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Truthseeker10:
So Christians in Nigeria who are poor are not true Christians?

I never said that but why serve the God that created everything including riches and still remain very poor and miserable? How can you attract and convert unbelievers with such a miserable poor life and even
contribute financially in the spread of the gospel of christ?

Procashtips:
So you mean Christ came to make you rich financially?

If a cripple receives christ and is saved, the only way to know he or she is not still in sin is to be financially rich right?

Whether rich or poor your salvation is secured. But why should you be poor. Do you know the meaning of the Gospel. It's called good news. That means if a poor man received the gospel, the good news to that poor man that Christ can change your current state. Do you think Abraham blessing that people just sing is just a song. That is the possession of Christians. Jesus said that the Spirit of God is upon me for he has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor. So if I may ask, what kind of gospel should you preach to the poor?
I will leave you with just one scripture.

2 Corinthians 8:9 (KJV) For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty we might be rich.

‭2 Corinthians 8:9 NIV‬
[9] For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.

https://bible.com/bible/111/2co.8.9.NIV

Mrexcell:
You not getting my point I never said been poor is a sin in any way that type of teaching is totally wrong because lazarus died as a very poor man and still made it to heaven. What am saying is why remain poor on earth when you are serving the same God that created everything including riches is it not because of ur ignorance and lack of faith?

In any country if you have not established something that is employing many people then you are relatively poor no matter your income. All nations are trying to manage their economies for their poor people to be able to afford more. Why blame anybody for being poor?

Truthseeker10:
So Christians in Nigeria who are poor are not true Christians?

Whether rich or poor your salvation is secured. But why should you be poor. Do you know the meaning of the Gospel. It's called good news. That means if a poor man received the gospel, the good news to that poor man that Christ can change your current state. Do you think Abraham blessing that people just sing is just a song. That is the possession of Christians. Jesus said that the Spirit of God is upon me for he has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor. So if I may ask, what kind of gospel should you preach to the poor?
I will leave you with just one scripture.

2 Corinthians 8:9 (KJV) For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty we might be rich.

‭2 Corinthians 8:9 NIV‬
[9] For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.

The centre of Christ message and life which is the gospel is love and salvation ( Bringing us to God ) . A knowledge that transforms us more and more like our creator .

Mrexcell:
If you are really a born again spirit filled Christian and you remain very poor for a very long period of time then it means you just deliberately want to be poor. Once you received christ and the holy spirit into ur life you will definitely start receiving divine ideas and directions on how to be rich and contribute ur own bit to the growth of the church.

This is too high for some to receive. They think poverty is normal not knowing that one of the meaning of the word that was translated to salvation means riches or wealth.


2 Corinthians 8:9 (KJV) For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty we might be rich.

‭2 Corinthians 8:9 NIV‬
[9] For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.

jaxxy:
U can be rich and still sin and poor and still sin. sin isn't stopped by financial status.

Rich and poor sin. But poverty makes one more vulnerable. It's simple as that.

Mynd44:
The Bible never said this because even if you are rich, you can still sin.

The Bible said "If any man sin, we have an Advocate before God". We are in a world of sin and we are humans, we will sin. Whether rich or poor, it doesn't Matter

Don't mind these false teachers at the end times

Most of these Pastors don't read and comprehend the bible very well.
What about Lazarus and the rich man. The former was without sin yet very poor while the later lived in sin yet very rich.
This man should go and study the bible and stop feeding his congregation with wrong information.

Who be this one again ? All these yeye pastors with scammer traits . Noone is more in tune with spirituality than poor people . The rich are a lot closer to sin than poor people . Have money to fund your vices and know why Jesus said it is easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven .

Evil men parading themselves as pastors.

Blind follower.

ogascomax:
Rich and poor sin. But poverty makes one more vulnerable. It's simple as that.

**Dusts feet and exits**

Anyone who follows this man after reading the Word of GOD only has themselves to blame.

The Man of G is wrong. One of the most memorable teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ is it will be easier for a camel to pass through the eyes of a needle than for a ¨rich man¨ to enter the Kingdom of God (Mt. 19:24)

Secondly, one cannot say that he is saved or that he has gained salvation until he has finished his race for the same salvation. It is like a runner in a 100 meters dash claiming to have got the gold medal when the race is at 20 meters (Mt 24:13)

Third, God`s son, Jesus Christ lived a simple life while on earth even when his father owned everything. Having humbled himself unto death, God rewarded and exalted him to a position higher than anyone else except of course God who exalted him (Phillipians 2:9)

Paul could therefore warn that Christians should lead a life of contentment, since we brought nothing into the world and will carry nothing out of it. But for those determined to be rich, such ones will plunge themselves into an unnecessary destruction and ruin (1 Timothy 6:6-10)

Win12345:
Blind follower.

Is is lack of education, low IQ, ignorance that is some of you your challenges. Can poverty makes one vulnerable into doing some certain wrongful acts that having money can prevent you from?
Just answer that question.

Can this pastor beat his chest and say he does not sin? Being rich is not because you don't sin. How about Yahoo guys who make so much money? Are they not sinners? How about some innocent people whom you know inside out for their impeccable innocence, but are still poor?

Someone should tell this pastor that God can choose to bless whosoever with riches. It has nothing to do with your righteousness.

ogascomax:
Whether rich or poor your salvation is secured. But why should you be poor. Do you know the meaning of the Gospel. It's called good news. That means if a poor man received the gospel, the good news to that poor man that Christ can change your current state. Do you think Abraham blessing that people just sing is just a song. That is the possession of Christians. Jesus said that the Spirit of God is upon me for he has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor. So if I may ask, what kind of gospel should you preach to the poor?
I will leave you with just one scripture.

2 Corinthians 8:9 (KJV) For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty we might be rich.

‭2 Corinthians 8:9 NIV‬
[9] For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.

So the scripture up there confirms that Jesus was poor on earth? If yes, are you saying that Jesus was poor while his disciples were rich on earth?

Mrexcell:
If you are really a born again spirit filled Christian and you remain very poor for a very long period of time then it means you just deliberately want to be poor. Once you received christ and the holy spirit into ur life you will definitely start receiving divine ideas and directions on how to be rich and contribute ur own bit to the growth of the church.

This is a lie. Recieving Christ and being Spirit filled is not a guarantee for riches, stop peddling doctrines of devils.

Does Tobi look like a man of God to any discerning person? 😆 🤣 😂

ruffhandu:
He knows his target audience. He knows the group he rolls with

You've said it all.

So it's the rich who don't sin?

How this man's church is not empty is beyond me. People will still listen to him talk this rubbish.

So Jesus who said it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven didn't know what He was saying again, abi?

Issokay, o.

Arostar2023:
What he said is opposite of what the Bible said. As a matter of fact, Jesus said that it is "easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God", Mathew 19:23. In other words, wealth can be an obstacle... The rich are exposed to more temptations than the poor. Go and ask. Btw, true richness comes from a life focused on God, with priorities set on eternal things not on bank accounts. You can have billions in your bank account and still be considered wretched by heaven. It dey Bible too.

It's so sad that people don't even remember basic scriptures and word of Christ about riches.

Jesus even used a parable, of Rich man and Lazarus, Jesus in another place said We should built our treasure in heaven, Jesus in another place said where a man's treasure is that's where his heart will be.
Jesus even told a rich man to sell all his possession and follow him
Jesus also said to the church of Laodociea that they think they are rich because they have no lack, they have money and all but they are actually poor, naked and dead.....
Jesus also said it's easy for a Carmel to enter heaven than a rich man...

Yet Christians of nowadays can't make a reference to counter these fake pastors who are wolves and serpents. We are truly in endtime.
Any Christian whose focuse is more on becoming rich than serving God and maintaining righteousness can never enter heaven... And 95-99% of them are fake Christians.

lawani:
Christianity is the first religion. Before Christianity all cultures minded their own business an there was nobody saying there are wrong ways to worship God.

The world needs to expunge religion and reset human culture

Correction, christianity is not religion although there are elements of religion in it.

ogascomax:
Whether rich or poor your salvation is secured. But why should you be poor. Do you know the meaning of the Gospel. It's called good news. That means if a poor man received the gospel, the good news to that poor man that Christ can change your current state. Do you think Abraham blessing that people just sing is just a song. That is the possession of Christians. Jesus said that the Spirit of God is upon me for he has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor. So if I may ask, what kind of gospel should you preach to the poor?
I will leave you with just one scripture.

2 Corinthians 8:9 (KJV) For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty we might be rich.

‭2 Corinthians 8:9 NIV‬
[9] For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.

https://bible.com/bible/111/2co.8.9.NIV

Christ did not become poor for you to have the riches of this world, this is a satanic gospel preached in these dens of thieves.

2 corithins 8:9 is not talking of worldly riches.

You don't even know the gospel, it is such a shame.

Truthseeker10:
So the scripture up there confirms that Jesus was poor on earth? If yes, are you saying that Jesus was poor while his disciples were rich on earth?

What that means is that the gospel has the capacity to make one rich if you can diligently do the things that can make you rich according to the gospel. Seek him first, the kingdom of God and every other things shall be added unto you.
Let me drop some verses for you.

Ephesians 3:8
[8]To me, though I am the very least of all the saints (God's consecrated people), this grace (favor, privilege) was granted and graciously entrusted: to proclaim to the Gentiles the unending (boundless, fathomless, incalculable, and exhaustless) riches of Christ [wealth which no human being could have searched out],

1. “BLESSED be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has BLESSED us [past tense!]with every spiritual BLESSING in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love.” –Ephesians 1:3-4 (NKJV)

2. “Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, ‘Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree’), that THE BLESSING of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.” –Galatians 3:13-14 (NKJV)

. “Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise[of THE BLESSING] might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.” –Romans 4:16 (NKJV)

ogascomax:
What that means is that the gospel has the capacity to make one rich if you can diligently do the things that can make you rich according to the gospel. Seek him first, the kingdom of God and every other things shall be added unto you.
Let me drop some verses for you.

Ephesians 3:8
[8]To me, though I am the very least of all the saints (God's consecrated people), this grace (favor, privilege) was granted and graciously entrusted: to proclaim to the Gentiles the unending (boundless, fathomless, incalculable, and exhaustless) riches of Christ [wealth which no human being could have searched out],

1. “BLESSED be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has BLESSED us [past tense!]with every spiritual BLESSING in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love.” –Ephesians 1:3-4 (NKJV)

2. “Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, ‘Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree’), that THE BLESSING of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.” –Galatians 3:13-14 (NKJV)

. “Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise[of THE BLESSING] might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.” –Romans 4:16 (NKJV)

So you are confirming that when Jesus was on earth, he was poor and his disciples were rich according to 2 Corinthians 8:9?

The scary thing, is that many people think they are saved but are only being deceived.
The gospel is not God giving you worldly riches.

What a spiritually bankrupt churches we have now. Churches that are run by the occult.

The riches of God in Christ is not the riches of this present world ruled by wickedness.

[quote sourw of c=erniok post=137042847]Cor4 ton, y bristianity is not religion although there are elements of religion in it.[/quote]There are only two religions and that is Christianity and Islam. Others are traditional spiritualities that are as primordial to humanity as language. Even Islam is not more than a form of Christianity. Mohammed believed Jesus was a prophet and he believed in the virgin birth. He was therefore initially converted by Christians. Christianity is the source of the problem

Funny Churchians claiming religious titles!🙂
Is Jesus who doesn't have anything to call his own rich? Matthew 8:20
Who did God's will better than God's only begotten Son? Matthew 17:5

lawani:
There are only two religions and that is Christianity and Islam.

NO!
There are two religions:
Truth and Falsehood.
So it's either you belong to truth which gathered all faithful people throughout the earth under one umbrella as brothers and sisters or you belong to falsehood that promotes selfishness!🙂

Truthseeker10:
So you are confirming that when Jesus was on earth, he was poor and his disciples were rich according to 2 Corinthians 8:9?

Bro understand the message being rich or poor is up to you. The most important thing is that the gospel has the potential to make someone rich if you are ready to work in that dimensions. The Apostles were not relatively rich because they do not see the need for that because of the day they were. At some point then poverty was like a cover because the authority of those times did not see the church like threat so looking at the history of the church some certain groups were crushed by the government of that time but they left the church alone since they posed no threat.
The point here is that to be rich is up to individuals.