₦airaland Forum

Zionmdde:
First dangote will lose billions
He has already sacked the poor man. So other poor men will come fighting

Then when pengassan takes the matter to UN, he won't even get the crude supply sef. Because his business become known as modern slavery
Go and read ILO conventions well

Companies cannot be forced to join a union or have their employees join one; this decision rests with the employers and workers themselves. Dangote will simply recruit people who agree/sign not to join unions. Companies do this all around the world. You cannot hold the country to ransom because of unionism and selling imported goods.
BTW, Dangote has lost billions before, it didn't show. How many Nigerians can afford to lose 10,000 naira without pain? How many can afford a hike in fuel price and the scarcities that will likely follow in a faceoff? ILO or UN cannot force people to join union, please be enlightened.

Dbegining:
Again, this is funny.

Branding is a very tiny aspect of marketing. Very tiny aspect.

Dangote holds 58% of the cement industry market share, has high government support, is a big player in politics, and has stiffened entry to the industry. That's not branding; it's monopoly.

There is nothing funny here. Dangote is enjoying being able to brand himself for decades. The single reason why he can be selling higher than the rest and yet get patronized more than others. That is not monopoly, that resourcefulness.

Softmirror:
There is nothing funny here. Dangote is enjoying being able to brand himself for decades. The single reason why he can be selling higher than the rest and yet get patronized more than others. That is not monopoly, that resourcefulness.

It's no longer branding, it's not resourcefulness?

I don't know how familiar with the Construction industry but ask around, people prefer BUA cement to Dangote anytime anyday.

What exactly is Dangote known for as a brand that gives him advantage or an edge over others? Strength? Aesthetics?

None. Just greater supply and the ability to use politics to ensure that competition doesn't get as much resources when it comes to raw materials as he does.

Remember how Dangote was fighting BUA recently for a piece of land with iron ore?

This would be my last reply to you on this matter. You can continue in your self delusion.

FOLYKAZE:
This is becoming messy.

Dangote should tread carefully. These guys are ready to fight dirty than stay out of business.

We just need to grow out of this Aluta, scatter everywhere mentally, if things doesn't work out way. Government should please disband NUPENG and their sister union PENGASSAN. You cannot just force private business hands to do what and whatever in their business. If you want to dictate, start up your own refinery, then you can control your staff remotely how you want. This madness has to just stop

I disagree. Even though I am a fan of Dangote for risking huge capital in an unstable economy like Nigeria, I do not support his sacking the entire staff of his refinery as a punishment for joining trade union. The Nigerian constitution guarantees freedom of association, and working for Dangote cannot impinge on that right. Trade unionism is practiced in all democracies in the world. Only dictatorships like North Korea, China and Russia forbids trade unionism. Workers must be given the rights to negotiate salaries and conditions of service.

Image123:
Companies cannot be forced to join a union or have their employees join one; this decision rests with the employers and workers themselves. Dangote will simply recruit people who agree/sign not to join unions. Companies do this all around the world. You cannot hold the country to ransom because of unionism and selling imported goods.
BTW, Dangote has lost billions before, it didn't show. How many Nigerians can afford to lose 10,000 naira without pain? How many can afford a hike in fuel price and the scarcities that will likely follow in a faceoff? ILO or UN cannot force people to join union, please be enlightened.

That would be an unconstitutional agreement. You cannot sign away your rights of freedom of association as guaranteed by the constitution.

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Companies cannot be forced to join a union or have their employees join one; this decision rests with the employers and workers themselves. Dangote will simply recruit people who agree/sign not to join unions. Companies do this all around the world. You cannot hold the country to ransom because of unionism and selling imported goods.
BTW, Dangote has lost billions before, it didn't show. How many Nigerians can afford to lose 10,000 naira without pain? How many can afford a hike in fuel price and the scarcities that will likely follow in a faceoff? ILO or UN cannot force people to join union, please be enlightened.

Nah you are the one who need enlightening because I don't how low I can go to reply what you just wrote there
Pengassan cannot impose unionism on dangote and his workers. At the same time it contravenes human rights laws for dangote to victimize workers who willingly joined union

UN will descend on any employer found victimizing workers because they joined union. because in the universal declaration of human rights, every worker of dangote has freedom to choose to or not to join union without fear of Losing their jobs

And asking me if UN can do anything to dangote, then you need more education

adenigga:
Source: https://punchng.com/pengassan-stops-gas-crude-supply-to-dangote-refinery

Isn't this the same people that wanted Dangote to increase the price of petrol? Well, we are our own problems

Dbegining:
It's no longer branding, it's not resourcefulness?

I don't know how familiar with the Construction industry but ask around, people prefer BUA cement to Dangote anytime anyday.

What exactly is Dangote known for as a brand that gives him advantage or an edge over others? Strength? Aesthetics?

None. Just greater supply and the ability to use politics to ensure that competition doesn't get as much resources when it comes to raw materials as he does.

Remember how Dangote was fighting BUA recently for a piece of land with iron ore?

This would be my last reply to you on this matter. You can continue in your self delusion.

Exactly! Dangote is able to push his Brand into the market becoming a house hold name. That is a marketing strategy and not monopoly.

They all have a level playing ground. Dangote is being more business oriented and more resourceful. That is not being a monopolist.

Look at the NNPC, since how many decades. But can't deliver. Should we now blame Dangote for being business minded because he is taken charge of the lapses and unseriousness and exploitation in the oil sector to his advantage?

Dem no go fit eeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Zionmdde:
Dangote, it's time to start dancing the dance

Even though the news is not correct and it's not possible to shut dangote down as pengasson does not have that power

But they will soon play drums for dangote. You wake up and sent people home without caring how you not only damage their lives but that of all their dependents

They are not shutting the Dangote Refinery, they are only cutting off crude oil and gas supply to his facility. Which is very okay. Dangote is used to cutting corners and always trying to outsmart the system and everyone that deals with him.
Same he did will all the accident victims involving his trucks, they were all abandoned. He always fights and wants to close down competitors, Ibeto Cement for example.
Same thing he did with Emefiel, conniving to get dollars at ridiculous rates.
And several others cases... He has been lobbying Tinubu to stop importation of fuel, I guess that one doesn't trust him enough to oblige him his selfish request.

wirinet:
That would be an unconstitutional agreement. You cannot sign away your rights of freedom of association as guaranteed by the constitution.

We both know that there are more people willing to sign this than there are not. It happens.

Zionmdde:
Nah you are the one who need enlightening because I don't how low I can go to reply what you just wrote there
Pengassan cannot impose unionism on dangote and his workers. At the same time it contravenes human rights laws for dangote to victimize workers who willingly joined union

UN will descend on any employer found victimizing workers because they joined union. because in the universal declaration of human rights, every worker of dangote has freedom to choose to or not to join union without fear of Losing their jobs

And asking me if UN can do anything to dangote, then you need more education

It's okay then. BTW, i didn't ask you if UN can do anything to Dangote. No, they cannot.

Every right reasoning Nigerian out to be praying for Dangote at this point. Fuel price was coming down. So also was the dollar rate. All of a sudden this "something peng" wants to disrupt this recovery process by forcefully unionising Dangote's workers. We should not forget this timeline when things begin to nose-dive again.

FOLYKAZE:
This is becoming messy.

Dangote should tread carefully. These guys are ready to fight dirty than stay out of business.

We just need to grow out of this Aluta, scatter everywhere mentally, if things doesn't work out way. Government should please disband NUPENG and their sister union PENGASSAN. You cannot just force private business hands to do what and whatever in their business. If you want to dictate, start up your own refinery, then you can control your staff remotely how you want. This madness has to just stop

Unfortunately for them, Dangote is not the loser. Dangote will respond by importing crude and sell to them in dollars. Petroleum marketers will pay Dangote in dollars and deliver to the citizens at a higher price than obtains presently.

Who loses then? PENGASSAN members, family, friends and Nigerians as a whole. Their attempt to shut down the nation’s biggest refinery out of their greed certainly comes with a huge price for all Nigerians including themselves. They board public transport to work. Their families and friends use public transport. Those of them who own cars will purchase petrol at elevated prices. Who suffers? Dangote? He does not purchase petrol.

While they got involved in strikes and failed a lot of times, they ended up not getting government to make the public refineries work. Now that the nation has a private one that serves all, the terrible leaders of the association intend to frustrate the company and all Nigerians.

Several calls have been made to PENGASSAN, asking them to team up and build their own refinery. If they cannot, then they must allow Nigerians manage their lives with the stability that Dangote offers.

obayendo1010:
100 percent in support of dangote, PENGASSAN you can do your worst, Nigeria and greedy unproductive, unnecessary and unwanted union.

..this problems will make fuel to be scarce and the price of fuel to be very expensive .. which will increase prices of foodstuffs good and services the more and more hunger, hardship

slivertongue:
Both should settle their matter for the benefit of the country

..the president of Nigeria is the minister of petroleum..so let him call them for a meeting and settle the matter..they will respect and obey Tinubu advice on the matter

Elusive001:
Okay. Go and remove them from:
Chevron
Shell
Oando
Seplat
Mobil
Halliburton
Baker huges
Schlumberger
Agip of old
Indorama
Etc

Does that remove the right of the employer to hire and fire when necessary?

Kastonkastroll:
And you see Nigerians supporting this with comments like; Sack them, sack everyone, run the marketers out of business, you are the employer and can do and undo, etc. C'mon at least if you guys won't be affected many livelihoods will be. The oil and gas industry is the biggest employer of labour in this country. Only filling stations have employed thousands of youths.

NUPENG and PENGASSAN have their own faults but they shouldn't be victimized by Nigerians because they want to protect the welfare of employees.

The Dangote refinery should do the right thing by adhering to rules and regulations guiding the oil industry!

What are you saying .... People had " choice" ... dangote gave his condition as an employee ... as an employee you either take it or leave it

Stop gaslighting us with livelihood, an employee who cherish is job wont disobey Mgt terms nd condition.

He who pays the pyper should dictate the tune, any reasonable employer would sack an employee whose loyalty belong elsewhere .. its that simple

Image123:
Companies cannot be forced to join a union or have their employees join one; this decision rests with the employers and workers themselves. Dangote will simply recruit people who agree/sign not to join unions. Companies do this all around the world. You cannot hold the country to ransom because of unionism and selling imported goods.
BTW, Dangote has lost billions before, it didn't show. How many Nigerians can afford to lose 10,000 naira without pain? How many can afford a hike in fuel price and the scarcities that will likely follow in a faceoff? ILO or UN cannot force people to join a union, please be enlightened.

Don't mind them, Ecowas is it every country that joined, are there no countries that refuse to join the UN

Everybody gets right but an employee's right is subservient to Management's terms and conditions

Image123:
It's okay then. BTW, i didn't ask you if UN can do anything to Dangote. No, they cannot.

Obviously you couldn't have included your last sentence, you completely showed your level of exposure. Let dangote be found guilty first, and see how all companies abroad will be mandated to wipe his organization off their supply chain

City93:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHQ3C4h9AEg?si=YRgwctZIn7ubMfN6

They are playing to the gallery. They will be disbanded. A union and associations have limits and they can't hold the country to ransom.

Zionmdde:
Obviously you couldn't have included your last sentence, you completely showed your level of exposure. Let dangote be found guilty first, and see how all companies abroad will be mandated to wipe his organization off their supply chain

Nahh, the UN has no such power, plus it's twisted. Mandating free companies and countries/governments, not to associate with Mr D (mandating non association), because he mandated non association. The irony.

Elusive001:
Okay. Go and remove them from:
Chevron
Shell
Oando
Seplat
Mobil
Halliburton
Baker huges
Schlumberger
Agip of old
Indorama
Etc

All these forgot to build a refinery in Nigeria. So convenient.

Zionmdde:
Dangote, it's time to start dancing the dance

Even though the news is not correct and it's not possible to shut dangote down as pengasson does not have that power

But they will soon play drums for dangote. You wake up and sent people home without caring how you not only damage their lives but that of all their dependents

I was thinking same thing. How would pengassan even have the power to stop crude supply to dangote? Are these reporters mentally stable at all?

davodyguy:
Exactly.

Some people don't get what Dangote is trying to do

Get Monopoly, kill other players

Explain let's understand, how's not wanting your staff to join a union creating a monopoly?

Image123:
Nahh, the UN has no such power, plus it's twisted. Mandating free companies and countries/governments, not to associate with Mr D (mandating non association), because he mandated non association. The irony.

They don't need to mandate or force anyone
The UN ILO conventions are law in over 150 countries. So it becomes illegal to deal with dangote who is known for violating human rights

You think dangote doesn't know all these, why didn't he explicitly state he sacked them because of unionism

You think every country is like Nigeria that doesn't care about human rights violations, go and read the ESG policies of foreign companies and come back

Image123:
We both know that there are more people willing to sign this than there are not. It happens.

Even if they sign it, it's would not hold in a court of law. You cannot sign an illegal agreement and expect the court to honour it. You cannot sign away your fundamental human rights of freedom of movement, thought or association.

FOLYKAZE:
This is becoming messy.

Dangote should tread carefully. These guys are ready to fight dirty than stay out of business.

We just need to grow out of this Aluta, scatter everywhere mentally, if things doesn't work out way. Government should please disband NUPENG and their sister union PENGASSAN. You cannot just force private business hands to do what and whatever in their business. If you want to dictate, start up your own refinery, then you can control your staff remotely how you want. This madness has to just stop

Hahaha na the mekunu go just suffer am. Someone that was importing crude oil since. Why are the pengasan and nupeng suddenly after unionism immediately dangote talked about supplying fuel himself to his marketers.someone somewhere is obviously using those guy to fight dangote.we Will see it to the end sha.weldone sir

Zionmdde:
They don't need to mandate or force anyone
The UN ILO conventions are law in over 150 countries. So it becomes illegal to deal with dangote who is known for violating human rights

You think dangote doesn't know all these, why didn't he explicitly state he sacked them because of unionism

You think every country is like Nigeria that doesn't care about human rights violations, go and read the ESG policies of foreign companies and come back

So what reasons did Dangote give for sacking all his workers at the same time a day after joining a union?

My brother, the thing tire person. These pengassan and nupeng people are real enemies of Nigeria. They fought against OBJ privatisation of government owned refineries. Later,they convinced Yaradua to cancel the privatisation, that decision has cost Nigeria billions of dollars. That is why you hear them describing the government owned refineries as "assets".Now they want to tell Dangote how to run his business. Evil people

yang:
How can a Union hold the whole country to hostage

Until the government starts to lock people up for economic sabotage people will not have sense

People are suffering no light no water no fuel to pump water and what does pengassan do, they to stop people from sleeping at night

Why? So they can keep their cushy jobs and be bribed every day to let fuel flow

Where was pengassan when Dangote was building refinery for 20bn USD

People have suffered enough

The government needs to start locking people up for economic sabotage this is totally unacceptable

These actions can trigger massive job losses, exchange rate depreciation and GDP loss

Again no Union should hold the whole country to hostage it is pure evil

People are suffering too much

Zionmdde:
So why has he been wailing on nnpc
And you forgot that he imports crude and sell expensive, marketers then imports fuel and sell cheaper than him. You don't know this game, go and learn

Importing crude is cheaper than importing fuel, crude is refined into many products. Disruption of fuel supply comes with economic and political consequences.

He is wailing on NNPC because he has a validly signed contract with them to supply him crude