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How do you deal with such threats and veiled or implied threats from the man or woman standing on the pulpit?
Examples include the people who can give a certain amount should come out for prayer and blessings?

I remember at the university of Ibadan chapel of Resurrection a minister was saying all women who wear trousers are doomed for hell...but on seeing the reaction of the congregation he desisted from such statements....

True religion in this endtime has been taken to the highest level {Isaiah 2:2} and only individuals with innocent hands and a pure heart, who has not sworn a false oath {Psalms 24:4} that's why Jesus said it's like the narrow path, there is no chance to switch lanes {Matthew 7:13-14} because worshipers of God this time must think and do things this same way (in spirit) and in accordance with God's written words (truth) John 4:23-24

So try to find out the true religion not just accepting every religion because they are saying "Jesus is Lord" Matthew 7:21-23

I will respond by just sitting down and not giving a dime. Let that so-called minister come and drag me out of the building.

Peer pressure doesn't get to me. Those of you who are influenced by peer pressure are the ones who usually fall for such ministers. It is even wrong for you to say that the minister is threatening you. The minister is not pointing a gun at you or trying to slap you when you refuse to give your money. But you will willingly get up to donate something so that people will not see you as a stingy or poor member.

I love God and support God's work. But once it turns to a minister making prayer of blessings for only those that donate money, I will not donate my money to or through such a minister.

No human being that truly understands what it means to worship God will pray for only those that donate money on a church altar. Who told you that donating for God's work must only happen in the church? What about those who support God's work outside the church but no longer have enough to come and donate again on the altar? Also, what about making the same prayer for those who did not donate so that they will make money and donate next time? As a matter of fact, those who have donated did not even make the money through such prayers.

immortalcrown:
I will respond by just sitting down and not giving a dime. Let that so-called minister come and drag me out of the building.

Peer pressure doesn't get to me. Those of you who are influenced by peer pressure are the ones who usually fall for such ministers. It is even wrong for you to say that the minister is threatening you. The minister is not pointing a gun at you or trying to slap you when you refuse to give your money. But you will willingly get up to donate something so that people will not see you as a stingy or poor member.

Not really here are some forms of threats:
Forms of threats include direct threats, which explicitly state harm; indirect threats, which are vague and ambiguous; veiled threats, which imply but don't state violence; and conditional threats, which link harm to the failure to meet demands

londonerr:
Not really here are some forms of threats:
Forms of threats include direct threats, which explicitly state harm; indirect threats, which are vague and ambiguous; veiled threats, which imply but don't state violence; and conditional threats, which link harm to the failure to meet demands

Na your mind dey deceive you, and na peer pressure be that. Nobody will beat you or drag you out of the building if you don't give money.

immortalcrown:
Na your mind dey deceive you, and na peer pressure be that. Nobody will beat you or drag you out of the building if you don't give money.

Who tells you I give

londonerr:
Who tells you I give

Whether you give or not, you feel pressured. That is why you are complaining.

immortalcrown:
I will respond by just sitting down and not giving a dime. Let that so-called minister come and drag me out of the building.

Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers. ‭Psalms 1:1 NIV‬

Are you sure that you are worshiping in the midst of true worshipers of God?

Because whatever makes you feel unconcerned when ministers are talking about what you need to pay or give to earn friendship with God means you no longer have the love of the God in question:

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“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ ‭Mark 12:29-30 NIV

A poor widow in the midst of God's holy worshipers gave everything she had {Luke 21:1-2} just because she love God with all her heart even though religious leaders in Israel back then were corrupt {Matthew 23:23} yet Jesus said about this woman:

“Truly I say to you that this poor widow put in more than they all did. For all of these put in gifts out of their surplus, but she, out of her want, put in all the means of living she had.” Luke 21:3-4

According to Jesus (God's only begotten Son) she has given much more than all those in the temple!

So Jesus concluded:

“The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses. Therefore, all the things they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but they do not practice what they say." Matthew 23:2-3

Why do you think Jesus told his listeners to do whatever their religious leaders say?

Well it's because at that point in time the place where the Jews worships is the only place where you can worship the true God therefore whoever feels unconcerned towards whatever is asked as needs regarding that temple is not a true worshiper of the God of Israel.

That's why it's compulsory you know for sure you are in the midst of God's true worshipers {Psalms 133:1 compare to Hebrews 10:24-34} or you just sit with people claiming they are worshipers! Psalms 1:1

May you have peace!

MaxInDHouse:
Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers. ‭Psalms 1:1 NIV‬

Are you sure that you are worshiping in the midst of true worshipers of God?

Because whatever makes you feel unconcerned when ministers are talking about what you need to pay or give to earn friendship with God means you no longer have the love of the God in question:

‬
“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ ‭Mark 12:29-30 NIV

A poor widow in the midst of God's holy worshipers gave everything she had {Luke 21:1-2} just because she love God with all her heart even though religious leaders in Israel back then were corrupt {Matthew 23:23} yet Jesus said about this woman:

“Truly I say to you that this poor widow put in more than they all did. For all of these put in gifts out of their surplus, but she, out of her want, put in all the means of living she had.” Luke 21:3-4

According to Jesus (God's only begotten Son) she has given much more than all those in the temple!

So Jesus concluded:

“The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses. Therefore, all the things they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but they do not practice what they say." Matthew 23:2-3

Why do you think Jesus told his listeners to do whatever their religious leaders say?

Well it's because at that point in time the place where the Jews worships is the only place where you can worship the true God therefore whoever feels unconcerned towards whatever is asked as needs regarding that temple is not a true worshiper of the God of Israel.

That's why it's compulsory you know for sure you are in the midst of God's true worshipers {Psalms 133:1 compare to Hebrews 10:24-34} or you just sit with people claiming they are worshipers! Psalms 1:1

May you have peace!

Either you did not read the post or you read it but failed to understand it. I love God and support God's work. But once it turns to a minister making prayer of blessings for only those that donate money, I will not donate my money to or through such a minister.

No human being that truly understands what it means to worship God will pray for only those that donate money on a church altar. Who told you that donating for God's work must only happen in the church? What about those who support God's work outside the church but no longer have enough to come and donate again on the altar? Also, what about making the same prayer for those who did not donate so that they will make money and donate next time? As a matter of fact, those who have donated did not even make the money through such prayers.

immortalcrown:
Either you did not read the post or you read it but failed to understand it. I love God and support God's work. But once it turns to a minister making prayer of blessings for only those that donate money, I will not donate my money to or through such a minister.

No human being that truly understands what it means to worship God will pray for only those that donate money on a church altar. Who told you that donating for God's work must only happen in the church? What about those who support God's work outside the church but no longer have enough to come and donate again on the altar? Also, what about making the same prayer for those who did not donate so that they will make money and donate next time? As a matter of fact, those who have donated did not even make the money through such prayers.

There is a difference between being a philanthropists {1Corinthans 13:3} and recognizing pure worship! Mark 12:30


If your religion doesn't make things clear regarding contributions in God's house it simply means you aren't practicing true Christianity because in the truth such can't happen anymore!

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

Maximus692:
There is a difference between being a philanthropists {1Corinthans 13:3} and recognizing pure worship! Mark 12:30


If your religion doesn't make things clear regarding contributions in God's house it simply means you aren't practicing true Christianity because in the truth such can't happen anymore!

Show that you practice true Christianity by explaining two things:
1.
the difference philanthropy and pure worship,

2.
how a Church building is the only place where the pure worship can take place.

Some of these so called pastors overdo things.. if truly you're a servant of God, then you should know you are not allowed to judge or condemn anyone.
Let God be the judge of HIS creations, not a mere mortal that doesn't know beyond his existence.

immortalcrown:
Show that you practice true Christianity by explaining two things:
1.the difference philanthropy and pure worship,

Philanthropy is generosity unspecified while pure worship is what God requires from His worshipers.
The later benefits mankind in general while philanthropy is Satan's gimmick to blindfold mankind to welcome slavery.
In God's Kingdom when everything is shared equally there is no need for any philanthropist.

immortalcrown:
2.how a Church building is the only place where the pure worship can take place.

Call it "church building" but according to God's word any form of worship that's not done in accordance with God's will is IDOLATRY.
That is why you complains though you want to be called "Christians" yet your preferred religious leaders keep on disappointing you people!😟

Maximus692:
Philanthropy is generosity unspecified while pure worship is what God requires from His worshipers.
The later benefits mankind in general while philanthropy is Satan's gimmick to blindfold mankind to welcome slavery.
In God's Kingdom when everything is shared equally there is no need for any philanthropist.

Call it "church building" but according to God's word any form of worship that's not done in accordance with God's will is IDOLATRY.
That is why you complains though you want to be called "Christians" yet your preferred religious leaders keep on disappointing you people!😟

I said, "What about those who support God's work outside the Church building". You have failed to prove that God's work cannot be done outside the Church building. So, you clearly have no fact against my comment.

immortalcrown:
I said, "What about those who support God's work outside the Church building". You have failed to prove that God's work cannot be done outside the Church building. So, you clearly have no fact against my comment.

You don't know what you are saying.

No matter what you do OUTSIDE the church of God it's all FILTHY RAGS if you refuse to support God's work INSIDE the church {Isaiah 64:6} it's like asking if an idol worshiper could be worshiping God outside the church of God using what he or she view as RIGHTEOUSNESS as the credential.
So the first thing is supporting God's work then other things can follow but when someone deliberately ignore God's work in the church does such one still believe in Christ who specifically said his first family are members of the church?

MaxInDHouse:
You don't know what you are saying.

No matter what you do OUTSIDE the church of God it's all FILTHY RAGS if you refuse to support God's work INSIDE the church {Isaiah 64:6} it's like asking if an idol worshiper could be worshiping God outside the church of God using what he or she view as RIGHTEOUSNESS as the credential.
So the first thing is supporting God's work then other things can follow but when someone deliberately ignore God's work in the church does such one still believe in Christ who specifically said his first family are members of the church?

Don't be a liar. I never said I will refuse to support God's work. I have always supported God's work and will continue to do that. If you are not a liar, point out anywhere I said I will refuse to support God's work. I will donate on the altar when the person calling for the donation acts like a man of God, not when the person tries to sell blessing by wanting to pray for only those who donate money on the altar. Also God's work is not done only inside the church building. If the person calling for donation wants to pray for only those that donate on the altar, I will not give my money to that person because that one is not supporting God's work. Quote me anywhere.

immortalcrown:
I will donate on the altar when the person calling for the donation acts like a man of God, not when the person tries to sell blessing by wanting to pray for only those who donate money on the altar.

Whatever makes anyone climb on an altar to do so then such an altar belongs to Mammon not the true God!

immortalcrown:
Also God's work is not done only inside the church building. If the person calling for donation wants to pray for only those that donate on the altar, I will not give my money to that person because that one is not supporting God's work. Quote me anywhere.

I remember you always hail RCCG man so i wonder what you are still doing in that religion if truly you hate extortion!

MaxInDHouse:
I remember you always hail RCCG man so i wonder what you are still doing in that religion if truly you hate extortion!

You are probably mistaking me for someone else. Otherwise, where is your evidence?

immortalcrown:
You are probably mistaking me for someone else. Otherwise, where is your evidence?

It's OK if you condemn extortion but you need to know that the first place to show generosity is the house of God and whatever those in charge does with the funds should be left for God to judge unless you are not sure of the place where you choose to worship!

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK if you condemn extortion but you need to know that the first place to show generosity is the house of God and whatever those in charge does with the funds should be left for God to judge unless you are not sure of the place where you choose to worship!

I never said that generosity should not be demonstrated in the house of God. Meanwhile, the first place to show generosity is at home. Who you are at home determines your personality in the house of God.

immortalcrown:
I never said that generosity should not be demonstrated in the house of God. Meanwhile, the first place to show generosity is at home. Who you are at home determines your personality in the house of God.

Do you know any sane human who does not spend his money firstly on members of his own household?😟

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know any sane human who does not spend his money firstly on members of his own household?😟

You are the one to answer the question since you claim that the church is the first place where generosity should take place.

londonerr:
How do you deal with such threats and veiled or implied threats from the man or woman standing on the pulpit? Examples include the people who can give a certain amount should come out for prayer and blessings?

Realize they are nothing but scammers after all, inform those around you of this, while you embark on the journey to purge yourself of all religious delusions therein.

immortalcrown:
You are the one to answer the question since you claim that the church is the first place where generosity should take place.

Taking care of your own family is not generosity but responsibility.

MaxInDHouse:
Taking care of your own family is not generosity but responsibility.

Giving your cousin or brother shelter in your house or feeding them is not generosity. Building a house for your cousin or brother is generosity. Many donate of you donate millions to build a church or to build a house for pastors while your well-behaved brothers or cousins are homeless.

immortalcrown:
Giving your cousin or brother shelter in your house or feeding them is not generosity. Building a house for your cousin or brother is generosity. Many donate of you donate millions to build a church or to build a house for pastors while your well-behaved brothers or cousins are homeless.

Apart from your parents, children and wife others are EXTENDED families who are not your responsibility they are not as important as members of the faith! Matthew 12:46-50; Galatians 6:10

MaxInDHouse:
Apart from your parents, children and wife others are EXTENDED families who are not your responsibility they are not as important as members of the faith! Matthew 12:46-50; Galatians 6:10

Many donate of you donate millions to build a church or to build a house for pastors while your well-behaved brothers or cousins are homeless. What do you have to say about this?

immortalcrown:
Many donate of you donate millions to build a church or to build a house for pastors while your well-behaved brothers or cousins are homeless. What do you have to say about this?

I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses we don't build house for anyone in the name of "PASTOR" but when it comes to things having to do with pure worship apart from our immediate family others aren't our responsibility surely we can be generous towards them but not over what is necessary to do in God's house.