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jossymekoos:
God will keep the church going strong without anybody

So without adeboye, the church will continue to March forward

Thank you

stop your incoherent mind games, God used Adeboye to transform the church. Not just Adeboye alone, even in the bible, God always ordained one person to lead and transform His ministry for the benefit of mankind

Lamasta:
That is not how it should be brother, it's good to know the beginning of a vision and how far its going....

Every member of the church ought to know where the mantle started from, where it is now and where it would be next....

Jesus passed the mantle to peter and instruct him on you I will build my church and the gate of hell shall not prevail over it....

Peter passed on same mantle to the elders of the church in 1 Peter 5 : 5 - 8

1 Peter 5
New International Version

To the Elders and the Flock

1. To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder and a witness of Christ’s sufferings who also will share in the glory to be revealed:

2 Be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, watching over them—not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve;

3 not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock.

4 And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away.

5 In the same way, you who are younger, submit yourselves to your elders. All of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because,

This habit of misquoting scriptres to justify things you know are clearly unscriptural is terrible. That you are sent to sheperd the flock does not mean you should build monuments to yourself! In fact Jesus clearly said, the greatest among you shall be the one who serves. So where does this mentality of building monuments to honour men come from? Did Jesus build any for Himself? Did Peter or Paul build any for themselves?

In fact, did Paul not clearly warn against this line of thinking:

5 What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task. 6 I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow. 7 So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow. 8 The one who plants and the one who waters have one purpose, and they will each be rewarded according to their own labor. 9 For we are co-workers in God’s service; you are God’s field, God’s building.

10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

16 Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst? 17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.

18 Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”[a]; 20 and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.” 21 [b]So then, no more boasting about human leaders! All things are yours, 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas[c] or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, 23 and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God.


Please repent from worshiping humans in the name of honour.

tunjijones:
Have you seen pastor adeboye last son mansion inside the RCCG camp? White and quit an edifice.

What the daughter of the founder wants is equal representation, the founder should be celebrated in such a way that his name should be in the lips of every member of RCCG. His children shd get the pecks of the church as much as pastor adeboye children are getting.

You might not know, how they have been treated. That Adeboye last son is an attention craving and spoilt child. You know his house but do you know the house of Adeboye other children? You know little about them

Adeboye is the current leader in RCCG, there are pecks attached to that. When he is gone, everybody will move attention to new leader.

You need to learn more about how to pose questions to people if u want to sustain such an educative platform, u just dey go forth and back. Na waa oo

SmartyPants:
This habit of misquoting scriptres to justify things you know are clearly unscriptural is terrible. That you are sent to sheperd the flock does not mean you should build monuments to yourself! In fact Jesus clearly said, the greatest among you shall be the one who serves. So where does this mentality of building monuments to honour men come from? Did Jesus build any for Himself? Did Peter or Paul build any for themselves?

In fact, did Paul not clearly warn against this line of thinking:

5 What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task. 6 I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow. 7 So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow. 8 The one who plants and the one who waters have one purpose, and they will each be rewarded according to their own labor. 9 For we are co-workers in God’s service; you are God’s field, God’s building.

10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

16 Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst? 17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.

18 Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”[a]; 20 and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.” 21 [b]So then, no more boasting about human leaders! All things are yours, 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas[c] or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, 23 and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God.


Please repent from worshiping humans in the name of honour.

Honour comes in different ways and one of the ways people can remember you is through a structure or naming an edifice after you, Solomon built the City of David, Solomons Temple are some biblical examples of honouring Gods generals

Fiscus105:
Abi ooo, in Ur own Church, Ur gods instructed you not to become lawyer, and everyone is a perfect and righteousness.

Why I'm I even reply embittered individual, beware of toxic mind, it shortened one lifespan.

But you dodged the aspect he talked about a Pastor, legally married to a Muslim and continued to live together!
Thou shalt not be yoked together with an unbeliever! Una no dey read that side?

AntiChristian:
In the olden days churches no dey get CAC. Now they file everything a company files but pay zero tax and make huge profit they call donations, seed, fruit, tithe, etc!

You are right do dont have CAC but CAC is not iptional for them. It was islamists that mandated it like that.

Lamasta:
If you happen to be the founders daughter you will be the loudest to echo your voice.....

Majority of RCCG members and some pastors don't actually know the founder of the church truly and there is no visible monument or structure named after him around the church...

Every member of CAC knows Apostle Joseph Ayo Babalola, every member of Cherubim and Seraphim knows Moses Orimolade and the list goes on

You make a strong case but how does this matter in the heavenly race?

GanagiBitrus:
RCCG has what it takes to make the children of the founder comfortable & happy.

These complaints from the children are not good enough for the image of RCCG.

Did you read anywhere in the story where it was mentioned that the children are not comfortable? Do you think that they are not well fed or given their due?

AntiChristian:
In the olden days churches no dey get CAC. Now they file everything a company files but pay zero tax and make huge profit they call donations, seed, fruit, tithe, etc!

And who told you that mosques do not pay taxes?

Never chose to help people over ur children, you can save or buy properties in there name if they re still young, because when you might finally want to build ur children , the money might not be there anymore

GanagiBitrus:
Should your personal opinion about the church count, or be of concern to the church?

Yes it should be

Basicend:
Paul planted the seeds . Apollos watered, God gives the increase.

RCCG does not belong to your father ma, neither does it belong to Pa E.A Adeboye.

If your father had not followed divine instruction, it will be where it is today. Also if Adeboye had not tried his best to align to God, it will not be where it is globally.

Both were just used in their specific positions to achieve God's aim.

Just thank God for having such a father and live your life to please God.

I will be waiting for who Adeboye will hand over, then you shall be remonded.
Na from there Rccg go start the crisis, if not handled well.
Adeboye should be selfless and hand over to non of his family members like the original founder did

Oleboye will hand over to his children

One thing I am not happy with is the fact that the present RCCG leadership makes the name of the man go into oblivion. Redeemer's University should have been named after him.

Daejumong:
Late Rev Akindayomi’s daughter(Pastor Titi) speaks out. In a youtube video she said; ‘Some Pastors dont know my dad is the founder of the church. My father never gave my mum any position in the church. He took care of outsiders even more than his children. He promised to bequeath(will) Bibles to his kids and that was what he did . How many pastors can do that? His legacy must not die and that is why I started a foundation in his name.’

Food for thought
- Would Pastor Kumuyi, Bishop Oyedepo or any founding pastor desire to be treated like Rev Akindayomi?
- Would you really blame any founder who handed over to family or his positioning family to take over when u are not sure of how things would turn out when u are gone?
- Can RCCG and Pastor Adeboye do more?

Dae Jumong


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVSILU2M-FA?si=sM2yNh02AvCo-4RL

I won't blame the founder but if I were to be his predecessor, I will ensure that his children never lack my care and financial support just like David did for Jonathan's sake. David is a perfect example of what a predecessor should do for conscience sake.

GanagiBitrus:
RCCG has what it takes to make the children of the founder comfortable & happy.

These complaints from the children are not good enough for the image of RCCG.

It's to tell you the character of some people. Tight fisted and greedy towards those close to them but philanthropically forming altruism outside just for eye service.

Humans are strange creatures. The person wey create them go just dey shake head.. oh, I'm human too... Almost forgot....

Kingpele:
Well I don't think the word founder is the write word to use ...especially since we believe that church is a body of christ...can a human being be a founder of body of christ ...which was already in existence since thousands of years ....but then maybe they're talking about their business empire model in form of churches

It has been compromised.. So Sad.

Lamasta:
If you happen to be the founders daughter you will be the loudest to echo your voice.....

Majority of RCCG members and some pastors don't actually know the founder of the church truly and there is no visible monument or structure named after him around the church...

Every member of CAC knows Apostle Joseph Ayo Babalola, every member of Cherubim and Seraphim knows Moses Orimolade and the list goes on

Adeboye is trying to cancel the man's legacy, enriching his family, even if adabayo eventually hads the church to another, his family can never be poor unlike what the founding father did, did not take a dime from the church handed over everything ,a tru man of God

Was this the structure her dad left behind for the church? If her dad was still alive, he would marvel how the church has grown globally. Women must be given roles to play in the church. Couples can be pastors in the church so there is nothing bad about it They should stop throwing jabs at every opportunity. If they desire to play a central role in the church then they should make their position known to the appropriate quarters instead of playing the jibes game. The church is so big that women have roles to perform.

MaxInDHouse:
This is what Jesus said:

"A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit" Matthew 7:18

Definitely the man's mission is not from God that's why all those following him (fruit) are materially not spiritually inclined.

How do you gauge being spiritually inclined? How does being materialistic mean the Mission is not from God especially looking at the church in Laodecia

Lamasta:
If you happen to be the founders daughter you will be the loudest to echo your voice.....

Majority of RCCG members and some pastors don't actually know the founder of the church truly and there is no visible monument or structure named after him around the church...

Every member of CAC knows Apostle Joseph Ayo Babalola, every member of Cherubim and Seraphim knows Moses Orimolade and the list goes on

You entered into the pastors mind to know this ? You guys can lie too much just to defend anything

Rccg doesn’t belong to anybody it’s stated clearly in the church constitution
Pa Akindayomi is the founder with just one branch God use Adeboye to spread it and grow God choose him to lead and next leader will be choosen by God
Rcccg is not a family church like the usual penticostal

SmartPolician:
What's the yardstick for making people pastors in RCCG? This church even makes lawyers, who lie to pay their bills, their pastors!

Even ladies who married Muslims are also RCCG pastors. Does this church not have a standard? Is this what pentecostalism has reduced Christianity to?

If that's rccg's doctrine , so be it... Every church their own

I am telling you just look at the likes of Odumeje Eneche Ibiyeomie Mbaka Jerry Eze n others.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted shows you don't know what Jesus taught his disciples.

Worshipers of Mammon {Matthew 6:24} today has transformed themselves into ministers of Christ {2Corinthians 11:14} so the only way to IDENTIFY them is by observing what they portray as IMAGE because it's whatever those taking the lead among them value that followers will also cherish most! Matthew 7:16-18

It is well.

Menclothing1:
Rccg doesn’t belong to anybody it’s stated clearly in the church constitution
Pa Akindayomi is the founder with just one branch God use Adeboye to spread it and grow God choose him to lead and next leader will be choosen by God
Rcccg is not a family church like the usual penticostal

Not at all... For instance Assemblies of God has got no founder in Nigeria because she was brought in by missionaries into Nigeria.. Hence Assemblies of God Nigeria and no one can lay claim of it.. But that can't be said of most of the pentecostal churches... However there is nothing wrong with someone being a founder or visioner of the church... Just give honor to who it is due...

Goo0dHardDick:
Adeboye has used that church to cash out massively.

Same with the other businesses men running the scam empires

May God forgive you with your words.

The way someone of yhu always to comment yhur unsolicited views or opinions about the church always makes me laugh.

Some people in their ignorance claim some pastors in RCCG don't know the founder of RCCG, such level of ignorance carelessly expressed with dignity is very laughable.

As a genuine member of RCCG, yhu must have gone through the believers foundation and also be baptized in water...

Now, I assure yhu there is no way yhu go through all these processes without being taught about he founder.

As for the children, that may not be talked about for obvious reasons.

However, the idea that the children are ignored or not taken care of - as claimed by some here is a blatant lie.

As for the video, there's no where she complained there but because most of yhu lack basic comprehension and also like to twist things to fit yhur usual dragging curricula of the church.

In conclusion, just know no matter yhur opinion or what yhu type here, that's yhur headache, it doesn't have anything on the church of God. Yhur opinion will never matter...

GanagiBitrus:
What do you mean by wild comment?
Is it a compliment to allege that some pastors don't know much about the founder & his family?
Does that not suggest that the founder, his family & his legacies are to some extent being relegated to the background?

The daughter even said she is starting a foundation to correct the anomaly.

Maybe you should go back and read the post again.

I know churches that celebrate Founder's Week, where they spotlight on the life, family & legacies of the founder.

Here comes a man of truth, insight and wisdom..