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Ibeme:
No I don't believe any of the above

I believe the numbers are in line with modern war realities and the tactics Hamas uses

70,000 in 700 days, that's about 100 a day in the middle of major war and munitions dropping. That's being extra careful

Hamas did 1,200 in 1 day with couple hundred men and medieval weapons, that's the difference between genocide and collateral damage

The way you carelessly use the word war, I pray you never experience it.

You refuse to separate a terror group from a nation and carelessly put a war on terror like it's a war against a nation and doing statistics with innocent human life.

Looking back at the war against the Taliban and Afghanistan, what did US gain at the end besides the death of thousands of innocents ones? Most of the al-Qaeda members and leaders they were looking for were latet gotten through the use of superior intelligence and advanced security technology outside of the war. And today the Taliban is back in power.

Wars are not always the solution. We should learn from the past and not carelessly use the failed war data to justify another one. In this age and time, the use of intelligence and technology achieve better results at a lower cost and minimal damage when dealing with terrorists.

But then it also depends on what value you place on human life.

ObaIgwe1:
The way you carelessly use the word war, I pray you never experience it.

You refuse to separate a terror group from a nation and carelessly put a war on terror like it's a war against a nation and doing statistics with innocent human life.

Looking back at the war against the Taliban and Afghanistan, what did US gain at the end besides the death of thousands of innocents ones? Most of the al-Qaeda members and leaders they were looking for were latet gotten through the use of superior intelligence and advanced security technology outside of the war. And today the Taliban is back in power.

Wars are not always the solution. We should learn from the past and not carelessly use the failed war data to justify another one. In this age and time, the use of intelligence and technology achieve better results at a lower cost and minimal damage when dealing with terrorists.

But then it also depends on what value you place on human life.

With what US did, AlQaeda learned the lesson that when you attack US you will get 10 times the blowback

That is a deterrent for further planned attacks

The same reason why criminals are held responsible

budaatum:
One can not name a single Nigerian killed in the Nigerian Civil War, despite watching some of it live on telly, so no one died in the Biafran War.

Is that your logic here?

I can name many Nigerians killed during the Biafran war

Can you name or point to anywhere in the UN partition document where any Palestinian was asked to move from the land he owns, or even move from a communal land he occupies (without ownership)

For the avoidance of doubt the UN partition created 2 countries - one with 99% Palestinians and one with 40% Palestinians and 60% Jews. It did not require anyone to move or give up land

All it was is that the Palestinians did not want to live in a State where they are 40% minority and would not have the political power in that state and launched a war of extermination. You can draw parallel with Igalas gerrymandered into Anambra State. The Igalas in Anambra still have their villages and lands, no one took it from them, but some may be annoyed they were not districted into Kogi State where they can perhaps form more of a majority

For the avoidance of doubt, the Palestinians who did not engage in this war of extermination are in Israel today and form 20% of the population of Israel and are doing much better on any HDI than their brother's who went the agidi way

Also pertinent to point out that the UN resolution gave provision for the landless Bedouin tribe who are nomadic in nature to continue to be part of the Israeli state and continue their nomadic ways. The Bedouin tribe are a part of Israel today enjoying the rights granted them by the UN and a sizeable number of them volunteer for the IDF. IDF is not mandatory for Arab Israelis but them boku for IDF

budaatum:
Yet, Ibime who is denying enough Palestinians died is asking me to name one Palestinian who Balfour declaration of 1917 killed and expects me to take him serious.

There's usually a religious bias behind it I find. It stops signal getting to brain.

There is a bias there that he won't admit.
His posts are really irrational on this, yet on other things seem sane.

Ibime:
I can name many Nigerians killed during the Biafran war

Can you name or point to anywhere in the UN partition document where any Palestinian was asked to move from the land he owns, or even move from a communal land he occupies (without ownership)

You are just deflecting. And it's irritating to say the least, considering the many Palestinians who've been moved off their land and bombed out their house since then but I should point you a name.

cococandy:
What we have learned from current events is that we can’t trust what the victors wrote about history.

If I didn’t exist in this timeline, 50 years from now they’ll lie to the new adults that they never starved Palestinian children, or committed unconscionable war crimes like driving over civilians with armored tanks and executing healthcare personnel including American citizens.

You're right, I didn't understand a lot of the history of that area until I started reading more history post college.
I didn't know how much of the history has been whitewashed.

Unfortunately for Israel, I think they have lost that ability to wholesale create the narrative. This war saw to that.
The political landscape esp. in the US is going to look much more different going forward.

There was even a good ruling by a judge today pushing back on the conflation of the criticism of Israel to antisemitism.

"However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.”

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.282460/gov.uscourts.mad.282460.261.0.pdf

budaatum:
You are just deflecting. And it's irritating to say the least, considering the many Palestinians who've been moved off their land and bombed out their house since then but I should point you a name.

I am talking of UN partition

Did UN partition take land from anyone? No!

What happened on the announcement of UN partition is the Arabs launches a war of extermination so moving out their house is a normal by product of that

cococandy:
What we have learned from current events is that we can’t trust what the victors wrote about history.

If I didn’t exist in this timeline, 50 years from now they’ll lie to the new adults that they never starved Palestinian children, or committed unconscionable war crimes like driving over civilians with armored tanks and executing healthcare personnel including American citizens.

Trusti what ah hamas isa ah say. Kikikikiki

Palestine is a case of 2 people without ownership meeting on a piece of land

The Arabs are mostly recent migrants and field hands brought to work the land by the Ottomans.

The Israelis are a people fleeing persecution in Europe to a land written in their books but hardly any of them have visited

UN found a way for them to live together. One decided he cannot live with his brother and has been paying the consequence since

Finally he will accept a much reduced portion of his inheritance (Gaza and West Bank) as his state when UN gave him over half the land and he did not agree

A lot of what we call Palestinians today are migrant serfs who predated the Jewish migration by only 50-100 years. The British were observing reality on the ground when they said "A land without a people for a people without a land"

Before you argue, even Yasser Arafat the first Palestinian was born and bred in Egypt. Arafats father fought in Egyptian courts for 25 years to claim his ancestral land in Egypt. Majority of the Palestinians who lost the 1948 war returned to the their fathers land in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan. Both the Jews and Arabs were majority recent migrants to the land. Live together peacefully dem no gree, so in that case might will make right.

Ibime:
I am talking of UN partition

Did UN partition take land from anyone? No!

What happened on the announcement of UN partition is the Arabs launches a war of extermination so moving out their house is a normal by product of that

You keep talking about whatever you want to keep talking about. Just don't expect me who's house you bombed just this yesterday and killed my mother and killed my father and uncles and aunties and brothers and sister to not terrorise you because you radicalised me.

Meanwhile. Here's some propaganda.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israel-destroyed-christian-presence-in-gaza-palestinian-church-affairs-committee/3701804

budaatum:
You keep talking about whatever you want to keep talking about. Just don't expect me who's house you bombed just this yesterday and killed my mother and killed my father and uncles and aunties and brothers and sister to not terrorise you because you radicalised me.

Your grandfather radicalised you in 1948. When you get sense, you will start enjoying life like the Palestinian Israelis and Bedouins who form 20% of Israel

Ibime:
UN found a way for them to live together. One decided he cannot live with his brother and has been paying the consequence since.

Listen to yourself say, the UN found a way that failed, with a straight face.

budaatum:
Listen to yourself say, the UN found a way that failed, with a straight face.

And they are about to accept a much reduced version of what UN gave them in 1947

Infact they are even begging for a return to UN agreement of 1947 with the benefit of hindsight

So who failed?

Ibime:
Your grandfather radicalised you in 1948. When you get sense, you will start enjoying life like the Palestinian Israelis and Bedouins who form 20% of Israel

There are people who enjoyed life as slaves too, doesn't mean rest of us wouldn't rather be free.

Meanwhile a magat did it.

This is the price of sowing hateful rhetoric

raumdeuter:
With what US did, AlQaeda learned the lesson that when you attack US you will get 10 times the blowback

That is a deterrent for further planned attacks

The same reason why criminals are held responsible

10 times of killing innocent people and 10 times waste of many US soldiers' life and 10 times waste of billions that could have been put to better use you mean? The war in Afghanistan had little impact on al Qaeda. Like I wrote earlier, most of the al-Qaeda members and leaders were gotten outside of the war, through the use of superior intelligence and advanced security technology. US didn't need that war to show her might.

With the benefits of hindsight, if you are an honest conservative, you will agree that the war archived little and worth not the cost, especially the waste of innocent life.

But then you guys do not value human life except your personal life.

budaatum:
There are people who enjoyed life as slaves too, doesn't mean rest of us wouldn't rather be free.

Japanese people are not living in slavery today. They started a war, lost the war and agreed to demilitarize. They adopted new doctrine and political system under the occupiers guidance.

Israel should take the whole of westbank and Gaza and only return it when the Palestinians agreed to live side by side.

The same thing happened to Germany. They were taken over by 4 empires. French, British, American and the soviet. They changed their doctrine as well.

Ibime:
And they are about to accept a much reduced version of what UN gave them in 1947

Infact they are even begging for a return to UN agreement of 1947 with the benefit of hindsight

So who failed?

And we all know Israel does not have any intention of giving up any land they'd always intended to steal anyway.

Fighting for ones right is not measured like you think, or those killed fighting the Holocaust and Apartheid and slavery and genocide failed.

IjeBos:
You say you are against cultism yet support Donald Trump's cult?
What elements in cultism did you see that you don't support that aren't in the current Republican MAGA party?
The hate? The anger? THe violence. Or the obsequiousness to a leader who asks the worst of you?

The same person that joined a cult years ago is the same person you are now.
You say you are older and wiser? Years made you older. But, what is wiser about you?

He said he became wiser but ended up supporting a sex offender, a grifter, a vile human being who doesnt give a damn about him as a black man.

budaatum:
And we all know Israel does not have any intention of giving up any land they'd always intended to steal anyway.

Fighting for ones right is not measured like you think, or those killed fighting the Holocaust and Apartheid and slavery and genocide failed.

No they will not. Gaza and West Bank it will be

What happened in the 1940s will stay in the 1940s. Different time, different era. Those were the norms of those days.

budaatum:
All show just to distract.

Pam Bondi don run leave Epstein matter.

They chase shadows..

They'll all pay for their misdeeds, mistruths and cover ups one day.

I only pity the people who must have thought these grifters and self serving humans as saviors from God.

So no one says they didn't see it getting worse.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/federal-prosecutors-are-ousted-purge-intensifies-trumps-justice-depart-rcna234453

ObaIgwe1:
10 times of killing innocent people and 10 times waste of many US soldiers' life and 10 times waste of billions that could have been put to better use you mean? The war in Afghanistan had little impact on al Qaeda. Like I wrote earlier, most of the al-Qaeda members and leaders were gotten outside of the war, through the use of superior intelligence and advanced security technology. US didn't need that war to show her might.

With the benefits of hindsight, if you are an honest conservative, you will agree that the war archived little and worth not the cost, especially the waste of innocent life.

But then you guys do not value human life except your personal life.

The war ensured Al Qaeda will think twice before they come to attack American heartland because they know there will be severe repercussion for it. That war on terror and the sacrifice of our warriors is why I am able to live, go to work without fearing that another Al qaeda plane will crash into a skyscraper.

I do not value the life of anyone who tries to take mine. I cannot like your life more than mine. If you threaten my life and my safety, I do not value your life. SIMPLE

ObaIgwe1:
Israel has the capability of getting the intelligence and means of ridding terrorist without the need to wipe out the whole people.

Imagine a terrorist hiding in your area and instead of the security personnel to find way and means of isolating the terrorist, they decided to bomb your whole area calling you collateral damage, make it make sense to me.

You need to answer this. How many dead as collateral damage is the threshold . What is the ratio of terrorists vs civilians should IDF kill to qualify as a normal warfare?
You many compare with other wars like the Dresden bombing of WW2. Or the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs.

budaatum:
You keep talking about whatever you want to keep talking about. Just don't expect me who's house you bombed just this yesterday and killed my mother and killed my father and uncles and aunties and brothers and sister to not terrorise you because you radicalised me.

Meanwhile. Here's some propaganda.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israel-destroyed-christian-presence-in-gaza-palestinian-church-affairs-committee/3701804

Gazans used to enter Israel to work . Some were on a spying mission reporting to Hamas on where they could easily attack . Tell me which country can stand 20000 rockets fired Indiscriminately at them without wiping out their factories or import routes. Which country can stand your neighbour digging tunnels to infiltrate amd murder your citizens.
The idea of holding hostages has been perfected by Hamas. Shalit was kidnapped through those tunnels, and ransomed with Sinwar plus 1200 other prosoners..Sinwar had been imprisoned to 4 life sentences for the murder of 4 Palestinian collaborators. When freed he masterminded the largest mass murder of Israels since the Holocaust in a single day.
Hamas sole existence is wiping Israel off the map, while their leaders live in Qatar luxuriously. That's a common feeling among those women and children you cry about.
If you were in Israel in Oct 7 ,Hamas would have murdered you too.

raumdeuter:
The war ensured Al Qaeda will think twice before they come to attack American heartland because they know there will be severe repercussion for it. That war on terror and the sacrifice of our warriors is why I am able to live, go to work without fearing that another Al qaeda plane will crash into a skyscraper.

I do not value the life of anyone who tries to take mine. I cannot like your life more than mine. If you threaten my life and my safety, I do not value your life. SIMPLE

Well said.
They shed crocodile tears for people who would rejoice if terrorists murdered them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1IzsBfUnFg?si=Pb119OkyIU_1vxOg

Watch Jasmine gently read this repulsive republican to filth. Like a typical conservative kuun, he took all the grace and chances offered when he needed it and now he’s risen to a position of influence, he wants to yank the ladder from under others like him.

He used to sell weed as well as being a burglar/robber. All were wiped from his record and he was given 3 chances at redemption. Now he’s risen managed to rise above his past because of the grace he was given but he doesn’t want to give others same grace.

He wouldn’t even be able to vote if Trump and the GOP had their way. Black conservatives are extremely extremely embarrassing.

Trump trolled Hakeem Jeffries and Schumer when they went to demand that illegal healthcare be included else the govt will shut down.
He offered them MAGA caps with Trump 2028.. They declined.

Next he took them to the new Presidential Walk of Fame where former presidents portraits are displayed on the wall. Joe Biden portrait was replaced by an autopen😆😆😆

Separately a framed copy of the actual Georgia mugshot has been displayed in the White House since February 2025, hanging in a gold frame just outside the Oval Office near historic paintings of George Washington and Franklin D. Roosevelt

The current 47 closely resembles the mugshot.

I would love to see Fani Willis reaction if she visited the WH.

basilico:
Trump trolled Hakeem Jeffries and Schumer when they went to demand that illegal healthcare be included else the govt will shut down.
He offered them MAGA caps with Trump 2028.. They declined.

Next he took them to the new Presidential Walk of Fame where former presidents portraits are displayed on the wall. Joe Biden portrait was replaced by an autopen😆😆😆

Not a laughing matter!!

armyofone:
Not a laughing matter!!

Subtle message to those who wanted to take him down by all means.

Biden needed note card reminders to recognize faces . He also got note cards with question numbers. 5 turned up at the National Archivist.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/exclusive-unearthed-biden-note-cards-reveal-he-had-bios-photo-reminders-hillary-clinton-schumer

Discovery of Note Cards: Fox News obtained five "palm cards" from the Biden administration, unearthed during a National Archives investigation into autopen use; these provided Biden with names, photos, short bios, and roles of key figures for public events.
Specific Examples:
*Card for Presidential Medal of Freedom recipients included photos and bios of Hillary Clinton (noted as Obama-era Secretary of State) and Denzel Washington.
*Card for a judicial confirmations speech featured photos of Chuck Schumer (Senate Majority Leader, NY) and Dick Durbin (Senate Majority Whip, IL).
*Card for Kennedy Center Honors listed family members of Francis Ford Coppola.
*Card for January 18 "Greets" event included bios of White House Historical Association President Stewart McLaurin and the Pritzker family (e.g., Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker).
*Card for an ABC News press conference detailed a question from reporter Mary Bruce on re-election and debt limit, marked "Question #3."

Biden's Preparation Practices: Four cards were stamped "PRESIDENT HAS SEEN," indicating review; a former staffer called this standard briefing for events, including anticipated questions, though it fueled concerns about Biden's mental acuity and reliance on aids during 2024 campaign scrutiny.
Broader Context and Implications: Cards emerged amid Trump-ordered probe into Biden's autopen use over health doubts; White House under Trump contrasts by noting no such cards are used, with Trump handling questions "off the cuff" without pre-screening.



Seriously this was elder abuse. We know Hunter Biden sat in meetings where pardons were approved including his Dec 11 pardon.