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sonmvayina:
i am Gods spirit experiencing life as sonmvayina
max is Gods spirit experiencing life as maximus
ken4christ is Gods spirit experiencing life as Kenneth. etc.
if Jesus was real, he would have been Gods spirit experiencing life as Jesus.

what is the faux?
why worship him? is that not idolatry? he died, just as we all will die, when our time is up too.

God is the totality of all the spirit(consciousness) in the universe. it is not a man or a human being.
we all is the totality of that spirit ( image and likeness) living within a physical body made from dust. that is the miracle if you ask me. Not magically turning water into wine.
i think we really need to educate ourselves and end this madness of worshipping a white dude as God and learn the true nature of our selves.,

Janosky:
No sir.
Jesus is archangel Michael, Martin Luther your reformist mentor knew that.
Jesus is the angel of the LORD Yahweh.

Jesus is the Arkhe (Greek746 & Greek 1078) "Beginning ,Origin of the creation by God.

Greek 747 Originator is NOT @ Revelation 3:14,Jesus is NOT originator...

Revelation 3:14 is NOT Acts 5:31,Hebrew 2:10.
Screenshot evidence.

Emusan, stop deceiving yourself.

Emusan:
No translation has that, lying liar.

Rev 3:14 Jesus is the SOURCE OF ALL CREATION.

If you get mind, provide the screenshot from your darling Biblehub and other sources as you always do




Firstborn never equates FIRST CREATED

I challenge you to provide the screenshot as well

Emusan:
So it's Moses that recorded that "In the BEGINNING God created the heavens and the earth" not that God inspired Moses to write that "In the BEGINNING God created the heavens and the Earth"

Genesis 1:1 is still very much alive in every version of the Bible and God who can't lie inspired Moses to write that, if anything was created before Heavens and the earth. God who can't would've inspired that.

Now turning the table around.

Are you saying God wasn't the one who inspired Moses to write that "In the BEGINNING God created the heavens and the earth"?

Emusan:
Can you imagine this broad day lie.

Just because NWT already gooff you want to change the narration.

Ko le work...




Good! Which means His Son is the Creator.

Or what will you call His Son?



I've told you several times that I don't have the evil mind to edit God's word like Watchtower did to support their doctrine.

In fact, Heb 1:2 is one of the Bible verses that proved Jesus to be the Creator because Jesus was before THE UNIVERSE. So, all creatures fall within the creation of the universe.

Gabrielshow24:
Wait, let's say we give you a benefit of a doubt🤔 that Jesus was created, how then did your god become an Eternal Father when his Son is apparently not Eternal🤕? Or don't you know that your Fatherhood is as old as your Son🤨?

Also, do you care to explain how your god, supposedly ’Love’, didn't have someone to love eternally? 🤨 Don't you think, you have made your god, a dependent being? What difference is this your god to Allah👀?

Do you also care to explain how God ’created’ before the existence of time? And if Jesus was ’created’ before time don't you think the word ’created’ is logically insufficient and unsuitable? It seems you don't have an handle on the exasperating farrago of absurdities you intentionally posit just to keep up this charade of a doctrine🤧.

Well, you can take a bold step and answer these questions or as usual, ’run away!’

Emusan:
Yes! Paul said that.



So answer my question, what did the Son do when God was creating the Universe?

Why are you dodging this question since?



You have your own Bible through Watchtower



That's why I showed you the meaning of arché

ORIGIN/SOURCE

Jesus is the ORIGIN/SOURCE of ALL CREATION.

Meaning He is the Creator. John 1:3



SOURCES/ORIGIN of Creation




So what was the son doing when God was creating the Universe?



Jesus Himself is the Wisdom of God.

Which your gods can never attain.

Answer my question if you get mind

Gabrielshow24:
Maybe you should have taken the rest of scripture into account before making such a response.

As long as we, the sons of God, live in Him(Jesus) having Eternal life then he is our Eternal Father or to be specific as Isaiah puts it, Everlasting Father! —This implies a beginning🤨 but it's doesn't have an end.

While you are desperately trying to apply/conflate ’Eternal’ to/with ’Everlasting’ but the two has slight differences which reveal your mistake.

Now once more, tell me how your god is an eternal Father? note: ’not an Everlasting Father’

gohf:
so who created time 🐒 😏

Gabrielshow24:
You tell me, genius? 🤨

You might want to think deeply for this one😅

gohf:
oh you think I am a genius wow 😲 😁

so you don't know who created time or to you time's self existing? 😏

gohf:
lol 🤣😹 this one here is arguing that eternal is not everlasting 😂

what does Paul say to such

2Tim.2.14 Remind [the people] of these facts and [solemnly] charge them in the presence of the Lord to avoid petty controversy over words, which does no good but upsets and undermines the faith of the hearers.

Petty, petty, arguing and quarrelling over words

1Tim.6.4 Anyone who teaches anything different is both conceited and ignorant. Such a person has an unhealthy desire to quibble over the meaning of words. This stirs up arguments ending in jealousy, fighting, slander, and evil suspicions.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Gabrielshow24:
Sarcasm🥱.

Kindly tell us who created time? Use your usual, ’cartoonist analogy’🤧

gohf:
if you want me to answer a question I asked you, why not humbly ask by telling us you do not know or tell us you kno

You can be honest abi

Gabrielshow24:
All these for asking why your god is not an ’Eternal Father’? 🤧

Appealing to scripture, to dismiss my question as ’argumentative’ is baseless. Likewise, I am following the scripture by testing all things🤷. Mind you, both of you have the same god 🤨. Definitely, the conclusion from the subject matter is that your god is not self sufficient. You serve a mutable god 😅. Thus, we don't serve the same god😊!

Finally, any ... person will know that ’everlasting’ and ’eternal’ are not ’fully’ the same. If my statement were wrong you would have provided a definition to show that they both were one and the same. In your bid to talk, you can't just help but to show forth your “flaws“🤨. How many times must I tell you along with your crew to think before posting? 😮‍💨

Pls, stop casting further aspersions on your educational background 🥱.

Gabrielshow24:
While you are desperately trying to apply/conflate ’Eternal’ to/with ’Everlasting’ but the two has slight differences which reveal your mistake.

gohf:
Now think about a comic artist, or a manga/manhua for those into asian sketched stories. Now if the artist who is the creator of those characters in sketched up world, decides to draw a character and name that character after himself or call it, his image having a power to erase or rule in his sketched up world.

The first question is, is this image, this character given such power and authority to erase, created? Yes it is, yes he/she, the character is created.

Second question, is that character the creator, the comic artist? The answer is No


The question then is, even though without a doubt (personally) Jesus is the image of God why do some call him God, even when the creator and author did not call him or tell others to call him God?

gohf:
this is what your educational background tells you👉


lol 🤣😹 this one here is arguing that eternal is not everlasting 😂

what does Paul say to such

2Tim.2.14 Remind [the people] of these facts and [solemnly] charge them in the presence of the Lord to avoid petty controversy over words, which does no good but upsets and undermines the faith of the hearers.

Petty, petty, arguing and quarrelling over words

1Tim.6.4 Anyone who teaches anything different is both conceited and ignorant. Such a person has an unhealthy desire to quibble over the meaning of words. This stirs up arguments ending in jealousy, fighting, slander, and evil suspicions.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

gohf:
lol so if to you misquoting rev3:14 Jesus is the source of all creation what then is Father God?

Rev.3.14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation.

I know you won't answer just like you avoided the question if firstborn means ruler then is God also a firstborn

gohf:
what was the word of God doing? The word of God was being used by God to create just as stated in the Bible.

gohf:
Repent from misleading others into error

Heb.1.2 but in these last days HE(GOD) has spoken to us by his Son, whom HE appointed heir of all things, and THROUGH whom HE(GOD) made the universe. (NIV)

Jesus said remove the log from your own eyes first

gohf:
Gabrielshow is feeling too big to either say I don't know or that God created time

He is likely cautious and afraid that he may have written something wrong, and he can't face his mistakes not humble enough to repent from them. His self importance is more important than the truth so he undermines others in hope to self evelate himself. I wonder to what end, because all this things go end for earth, we can't argue nor lie our way into eternal life finally

gohf:
this is a typical example of how you respond to simple questions

"Did Moses record that in the beginning God first created the heavens and the earth or did you read that the first thing God created was the heavens and the earth?"

Ken4Christ:
Jesus was not created. He is the Creator of all things.

Romans 11:35-36, what came through the Father?


John 1:3
"God created everything through him (Jesus)."
God created the Universe not his son, Heb 1:2.

Thank God this people can't write their own Bible.

Ken4Christ:
Jesus was not created. He is the Creator of all things.

Ken4Christ:
Below are Scripture Evidence that Jesus is worshipped. Refute each of them with reasonable arguments that they weren't worships otherwise remain silent forever on this issue:

During Jesus' Earthly Ministry

1. The Wise Men Worship Jesus – Matthew 2:11
"And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him..."

2. A Leper Worships Jesus – Matthew 8:2
"And behold, a leper came and worshiped Him, saying, ‘Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.’"

3. A Ruler Worships Jesus – Matthew 9:18
"While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, ‘My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live.’"

4. The Disciples Worship Jesus After Walking on Water – Matthew 14:33
"Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, ‘Truly You are the Son of God.’"

5. The Canaanite Woman Worships Jesus – Matthew 15:25
"Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, ‘Lord, help me!’"

6. The Disciples Worship Jesus After His Resurrection – Matthew 28:9

"And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, ‘Rejoice!’ So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him."

7. The Eleven Disciples Worship Jesus – Matthew 28:17
"When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted."

8. The Blind Man Worships Jesus – John 9:38
"Then he said, ‘Lord, I believe!’ And he worshiped Him."

9. Thomas Worships the Resurrected Jesus – John 20:28

"And Thomas answered and said to Him, ‘My Lord and my God!’"

In the Book of Revelation

1. Angelic Worship of the Lamb – Revelation 5:11-12

"Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice:
‘Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength and honor and glory and blessing!’"

2. All Creation Worships the Lamb – Revelation 5:13-14

"And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:
‘Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and ever!’"

3. The Redeemed Worship the Lamb – Revelation 7:9-10

"After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, ‘Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!’"

sonmvayina:
That is what I am saying that you did not get. Jesus is a roman god/creation. He has got nothing to do with the Jews or their God. They happen to be aorshipping the creator of heaven and earth, who is not a man or human being(Numbers 23:19).
All your scripture you quoted are from the Christian scriptures. That means it is a Christian ideology. It got nothing to do with the God of the Jews. Who happens to be the creator of heaven and earth.

gohf:
if Jesus is THE creator of all things, then who is Father God?

Ken4Christ:
The Jews are currently suffering from partial blindness. You are also blind. But one day, the blindness would be taken away and they will all cry for the Lord Jesus to come and save them.

sonmvayina:
They won't try it. If they do, God will punish them. Christianity is built on two pillers that God hates..human sacrifice and idolatry.
So any right thinking man will do well to avoid it.