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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ObaIgwe1: 4:51pm On Oct 01, 2025
IjeBos:
But when is the leader reflective of the broader population?
At some point we have to say that the majority of Israel supports what he is doing, and so their morals are questionable.

What is the difference between Israel and the White South Afrikaans at this point?
I get your point, but I prefer to call individual leader that have exhibited a trait to question than assume everyone under his leadership share the same trait.

For instance, I know Trump is racist, calling all MAGA racist might be too far, knowing that majority of them are just dumb, and saying all Americans are racist because of Trump will be unfair to Americans like you and my wife that are not, and until a research is done, it will be ignorant of me to claim majority of Americans are racists because of Trump, afterall majority of same American populace elected a black man as president twice.

So for now I will only hold Netanyahu guilty of genocide until I see some data proving majority of Israelis are guilty as well. Remember just recently thousands of Israelis protested for the end of the war and suffering in Gaza.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 4:53pm On Oct 01, 2025
benalvino3:
Are you new to politics, what part did the democrats play?
I expect joint ownership. Not this you are to be blamed ping pong going on..
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 4:55pm On Oct 01, 2025
raumdeuter:
This is all on the democrats. The Republicans proposed a CR that keeps govt open on current situation, The Democrats wanted to change and insert other things into the current CR
And? And they couldnt reach a bipartisan stance? But rather raise hands and legs saying it is this other person that has made the government to shutdown..

The republican party is presently good at doing what ever the he-ll they like. They can just go ahead and do whatever.. if they do not want any inputs from their colleagues.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 4:58pm On Oct 01, 2025
bayelsaowei:
grin grin

Ted Cruz head don full..
Freudian slip of the century grin
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 5:03pm On Oct 01, 2025
bayelsaowei:
I expect joint ownership. Not this you are to be blamed ping pong going on..
Is the democrats blaming themselves too or they are doing the blaming on only the Republicans?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 5:13pm On Oct 01, 2025
bayelsaowei:
And? And they couldnt reach a bipartisan stance? But rather raise hands and legs saying it is this other person that has made the government to shutdown..

The republican party is presently good at doing what ever the he-ll they like. They can just go ahead and do whatever.. if they do not want any inputs from their colleagues.
The reason Chuck Schumer is shutting down the govt is because he is afraid of being primaried by AOC in New York. Why should the govt shutdown because of Schumers insecurity and Democrats tantrums

The whole country is watching them
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ObaIgwe1: 5:16pm On Oct 01, 2025
raumdeuter:
Show me 1 war where innocent lives were not affected? It was the war that decimated Al Qaeda . Or how was the superior intelligence put to use if it wasnt the war? You mean little to show for it The little like Americans do not have to worry about terrorist flying planes into their buildings Is not little to me or to the Americans enjoying peace right now

Israel was attacked, their people held as hostages, Some of the hostages released actually confirmed they were held in the houses of these "innocent civilians". Give me an alternative way of getting Hamas guys who embed themselves into the civilian population of Gaza.

Israel has taken extra ordinary steps to put value on the lives which is why they share leaflets to the civilians, the send warnings and text messages to the people. If Israel was not caring for the Gaza civilians, you know they can wipe out everyone there within 7 days. But they have not and they are not. That is the limit of caring in a war
Most of the top Al Qaeda were eliminated outside the range of Afghan war, or was Osama elimination has anything to do with the Afghan war? Also today the same Taliban the war aimed to eliminate are back in government. If there are less terrorist attack now, it is not because of the war, it is because of the improvement in intelligence gathering that has been eliminating the bad guys before they implement their evil plan.

Reviews of most wars has shown things could have been handled better without wars. We cannot continue to desire world peace and at the same time continue to call for war and justify current innocent killings base on the past innocent killings numbers, how does that make the world a better place?

Combat wars are becoming outdated. By combat, Israel would not have been able to face all the hostile nations surrounding her. What has helped Israel till date is her intelligence gathering, eliminating the bad guys before they act. Israel is only showing this aggression towards Palestine because the Palestine just doesn't have the numbers or army of the size of Israel. Will Israel ever think of a combat war with Iran?

I am not asking Israel to stop going after the bad guys, I am simply asking them to use a more effective approach that reduces the waste of innocent life.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 5:17pm On Oct 01, 2025
benalvino3:
Is the democrats blaming themselves too or they are doing the blaming on only the Republicans?
They should carry a little part of it..the bulk of the blame should go to the republican..

They are in control of everything.. the senate, the house, the presidency..they are in full control..

Let them for once in their life just chop blame small and address matters, rather than run all over the place with their hands up like they are in the minority..

After all they've been having their way in unprecedented/partisan ways in recent times.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by legitnow1: 5:18pm On Oct 01, 2025
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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by legitnow1: 5:18pm On Oct 01, 2025
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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 5:20pm On Oct 01, 2025
raumdeuter:
The reason Chuck Schumer is shutting down the govt is because he is afraid of being primaried by AOC in New York. Why should the govt shutdown because of Schumers insecurity and Democrats tantrums

The whole country is watching them
making the mistake of saying Chuck is shutting down the government.

I leave you to your delusions..

If republicans like they should be there acting irresponsibly to their duties like cry babies.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 5:45pm On Oct 01, 2025
ObaIgwe1:
Most of the top Al Qaeda were eliminated outside the range of Afghan war, or was Osama elimination has anything to do with the Afghan war? Also today the same Taliban the war aimed to eliminate are back in government. If there are less terrorist attack now, it is not because of the war, it is because of the improvement in intelligence gathering that has been eliminating the bad guys before they implement their evil plan.

Reviews of most wars has shown things could have been handled better without wars. We cannot continue to desire world peace and at the same time continue to call for war and justify current innocent killings base on the past innocent killings numbers, how does that make the world a better place?

Combat wars are becoming outdated. By combat, Israel would not have been able to face all the hostile nations surrounding her. What has helped Israel till date is her intelligence gathering, eliminating the bad guys before they act. Israel is only showing this aggression towards Palestine because the Palestine just doesn't have the numbers or army of the size of Israel. Will Israel ever think of a combat war with Iran?

I am not asking Israel to stop going after the bad guys, I am simply asking them to use a more effective approach that reduces the waste of innocent life.
The Afghan war lasted from 2001 to 2021 when Biden pulled out, So who were the top Al Qaeda eliminated outside of the war. Osama elimination was in the thick of the war when Obama ordered his killing in the compound in Abottabad and even had some Osamas family members killed which no one would shed tears for

With all the intelligence gathering, Did that stop Al Qaeda from flying planes into WTC or bombing London trains

When Russia decided to invade Ukraine, what non combat option did Ukraine have? Can you tell me? Maybe NATO can learn from you
When Hamas attacked Israel and took hundreds as hostages, What non combat option do they have to get their people back .

Its easy to sit behind computers and advocate more effective without giving specific example.

Now I am asking you pointedly, What specific examples should Israel, Ukraine and countries attacked have used that didnt involve combat
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 5:51pm On Oct 01, 2025
Looks like the Comey case may be fatally defective.
Trump can only appoint an interim DA for 120 days. The person he appointed and fired used up the days.
So if the new DA's appointment was illegal and she was the only one who signed the indictment, the case falls.

Seems like none other than Alito wrote the Justice Department Opinion on this.
Can the Attorney General make a second interim appointment under section 546 when the first interim appointment has expired? The most natural reading of section 546 is that the authority to make the interim appointment then lies with the district court. And that’s evidently the position that the Department of Justice itself adopted in a 1986 Office of Legal Counsel opinion written by none other than Samuel Alito. That opinion itself might not be in the public domain, but a 1993 OLC opinion (p. 3 n. 5) states that the Alito opinion “suggest[s] that the Attorney General may not make successive interim appointments pursuant to section 546.”
Incompetence upon Incompetence.
That may be one of the US's saving graces. They can't even competently be authoritarian.

And this was from Right Wing "The National Review".
https://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/was-lindsey-halligan-validly-appointed-as-united-states-attorney/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 5:52pm On Oct 01, 2025
bayelsaowei:
making the mistake of saying Chuck is shutting down the government.

I leave you to your delusions..

If republicans like they should be there acting irresponsibly to their duties like cry babies.
Republicans want to keep the govt open by passing a clean CR, but Schumer said No. Just to prove he is radical and can resist Trump to prevent AOC from pushing him out of his seat
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 5:53pm On Oct 01, 2025
bayelsaowei:
They should carry a little part of it..the bulk of the blame should go to the republican..

They are in control of everything.. the senate, the house, the presidency..they are in full control..

Let them for once in their life just chop blame small and address matters, rather than run all over the place with their hands up like they are in the minority..

After all they've been having their way in unprecedented/partisan ways in recent times.
So you are hear sharing blame. I hope you consider equality when you do. No cheating but already you Don shoot the bulk of it to Republicans. smiley
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ObaIgwe1: 6:25pm On Oct 01, 2025
raumdeuter:
The Afghan war lasted from 2001 to 2021 when Biden pulled out, So who were the top Al Qaeda eliminated outside of the war. Osama elimination was in the thick of the war when Obama ordered his killing in the compound in Abottabad and even had some Osamas family members killed which no one would shed tears for

With all the intelligence gathering, Did that stop Al Qaeda from flying planes into WTC or bombing London trains

When Russia decided to invade Ukraine, what non combat option did Ukraine have? Can you tell me? Maybe NATO can learn from you
When Hamas attacked Israel and took hundreds as hostages, What non combat option do they have to get their people back .

Its easy to sit behind computers and advocate more effective without giving specific example.

Now I am asking you pointedly, What specific examples should Israel, Ukraine and countries attacked have used that didnt involve combat
What did the combat war at Afghan got to do with the intelligence that located and eliminated Osama at Pakistan?

Honestly, either you are reading my posts on a fly or you are not getting my point or you are just refusing to address my core argument, either way I am tired of repeating myself.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 6:28pm On Oct 01, 2025
bayelsaowei:
And? And they couldnt reach a bipartisan stance? But rather raise hands and legs saying it is this other person that has made the government to shutdown..

The republican party is presently good at doing what ever the he-ll they like. They can just go ahead and do whatever.. if they do not want any inputs from their colleagues.
Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries are the first casualties. $18 B Federal funding for New York cut off
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump’s administration said Wednesday it was putting a hold on roughly $18 billion to fund a new rail tunnel beneath the Hudson River between New York City and New Jersey and the city’s expanded Second Avenue subway project because of the government shutdown.

The White House budget director, Russ Vought, said on a post on X that the step was taken due to the Republican administration’s belief the money was based on unconstitutional diversity, equity and inclusion principles.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by legitnow1: 6:29pm On Oct 01, 2025
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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by legitnow1: 6:30pm On Oct 01, 2025
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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 6:32pm On Oct 01, 2025
bayelsaowei:
They should carry a little part of it..the bulk of the blame should go to the republican..

They are in control of everything.. the senate, the house, the presidency..they are in full control..

Let them for once in their life just chop blame small and address matters, rather than run all over the place with their hands up like they are in the minority..

After all they've been having their way in unprecedented/partisan ways in recent times.
Last I checked the Republicans are 53 in the Senate . For the CR to pass it needs 60 votes . Schumer demanded hundreds of billions for transgender surgeries and for illegal alien healthcare
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 6:38pm On Oct 01, 2025
ObaIgwe1:
What did the combat war at Afghan got to do with the intelligence that located and eliminated Osama at Pakistan?

Honestly, either you are reading my posts on a fly or you are not getting my point or you are just refusing to address my core argument, either way I am tired of repeating myself.
The combat war of Afghanistan chased Osama from his comfort into a fugitive roaming the area and disconnected him from his network of Taliban and Al qaeda protecting him until they got him at his hideout in Pakistan

Your argument is that they should find another way beside combat which is why I am asking you for specifics using current wars

What should Ukraine or Israel do without combat when war was brought to their house? Specific tactics is what we need not general statements
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 6:43pm On Oct 01, 2025
These are some of the innocent civilians of Gaza. The ones Obaigwe1 wants Israel to have effective conversations with

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by legitnow1: 6:55pm On Oct 01, 2025
SpaceX:
you can imagine a world where the Jews wake up daily to pray five times chanting "Elohim" and at night they chant the same name deleting people, how will the Musli___ms feel? Will they be comfortable with that behaviour?
IT REALLY WOULD BE NICE TO SEE HOW ACCEPTABL;E THIS WOULD BE TO THEM.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ObaIgwe1: 7:44pm On Oct 01, 2025
raumdeuter:
These are some of the innocent civilians of Gaza. The ones Obaigwe1 wants Israel to have effective conversations with

So this is how you are trained to think? You pick 1 extreme story and project it as the norm for all the people of Palestine.

This just prove me right that you understood nothing I wrote, and as usual another waste of my time engaging you. You are only about the silly thinking in your head.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 7:52pm On Oct 01, 2025
ObaIgwe1:
So this is how you are trained to think? You pick 1 extreme story and project it as the norm for all the people of Palestine.

This just prove me right that you understood nothing I wrote, and as usual another waste of my time engaging you. You are only about the silly thinking in your head.
This is to show you the mentality of the Hamas fighters and some of the Gaza civilians. That was a woman who was treated in a Israeli hospital and her next action is to go and blow up the same hospital and doctors/nurses who treated her so she can make paradise
Gaza civilians can go to Israel to work, get treatment and come back home, Imagine an Israeli finding himself in Gaza and what these "innocent civilians" will do to him
When Gazans love their children and themselves more than they hate Israel there will be peace

You still havent told us what other non combat methods Ukraine or Israel should have used when they were attacked
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 8:04pm On Oct 01, 2025
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ObaIgwe1: 8:13pm On Oct 01, 2025
raumdeuter:
This is to show you the mentality of the Hamas fighters and some of the Gaza civilians. That was a woman who was treated in a Israeli hospital and her next action is to go and blow up the same hospital and doctors/nurses who treated her so she can make paradise

When Gazans love their children and themselves more than they hate Israel there will be peace
Show me any part of my posts where I remotely suggest that Israel should not continue to go after HAMAS. And can we reasonably conclude that all Palestinians are members of Hamas and all Palestinian women think and behave like the woman in you story?

You still havent told us what other non combat methods Ukraine or Israel should have used when they were attacked
You can not compare the combat war between nations (Russia and Ukraine) to a guerilla war against terrorists hiding in tunnels and among civilians. I have answered your question many times but you are not getting it. Let me put it this way, Israel has many enemies in Iran too right, and they have been getting at the bad guys in Iran without the Israelis army matching to Iran and laying siege against innocent children, women and other civilians. If you understand how Israel has been getting rid of the bad guys in Iran with minimum civilian causalities, then you will understand what I am asking Israel to do in Gaza.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 8:16pm On Oct 01, 2025

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 8:34pm On Oct 01, 2025
ObaIgwe1:
Show me any part of my posts where I remotely suggest that Israel should not continue to go after HAMAS. And can we reasonably conclude that all Palestinians are members of Hamas and all Palestinian women think and behave like the woman in you story?



You can not compare the combat war between nations (Russia and Ukraine) to a guerilla war against terrorists hiding in tunnels and among civilians. I have answered your question many times but you are not getting it. Let me put it this way, Israel has many enemies in Iran too right, and they have been getting at the bad guys in Iran without the Israelis army matching to Iran and laying siege against innocent children, women and other civilians. If you understand how Israel has been getting rid of the bad guys in Iran with minimum civilian causalities, then you will understand what I am asking Israel to do in Gaza.
Did Iran take Israelis hostage? Explain what non combat method and how the non combat method will release Israel hostages

Iran is a country and they have military formations and infrastructure that can be hit. Hamas on the other hand hides the weapon cache and missiles inside hospitals, schools and civilian houses

Where is the Hamas military location or army formations that Israel should attack instead
So explain to us how Israel is supposed to rescue their civilians kidnapped without combat when Hamas unlike Iran embed themselves inside civilians

You were the one campaigning against combat approach. So how will that approach of yours get their kidnapped citizens out of the houses of these innocent civilians they are kept
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