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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by Courz(op): 9:05am On Sep 30, 2025

MaxInDHouse:
The most sincere statement you have made on this forum!

So whatever you feel about God's people can't determine what everyone will do each person has his or her own mind!

For as long as God Almighty continues to reveal the darkest secrets of your Cult, I will continue to expose JW as the Bible demands. Your Cult thrives on secrecy just like Satan does. That has stopped. Jesus has decided to step in. All that is hidden will be brought to Light. The darkness doesn't like when light is shone.

Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:34am On Sep 30, 2025

It's well!

Courz:
For as long as God Almighty continues to reveal the darkest secrets of your Cult, I will continue to expose JW as the Bible demands. Your Cult thrives on secrecy just like Satan does. That has stopped. Jesus has decided to step in. All that is hidden will be brought to Light. The darkness doesn't like when light is shone.

Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by Courz(op): 9:37am On Sep 30, 2025

This next video is about the JW Leader Rutherford exposing how doctrines of JWs are formed. He said when the religion was chosen by Jesus, Jesus took away the Holy Spirit and decided that the mode of communication would be through Angels. Angels have been communicating with the Remnant Anointed JWs. This is not Biblical because Jesus said he will send the Holy Spirit to teach us all we need to know. We all know the kind of Angels Rutherford is referring to just by looking at the many doctrines that have changed and the many False Prophecies he claimed.

Former President of Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, Fred Franz, admitted in Court that the JW Bible had to be translated by the means of Angels. We all know how twisted the JW Bible is. We all know that their Bible has several words changed. Now here is Their president admitting that the translation team has to be under the influence of Angels. He said these Angels are the ones Controlling JWs. Wonderful admission here isn't it? Now, you can see where JW Doctrines come from. This is directly from the mouth of JW leaders.

The video also reveals a time JWS were asked to get a Book titled Angels and Women By Charles Taze Russell. When some JWS got the book, they realised that book is actually a dictation from A fallen angel who claims he wants to go back to God. The reply from Russell was that they can go ahead and read the book because it is talking about what happened before the Flood in the Bible. One of the present Governing body members also praised this book and revealed that the book is in the Gilead library in the Bethel headquarters of JW.

This shows that the JW Leaders have no problems with books that come from Fallen Angels because this is their mode of getting doctrines to feed JWS.

The video below explains it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybpE-t-BeT0?si=l9b-9joGOLc-lR1A

Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by Rexymania(m): 10:05am On Sep 30, 2025

Omo wahala dey. Something is controlling everyone, and we do not know what it is.

Keep digging

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by fortunez1(m): 10:31am On Sep 30, 2025

Good question 👍.

Charles Taze Russell (1852–1916), the founder of the Bible Student movement (which later became Jehovah’s Witnesses), is often accused of being a Freemason, but there’s no solid evidence he ever was. Here’s the breakdown:

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🔎 Why People Think Russell Was a Mason

1. Masonic Symbols on His Grave

Near his burial site in Pittsburgh is a pyramid-shaped monument with Bible inscriptions.

Some claim the pyramid and other imagery are “Masonic,” though pyramids were also widely used by non-Masons in the 19th–20th centuries.

2. His Writings/Illustrations

In some early Watch Tower publications, symbols like the cross and crown, or rays of light, were used. Critics point out similarities to Masonic emblems.

3. Statements About Freemasons

Russell once referred to being a "Free Mason in the true sense" — but when read in context, he was contrasting spiritual freedom in Christ with man-made lodges.

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📜 What Russell Himself Said

In a 1913 convention speech in Scotland, Russell explicitly denied being a Mason, saying:

> “I am not a Freemason, I have never been a Freemason. I never had anything to do with Masonry.”

He clarified that when he used the term “free mason,” he meant it in a biblical/spiritual sense (being a “free stone” built into God’s spiritual temple, as in 1 Peter 2:5).

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✅ Conclusion

No historical records (like lodge memberships or Masonic proceedings) list Russell as a Mason.

The Watch Tower Society and Jehovah’s Witnesses strongly distance themselves from Freemasonry, teaching that it’s incompatible with Christianity.

So: The “Russell was a Mason” claim is more conspiracy theory than fact, mainly based on symbols and misinterpretations of his words.

Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by fortunez1(m): 10:33am On Sep 30, 2025

Yes — but there’s some context behind it.

The International Bible Students Association (IBSA) in its early years sometimes rented Freemason lodges or halls for meetings, conventions, and Bible lectures. Here’s why:

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🔎 Why IBSA Used Masonic Halls

1. Practical Reasons

In the late 1800s and early 1900s, many cities didn’t have big neutral public auditoriums.

Masonic lodges were often the largest available, affordable, and centrally located venues for public talks.

2. Common Practice

Other Christian groups (Methodists, Baptists, Pentecostals, etc.) also rented Masonic halls or Oddfellows’ halls back then for the same reason.

Renting a hall didn’t mean they were affiliated with or endorsing Freemasonry.

3. Confusion with Symbolism

Because Russell and the IBSA sometimes used these lodges, and because some Bible Student literature had symbols (like the cross-and-crown), critics tied them to Freemasonry.

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📜 What IBSA/Jehovah’s Witnesses Said About It

Charles Taze Russell publicly denied being a Mason (1913, Glasgow speech).

The Watch Tower Society repeatedly clarified that they had no ties to Freemasonry — the hall rentals were simply about space availability.

Later, Jehovah’s Witnesses avoided such venues to steer clear of confusion.

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✅ In short:
Yes, IBSA sometimes used Masonic lodges for their gatherings, but only as rental halls, not because they were Masons or linked to the fraternity.

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Would you like me to give you a list of specific cities/dates where IBSA used Masonic lodges, so you see the pattern?

Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by fortunez1(m): 10:34am On Sep 30, 2025

[quote author=Courz post=136957140]This video is showing an International Bible Students Association (IBSA) Convention Program having the picture of a Masonic Lodge and Programs with Dates,Times and Public Talks exactly as it is presently organized in Jehovah's witnesses today.

This Convention program clearly shows the Venue to be a Masonic Lodge. This is during the time Joseph Rutherford was the Leader/President of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.

This was before Jehovah's witnesses ever thought of having Kingdom Halls. This is where they used to have their Talks.From the program, IBSA is clearly shown in front of the Lodge showing that the International Bible Students Association own this Masonic Lodge. It is their property. As you can see on the back of the Convention program, the Masonic symbol, the Cross and Crown is boldly shown on it. Back then, They were openly Masonic unlike now they are trying their hardest to Hide their Masonic roots. Today, IBSA still meet at Masonic Lodges.

Cc: w
Yes — but there’s some context behind it.

The International Bible Students Association (IBSA) in its early years sometimes rented Freemason lodges or halls for meetings, conventions, and Bible lectures. Here’s why:

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🔎 Why IBSA Used Masonic Halls

1. Practical Reasons

In the late 1800s and early 1900s, many cities didn’t have big neutral public auditoriums.

Masonic lodges were often the largest available, affordable, and centrally located venues for public talks.

2. Common Practice

Other Christian groups (Methodists, Baptists, Pentecostals, etc.) also rented Masonic halls or Oddfellows’ halls back then for the same reason.

Renting a hall didn’t mean they were affiliated with or endorsing Freemasonry.

3. Confusion with Symbolism

Because Russell and the IBSA sometimes used these lodges, and because some Bible Student literature had symbols (like the cross-and-crown), critics tied them to Freemasonry.

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📜 What IBSA/Jehovah’s Witnesses Said About It

Charles Taze Russell publicly denied being a Mason (1913, Glasgow speech).

The Watch Tower Society repeatedly clarified that they had no ties to Freemasonry — the hall rentals were simply about space availability.

Later, Jehovah’s Witnesses avoided such venues to steer clear of confusion.

---

✅ In short:
Yes, IBSA sometimes used Masonic lodges for their gatherings, but only as rental halls, not because they were Masons or linked to the fraternity.

---

Would you like me to give you a list of specific cities/dates where IBSA used Masonic lodges, so you see the pattern?

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by Maximus692(m): 10:59am On Sep 30, 2025

[quote author=fortunez1 post=136966321][/quote]You get time walahi talahi.

Courz just feel like sending wrong signals to the public about JWs but only gullible people welcomes such lies sincere and honest hearted people will make sure of all things and stick to what is GOOD! Thessalonians 5:21

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:26am On Sep 30, 2025

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Maximus692:
You get time walahi talahi.

Courz just feel like sending wrong signals to the public about JWs but only gullible people welcomes such lies sincere and honest hearted people will make sure of all things and stick to what is GOOD! Thessalonians 5:21

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:26am On Sep 30, 2025

Maximus692:
You get time walahi talahi.

Courz just feel like sending wrong signals to the public about JWs but only gullible people welcomes such lies sincere and honest hearted people will make sure of all things and stick to what is GOOD! Thessalonians 5:21

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by Courz(op): 1:50pm On Sep 30, 2025

fortunez1:
Good question 👍.

Charles Taze Russell (1852–1916), the founder of the Bible Student movement (which later became Jehovah’s Witnesses), is often accused of being a Freemason, but there’s no solid evidence he ever was. Here’s the breakdown:

---

🔎 Why People Think Russell Was a Mason

1. Masonic Symbols on His Grave

Near his burial site in Pittsburgh is a pyramid-shaped monument with Bible inscriptions.

Some claim the pyramid and other imagery are “Masonic,” though pyramids were also widely used by non-Masons in the 19th–20th centuries.

2. His Writings/Illustrations

In some early Watch Tower publications, symbols like the cross and crown, or rays of light, were used. Critics point out similarities to Masonic emblems.

3. Statements About Freemasons

Russell once referred to being a "Free Mason in the true sense" — but when read in context, he was contrasting spiritual freedom in Christ with man-made lodges.

---

📜 What Russell Himself Said

In a 1913 convention speech in Scotland, Russell explicitly denied being a Mason, saying:

> “I am not a Freemason, I have never been a Freemason. I never had anything to do with Masonry.”

He clarified that when he used the term “free mason,” he meant it in a biblical/spiritual sense (being a “free stone” built into God’s spiritual temple, as in 1 Peter 2:5).

---

✅ Conclusion

No historical records (like lodge memberships or Masonic proceedings) list Russell as a Mason.

The Watch Tower Society and Jehovah’s Witnesses strongly distance themselves from Freemasonry, teaching that it’s incompatible with Christianity.

So: The “Russell was a Mason” claim is more conspiracy theory than fact, mainly based on symbols and misinterpretations of his words.

Do you know anything about Freemasonry and how secrecy is upheld in the Cult? Are you expecting someone to come out and reveal their membership just like that when that is not allowed? Do you know the essence of symbolism in Freemasonry? Do you know how Freemasons communicate with symbols? You are busy bringing Google information thinking Google will bring out everything as secretive as a Freemason membership especially if the subject is a leader of a Cult? You have wasted your time copying and pasting lies from the Internet.

For your information, it is too late to deny Charles Taze Russell membership. This is why you JWS don't claim him. You all know his reputation is very bad.

His Freemason membership has already been documented in History books of Cults, in a Lodge located in Ireland which was found by a CIA agent and by Freemasons in the JW cult who have left JW. I also watched a video where a couple were told by a Freemason that the Pyramid tombstone of Charles Taze Russell is already proof that He is a mason, infact, a very high level one. This is why he was very interested in paganism.

Don't waste your time copying and pasting information. It's too late.

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by Emusan(m): 1:57pm On Sep 30, 2025*

kingthreat:
The founder of the movement was known to be a freemason. That I have known for a long time.
But so far I have nothing against the JWs, neither do I see it as a cult. They are just a set of christians with different understandings of the doctrines of Christianity. To be part of God's kingdom, you have to believe that Jesus is the son of God and this they believe so I let them be.

When you say different understanding, we can further ask some serious questions.

1. Where does this DIFFERENT understanding originated from?

2. For which purpose does this DIFFERENT understanding come?

If you read the history of Watchtower, you'll understand those questions.

Despite the claim from their founding founder till present day leaders that they have been under Jehovah, Jesus & God's Holy Spirit direction.

Yet there have back and forth teachings from inception.

Is that how God works?

Definitely Not.

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by Courz(op): 1:58pm On Sep 30, 2025

[quote author=fortunez1 post=136966321][/quote]Don't waste your time about this Renting of halls excuse. It is a very flimsy excuse to give.

So, out of all the halls in the U.S, a so called One True Religion, free from paganism as they claim, kept choosing a Masonic Temple times and times again, chosen by Charles Taze Russell and Rutherford, knowing fully well what takes place there, to be a fitting place of worship? IBSA even had their own Masonic Lodge and Rutherford had no problems with it. Is this what you are trying to tell the public? With all the rituals and bloodshed that take place and the Demons that stay in these Temples, you still chose to use them as place of Worship? A Satanic place? A Pagan Temple? Is that what Jesus asked JWs to do when he selected them as the One True Religion in 1919? Okay, why have JWs stopped attending Masonic Temples if these Temples are no big deal and just for Rent? Why is it that IBSA still attend in Masonic Temples today?

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by Emusan(m): 1:59pm On Sep 30, 2025

Courz:
There is another Talk by Joseph Rutherford and the Venue of this talk was placed on a Banner to advertise to the public. The Venue was still a Masonic Lodge. I found it on a video sometime ago. I will try to find it and post it here.

Keep the fire burning.

That fake elder didn't block you?

His post above shows your thread is hitting the right place.

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by Courz(op): 2:03pm On Sep 30, 2025

Emusan:
Keep the fire burning.

That fake elder didn't block you?

His post above shows your thread is hitting the right place.

Thank you jare. The guy blocked me before. I don't understand his presence in this thread. Goes to show he can never keep to his words to avoid me.

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by Courz(op): 2:18pm On Sep 30, 2025

The flimsy excuse you see on the internet to explain why a Christian religion will rent a Pagan Temple to use as a place of worship does not fly here. That tactic will never work. Look at the video I attached in the Op. That is an Order of Eastern Star Temple owned by IBSA in the 1920s. Imagine a so called Christian religion going to rent a Buddhist Temple. Haba! Why the same Temple over and over again if not that you agree with the Buddhist beliefs and have no problems in sharing in the rituals that take place there. I have attached a video of what happens in a Masonic Lodge/Hall/Temple. Sacrifices of animals and more serious rituals plus child sexual abuse plus Spiritistic practices take place in their Temples. Then just imagine the legions of Demons and Fallen Angels that stay there. And you see nothing wrong with that? As a Christian, what are you doing there? Do you ever see God telling the Israelites to go to pagan Temples and worship him there? Don't bother to bring this flimsy excuse. That's propaganda.

Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by Emusan(m): 4:28pm On Sep 30, 2025

Courz:
Thank you jare. The guy blocked me before. I don't understand his presence in this thread. Goes to show he can never keep to his words to avoid me.

It's already proven that he can't keep to his word. I think he knows the damage such a thread like can cause to the organization, so he is afraid and the need for him coming here to divert attention is necessary.

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by Courz(op): 8:26am On Oct 05, 2025

Continuation of Demonism in Watchtower. The short video below goes on to explain what Rutherford meant when he said that Angels give messages to the Anointed JWs. This practice of communication with Angels is known as Enochian Magic.

The video goes on to explain what is involved in Enochian Magic and gives reasons as to why the name Watchtower was picked by Russell based on the influence of Enochian Magic as a means to communicate with Angels.

The video also mentions Books written on the Watchtower society, the Masons and Magic what can be found in the CIA website. The video mentions Instances of when satanic images are displayed in JW Publications which is tied to Enochian Magic with some of the images being that of the Watchers. These images are magically charged for the purpose of getting a desired outcome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3eAspdCBm8?si=V80uddpbcz21t9UT

Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by Courz(op): 8:41am On Oct 05, 2025

This video explains a symbol shown repeatedly in a JW Cartoon for kids and a symbol of magic displayed at the entrance of a Kingdom Hall in the U.K.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3rlH-lTUOE?si=7wkHvUPtHZA1ANwu

Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by Courz(op): 8:59am On Oct 05, 2025

This video explains how JW has proven to be Satanic through the claims they have made over the years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49-OLke3YeY?si=QfxhENvlf_SvHocT

Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by Courz(op): 10:15am On Oct 05, 2025

Continuation of Watchtower and Demonism Part 6 below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFZOCWB3bYY?si=NARNYZOdTlTXxaNv

Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by Courz(op): 10:54am On Oct 05, 2025

This video below is about Baal Worship and Jehovah. Also, a lady shows the pictures of art work she took at the Bethel headquarters which visitors were not allowed to take (a strange rule). One of the pictures she took is that of a carved image of Baal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQejzRJAv7E?si=y-A1UD_xFZlBsVQV

Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Having Meetings In Masonic Lodge In The 1920s by Courz(op): 11:12am On Oct 05, 2025

This video below is about Johannes Greber, A former Catholic Priest who was a Spiritist. The video talks about the times when Watchtower used Johannes Greber's Bible Translation as a reference for the JWs New World Translation.

Johannes Greber admitted that he was able to write his own Bible Translation with the help of demons. The Demons also taught him various Doctrines that are same Doctrines of Jehovah's witnesses. Remember, former President of Watchtower, Fred Franz, also admitted to being under the influence of Angels of different Ranks to translate the JW BIBLE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yvhAL9YaoU?si=sNfe5yxkq8fIj4gD

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