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So no poor man go enter heaven. Bags of idiots parading as God sent Pastors

Mrexcell:
If you are really a born again spirit filled Christian and you remain very poor for a very long period of time then it means you just deliberately want to be poor. Once you received christ and the holy spirit into ur life you will definitely start receiving divine ideas and directions on how to be rich and contribute ur own bit to the growth of the church.

So you mean Christ came to make you rich financially?

If a cripple receives christ and is saved, the only way to know he or she is not still in sin is to be financially rich right?

He spoilt good message with bad presentation Church should empower the poor . There will always be poor people in the world but the church should empower the members to reduce the number . There is no correlation between povery and salvation they are diffent you can be saved and be poor yet and also you can be rich and be saved

You guys should stop promoting these criminals in suit. I hate seeing threads about them.

erniok:
I agree that religion is a cancer and that's what christianity offers, the cure.

The early Christians had everything in one accord. They looked out for each other's welfare. No one was teaching prosperity, they taught christ.

Christianity is the first religion. Before Christianity all cultures minded their own business an there was nobody saying there are wrong ways to worship God.

The world needs to expunge religion and reset human culture

You are totally getting it wrong

He’s talking about those who don’t have any source of income. Those who just depend on the provisions made by God, praying without working

lawani:
It is not determined by poverty. Many people are poor but don't commit crimes. They manage. What is important is to have a source of income as a human being and many who don't have do not commit crimes. They just beg. Being rich can't improve your character

PerfectStranger:
Denying Christ is a different case here,he's talking about sin in general. Daily sinful temptations and all that. Yours is a different context.

what is the connection between poverty and sin?

This guy is on the news again. Peller spoke about him recently and the other lady he gave a Dior bag.

I want to assume he has lost his case with the UK home office and will be deported soon.

Now he's just looking for a soft landing here in Nigeria.

Watch out.

PerfectStranger:
He's right and being realistic. Most people give their lives to Christ on Sunday and take it back the following week.

Poverty is like a brain disease, if not, tell me how a sane person even after these years of suffering and hardship will still collect few cups of rice with #5k from politicians during election. Please y'all read down!

So are the rich politicians also sinners?

omoredia:
I agree. Especially as a nigerian u are in sin or still battling the consequences of sin

So the rich are not in sin and batting the consequences of sin?

lexy2014:
what is the connection between poverty and sin?

When Jesus was hungry,he was tempted by satan to sin. He was even promised the whole world if he could bow.

DolapoX:
You are totally getting it wrong

He’s talking about those who don’t have any source of income. Those who just depend on the provisions made by God, praying without working

what of those that have a source of income and are still sinning?

how come Lazarus was poor and made it to Abraham's bossom?

Meedon:
Religion is the cause of poverty
Invention of religion is the worst thing that ever happened to earth, because all I see is hypocrisy.
You milk the poor dry and you have the ordacity to rob it in this face.
No wonder there are lots of churches but we are still wallowing in poverty, useless hate, tribalism, corruption, eye service, Reno oMockery, Tinubulism.

The world would continue to be in chaos until religion is eradicated and people start helping one another. It is because of prosperity being preached in religion that make people to do scam, engage in corruption to amass wealth and be seen as being blessed by doG.

So people who do not practice any religion do not do the things that you've stated above?

I pray God help all of us to know,understand and have personal experience of genuine salvation. When you have personal experience of genuine salvation ,you will know the place and importance of righteousness and holiness in your walk with God and His wish for both your spiritual and physical well being.

PerfectStranger:
When Jesus was hungry,he was tempted by satan to sin. He was even promised the whole world if he could bow.

that is not what I asked you...what is the connection between poverty and sin?

does devil not tempt people who are not hungry?

DolapoX:
You are totally getting it wrong

He’s talking about those who don’t have any source of income. Those who just depend on the provisions made by God, praying without working

If you don't have any source of income you can beg and if you perchance steal what to eat do you really think that should be considered a sin?
No human being will die of hunger where other human beings exist even if there is no government. Only that government makes it easier.
On the overall poverty does not reduce your character and that is what should be emphasized. There are many criminal rich folks and having no income does not automatically mean you will become a criminal

Mrexcell:
If you are really a born again spirit filled Christian and you remain very poor for a very long period of time then it means you just deliberately want to be poor. Once you received christ and the holy spirit into ur life you will definitely start receiving divine ideas and directions on how to be rich and contribute ur own bit to the growth of the church.

So Christians in Nigeria who are poor are not true Christians?

lexy2014:
that is not what I asked you...what is the connection between poverty and sin?

does devil not tempt people who are not hungry?

Learn to understand before commenting. He wasn't talking about the rich,he was talking about the poor that its easily to go back to sin as a poor man.

PerfectStranger:
Learn to understand before commenting. He wasn't talking about the rich,he was talking about the poor that its easily to go back to sin as a poor man.

since you have learnt to understand, then you should have no problems answering my questions.

PerfectStranger:
When Jesus was hungry,he was tempted by satan to sin. He was even promised the whole world if he could bow.

that is not what I asked you...what is the connection between poverty and sin?

does devil not tempt people who are not hungry?

it's vice Versa.

DolapoX:
You are totally getting it wrong

He’s talking about those who don’t have any source of income. Those who just depend on the provisions made by God, praying without working

are you saying that those who have source of income do not steal?

How does he get his money if not from sin.
Does he have an industry, is he a CEO, is their any form of industry if not cheating people to squeeze out there money.

Wealth is more dangerous. It opens you up to many iniquities.

I wonder if the pastors that preach this type of message and those who believe and follow them really read the Bible.

All occult leaders claiming pastors. What do they understand by salvation? Half education is really destroying lives than even poverty.

Jesus did a whole lot than what this pervert is saying.

Mynd44:
The Bible never said this because even if you are rich, you can still sin.

The Bible said "If any man sin, we have an Advocate before God". We are in a world of sin and we are humans, we will sin. Whether rich or poor, it doesn't Matter

Yes rich or poor do sin, but there's a certain wealth or well doing one maybe in and you will avoid some sins and crimes

"And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."
— Matthew 19:24 (KJV)

I just wonder this new age pastors saying rubbish,
If he later realize his mistake he will come and say thats people misinterpret his teaching

the definition of good and bad reside in every man conscience to decide

Procashtips:
So you mean Christ came to make you rich financially?

If a cripple receives christ and is saved, the only way to know he or she is not still in sin is to be financially rich right?

You not getting my point I never said been poor is a sin in any way that type of teaching is totally wrong because lazarus died as a very poor man and still made it to heaven. What am saying is why remain poor on earth when you are serving the same God that created everything including riches is it not because of ur ignorance and lack of faith?

The most abused word in religion is "pastor"

Many of these so called pastors today do not know Christ. They do not preach the gospel of Jesus Christ but they preach another gospel like the one Tobi is preaching here.

The bible says let them be "accursed"

Jesus himself when he took on flesh lived as a poor man. The bible says he was not an handsome man either. His parents sacrificed two pigeons at his dedication in the temple because they could not afford a lamb. This provision was only made for poor people in the law of Moses.

Jesus lived a simple life raised by poor parents. He knows poverty, he knows suffering. Yet he is saving both rich and poor so that in Christ there is neither Jew, nor gentile, rich or poor, men or women, black or white but sinners turned to saints

Apcnewrecruit:
These men keeps bringing shame and ridicule to Christianity. Lazarus was a poor man and not a sinner. He was Jesus friend. So wetin this one dey misyarn

APC man still learn how to comprehend a little. Both poor and rich people can sin. But poverty makes one more vulnerable. It's just a little logically and sensible conclusion.
For example most girls into hookup what push them into it, poverty or wealth. You think if their parents could provide for them they would have gone that path. Poverty makes people do many wrong thing so also riches makes people do so many wrong thing. But I will prefer to be rich to guide my choices of life.

Workers of iniquity, the bible has already made it clear that its easy for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a richman to enter into the kingdom of God. Contempt and detachement from earthly affection can't be totally categorised as poverty. There are poor people who can afford their basic needs and are comfortable with out falling into temptation of sin.