squad

i would have thought mentioning Cheney and guns is dog whistling far enough from a person in his position, if you asked me. And you claim such instruction was given to the Kirk doer by the left, i think. No?

We after all talking about the sort of senseless people who'd hear the above and say they were personally instructed.

Case of maralago shooter going on by the way. I hear his making mockery defending himself.

A suspect on trial for trying to assassinate President Donald Trump while he played golf in South Florida last year forfeited his right to continue making an opening statement on Thursday when he veered off topic and talked about Adolf Hitler and the wars in Ukraine and Gaza.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-assassination-attempt-suspect-forfeits-opening-statement-at-trial

raumdeuter:
Radicalized youth by the media, Who called everyone they dont agree with fascist

A Jew hater, AntiFa group membership

Almost every leftist even on this forum agree with his beliefs

raumdeuter:
Dem called Charlie a fascist, The killer went to shoot a Fascist

The blood in on their hand

This is the definition of irresponsibility.

Blame your opponent or everyone else buy yourself for your wrongdoings and never accept that you are responsible for your own actions.

Blame the Left and the media for the wrongdoings of your own members but see no fault with your party or the individuals involved.

Yet the media and the Left have not brainwashed enough of their members to be ki lling people up and down, but the Right that listened to them suddenly got the motivation to commit the atrocities the brainwashers cannot do themselves.

May God help me to never raise or mentor any child to be irresponsible for their actions or for a moment think like this.

bayelsaowei:
it will shock you to know that i am safe in Nigeria than I may be in the US. Even with the use-less government we have in nigeria, a place like lagos may just be safer than the US. Apart from locations that are heat affected zones like a part of the east (with unknown gun men), the north (with fulani herdsmen, bandits and bomoharam) no citizen in Nigeria would wake up to wield an assault rifle to shoot innocent kids..it is in the great america that such happens..



The US has the most formidable army and arsenal strenght in the world , but cant fight crime effectively.

They cant prevent mass shootings..what a shame!!

Dey deceive yourself thinking Nigeria is close to being safer than the US. When you excluded the North, excluded the East, you will also exclude the middle belt of Benue, Plateau Kogi etc

So wetin come remain?

ObaIgwe1:
This is the definition of irresponsibility.

Blame your opponent or everyone else buy yourself for your wrongdoings and never accept that you are responsible for your own actions.

Blame the Left and the media for the wrongdoings of your own members but see no fault with your party or the individuals involved.

Yet the media and the Left have not brainwashed enough of their members to be ki lling people up and down, but the Right that listened to them suddenly got the motivation to commit the atrocities the brainwashers cannot do themselves.

May God help me to never raise or mentor any child to be irresponsible for their actions or for a moment think like this.

The killer of Kirk is a leftist antifa
the killer of the Jewish couple is a leftist who was shouting Globalize the intifada
The shooter of Trump is a leftist who donated to Actblue
The shooter of the catholic school in Minnesota is a leftist trans guy
The shooter of Steve Scalise is a Leftist Bernie supporter

Help us tell the left your side that violence and shooting people is not the solution

Charlie wantd to dialogue, Leftist antifa wanted to shoot him

bayelsaowei:


Chaiii...

Join and beg the left that violence is not the answer

bayelsaowei:
has it kept people safe, way more than it has done in comparison to sensible countries with less access to guns?

Take away guns, strengthen policing, and watch gun crimes reduce..

It is as simple as ABC.

Guns dont kill people, people especially radicalized leftists kill people

budaatum:
i would have thought mentioning Cheney and guns is dog whistling far enough from a person in his position, if you asked me. And you claim such instruction was given to the Kirk doer by the left, i think. No?

We after all talking about the sort of senseless people who'd hear the above and say they were personally instructed.

Case of maralago shooter going on by the way. I hear his making mockery defending himself.

There is context in speech, The context was in relation to sending young Americans to war which Cheney supports and Trump rightly said, she is keen about wars because she sits in DC in offices while other peoples children go to die in war

Let us hand her a rifle and have her face snipers to see if she still clamors for war

Its the irresponsible left media that was chasing an agenda who turned it around and ended up radicalizing insane leftists like the ones who killed Kirk