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Emusan:
See this Mr continue to deceive yourself.

I can't prove what you believe keh

Jehovah created Jesus first before heaven was created by Jesus according to you.

So where was Jesus before He created heaven?

Emusan:
I like the way you keep posting this screenshot.

From the same screenshot

"In essence this verse is saying that Jesus is:
1. Perfect reflection of God's NATURE (No being in the whole universe has God's NATURE that means Jesus Is God)
2. Supreme ruler over all creations (this is the meaning of Jesus being the FIRSTBORN)

3. The Creator and sustainer of all things."

Janosky:
No Bible verse oooo Just Emusan personal opinion.

Janosky:
Oga, provide evidence nau.
OR
Continue deceiving yourself.

gohf:
Now think about a comic artist, or a manga/manhua for those into asian sketched stories. Now if the artist who is the creator of those characters in sketched up world, decides to draw a character and name that character after himself or call it, his image having a power to erase or rule in his sketched up world.

The first question is, is this image, this character given such power and authority to erase, created? Yes it is, yes he/she, the character is created.

Second question, is that character the creator, the comic artist? The answer is No


The question then is, even though without a doubt (personally) Jesus is the image of God why do some call him God, even when the creator and author did not call him or tell others to call him God?

Westerhoffe:
Good Himself declared Jesus God, for us all to serve and worship. Daniel 7 (KJV)
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¹³ I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
¹⁴ And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

And then, God said:

“But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
— Hebrews 1:8 (KJV)

If God called Jesus God, who then are we to say God is wrong?

And besides, can you show me where God said He created Jesus Christ?
And what He used in creating Him.

gohf:
Daniel 7 SON OF MAN who came to the Ancient of Days, the one true God, and was brought before the one true God.


Psalm 45:6 that the author Hebrews is quoting was not spoken by God but by the pslamist who was glorifying God's throne and not even God himself but the throne which is forever and forever, meaning the dominion of God is everlasting, in which he then refers to the scepter who is the Messiah has first prophecied by their forefather Jacob/Israel.

God did not call Jesus God and He never lied when He said He alone is God and there is none like Him

God says repeated He alone stretched out the heavens and laid the foundation of the earth. God is the builder, the farmer and Christ is the vine, the cornerstone like Daniel saw, cut out from the mountain. God said I formed the light, God said let there be light and there was light. John records Jesus said I am the light of the world, John the Baptist came to testify of that light. Jesus the one who holds all things together, the foundation.

Except you wish to say that Jesus is none of these and God isn't the origin of Jesus, me while Micah says that Jesus comes from ancient of days.

God said to the serpent, God spoke, the seed of the woman shall crush thy head.

Westerhoffe:
Proverbs 8 (KJV)
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²² The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
²³ I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
²⁴ When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
²⁵ Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

…
²⁷ When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

…
³⁰ Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

John 1 (KJV)
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¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
² The same was in the beginning with God.
³ All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
⁴ In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

…
¹⁰ He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

…
¹⁴ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Westerhoffe:
Good Himself declared Jesus God, for us all to serve and worship. Daniel 7 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
¹³ I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
¹⁴ And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

And then, God said:

“But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
— Hebrews 1:8 (KJV)

If God called Jesus God, who then are we to say God is wrong?

And besides, can you show me where God said He created Jesus Christ?
And what He used in creating Him.

Janosky:
Hebrew 1:8 was copied from Psalms 45:6.
Your quote of Hebrew 1:8 is not correct .

You can't alter the original Psalms 45:6 screenshot evidence.

Revelation 3:14, Jesus is the creation by God.

gohf:
exactly as proverbs 8 puts it, he was the first of God's creation, first work brought forth by God

Emusan:
No wonder you always ashamed to quote your Translation

"God is your throne forever and ever;..."

Watchtower has altered the Original Psalms 45:6 and you still agreed with them.
.

Emusan ,stop deceiving yourself.
God is your throne means "your throne is given by God."

'God is your crown' is in your Bible too.

Emusan:
Jesus still The Creator of Heaven and Earth if you like hit your head on the wall it won't change God's word.

Emusan:
But God who can't lie says "In the BEGINNING, God created the heavens and the earth"

Why will God say this if Jesus was the FIRST TO BE CREATED?

Emusan:
But God who can't lie says "In the BEGINNING, God created the heavens and the earth"

Why will God say this if Jesus was the FIRST TO BE CREATED?

gohf:
Did Moses record that in the beginning God first created the heavens and the earth or did you read that the first thing God created was the heavens and the earth?

I know it's hard for you emusan to be honest but try and answer honestly please

Janosky:
Because Jesus said @Revelation 3:14 , Jesus is "the creation by God. "

As Paul added that Jesus is the firstborn of every creature by God.

Oga,go & REMOVE am

Janosky:

Emusan ,stop deceiving yourself.
God is your throne means "your throne is given by God."

'God is your crown' is in your Bible too.

I won't change Hebrew 1:2
"God created the Universe through His son..." , Hebrew 1:2.

Oga,go & REMOVE Hebrew 1:2
OR
continue WAILING & deceiving yourself.

Emusan:
Can you imagine this broad day lie.

Just because NWT already gooff you want to change the narration.

Ko le work...

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Emusan:
Good! Which means His Son is the Creator.

Or what will you call His Son?



I've told you several times that I don't have the evil mind to edit God's word like Watchtower did to support their doctrine.

In fact, Heb 1:2 is one of the Bible verses that proved Jesus to be the Creator because Jesus was before THE UNIVERSE. So, all creatures fall within the creation of the universe.

Emusan:
No translation has that, lying liar.

Rev 3:14 Jesus is the SOURCE OF ALL CREATION.

If you get mind, provide the screenshot from your darling Biblehub and other sources as you always do

@ John 1:1 ,@ Revelation 3:14,@ Mark 10:6, @ Mark 13:19,@Genesis 1:1, @ Genesis 49:3, "Arkhe" (Greek lexicon 746) "the Beginning" does NOT mean 'source'.
Biblehub screenshots evidences,
Examine the same Greek rendition of Mark 10:6,Mark 13:19,Revelation 3:14.

Emusan ,stop deceiving yourself.

The Greek word "Pege" (Greek lexicon 4077) & another Greek word "kephale" (Greek lexicon 2776) meaning "SOURCE" is NOT in any Greek manuscript of Revelation 3:14.
John the apostle says Jesus "is the beginning of the creation by God."

Emusan stop deceiving yourself.

Emusan:
Firstborn never equate v v ov s FIRST CREATED

I challenge you to provide the screenshot as well

Janosky:

ALL firstborn in your bible are Creatures.
Firsborn of every creature means the first in the sense of being born or created.
Emusan , please use your Bible provide evidence ,which verse is Yahweh the God Almighty called firstborn?

Emusan stop deceiving yourself.

Janosky:
God is your throne meaning your throne is given by God.

"God is your Strength" meaning your strength is given by God. (this popular expression we use almost everyday)..

Emusan stop deceiving yourself.

Janosky:

@ John 1:1 ,@ Revelation 3:14,@ Mark 10:6, @ Mark 13:19,@Genesis 1:1, @ Genesis 49:3, "Arkhe" (Greek lexicon 746) "the Beginning" does NOT mean 'source'.
Biblehub screenshots evidences,
Examine the same Greek rendition of Mark 10:6,Mark 13:19,Revelation 3:14.

Emusan ,stop deceiving yourself.

The Greek word "Pege" (Greek lexicon 4077) & another Greek word "kephale" (Greek lexicon 2776) meaning "SOURCE" is NOT in any Greek manuscript of Revelation 3:14.
John the apostle says Jesus "is the beginning of the creation by God."

Emusan stop deceiving yourself.

Janosky:

Hebrew 1:2 "God created the Universe"...
Meaning God Created the Universe NOT his Son.

Emusan stop deceiving yourself.
You can't CHANGE Hebrew 1:2.
Oga,go and write your own Bible.

Emusan:
Emusan:

Rev 3:14 Jesus is the SOURCE OF ALL CREATION.
No wonder you can't provide the screenshot of the Rev 3:14 Interlinear verses

Arché is the word translated and see the meaning below.

arché: Beginning, origin, ruler, authority, principality

Emusan:
Since Heb 1:2 already proved Jesus is not part of the UNIVERSE

Emusan:
then it means the beginning (even when used) shouldn't be understood as part of Creation but the right rendition is ORIGIN, RULER OR AUTHORITY.

come with another lie.

Janosky:
Did Paul say that?
Definitely not.
Hebrew 1:2, Paul wrote:
"God created the Universe" NOT his son.

Oga, go write your own Bible.
Stop deceiving yourself .

Jesus used this expression:
" the beginning of Creation" @ Mark 10:6,@ Mark 13:19 ,@ Revelation 3:14 to prove his Father Yahweh is the Creator/the Source @ Mark 10:6,@Mark 13:19 ,@ Revelation 3:14.

Therefore, Jesus is the beginning of Creation.
(just as Paul proved God created the Universe).
Oga, you have more knowledge than Jesus the beginning of the creation by God?
Definitely not.