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Expanse2020:
Perhaps you should point it where it's said that or you misquoted

"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted - Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:" S. 86:5-7

Now let the mental gymnastics begin.

Expanse2020:
Perhaps you should point it where it's said that or you misquoted

"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted - Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:" S. 86:5-7

Now let's bring the tafsir of the verse so that U can redefine and fine tune your mental gymnastics properly.

Asrar - Kashf Al-Asrar
He was created of gushing water, emerging from between the loins and the chest.
When the human individual was created, he was created from water thrown and spilled, a water that came forth from the back of the man and from the bones within the woman's breast .

Jalal - Al-Jalalayn
the response is: He was created from a gushing fluid, gushing forth from the man and the woman into the womb.

Kathir- ibn- kathir-

(He is created from a water gushing forth.) meaning, the sexual fluid that comes out bursting forth from the man and the woman. Thus, the child is produced from both of them by the permission of Allah. Due to this Allah says,
يَخْرُجُ مِن بَيْنِ الصُّلْبِ وَالتَّرَآئِبِ
(Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.) meaning, the backbone (or loins) of the man and the ribs of the woman, which is referring to her chest. Shabib bin Bishr reported from `Ikrimah who narrated from Ibn `Abbas that he said,
يَخْرُجُ مِن بَيْنِ الصُّلْبِ وَالتَّرَآئِبِ
(Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.) "The backbone of the man and the ribs of the woman. It (the fluid) is yellow and fine in texture. The child will not be born except from both of them (i.e., their sexual fluids).'' Concerning Allah's statement,

Gabrielshow24:
* Do you agree that if scientific miracles confirm the Quran then it can be dismissed also by it. Keeping the above in mind let's continue Science only try their best because Science is just a theory proof that maybe right or wrong sometimes.
But QURAN AS A WORLD OF ALLAH CANNOT BE WRONG ONLY IF YOU OPEN YOUR HEARTH

SCIENCE can say Yes today and can said No tomorrow


The first one is just reaching. Let's grab some context from your books.

’Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds. He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure therein its sustenance, in four Days, alike for (all) who ask. THEN (thumma) He turned to the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience." So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge. S. 41:9-12

It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; THEN (thumma) He turned to the heavens, and made them into seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge. S. 2:29
’

Oga no jump quee and learn

Quran said in suratul Anbiya

Do the disbelievers (i.e. like you) not realize that the heavens and earth were ˹once˺ one mass then We split them apart? And We created from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?


And another ayat explained further that after the blast (Expansion)

Then He turned towards the heaven when it was ˹still like˺ smoke, saying to it and to the earth, ‘Submit, willingly or unwillingly.’ They both responded, ‘We submit willingly.’

The earth and the heaven is form

So what wrong about it and that the earth keep expanding

So what is lied about that because you can go and read more about big bang theory and stop lying to yourself


[s]* Iron comes from the sky🤔. Fascinating, ok let's debunk this. It seems you like to play with words🤨, continually switching between figurative and literally. Need I remind you that we find in the Quran cattle being sent down? We also find rain being sent down? So if you assert that because of the verse iron being sent down is a miracle, obviously alluding to the fact that iron is sent down from outer space, then we must conclude that rain comes from outer space and cattles were made on ’jupiter’—sarcasm. Apart from this, it's just ludicrous. If you want commentary then I will oblige you. Also, it's not scientific as it was pseudo knowledge from ancient times that such metals descend from outer space😮‍💨.
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Man stop deceiving yourself science
Science confirm that
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Simple search can answer your doubt instead of being ignorant here

The Quran states in Chapter 57 that "we sent down iron," which some interpret as a reference to its extraterrestrial origin from space via meteorites, aligning with modern scientific understanding that iron on Earth primarily originated from cosmic events like supernovae and was later delivered to the planet. The verse emphasizes iron's "great force and many uses for mankind," highlighting its importance as a material and component, which is also a scientifically known fact.
I will continue the rest.

Quran said there eyes, hear and heart is blocked from seeing the signs and wonder .... So why would they not disagreed

SIRTee15:
"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted - Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:" S. 86:5-7

Now let the mental gymnastics begin.

So what confused you sir about that....
What is the false there

Expanse2020:
Quran said there eyes, hear and heart is blocked from seeing the signs and wonder .... So why would they not disagreed

🥱
Any claim must be substantiated. If it can't then definitely it's not from God. Surely, God can't write this before the foundation of the world🤕. Thus, It was written by men that didn't know any better.

Expanse2020:
Quran said there eyes, hear and heart is blocked from seeing the signs and wonder .... So why would they not disagreed

why not let the reader properly see what you wrote instead of jumbling it up with mine?

If I didn't read the page 2 of this thread again I won't have stumbled on your insufficient garble.

Let's start with iron, you said I should query. I am not moved by that. Your assertion is simple because it's written ’we sent down iron’, you relate it to some cosmic object falling from outer space. Now, we also find in your book. Cattle being ’sent down’, rain being sent down as well. So are these also coming from outer space?🥱 Definitely, not. Your allusions are wrong and your framework is inconsistent!

’So what wrong about it and that the earth keep expanding’
Did you even read what you wrote? Is the Earth expanding? Can any one not see this inconsistent 🤨 dude? You appeal to the heavens as expanding, consequently retroactively interpreting it as the ’universe expanding’ but we find the same word used for the earth🤨. Now in your bid to confirm your allusion, you have thrown away this argument. Indeed, not even a kindergarten will say the ’earth keep expanding’🥱.

Pls, in the light of this, keep your scientific miracles to yourself.

SIRTee15:
"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted - Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:" S. 86:5-7

Now let's bring the tafsir of the verse so that U can redefine and fine tune your mental gymnastics properly.

Asrar - Kashf Al-Asrar
He was created of gushing water, emerging from between the loins and the chest.
When the human individual was created, he was created from water thrown and spilled, a water that came forth from the back of the man and from the bones within the woman's breast .

Jalal - Al-Jalalayn
the response is: He was created from a gushing fluid, gushing forth from the man and the woman into the womb.

Kathir- ibn- kathir-

(He is created from a water gushing forth.) meaning, the sexual fluid that comes out bursting forth from the man and the woman. Thus, the child is produced from both of them by the permission of Allah. Due to this Allah says,
يَخْرُجُ مِن بَيْنِ الصُّلْبِ وَالتَّرَآئِبِ
(Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.) meaning, the backbone (or loins) of the man and the ribs of the woman, which is referring to her chest. Shabib bin Bishr reported from `Ikrimah who narrated from Ibn `Abbas that he said,
يَخْرُجُ مِن بَيْنِ الصُّلْبِ وَالتَّرَآئِبِ
(Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.) "The backbone of the man and the ribs of the woman. It (the fluid) is yellow and fine in texture. The child will not be born except from both of them (i.e., their sexual fluids).'' Concerning Allah's statement,

So what did you fail to understand there sir

Is fluid the not different from sperm it's self
And the fluid produce from the back is located inside the seminal fluid

Let go back to biology

Seminal fluid
(also called semen) is the thick, whitish fluid that is released from the male reproductive system during ejaculation.

It is made up of two main parts:

1. Sperm cells – the reproductive cells produced in the testes that can fertilize a female’s egg.


2. Seminal plasma – the liquid portion that carries and nourishes the sperm. This fluid is produced by different glands, including:

Seminal vesicles (produce sugar-rich fluid to give sperm energy)

🔹 Function:

Transports sperm during ejaculation.

Provides nutrients and energy for sperm.



Does the Quran said it's sperm produced directly from the backbone
olodo

Beside the fluid we are talking about come from the lower back of the spine which is called pelvic ; if you have one


Can't you make research about biology even if you don't understand anatomy?



Seminal fluid is not stored in just one place — it is produced and collected from different male reproductive organs, then released through the urethra during ejaculation.
The spine (vertebral column) extends down into the lower back at the bottom of the spine is the sacrum (a triangular bone) and the coccyx (tailbone).

These bones are directly joined to the pelvic bones (hip bones).

However, the nerves that control ejaculation do pass through the spinal cord in the backbone — so the backbone is involved in controlling the process


So the pelvis and spine are physically connected — the pelvis supports the weight of the upper body that comes down through the spine.

That’s why reproductive organs in the pelvic region (like the bladder, prostate, and seminal vesicles) are located very close to the lower spine.


So simple little research you can made on seminal fluid
Shame on you bro

Expanse2020:
So what confused you sir about that....
What is the false there

🤨 what's not wrong there? It's totally wrong and obviously copied from Galen👀.

Gabrielshow24:
🥱
Any claim must be substantiated. If it can't then definitely it's not from God. Surely, God can't write this before the foundation of the world🤕. Thus, It was written by men that didn't know any better.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You are painned because you can find the fault on like the bible

Sorry bro that the signs to claimed Allah (God) is the owner of the Quran and he send prophet Muhammad to lead people from astray where the pagan were and are leading them to...


It's is because there is an ancky panky in the bible that while you can't have a bit of it..

Let move on among what I posted where did you think you want to debate again

Expanse2020:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You are painned because you can find the fault on like the bible

Sorry bro that the signs to claimed Allah (God) is the owner of the Quran and he send prophet Muhammad to lead people from astray where the pagan were and are leading them to...


It's is because there is an ancky panky in the bible that while you can't have a bit of it..

Let move on among what I posted where did you think you want to debate again

I have shown that those three which I have discussed nowhere posits a scientific miracle. Now as for the above. Even if the bible is flawed then the Quran is false because it affirms a ’corrupted’ book🤷 and if the bible is true then the Quran is still false because it contradicts the bible. So this claim, ’that I am pained is far-fetched’. Now may I ask you these questions before we proceed?

1) Will you believe in a ’corrupted’ scripture?
2) Are the Torah and the Gospel ’corrupt’?

What say you?

Gabrielshow24:
why not let the reader properly see what you wrote instead of jumbling it up with mine?

If I didn't read the page 2 of this thread again I won't have stumbled on your insufficient garble.

Let's start with iron, you said I should query. I am not moved by that. Your assertion is simple because it's written ’we sent down iron’, you relate it to some cosmic object falling from outer space.

👉 Why don't you proof the science wrong now that the science said iron are form as a result of explosion of star I. The space....



we also find in your book. Cattle being ’sent down’,
Why don't you paste it here and let see why the cattle come from space as you claim

rain being sent down as well.
👉Was rain not coming from the sky again are you the one generating ... Why did guys like to talk with zero mentality



Did you even read what you wrote? Is the Earth expanding? Can any one not see this
👉 The is the reason they gave him professor because he discovered that earth was expanded I mean Alfred
The German professor credited with the idea that the continents are moving and had once been part of a single landmass is Alfred Wegener, a meteorologist and geophysicist. He proposed the theory of continental drift in 1912, suggesting that continents had broken apart from a supercontinent he named Pangea and had been drifting ever since. Although his ideas were initially rejected by most scientists, evidence from geology and paleontology supported his theory, which is a foundational concept for modern plate tectonics.
Further more in the future the sciencetist are postulating that some part of the world will still be divided by water..


inconsistent 🤨 dude? You appeal to the heavens as expanding, consequently retroactively interpreting it as the ’universe expanding’ but we find the same word used for the earth🤨.
👉 Different celestial orbits are discovering everyday by the scientist... by NASA and others not less than 3 years now that NASA discover that there are billions of galaxies out there....
Instead of you to make research you won't but want to condemned with your zero thinking ability

Instead of you to make research you will be forming with zero mentality
Africa my people

Gabrielshow24:
I have shown that those three which I have discussed nowhere posits a scientific miracle. Now as for the above. Even if the bible is flawed then the Quran is false because it affirms a ’corrupted’ book🤷 and if the bible is true then the Quran is still false because it contradicts the bible. So this claim, ’that I am pained is far-fetched’. Now may I ask you these questions before we proceed?

1) Will you believe in a ’corrupted’ scripture?
2) Are the Torah and the Gospel ’corrupt’?

What say you?

You don't equate the Torah and gospel which Allah send down with the Paul letter or story from mark , Jude and others don't get it wrong guy ...

I know you won't agree already... I proof to you what was written over 1400 years ago where there is no modern technology where later confirmed in 19th and 20 century.....

Further more Quran have proof science wrong in so many time before science adjust
For example science used to believe sun is static before 19th century before they discover. Sun is dynamic which has its own orbit....


What did you said bro Quran is incredible

Gabrielshow24:
🤨 what's not wrong there? It's totally wrong and obviously copied from Galen👀.

Where
Which Galen
Tell us all what gallen said and molest yourself here🤣🤣🤣🤣

Expanse2020:
Instead of you to make research you will be forming with zero mentality
Africa my people

Pls separate your write up from mine. Let all see what you have written. Don't jumble them up.

Gabrielshow24:
Pls separate your write up from mine. Let all see what you have written. Don't jumble them up.

So you cannot see painted finger there too
Toor
I don understand you now

Expanse2020:
Instead of you to make research you will be forming with zero mentality
Africa my people

Iron falls down from the space, that's your claim because of the phrase ’sent down’ but we find cattle being sent down and rain being sent down. Are these from space? 🤷

I will leave you to answer the above as everyone can see you have an inconsistent framework.

This is your reply for why the Earth is expanding 😂. Let me bold it so that all can see the ludicrous evidence for the Earth's supposed expansion 😔
’The is the reason they gave him professor because he discovered that earth was expanded I mean Alfred
The German professor credited with the idea that the continents are moving and had once been part of a single landmass is Alfred Wegener, a meteorologist and geophysicist. He proposed the theory of continental drift in 1912, suggesting that continents had broken apart from a supercontinent he named Pangea and had been drifting ever since. Although his ideas were initially rejected by most scientists, evidence from geology and paleontology supported his theory, which is a foundational concept for modern plate tectonics.
Further more in the future the sciencetist are postulating that some part of the world will still be divided by water..’

I will leave the reader to form his own conclusions on the above😂.

I will also like the reader to conclude who among the both of us doesn't do research 😂. Is it the one that asserts the Earth is expanding only to bring ’movement of tectonic plates’ as proof of the Earth's expansion 😔 or myself, that states, categorically, that the Earth doesn't expand? Obviously, my cousin, expanse2020 doesn't know what he is saying! I leave the reader to verify.

Expanse2020:
So you cannot see painted finger there too
Toor
I don understand you now

Separate them. Don't jumble them up.

Gabrielshow24:
Iron falls down from the space, that's your claim because of the phrase ’sent down’ but we find cattle being sent down and rain being sent down. Are these from space? 🤷

I will leave you to answer the above as everyone can see you have an inconsistent framework.

This is your reply for why the Earth is expanding 😂. Let me bold it so that all can see the ludicrous evidence for the Earth's supposed expansion 😔
’The is the reason they gave him professor because he discovered that earth was expanded I mean Alfred
The German professor credited with the idea that the continents are moving and had once been part of a single landmass is Alfred Wegener, a meteorologist and geophysicist. He proposed the theory of continental drift in 1912, suggesting that continents had broken apart from a supercontinent he named Pangea and had been drifting ever since. Although his ideas were initially rejected by most scientists, evidence from geology and paleontology supported his theory, which is a foundational concept for modern plate tectonics.
Further more in the future the sciencetist are postulating that some part of the world will still be divided by water..’

I will leave the reader to form his own conclusions on the above😂.

I will also like the reader to conclude who among the both of us doesn't do research 😂. Is it the one that asserts the Earth is expanding only to bring ’movement of tectonic plates’ as proof of the Earth's expansion 😔 or myself, that states, categorically, that the Earth doesn't expand? Obviously, my cousin, expanse2020 doesn't know what he is saying! I leave the reader to verify.

Mumble wherever you want, you can digest the truth after I showed you how iron is form and come from the sky and backed it up with science....


I told you Quran said heaven and earth were once a atom before started expanding... I proof it with science

But you keep mumbling only proof it that is false you can't but playing with the brain of other mentally deranged group of yours
Bye you don't have anything to offer



Let me asked
Bible said the after 3 days heaven was created that when light is created is this true

Expanse2020:
Mumble wherever you want, you can digest the truth after I showed you how iron is form and come from the sky and backed it up with science....


I told you Quran said heaven and earth were once a atom before started expanding... I proof it with science

But you keep mumbling only proof it that is false you can't but playing with the brain of other mentally deranged group of yours
Bye you don't have anything to offer



Let me asked
Bible said the after 3 days heaven was created that when light is created is this true

Your words are just jumbled up, with little coherence 😵‍💫.

I thought before you said ’iron falls from space ’🤣. Now that I have shown you where your Quran said ’cattles were sent down’🤨. You now stylishly adjusted it to ’sky’. There goes your argument 😂. Also, iron in the form of meteors are common knowledge in the ancient days🤷. Just reiterating the obvious.

And I have shown you that the Earth was made first🤨 then the heavens, how then were they a clump of mass. This is attested by all the sabiuns of your prophet. Or are you more knowledgeable than the prophet? 🤨.

Pls, tell us another lie. I tried to make meaning of the third paragraph but it's just mundane and incoherent 🤕. You have to substantiate claims with proof and so far, you have done nothing.

The last paragraph is a deflection and a straw🤨. It shows you are oblivious to the bible's content just like your Quran's author. Better frame your question.

Expanse2020:
So what did you fail to understand there sir

Is fluid the not different from sperm it's self
And the fluid produce from the back is located inside the seminal fluid

Let go back to biology

Seminal fluid
(also called semen) is the thick, whitish fluid that is released from the male reproductive system during ejaculation.

It is made up of two main parts:

1. Sperm cells – the reproductive cells produced in the testes that can fertilize a female’s egg.


2. Seminal plasma – the liquid portion that carries and nourishes the sperm. This fluid is produced by different glands, including:

Seminal vesicles (produce sugar-rich fluid to give sperm energy)

🔹 Function:

Transports sperm during ejaculation.

Provides nutrients and energy for sperm.



Does the Quran said it's sperm produced directly from the backbone
olodo

Beside the fluid we are talking about come from the lower back of the spine which is called pelvic ; if you have one


Can't you make research about biology even if you don't understand anatomy?



Seminal fluid is not stored in just one place — it is produced and collected from different male reproductive organs, then released through the urethra during ejaculation.
The spine (vertebral column) extends down into the lower back at the bottom of the spine is the sacrum (a triangular bone) and the coccyx (tailbone).

These bones are directly joined to the pelvic bones (hip bones).

However, the nerves that control ejaculation do pass through the spinal cord in the backbone — so the backbone is involved in controlling the process


So the pelvis and spine are physically connected — the pelvis supports the weight of the upper body that comes down through the spine.

That’s why reproductive organs in the pelvic region (like the bladder, prostate, and seminal vesicles) are located very close to the lower spine.


So simple little research you can made on seminal fluid
Shame on you bro

"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted - Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:" S. 86:5-7

So man is created from seminal fluid

So it's seminal fluid not the sperm that produce mankind

Imagine using biology to claim seminal fluid creates mankind.

Is it seminal fluid or sperm that determines fertility? When they say someone is infertile, is the problem lack of adequate seminal fluid or lack of adequate sperm?

U will have to try again because this one no be am.

Once again, explain how what's the fluid that gushes from backbone and the ribs that create mankind.

Expanse2020:
You don't equate the Torah and gospel which Allah send down with the Paul letter or story from mark , Jude and others don't get it wrong guy ...

I know you won't agree already... I proof to you what was written over 1400 years ago where there is no modern technology where later confirmed in 19th and 20 century.....

Further more Quran have proof science wrong in so many time before science adjust
For example science used to believe sun is static before 19th century before they discover. Sun is dynamic which has its own orbit....


What did you said bro Quran is incredible

Your Quran affirms Paul. He is even a Muslim according to your sources.🤷 Why then are you denigrating a fellow Muslim? Your prophet affirmed his books as revelation 🤣. He(Mo) stated that we should continue in what was revealed to us(Gospel) and judge by it😮‍💨. Allah even said that he had made us above the rest until the end! What then is your point? Your book affirms the preservation and authority of the bible!

And for your Quranic claims of scientific miracles, that's just false. The same Quran that asserts the sun and moon run a fixed course. The same Quran that posits a flat earth🤨. Are you sure you have read your Quran? Do you want hadiths to rid you off this delusion? 🤨

All your early scholars, including your prophet affirmed the Sun moving round the earth along with the moon. It even has a place it sets👀—one version states it sets in a murky water🤨—is this also a scientific miracle?

Pls, go easy on the lies.

SIRTeee15:
"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted - Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:" S. 86:5-7

So man is created from seminal fluid

So it's seminal fluid not the sperm that produce mankind

Imagine using biology to claim seminal fluid creates mankind.

Is it seminal fluid or sperm that determines fertility? When they say someone is infertile, is the problem lack of adequate seminal fluid or lack of adequate sperm?

U will have to try again because this one no be am.

Once again, explain how what's the fluid that gushes from backbone and the ribs that create mankind.

Baba no know biology 😂. All the wuruwuru explanation still failed🥱.

This is just a desperate attempt to ’explain away’ the obvious ’scientific miracle’😂. I think one of them in some other thread said, ’the prophet meant this allegorically since the ’eggs’ descend from the region of the backbone🤣 thus he is correct’—My God, one can't help but wonder whether these guys are learned, I guess that's what going to the madrasas turns one into😁.

SIRTeee15:
"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted - Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:" S. 86:5-7

So man is created from seminal fluid

So it's seminal fluid not the sperm that produce mankind

Imagine using biology to claim seminal fluid creates mankind.

Is it seminal fluid or sperm that determines fertility? When they say someone is infertile, is the problem lack of adequate seminal fluid or lack of adequate sperm?

U will have to try again because this one no be am.

Once again, explain how what's the fluid that gushes from backbone and the ribs that create mankind.

Explain Seminal fluid for me
At least you can Google it and what is the function of seminal fluid...if true true your brain is still functioning and intact....

Expanse2020:
Explain Seminal fluid for me
At least you can Google it and what is the function of seminal fluid...if true true your brain is still functioning and intact....

What determines fertility seminal fluid or sperm.

I'm not my duty to educate u. That's something a good solid background education should have fixed.